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PIgnapping from home streets

I logged in today to find one of my street piggies missing, and I know he didn't starve. I put the piggies out there as a resource for other players to pet and nibble for meat, and because a street feels a little sad and empty without a couple piggies. Having a piggy taken feels like theft to me.

Does anyone else think pig bait should be disabled on player streets? I know we can put our piggies in the back but players help each other keep street piggies happy and fed and I like to offer players a chance to get a little milk, meat, and grain on my street.

Posted 97 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Huh yeah. Youth potions are disabled. Pignapping's not that different.

    I do admit, however,
    Posted 97 days ago by Sororia Rose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What if the piggy is neglected and starving? I don't hesitate to pet, nibble, and feed home street piggies when I'm out traveling. But I also don't feel bad about rescuing piggies who have been abandoned by missing owners. I have only done this twice, and only after investigating enough to make sure the piggy faces a better life elsewhere (in other words, it will just end up dying if I leave it). After piggynapping said pigs, I put them on home streets whose owners/friends are active enough to keep the piggies alive and useful. I think we can all agree dead piggies aren't a good resource (not in the long run).

    I'm sorry your piggies were taken. I have no doubt they were healthy and well taken care of. Idon't know what solution there is to preventing such theft, but I don't think disabling piggy bait on home streets is the answer.
    Posted 97 days ago by Pengwen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah, I've pignapped (back when youth potions worked) when I found pigs starving and a look at the profile page of the homeowner showed no activity for like a month. But then I've left a note saying "Hey, your pigs were starving so I grabbed them, if you start playing again, contact me and I'll bring you new pigs."

    I really feel bad for the pigs; I knwo they're not real, but it bugs me when they're starving somewhere. So disabling it would kinda stink for that, but I do think that stealing someone's healthy, cared-for pigs is mean :( I'm sorry about your pig.
    Posted 97 days ago by Aliera Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If we're attaching emotions to pigs, why would the "this pig is starving" emotion trump the "I hatched this pig and put him in my street and named him and he's my piggy" emotion?  I guess maybe the latter emotion has an expiration date?

    I'm not trying to sound mean and I'm sorry if I do... I've never really been into piggy rescuing and I admit I don't really understand a lot of the motivations.
    Posted 97 days ago by diaveborn ♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I consider it a waste of a resource, especially when there is every indication the piggy will die. If you want to have an emotion-free view of it, there it is. I actually don't have a strong emotional attachment to video game animals but it benefits no one when piggies (a useful resource) die on abandoned home streets.
    Posted 97 days ago by Pengwen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Having had two piggies taken off my street -- they are not neglected, I can assure you -- I, too, wish they could be "locked down" so that they cannot be taken. I always feed hungry piggies and often go back repeatedly to make sure they are being fed. I even place feeders on strangers' streets.
    Posted 97 days ago by Mollie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I still don't really get it.  If they have gardens do you make sure that you visit their street to plant and harvest and replant and such so that the resource isn't sitting around unused?  Would you feel bad that I put a couple firefly hives on my street but don't always have jars with me, so a lot of times the hives just sit there looking pretty?
    Posted 97 days ago by diaveborn ♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lucille, how do you know the piggy didn't starve? I'm not saying you're wrong about it having been taken, but I'm curious as to how you can be sure. Starving or not, piggies do have a limited lifespan (longer than butterflies, shorter than chickens), and the evidence doesn't often stick around long. The plops are often picked up by visitors to the street, and meat can either go the same way or be eaten by the other pigs before anyone notices.
    Posted 97 days ago by karibean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Karibean, I put three piggies out September 1 when I returned to the game after a couple months' break. Two feeders for the three piggies have been topped off daily and this morning I logged in to find Porthos gone. There is no explanation other than a bait-and-snatch. I'm on a resource route plus visiting stones so a fair number of players stop by my street.
    Posted 97 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The difference, diaveborne, is that piggies die if not fed. As far as I know gardens do not vanish if they are unused, nor do firefly hives. Piggies are a finite resource that can't be restored if they die, and they also don't die from use/harvesting like gardens or hives do.
    Posted 97 days ago by Pengwen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't really get it either. If the principle that many Glitchen are following is to not steal anything from home streets unless the owner says it's fine, why are those same Glitchen going around and taking piggies from other people's home streets? And the homeowners didn't say anything about it?
    Posted 97 days ago by AwesomeCardinal2000 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Okay, I see how pigs would be different from other cultivated resources. Thanks for the explanation.
    Posted 97 days ago by diaveborn ♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Is the "Hogtie some Hoggies" quest still in the game? I assumed my piggy went to a new player who didn't know better.  Now that invites are going out, three pigs for each new player is going to be lead to a LOT of pignappings if bait is enabled on home streets.

