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Request for people in Global Chat.

If someone is being knowingly offensive and refuses to stop, could we simply block, report, and change the subject? As it is, it seems to be "continue to argue with the guy so the offensive subject continues to be the matter of discussion."

Trolls want to piss you off. You are giving them a field day when you decide to continue ad nauseum with the self-righteous scolding and shower them with attention. Could we kindly cut them off at the source and talk about sloths or something? That is the ONLY way to immediately improve the situation for everyone. Thank you.

Posted 68 days ago by ZenMonkey Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I guess I'm a little concerned that people are pushing their personal political agendas (that 'the personal is political' shit, not electoral politics) in some of the recent comments.

    Quick context note: 'the personal is political' originates from second-wave feminism and refers to things advocated for in the 60s/70s.  More than being about individual agendas, it denotes wide-spread concerns that weren't being discussed publicly before.  For example, previous to the *political* acknowledgement of domestic violence, things that happened in the home were routinely discarded as a *personal* matter of the family.  That's the kind of thing the 'personal' part refers to, not personal ideas or opinions.

    The Glitch Community Guidelines make it pretty clear 'hateful speech' isn't welcome here, so I'm not sure why the value of hate speech legislation is being debated?  We don't all live in the same countries with the same laws, so even if we were going to talk about it (which I don't see why we would unless there's an excited lawyer in our community willing to educate us with interesting details - and if there is, by all means!) we'd have to have to get a lot more specific.

    For what it's worth: I wouldn't tolerate a family member spewing hate either.

    +1 to everything said by Cefeida and Not a Princess.
    Posted 63 days ago by Persephone Pear Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well put, Persephone. Regardless of the hate speech legislation of our countries of origin, we all have a responsibility to uphold the rules of the company who's service we are using: Tiny Speck. Whether or not you think hate speech is "real," the fact is that it isn't tolerated on TS's forums, chats and other virtual public spaces.

    ETA: I don't think any of us are referring to differing opinions as 'hate speech.' Rather, we're referring to racist, sexist, classist, ageist, ableist, misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic slurs that should never, ever be tolerated. 
    Posted 63 days ago by Aurora Dellaterra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • First of all, THIS:

    "ETA: I don't think any of us are referring to differing opinions as 'hate speech.' Rather, we're referring to racist, sexist, classist, ageist, ableist, misogynistic, homophobic and transphobic slurs that should never, ever be tolerated."

    Second of all, I see this discussion is still incorrectly simplified down to "say something" versus "don't say something" so I'm out, as this "debate" doesn't interest me. If I'm the only one who'd rather see less self-righteous posturing and more getting rid of the problem and back to talking about the game, I guess too bad for me.
    Posted 63 days ago by ZenMonkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Dorgan-- like many, you jump from a theoretical slippery slope argument about hate speech (which doesn't even exist as a crime in the country I'm posting from, the USA) and conflate it with hate crimes. Hate crimes are things that would otherwise be crimes (assault, battery, murder, etc), that are committed against a protected group, and generally are only called that because they get a worse punishment than if they hadn't been committed against that group.

    Now, as a society, we are (all the time) picking out certain crimes (those against children or those that are premeditated, for instance) as being more heinous than others. So certainly, if we decide as a society that certain crimes are worse than other, I don't see why we can't prosecute them more heavily. That's a big step away from criminalizing certain words and what-not.

    After all, if someone attacks another person (which I think we all agree is bad and merits punishment), then isn't it somehow worse if they do it because that person is a (insert whatever epithet jumps to mind)? Just like it's worse if they premeditated it? Or paid someone else to do it? Or anything else that would count as an "aggravating factor" in sentencing? 

    I didn't agree with your original argument, but at least it was self-consistent. But that was a BIG jump....

    --Me
    Posted 63 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Aurora Dellaterra -- hate to lose you. You're one of my favorite voices. FWIW, this debate is really making me think about how I generally treat the trolls, something I haven't done in many years. And I've been posting in electronic forums for more than 20 years. 

    Thanks, everyone!

