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Community Gardens, Please Don't Do This

I know that a lot of people think its a good idea to keep EVERY SINGLE plot in the community gardens filled up with a crop, and if its not then there is usually someone standing nearby to make sure it something new is planted asap, but I really don't like this practice.  I prefer to have herb garden in my house, since I use it much more, so I have a firebog house.  However, on the rare occasion that I DO need to use a crop garden, it usually takes longer to find a community gardens with an open plot than it takes for the crop to grow.  Please please please, stop filling up EVERY SINGLE plot and leave a handful for other players to use.

It's a community garden, meaning the community should garden there.  Not one person standing around filling it up all day long or leaving notes saying "please replant if you take".  It's not about constantly having free crops available, its about allowing people to use the gardens when they need to.

Thanks in advance.

Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • striatic - not that it changes what you are saying, but she has an Herb Garden and is referring to Vegetable Gardens.
    Posted 16 months ago by The Cat Face Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ... Is everyone just skimming over Laurali's posts? All she's asking is that the players who are spending their time camping in the Community Garden and filling it up every second like a bunch of neurotics to leave one or two spots open just in case someone needs to do the planting and harvesting themselves. I don't see why so many of you are saying no. It's a simple and understandable request. You all are acting like she's telling you to stop using the Community Gardens forever. 
    Posted 16 months ago by Piratice Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah, but why should they leave it open on a "just in case"?  You want a spot, you can ask these "neurotics", seriously, sheesh. This is such a mountain out of a molehill... the vast majority of people benefit from this, especially those who don't have Croppery and get 6-7 veggies per harvest, but a few are inconvenienced and they want, what? Not like one or two empty spots is going to be enough. I'm honestly not trying to be willfully ignorant here, but I just am not seeing any "there" there.
    Posted 16 months ago by Blitz Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I vow to visit the community gardens and grab three plot of crops, clean the plot and water them and not plant anything.
    Posted 16 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yeah, i had the garden types reversed.

    piratice, that isn't what i think she's telling us, but the idea of leaving one or two spots open is silly because they're just going to get filled up anyway.

    if all you need to do is plant something for a quest, just harvest something that is currently growing and free up a plot for yourself.

    if there aren't currently any herbs/veggies ready to harvest, you can guano them until they are ready to harvest.

    normally i'm all for efficiency and tailoring your play not to disrupt other people's play but we're talking about quests here. one-off quests. we are talking about putting a little bit of extra effort into something you only have to do once.

    and if there is something reedy to be harvested when you arrive at the garden, no extra effort at all.

    edit: Lord Bacon-O's post points out the absurdity of this request perfectly. just harvest a plot, clear it, water it, plant your seeds and save LBO from doing your prep work.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok, I will try to be as clear as possible.  But first let me say, I was completely done with this thread after the first or second post by Biohazard, and the only reason I came back to it is because multiple players messaged me in game apologizing for how people were responding to this post and telling me they understand what I am talking about and that they have had similar problems.  They were probably not ready to throw themselves into the line of fire, because some people got very nasty, but I don't give a shit.  I'm not here for popularity contests, I have enough friends in my real life, and I don't care what anyone here thinks about me.  So now I feel obliged to try to clear this all up.

    The examples I listed are just my experiences, I have no problem buying crops from a vendor or auction or another player, or even switching houses if I need it that badly (I have had one of every type of house already, and I have plenty of money to get any house I need).  I am actually now finished with every quest except one, so that isn't a problem either.  I was just listing the times when I was inconvenienced.  There are low level players who might not have a house, or players who might not have a lot of currants, or who may prefer to remain completely self sufficient who also need plots to plant.  It doesn't really matter what the reason is, when something is open to the community a handful of players shouldn't be the only ones using it.  Piractice had it pretty close, I am just asking plots not be filled in case anyone needs to garden there.  After all, it is called Community Garden.

    @glum:  those people who like to play that way can continue to do so even if they leave a few open for players who might need it.  It actually is hurting people who haven't been able to use the gardens because they are too full, and they can continue to do what they like just being respectful of other players.