    Also, there are plenty of Glitchen deliberately not following any consensus who might find it amusing to irk someone by taking a piggy.
    Posted 97 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's a public street. If you have piggies on it, you are providing a public resource. If you don't want your piggies to be vulnerable to pignapping, then the backyard is the place for them.
    Posted 97 days ago by Pascale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I noticed yesterday that I have twice as many pigs and chickens in my street as before (which I found somewhat bemusing). So maybe all your pigs just decided to move house without telling anyone?
    Posted 97 days ago by shelleycat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Pascale RHK devices and Animal Youth Potions don't work the same as on public streets. Why should pig bait?
    Posted 97 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • if someone wants  a pig of their own, go to groddle forest or groddle meadow and just grab one

    taking a pig off someones street is a bit silly, go out in the world of Ur and grab all the pigs you want and not a single person will notice or care.
    Posted 97 days ago by ☣ elf ☣ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Today I have another pig and five more chickens. Maybe they're breeding on their own?

    Clearly having animals taken away isn't the only thing going on in the game, but I guess people don't bother to make posts about new ones appearing since it's not a problem,
    Posted 97 days ago by shelleycat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I spend a great deal of time caring for my piggies.  It's tiresome but I love these piggies almost as much I have loved real pets so the pigs are spoiled.  When I finish caring for my own pigs I often tour other Home streets and care for those piggies too.  For some silly reason it breaks my heart to lose a pig either through starvation of theft.  Strange but true.
    Posted 97 days ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • RHK devices and Animal Youth Potions may not work the same, but as long as pig bait does, that means pignapping is free game. I agree it's rude and doesn't make much sense if other similar things are disabled, though. I'd vote for it to be disabled, if only for consistency's sake.

    At least making new piggy eggs isn't terribly difficult unless you're a very new player.
    Posted 96 days ago by Makai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For about 200c you too can hogtie any 6 piggies you wish.
    Posted 96 days ago by Sturminator IX Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you would like your piggies replaced, there are plenty of people still working on pig-hatching badges who would be happy to do it.
    Posted 96 days ago by Niqster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @shelleycat I know I've definitely left surprise livestock on people's home streets in the course of working on my animal-raising badges -- maybe you got visited by someone else with the same habit?
    Posted 96 days ago by Tathak Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I had a pig taken from my home street, not too long ago.  Couple of weeks, maybe.  While I was sad about his loss, I took it as part of the fact that my front street is public, and people can walk up and take things.  I just went inside, made a new piggy egg, and replaced him.  I know I have exactly 11 piggies, they're a matched set named for the characters from the Avengers movie.  Yes, I'm a geek and proud of it.  >.>

    Hope whereever my old piggy Clint is, he's having a great life.
    Posted 96 days ago by ElleKitty Subscriber! | Permalink
  • One of my original home street rescue pigs was taken today, I'd known them for almost a year but now they're far away, I hope you prosper Edna Monsoon!
    Posted 96 days ago by Benzyl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Someone stole one of my piggies as well and it makes me both very angry and sad. Having piggies in my street was very new (from the day before) and they are all we feed and petted. Seymour if you can hear me please come back home I miss you T___T