    --Me
    Posted 63 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • SchWM - I think you're replying to ZenMonkey, who quoted me. Don't you worry, I'm not going anywhere!
    Posted 63 days ago by Aurora Dellaterra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 to Persephone Pear's stuff about "personal is political". I think the meaning's also tied up in the idea of consciousness raising and of what you do in your own life effecting your politics and vice versa, similar to the "think globally, act locally" idea-- both advocate for not separating your political philosophies from how you act in your daily life. It's an attempt to avoid hypocrisy-- the idea that if you are in favor of reducing dependance on overseas manufacturing you should attempt to get things that were made in your country, for example. The only people who aren't acting in accordance with the idea that the personal is political are separating their political beliefs from their own lives and attempting to impose those beliefs on others without following them themselves-- hypocrites, in other words. The roots are in the second wave of feminism but it's a concept that a lot of people would do well to get behind.

    Your Aunt on your mother's side who is Lesbian will be there.  Do you really want the issue of Gay Marriage brought up during dinner?

    I'll bet you currants to cabbages that your lesbian aunt appreciates it when someone tells your asshole uncle to stop calling people faggots and dykes over the dinner table, which is, to use your metaphor, what we're doing. We're not discussing legislative politics, we're attempting to get people to use language in line with being decent, empathetic human beings.

    On the other hand, people who come into discussions like this and try to turn them into debates about the legitimacy of hate speech as a concept and claim that attempts to get people to stop saying "retard" in Global are going to push us down a slippery slope into an Orwellian nightmare is, well, insane. So maybe we should just ignore him, since he's obviously just trolling. I mean, really, he's not even willing to acknowledge that definitions of words like "troll" change over time as they're used, his metaphors are broken and he's using obvious debate pivots to try to change the subject. So maybe we should just block him and move on-- we're not going to change his mind.
    Posted 63 days ago by Pixel Dirigible Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Possibly it could be that.
    Posted 63 days ago by Feldspar Gravity Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What?  You're not going to hurl your pudding cup on the floor as you exit?  
    Posted 63 days ago by Sloppy Ketchup Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But Sloppy Ketchup, this is Glitch! I think the closest to that he could do is drop his Flummery.
    Posted 63 days ago by Pixel Dirigible Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm so confused now.

    Are people actually getting upset that some of us prefer to raise awareness about the impacts of hurtful language, rather than sticking our fingers in our ears and simply ignoring the situation?

    Wat.
    Posted 62 days ago by Aurora Dellaterra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hey TS, could we please close this thread?  Terms of service and all that?  Thank you.
    Posted 62 days ago by FlatEarther Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Remind me never to bother trying to improve things again. I think instead of "block and report" I'll just "close Global" from now on.
    Posted 60 days ago by ZenMonkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Now we see the violence inherent in the system! Help help! I'm being oppressed!

    *snerk*
    Posted 60 days ago by Fauxfire π Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For anyone confused by this thread: Dorgon = Feldspar Gravity, and he had some really long rants with bad analogies and some stuff about how callouts and/or moderation on private websites are a slippery slope that will lead us into a theocracy or something that he's since edited down to one-liners. And then he told me "Fuck You" and ragequit the thread. So there's some context missing.

    EDIT: Screenshots of pre-edited thread: 1, 2. Google cache links: 1, 2.
    Posted 59 days ago by Pixel Dirigible Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's really tacky to turn it into a personal vendetta.  Did you put on your brown shirt this morning?

    You really have it in for me, eh?  Well, what an empty existence you must live.

    Don't be a Turd Dirigible.

    And yes, fuck off and die.  You're mourning the fact that that comment was wiped, eh?  You're the troublemaker who about a month ago was shrieking about 'politically incorrect abusive' things the animals and trees weren't doing.  Now you've got your platform, but everybody with a memory will remember you're the censorious turd you started out as.

    Watch out, people.  This is a strident Fascist in your midst.  
    Posted 59 days ago by Feldspar Gravity Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Way to have the courage of your convictions, dude.
    Posted 59 days ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  • help my fascism got me in jail
    Posted 59 days ago by Pixel Dirigible Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fucking Fascist
    Posted 59 days ago by Rennie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "It's really tacky to turn it into a personal vendetta, "  I am going to say as I turn this into a personal vendetta and say fuck off and die.  I shouldn't comment, but, that was really an asshole-ish thing to say, and really not a very brilliant way to say it.
    Posted 59 days ago by Rennie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Devs, please lock this thread - we tried to let it die but it hasn't and nothing that adds to the OP is being posted, just vitriol.
    Posted 59 days ago by Captain Daisy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, if no-one posts in it, then it dies. But, there is another way …
    Posted 59 days ago by stoot barfield Subscriber! | Permalink
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