    @striatic:  The herb gardens are very different as players don't need herbs for anything other than the buffs that they provide, where as crops can be used for quests, cooking, energy, etc so it's not quite the same.

    @The Cat Face & @Piractice:  Thank you so much!  

    @Ridem: "The people that are 'upsetting you' with their plotting are certainly not going to take the time to read any of this"
     Several of the first posts in the thread:
    "I know im very guilty of this i do it often all around the place whenever i realize im close to a community garden."  and   "Sorry, think I may be guilty of this."
    Glad I could bring a little humor to your day :)  

    @Blitz:  This was never intended to be a mountain, I don't think asking someone to leave a few plots open for people who might need them is a big deal, but the inappropriate harshness and rudeness of several of the commenters above major escalated the tone

    @stri:  I got all the way to the gardens to find it full of seeds only, so then I would have to get from Groddle all the way to where the batterflies exist, make sure I have what I need to get them to drop guano (I never use guano or waste space in my bags carrying it cause I typically only garden at my home) and then get all the way back to the gardens and then still have to wait 15-20 minutes to use a plot
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh yes, and:
     @Piractice "... Is everyone just skimming over Laurali's posts?"

    It would honestly appear so, since 90% of the comments above have nothing to do with what I was asking.  And I can't understand the problem with just leaving a few plots open.  Jesus Christ you would think I asked you to sacrifice yourselves
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "@stri:  I got all the way to the gardens to find it full of seeds only, so then I would have to get from Groddle all the way to where the batterflies exist, make sure I have what I need to get them to drop guano (I never use guano or waste space in my bags carrying it cause I typically only garden at my home) and then get all the way back to the gardens and then still have to wait 15-20 minutes to use a plot"

    this is incorrect.

    if you target the faster growing crops with your guano, like rice, you don't have to wait 15 minutes. barely 5, and you can hit multiple plots at a time.

    i just went to the community garden to test this, and flipped 5 plots in 5 minutes using 5 guano.

    btw, batterflies exist not just in ilemenskie .. but also in alakol, which neighbors the region that the gardens are in. we're talking 7 streets, max. for a one-off quest, that's nothing.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Stri: Even if it was just running 7 streets and spending 5 minutes waiting, it's still just considerate to leave some for other people.  In the same way that I water/pet trees that are low or go out of my way to help people who need a wood tree, I think it's just respectful to not use up all the resources available when other players could need it as well.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Even if it was just running 7 streets and spending 5 minutes waiting, it's still just considerate to leave some for other people."

    good grief. 7 streets and 5 minutes for a one-off quest? i mean you're making this big to-do about it, and then i'm able to log in and flip a few plots in 5 minutes.

    people planting the community garden full are creating resources for other players to eat for energy or to sell, sounds pretty respectful to me. calling them neurotic sounds something along the lines of disrespectful to me.

    and nobody is 'using up all the resources', since nobody is stopping anybody from harvesting and re-planting. as far as i can tell you can yoink whatever you want out of the ground and nobody in the garden complains a lick. planting more means more to yoink and that's fine by me.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am not making a big to do about it!!  I just asked to leave a few plots open, how is that a big deal?  The ones making a big deal are the ones disagreeing and and starting a huge argument.  Also, I'm glad that you were able to log on in 5 minutes and get what you need, but I didn't have such luck earlier. 

    And once again, I AM NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT MYSELF.  My quest is over, I am no longer talking about the quest I needed to finish.  I probably won't even use the plots until the reset again.  I am talking about the people who have talked to me in game saying they have a problem with this too.  I'm not here to explain why anyone would ever need a garden plot because I only know of the times I needed it, I'm just telling you that people do need them.

    There are 51 garden plots in Kipacre Greens.  Is it such a big deal to fill up 45 and just leave the other 6 for anyone who might be passing through and using it?  Why are people getting so angry about that request?  That is 45...45 plots that people can fill up and keep full all day long.  How is it a big deal to just leave a few open in case someone needs/wants to use it?