    Have you seen Seymour : www.glitch.com/snaps/PUVLPC...
    Posted 96 days ago by Cheek fille Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Somebody stole my first Piggy today. Where are you, Mr. Miyagi?
    Posted 96 days ago by The Docta Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Have you found that even more of your pigs have been stolen?  By drawing attention to how upset you are over losing your pig, you might actually be encouraging griefers to steal even more of your pigs.
    Posted 95 days ago by Wet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ElleKitty, are you sure Pig!Fury hasn't sent Pig!Clint on a mission....? Also, make sure you don't store hooch near Pig!Tony, or it will be gone fast! ;-)
    Posted 95 days ago by Alyx Sands Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I borrowed Porthos for a little bit.  Hope you don't mind.  He's safely on your street again now.

    http://www.glitch.com/snaps/PUVI3AFQN7G2JBJ/78033-36ab5b26ad/

    P.S. Apparently Porthos thinks your tower is rubbish.
    Posted 95 days ago by Wet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A skill or item that might allow you to 'track' specific objects might be very appreciated by many players.

    Perhaps a two item system, a powder that got sprinkled on both an empty sheet of paper and on a specific object. For a certain amount of time (a day? A week?) That paper could be used, once only, to name the location of that object (street, tower, home, location in Ur). This has many possible applications, both in 'tracking down stolen livestock' (which has questionable value, since we're supposed to all get along), but also could be used for certain player ran games.... I could hide an object somewhere, then leave and announce a contest to find it.... then verify through use of the paper who the actual winner was and such....

    Dunno, just thought of the idea while reading the topic, and I do know many of us would love to know 'what happened next' to many of the 'things' in our play that move on.
    Posted 95 days ago by Ladyimp Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Wet Hilarious!!!

    I know posting here attracts attention but I wanted to open a dialog. And it's not as if I can't afford to replace my pigs if people want to be tools. Remember all the people irked about wild piggies disappearing when the game launched the first time? They got kidnapped for quests, tossed into shrines, and generally vanished surprisingly fast given that you can only bait one pig per street. We are poised to have that happening on home streets now as new players get the bait quest. I had no problems with piggies disappearing before the invites started going out.

    Given the number of people who have posted that piggies feel like pets since we name them, feed them, and care for them, I think there is reasonable justification to ask TS to disable pig bait on home streets. The only counter-argument is saving starving pigs, and given the number of grumpy, starving piggies I ran across both on home streets and in the wild last night, I don't see evidence that piggy rescue is particularly popular or common.
    Posted 95 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Aww, thanks for the extra two piggies!  The three Pigsketeers have been joined by d'Argatnan and servants since I last counted piggy tails.
    Posted 95 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Piggies are a finite resource that can't be restored if they die, and they also don't die from use/harvesting like gardens or hives do." 

    There's no limit to the number of pigs which can be created, and they do die after a certain number of nibbles.

    It's strange that they haven't disabled bait on home streets yet, but in the mean time, it's probably best to keep pigs in yards, rather than on streets, if you're an active player and concerned about theft.
    Posted 95 days ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • o.O
    *hides*
    Posted 95 days ago by OMG BACON!! Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, it should be! 
    Had one of my piggies nabbed.There had only been one visitor to my street so I went and nabbed her back.
    Posted 95 days ago by Thelonius None Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Be careful about retaliation... last night my butler announced visitors to me as they arrived, but when I asked him for a list of visitors later on, he left out one of my friends.
    Posted 94 days ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've never put any piggies on my home street, but someone else once generously added about a dozen of them. I take care of them (piggy stick by a tree, pet & nibble regularly), but if I came home one day to find them all stolen, I wouldn't be sad, because I never made the investment in the first place. It's a public street. Plus, I have a couple hundred piggy eggs collecting dust in an SDB that I could replace them with.

    Edit: This is not an invitation to come to my yard and steal my piggies, mind you.
    Posted 94 days ago by dm Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Can I put a request in that people stop *adding* pigs and chickens to my street please?
    I have no butterflies at the moment, but apparently someone thinks I need more pigs. Will not be surprised the day I log in and the street is just pink from piggy overload lol :D
    Thank you to the person responsible. It's very sweet. It's just a pita to try and keep a happy level when someone is gifting livestock in addition to my existing critter crew ;)
    Posted 94 days ago by xombiekitty Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I doubt if they will ever disable bait on home streets.  And they shouldn't.  If you have a piggy that is an irreplaceable 'pet' put it in your yard.  I assume the public street hogtying limit applies to home streets.  Isn't there more than a glitch-week of timeout we have to wait we can hogtie again the same public street? (which is what Home Streets are)  That limit should keep individuals from 'clearing out' other players' home streets.  I hope that limit is in place and hasn't been overlooked by the devs.
    Posted 94 days ago by Feldspar Gravity Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm generally in favor of pig bait not working on people's streets, although...

    Some time ago I gave two piggies to a new player on his street. Being pretty new myself, I didn't realize that piggies had to be fed (because it appeared that the ones on public streets were surviving without eating, I assumed that you only needed feeders for them if you were using meat collectors). This new person had no trees on his street, and when I dropped by again, the piggies were starving. I dropped by every day to feed them by hand, but the player never showed up again, so I kidnapped them, put them on my street, and left a note saying I'd return them and help put trees in when he got back. He's never been around since.

    If pig bait were disabled I'd still be dropping by to feed those piggies and feeling absolutely terrible about installing them there in the first place. On the whole, I'd be happier if we had better information about what goes on in our streets, so that we could block or chase down the people who act like jerks, than if certain activities were simply barred.
    Posted 94 days ago by Pupusas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I find it interesting that common consensus is that pigs die after a certain amount of nibbling, since 14 of the 15 pigs on my street have been there almost since the iMG (and new housing) changeover. (I added one recently that we pignapped from someone who hadn't logged in in over a month, once I left them a note saying I would get them a new pig if they came back. The rest of their pigs had died.)

    I have four meat collectors on my street. My pigs survive on trees alone. I would think after months and months, my pigs should be dying, but they aren't. (not that I'm complaining)
    Posted 93 days ago by Aliera Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If pig bait were disabled I'd still be dropping by to feed those piggies and feeling absolutely terrible about installing them there in the first place. 

    It's OK. They're not actually pigs
    Posted 93 days ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Shhexy corin, we know they aren't actually pigs. Really. We're sentimental, not insane. ;)
    Posted 93 days ago by Aliera Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Are you sure?
    Posted 93 days ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A good place  for pigs is the attic.  It's an otherwise underused part of your real estate, and you can put feeders & collectors elsewhere in the house and they still work.   At normal zoom levels the attic isn't visible unless you stand on something, so the pigs are nicely out of sight.   That's a plus to me because I don't care for them that much - I just want the meat. 
    Posted 93 days ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I doubt if they will ever disable bait on home streets. And they shouldn't. If you have a piggy that is an irreplaceable 'pet' put it in your yard.

    I'm not sure they "shouldn't" - there's been a lot of stuff that does "protect" the owner's stuff in the front yard.  Yes, it's a public place, and YES people should place things in their street carefully, with this in mind, but it is in no way public like a random street in Groddle is public. It's perfectly valid to question the "permissions" aspects of home streets from time to time, and personally I think disabling pig bait on home streets would be consistent with some of the things that are currently true about home streets.  

    A good place for pigs is the attic.

    Oooh. I wish I had remembered that before putting them in my backyard. I've got them nestled between my gardens so it's not terribly inconvenient, but yeah.

    I remember when housing was being tested, and I thought about why we would need pigs in the front as well as the back.  Random Herdkeeping equipment is not able to be collected from by others, which suggests that piggies on the home street are designed to be a resource for the owner as much as (or more than) providing pigs on the street to nibble.  While having pigs *only* in the backyard might be the way to go for some who are well-traveled, worried, or so on, the fact is that they would then be missing out on an otherwise available (assuming they have the skills) resource.  The way things are currently, people may have to choose between having that resource and peace of mind. I *totally* accept people have to make these kinds of choices sometimes, but it's also not bad to discuss ways that the choice wouldn't have to be made.

    (And sorry, WalruZ, that got a bit longwinded. I'm not trying to imply that your suggestion was bad, because it totally wasn't!  Just am continuing to expand on the issues.)
    Posted 93 days ago by diaveborn ♥ Subscriber! | Permalink