    I never called anyone neurotic, I said "neurotically filling it up".  Sorry if that offended anyone
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you for all the seeds and earth btw!  And thanks for the penis, me and my bf broke up recently so that will definitely come in handy for those lonely nights.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • UNCLENCH.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm super disappointed in the attitudes I see. She was simply trying to make a point, and some of you have taken it upon yourselves to let out every bit of anger that you have on her....

    and leaving guano on her doorstep- classy. seriously. 
    Posted 16 months ago by NutMeg Botwin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "the only reason I came back to it is because multiple players messaged me in game apologizing for how people were responding to this post and telling me they understand what I am talking about and that they have had similar problems."


    Quaint, however, people have also messaged me in game saying "Man, I am glad someone is trying to show Laureli that she is being (insert unpleasant descriptor here about selfishness or etc)".
    And again.
    If "THOSE PEOPLE" (insert unpleasant term about neuroticness or etc) leave "1 or 2" or "4 or 5" or whatever amount of plots, again, someone who has not yet planted that day will come fill them.
     
    And as I had said earlier in this thread, and today, AND yesterday, 90% of the time at least ONE of the community Crop gardens will have a minimum of one empty plot/harvestable crop, more like "a few" being anywhere from 2 to a large 4x4 section.
    I go to these gardens at least twice a day to water/tend/etc them. There have only been 2 times in 4 tests that I have seen literally zero finished/empty plots.
    It seems to me that the people claiming there are never empty plots are probably only trying to get empty plots maybe once or twice before deciding it is grossly unfair that nobody caters to their specific whims.

    When I was new, I was disappointed when there were no crops ready, as I needed energy to survive. Now, I am disappointed when I see that not a single plot in the garden has been watered recently. Maybe, if people want empty plots so badly, they should be bothering to maintain the current crops to make them grow faster rather than brood about it and blame others for "not leaving them any room".
    This is, as you say, a community garden. The community (according to your Always-Full experience) seems to like a full garden. You can be patient, or you can politely ask the person "hovering" to allow you to plant plots since you have a quest to complete, OR, you can choose to blame others for making your life a tiny bit "harder" by making your game take a tiny bit longer.

    Oh, and NutMeg? Guano completely solves this problem. It gives her the ability either to clear the plot quicker, or mail it to these people messaging her about agreeing and not being able to finish a quest. I'm not sure I see what the problem is, if I had voiced this issue and was given guano, I would say "hey thanks, now I can finish my quest/help other people finish theirs".
    Posted 16 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My point is this: why is ANYTHING brought up immediately made such a big deal, and made into personal attacks? If you don't like the thread, you can just ignore it if you don't agree..... 
    Posted 16 months ago by NutMeg Botwin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Biohazard:  I am sorry that you feel the need to attack me personally, but don't worry I won't hold a grudge!

    And I personally thanked the person who gave me the plops because they have seeds (it wasn't guano).
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think Biohazard was attacking you personally, merely pointing out that you are wrong to request something so inane in a game of imagination. If it was going to be a personal attack, Bio could have said you are passive aggressive because you are overweight. THAT would be personal.

    No big deals here. I'm a banana.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • just FYI, i didn't have the plant and harvest all crops quest complete, so i decided to test how long it would take to accomplish at the community garden instead of at home.

    it took about 30 minutes, and that was simply due to waiting for the plants that i had planted to finish.

    while doing this, i thought about it a bit and realized that planting every plot actually helps people complete the quest.

    i'm pretty sure you don't have to plant and harvest the same veggie instance, just the same veggie type. so if all the plots are planted, some of them will be harvestable. harvest and re-plant, and you're done with that veggie with no wait whatsoever, not even guano accelerated wait.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Seems like both sides have been beat into the ground by now. I think maybe agreeing to disagree and moving on would probably be best at this juncture.
    Posted 16 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • but Little Miss Giggles, if i'd done that i wouldn't have discovered a nifty way to speed through that quest.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Striatic:  I've said about 5 times now this is not just about quests, so bringing up quests and how this relates to quests over and over and over again is counter productive

    But that is very good knowledge thanks for sharing.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yeah but .. how would the problem apply to anything other than quests?

    i mean if you need to harvest a certain thing, it'll only be faster if it has already been planted. if all the plots are planted there's a greater chance you'll find what you want in quantity.

    and if you want to plant something just for kicks, the "please replant if you take" directive seems to address just that. take, replant something.  the so-called neurotic plot filling only occurs when people don't replant things themselves. it doesn't prevent replanting.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Not true, I needed brocolli and there was none planted, nor onions, nor spinach last time I visited
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There could have been more missing, that is just what I was looking for
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • if it is missing, harvest something else and plant it.

    if every plot is filled, more chance you won't even have to do that, but it hasn't been planted and you do need to do it, there you go. harvest something and then plant it.

    plus broccoli is available from produce vendors everywhere.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali, I have the BEST DOORSTEP ever. Everyone should come visit me on Moraba Plains. Thanks so much for all the presents, they are AWESOME! Something to keep my gnomes talking about for sure!

    And thanks for all the hugs and kisses! I've never had so many lips on my ass before!! :D
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I won't bother naming names because there are individuals here so entrenched in their ignorant, childish behavior (and to be quite honest, somewhat abusive griefing) that anything I say would probably slip through their loose grip of reality. 

    Laurali started a forum to highlight a potentially wasteful and definitely pointless behavior of fruitlessly monopolizing community space. Sadly, even in Glitch no good deed goes unpunished. Either through not reading thoroughly or not understanding, people have unfairly characterized Laurali as someone who is unfairly demanding more of the community than any one person can reasonably expect. This is wholly untrue.

    Facts:
    1. There are community gardens whose function would better serve the community by individuals not compulsively filling it with crop on the off chance someone might need that crop. The empty plot is more useful!

    2. Community gardens are a community resource, and as Laurali and many others have suggested, the fairest way to use them would be need-based. If you don't need it, why cause extra steps for others to use it? We are not saying "always leave the last 3 plots empty", rather "Why use the first 20 for something that isn't helping anyone? Use what you need!" If you want to plant extra for others to harvest, that's great too, but remember if helping was your original goal consider leaving some plots empty.

    3. There is time/energy/resources lost in speeding the growth of these useless crops. No matter how insignificant they may seem per single use they eventually add up. Not everyone can spend all day grinding and by having a "tiny speck" of common courtesy, the community grows it's less knowledgeable/resource savvy players into bonafide glitch veterans.  

    Lastly, i understand that this is the nature of the internet and the day we live in, but why do people have to knee-jerk object to positive changes? I guess i'll just not understand the rudeness some people stoop to over a game.
    Posted 16 months ago by flea Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "But remember if helping was your original goal consider leaving some plots empty."

    It really sucks to have to spend hours defending the reasons why I wasn't able to use the gardens instead of people just accepting that it's possible someone needs to use it, and it's really no inconvenience to anyone to leave a couple open anyways.

    I'm through defending my point because only a few people actually contributed anything worthwhile.  It's so draining to debate against people who are only trying to make up for their problems by griefing others on a forum for an online game and its depressing that people resort to personal attacks.  Honestly I expect better of the Glitch community.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali, I have to say I agree with striatic.  However, I don't think your request was unreasonable, and I am really disappointed in the viciousness of some of the responses.
    Posted 16 months ago by larky lion Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you Larky
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Haha, and just when I was starting to like her. Laurali BLOCKED me. Awesome.

    When all else fails, simply deny another opinion exists. Ignorance is bliss. She'll learn this when she gets older.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • While we're on the issue on plants, where did all the Gas in Ix go? There should be 2 streets called West Gas and East Gas. 
    Posted 16 months ago by KitkatCat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wasn't that West Spice and East Spice?
    Posted 16 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There's West Spice and East Spice. I want 2 MORE streets called West gas and East gas.
    Posted 16 months ago by KitkatCat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, you're just asking for those! Sorry, I thought you couldn't find streets that were there before :D :D
    Posted 16 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Kitkat:  Everytime I see your name I want to eat chocolate and cuddle with my kitty
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I want 2 MORE streets called West gas and East gas"

    Just nothing called South Gas or North Gas.  I get enough of both from my husband.
    Posted 16 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ba-dum-ching!
    Posted 16 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Every time I visit a community garden, I plant up as many empty plots as I have seeds for. It's just the way I play. I don't plan to change this behavior.

    Once Glitch goes live, it will be impossible to govern play behavior, so maybe the best result of this thread is that those who are hoping to influence the play styles of others will realize that their energies are better directed toward enjoying their own creative time in-game.
    Posted 16 months ago by Eleanor Rigby Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Good point Nanookie, I'm with you on that. Men, zey have zee speshul powers.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It is impossible even now to govern play behavior, but there have been numerous numerous forums about community guidelines.  This isn't the first and certainly not the last post about what should or shouldn't be done in game.  It's not trying to change how people play, I am just asking the people continue to play the way they do without taking it to the extreme.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Can't we talk about how gay this game is again?
    Posted 16 months ago by emdot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I heard the staff all go to work in lamé hotpants
    Posted 16 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Tone. All about tone.
    Posted 16 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "3. There is time/energy/resources lost in speeding the growth of these useless crops. No matter how insignificant they may seem per single use they eventually add up."

    personally i don't like it, but like it or not guano is now an essential aspect of gardening.

    especially operating in a community garden, when speed is required in order to flip plots so that more people are able to use the limited supply of plots.

    it's not like how it used to be. if you want to do controlled planting and harvesting in the community gardens, you have to use guano now. using guano isn't a waste of time .. *not using guano* is a waste of time. time/energy/resources are not *lost* by speeding up the crop using guano .. they are gained!

    and no crop is 'useless'.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There will always be differences of opinion regarding what constitutes "taking it to the extreme". Your "extreme" and mine will be two different things. Once the game launches, there will be far more extreme extremes than anything seen so far: the testing community is far more polite and friendly than the real world of gaming. I'm suggesting that now would be the time for folks to learn to overlook those play styles that bother them, since there will be no way to govern play behavior or even "suggest guidelines" in the hope that they might influence others.  Oh, you'll be able to suggest, but to think all players will agree that someone's guidelines, or even the guidelines of the majority, will direct their play? Ain't gonna happen. Play your own way, be creative, and overlook the types of play that don't twirl your socks, even if it means you sigh and go do something else than what you'd planned in-game at that moment.
    Posted 16 months ago by Eleanor Rigby Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eleanor, I was just asking a favor.  I did not think that it would inconvenience anyone to just leave a few plots open, and there is yet to be a single person to explain why that request is so hard to listen to.  It is a very very SIMPLE thing for someone to do.  If someone could explain to me why it is such a big deal to leave a few plots open I would love to hear it.  Like I said, 51 plots in Kipacre Greens, why does it matter if only 45 are filled up?? 

    That being said, I was just asking a favor.  Didn't even expect anyone to listen, just wanted to let people know that filling it up to the brink can inconvenience other people because I assumed the ones filling it up were trying to help others, and I thought it would be more helpful to just leave a few open for anyone who needs to plant.

    The responses in the thread are WAY worse than what I asked in the OP
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali: I am not ignoring your post and no disrespect meant, just not offering up my opinion on the main issue.  BUT I am reading this thread so:

    What about a guano dispenser in each community garden? It could be kept full by players but have a limit for how many it will dispense per day per player so that one person can't clean it out like an extreme couponer at a newspaper machine.  

    The idea would be to have guano on hand for someone who needs to plant occasionally but doesn't always have guano.

    ps. this game is SO GAY.
    Posted 16 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And I never expected everyone to agree, but I do expect people to be respectful and at least have a point about the OP when you comment, not just sit around ripping on the person you disagree with
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink