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All may plant, all may harvest

Can the sign be taken down please?
I was in the herb gardens today, planting all of my seeds. Then someone just walked right up to the plots I was standing over and took all my herbs, when I asked for my herbs back, she responded with,"free to plant, free to take." Then, she teleported.

Can the signs PLEASE, be taken down? I just have lost all of my herbs and this might continue to be a problem.

Posted 12 months ago by feifei Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Rats... sorry this happened to you feifei.

    Unfortunately, that's the way the world works right now.  The promise of customizable houses may bring us some relief, but we won't know until that change actually happens.

    Your best other bet would be to key share with a friend who has a bog home.... but they appear to be in high demand these days!  <g>
    Posted 12 months ago by Pirate Apples Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I feel for you, I really do.

    Standing there feeding batterflies and not seeing the thief standing behind me, who was careful to leave just one guano down so I didn't realize they were disappearing on me...and when I caught him and called him on it he just laughed at me. "If it's on the ground it's fair game."  Well, it was over a hundred meat I had invested that he took from me.  If they can't take ore I'm mining from my pockets as I'm mining it, I don't know why they should be able to take guano from my feeds or herbs from your planting and watering.  Just how I see it.  People are usually so nice to each other in this game that I hate to see cutthroat piratey behavior.
    Posted 12 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Feifei, this has been a problem for a couple weeks now. I think the devs put up those signs as a way of making it clear how they feel. I agree, it's not fair that people should get to profit off your items and work, but for now, it might be best to rent a bog house or find a friend with one.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If the sign says 'free to plant, free to take' why would you be upset when another player does just that?  You freely planted knowing anyone could walk in and help themselves. Why is it a problem when they do so?  Public gardens are just that.  Public.  That's the whole point.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dr. Babycat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You shouldn't have put yourself in a position to get your herbs robbed.
    Buy a bog house, or find a friend.
    Posted 12 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I think the devs put up those signs as a way of making it clear how they feel."

    "If the sign says 'free to plant, free to take' why would you be upset when another player does just that?  You freely planted knowing anyone could walk in and help themselves."

    Nothing more needs to be said.
    Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I suppose this is a way to keep the game interesting and make it more like real life.  There are jerks in real life, just like in the game.  The herb thieves love to hide behind the excuse that the gardens and their contents are "community property" and these signs seem to be in favor of the thieves, not the honest players who *do* tend to plant and harvest what they need, then leave extra herbs for the next player.  THAT is what community gardening should be.

    Yes, all may harvest.  But, come on!  If you see someone standing by several plots, you can bet that that player spent a lot of time/money obtaining seeds and guano.  I like to use a library analogy...  Books in the library are community property.  Anyone may come in, pick up a book, and read it.  So, does that make it okay to stroll into a library, grab a book from under someone's nose and run off with it?

    It's true.  Those who come into the gardens and make off with herbs that others planted (right under the planters' noses) are not breaking any rules.  It's also true that those who plant in public gardens assume that risk.  That doesn't mean that it isn't incredibly rude and childish.  This behavior reeks of entitlement issues and makes me thank my lucky starts that I have friends who are willing to share their bog homes with me.
    Posted 12 months ago by Little Violet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Taking down the signs won't change a thing. This was happening before the signs even came up, the only difference is that they have something to quote now.
    Posted 12 months ago by Vinchon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The signs are helpful, they make it clear that the gardens aren't yours they are everyone's.
    Posted 12 months ago by Octo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Playing the devil's advocate here... if we reverse the signs to say "What you plant is yours", would that have made any difference to herb snatching? I suspect not... (kind of like no amount of regulation can completely stop digital piracy).

    Stoot has always been of the mind of enabling players to interact in the game the way they feel like it. It makes the game interesting... people come up with unexpected ways of doing things.

    So can we look at this "problem" in another way? And say it's just an opportunity to try a different approach?
    Posted 12 months ago by nightning Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think that probably would have dissuaded some, but the majority of people are going to take all the herbs they can whether or not it's sanctioned. We've seen that already.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't believe the devs put up those signs. There was a thread where another player admitted to putting the signs in the community gardens. I think it is very sad that this situation is occurring and really hope that the housing update will solve the problem. They may be public gardens but when another player does all the work of planting, fertilizing etc, it seems to me to be very rude to reap the benefits right from under their nose. Just my opinion!
    Posted 12 months ago by Breezy Meadow Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm sorry, but...how could a player do that? And if it wasn't the devs, if someone had hacked the signs in or something, don't you think the devs would have taken the signs down already?
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Breezy Meadow:

    The only thing players can do is leave notes.  Only devs can put up a sign.
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I stand corrected....BUT still think it is a sad day when one player can "steal" from another.
    Posted 12 months ago by Breezy Meadow Subscriber! | Permalink
  • sorry, but the 'community gardens' bit in the name of those maps kind of makes it clear that it's fair game for people to do so. I'm not saying it's good etiquette or very nice for people to do this, but don't plant in the COMMUNITY  GARDEN if you don't want to run this risk.  

    I don't like to run the risk myself, it's happened to me too often to count - that's why I downgraded to a smaller house this week and bought a bog house. 6-herb plots down from 12-crop plots!

    The opposite side of the coin is that I've met some really nice people in the community gardens too...
    Posted 12 months ago by Arietty Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Feifei, while I'm sorry your herbs were pinched, the signs are there for *you* -- the devs are not into legislating how the gardens are used, and players are free to act how they wish.

    I don't condone the sniper -- I think they are mssing out on the cooperative interactions. But there is no entitlement for anyone or style anyone "should" play by.
    Posted 12 months ago by Sturminator IX Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "still think it is a sad day when one player can "steal" from another."

    It is not stealing to take from the community gardens when it is clearly posted that all can plant and all can harvest freely.  You cannot steal what is publicly given for free.  (That said, I have never harvested from them, but have often gone in and passed out seeds for free to those hanging about just to be nice.) If you do not wish to have herbs you planted harvested by another then don't plant them there. It is really quite simple.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dr. Babycat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I feel your pain.  I think maybe the way the signs are worded or something had given a bad impression on how one should act in gardens.  I've made a huge habit of making rounds on the community vegetable gardens, I usually harvest whatever had sprouted (unless someone is standing at the plot) and I tend and replant every empty plot.  I imagine the number of seeds I've planted much less tended is many times more than what I've harvested.  My point however is that since the signs have gone up I've noticed many more plots going unplanted or even unweeded.  I show up at a garden and often notice whole blocks of plots empty.  This is obviously only anecdotal evidence but I believe the number of people simply picking whatever they can and not bothering to replant has gone up significantly.

    I wouldn't argue that you should only pick what you plant, I don't think sitting around a community garden for the entire sprouting of a herb or vegetable is reasonable or should be required.  However I would suggest that if someone intends to harvest from a community garden they live by two simple rules:

    1) Tend, water and replant any plots you run across
    2) Never harvest a crop if another glitch is already waiting at the plot

    No one can make you play by these rules but I believe they are simply the right thing to do.
    Posted 12 months ago by Chee42 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • All your base are belong to us.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fv...
    Posted 12 months ago by ArtOfHands RoboGirl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • To take and not give back is a jerk move, I agree, but they ARE community gardens for a reason - they're there for everybody to use however they'd like.  :: shrugs ::
    I'm with Desdemona on this.  What more really needs saying?

    I'm sorry your herbs were plucked from under you, however if you care that much, just buy your own bog house and harvest your own herbs there.  =/
    Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow @Miso George - talk about double standards, not saying I disagree with what you've said here, but your comments in your profile giving other players a hard time just because you no longer have your 'private' sandbox group home is a more than a little hard to swallow. Why the complete about face in this instance?
    Posted 12 months ago by Arietty Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Agreed with Miso. I think that's pretty much all there is to it, to be honest. In a perfect Ur, everyone would use the community gardens to harvest and replant if a plot is unattended, or leave it alone if the planter is standing there waiting. Buuut, there are always going to be those who grab and dash, and there's not much that can be done about it.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Instead of spending your time standing over growing crops, why not go do something else that's profitable and just buy the herbs? There's lots of beans, cherries, pigs, chickens, and rocks around. Doesn't take long to fill a bag and turn a good profit. As a bonus, you get a nice sightseeing trip around Ur.
    Posted 12 months ago by Black Francis Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Planting herbs and trying to spam the Enter key slightly more than an herb-sniper is not fun at all. I play Glitch to have fun, not to have rude people foil my work.

    This is like spending time and effort building a glorious sand castle, only to have someone else come along and destroy it. Well, it was a community beach, I suppose I only have myself to blame for taking the risk? If that's it, I'm over it.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kevin McCallister Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sand castle is a perfect analogy.  /nods at Kevin

    For a while after I first started playing, I only experienced Glitchen being helpful and randomly generous. I got excited, thinking that Glitch would have a culture of kindness and generosity. Especially since the devs had created things like Random Kindness and had made rocks and other resources shareable -- I thought that positive behavior must be a TS goal.

    But it eventually became clear to me -- first through reading the forums, then through actual gameplay, that there are people who think being selfish and unkind is fun. And with the signs in the herb garden, it became clear that I was wrong about TS's goal and they are not going to stop it. Nor, apparently, are they going to give Glitchen the means to self-enforce a code of conduct.

    Therefore, all I can do is remove myself from the equation. I do not give anyone the opportunity to steal from me or take advantage of my trust. I do not visit the common herb gardens. I do not harvest guano when anyone else is nearby. I do not let anyone into my house. And so on.

    I will still do small kindnesses for Glitchen strangers, but nothing that can be taken advantage of to an extent that would make me feel betrayed.

    It's sad, but I don't see a better option under the circumstances. You know, if everyone boycotted the herb gardens, the thieves would have nothing to steal. And they might stop trying. Or maybe TS would reconsider their stance.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kinkajou Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Arietty-- I don't consider this an "about face".  The community gardens have a stated purpose, and as the devs put it: "Free to plant, free to take" "share the bounty" etc.

    Whereas the Missing Room was specifically pointed out to the Sandbox members for use as a Lair when we complained that the "bug" that allowed us our 1st Lair was fixed, thus taking away the base of our operations.  We've mentioned extensively all about the forums and in the room itself AND in notes that the place is not just a free-for-all where you go and take a bunch of stuff.  And yet people keep going and raiding it just for free goods without contributing whatsoever.  Until there are group halls -- which we don't even know for sure when those will be released or IF they will be released -- I think it's perfectly fair of us to say look, this is just one area on a whole entire map that we'd like to use as the base of our fun and games.  Please don't go in there and raid it because that's not fair to us.  If people are going in and taking the stuff thinking it's free because they just *happened* to stumble on it, not talk to anyone there, not read the notes on the floor, not go into the forums, etc. I guess that's one thing.  But to specifically go there for free things and defend your right to do so when you know full well people are trying to use it for secret missions and such, that seems like a rotten thing to do.

    Whereas the community gardens were put there so that people could plant -- and share -- their harvests.  The developers even put up signs pointing out that anybody can harvest and anybody can plant.  Sure we share the room too but for people to only take and not give back isn't fair.

    /rant

    If people want to use the community gardens they do so at their own risk.  Of course the Sandbox uses the Room at our own risk as well.  I'm not debating that or arguing that point at all.  But what I'm saying is, there are signs posted in the gardens for a reason.  That reason is to settle exactly the kinds of arguments that the OP is trying to raise.  :: shrugs ::
    Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It was a beautifull day, the sun was warm without hot, the wind was gentle and slightly cooling. Got my bucket and shovel ready, a pile of pretty shells and a few rare woodpieces.
    Happily choose a queit spot among the others and started building. Behold it became glorious, having a chat and a frolic with the neighbours the sandcastle was coming nicely together.
    Even had some silent admirer who stood there, backwards in the sun, saying nothing. There where more spots open, but surely this bystander was enjoying my happy doodling right here.
    Little did I know...
    After a huff and a puff and and a last dashing detail the sandcastle was ready.
    BAM! Gone it was, and just a crater of a sad mess was left of my happy work. Not quite understanding I asked the silent one who now unfolded his dark wings why he did that.
    "cause all may plant and all may harvest"
    ...
    That has nothing to do with a community and everything with being a rook.
    Posted 12 months ago by Jemmet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Anything that isn't in your house or inventory isn't "yours", no matter how much you may think otherwise. Instead of asking for the sign to be removed, why not read and understand it?

    Or you could just buy a bog house. You may have fewer plots to work with, but what you plant will truly be yours, and not "yours".
    Posted 12 months ago by Dr. Yeti Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Discussions around herb gardens seem to be going no where in forums with devs

    There seem to be 3 main types of herb gardeners:
    1. Those who plant their own and hope to harvest only what they plant
    2. Those who play thief
    3. Those who are indifferent to people in group 1 when group 2  plays thief with their stuff

    I don't know what the solution is but there are way too many unhappy herb players and things need to be balanced out by TS...
    Posted 12 months ago by ◘ ▪ Leï.Leï ▪ ◘ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hopefully the housing update will fix this dilemma, and then the forum will stop being all about people complaining about the herb gardens. :/
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • First it was the miners (in ajaya) complaining about how people don't follow the group and mine what they want....Now it's the herbalists complaining about how others are faster clickers...what's next? lol
    Posted 12 months ago by Kalashnikov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have two problems right now. The first is that every patch seems to be planted with Purple. I am not against Purple, I just don't need it. Also, I would like to plant and/or harvest something else. Second, I can't get seeds. I have lost seeds when my plants have been taken from under my nose by others who are fast and ruthless. I will never buy any overpriced item from the auctions so,it seems that it may be a long timfe befor I finish the herb Quests.
    Posted 12 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The thieves plant purple so the number of slots they have to watch is limited. They'll keep a few free so people will plant in them and hopefully lose track.
    Posted 12 months ago by Blitz Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Brib, try arranging a trade with a friend who has herb plots.  Even if you don't want to borrow their garden and plant/harvest in their home, I'm sure you know people who would be willing to do exchanges for all the herbs you need.
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Because of this thread I purposely went to the community gardens last night and planted stuff and watered everyones' plots for them without taking anything.  It may have been a small gesture but hopefully it has ripples throughout the world like a butterfly flapping its' wings.  No more broken pasta.
    Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The sign in Chakra Phool's garden puts a different spin on it- Plant for everyone, Harvest what you need.
    although admittedly it doesn't really change the problem of someone watching over a harvest they fertilised only for someone else to run in and nick it
    Posted 12 months ago by Spacemarine9 Subscriber! | Permalink
  •  I think it is very sad that this situation is occurring and really hope that the housing update will solve the problem. 

    There has never been any indication from Tiny Spec that the housing update will allow cross-ecosystem crop growing.  It's very likely that you'll still have to live in the bogs to grow herbs.   People who hope that they will be able to build a basement and grow herbs are indulging in wishful thinking and may very well wind up disappointed. 
    Posted 12 months ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There's a 4th group:  People who either buy a bog house or do not work with herbs.  

    Besides, NOTHING needs to be balanced, and NOTHING will be balanced.  The Community Gardens are working as intended.  People are indifferent to the plight of those attempting to plant and harvest in Community Gardens because that is not how the Community Gardens are intended to be used -- there cannot be any thieves if there is not any private property to steal. The only bad behavior here is coming from Group #1 -- they are not entitled to reserve plots in a public space.  

    And I pretty sure it will not be balanced.  For one, there's a strong possibility that this problem will cease to exist and players might have both kinds of plots at home or at minimum will have more control over which one of the two plots they have.  And for another, and more importantly, one of the major stated reasons for going back to beta was so they could focus their resources on The Big Update while giving reduced support for bugs and other adjustments.  Tiny Speck not responding to the community's herb issues is exactly the type of behavior they were warning us to expect with the Unlaunching.  

    So everyone take a deep breath and be patient.  Doing anything about this "problem" would just make the real solution take longer.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @WalruZ

    It's also very possible that our current concept of housing locations will simply cease to have meaning.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Take the community gardens back from the 1%

    ¿occupy them?

    yes...

    OCCUPY SHIMLA MIRCH COMMUNITY GARDENS!
    Posted 12 months ago by Fatty McFatcheeks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I went down to the herb gardens a few days ago, found some unattended plots, guanoed, watched, harvested, cleared, and left the empty plots for someone else to plant in. Why did I leave them empty? Because everything I saw was purple, and that's what I harvested. Might as well given another Glitch an opportunity to plant something else as I had nothing else on me that I could plant, sadly. :(

    I make trips to the herb gardens every so often, tend a few patches, rarely harvest anything. If I want herbs, I'm not going to rely on the community gardens, sadly enough. It's too hostile and chaotic, and I like my order. I'll spend my time mining. :D (and playing in my friend's herb garden which she has shared with me)
    Posted 12 months ago by Saiai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Also, I'm just super curious here but, what do people do whilst waiting for the herbs to grow~?
    I can imagine it's super boring.

    When I am waiting for sparkly to spawn in my favourite hiding place in the mines, I usually spend time grinding, cooking stuff and making powders and eggs and beans.  Also I like using the time to write notes and bundle grain.
    Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's boring, but I find other things to do. Or I could set an alarm and engage in some misdirection.
    Posted 12 months ago by Blitz Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "sorry, but the 'community gardens' bit in the name of those maps kind of makes it clear that it's fair game for people to do so. I'm not saying it's good etiquette or very nice for people to do this, but don't plant in the COMMUNITY  GARDEN if you don't want to run this risk. "

    Arietty, I have a COMMUNITY GARDEN plot in real life, which qualifies me to say that you do not understand what a community garden is. Anyone can get a plot, and then they harvest what they plant and nurture. Sometimes people do steal produce, thus stealing the fruits of others' labor, but it is viewed as theft.

    It's a strange viewpoint to say that if it is possible to take something, it is not stealing. Stealing is possible in the real world; that doesn't make it right. If Glitch is about culture, then players are able to develop a culture that views some actions as unethical and others as ethical. What kind of totalitarian mindset must you have to expect the game developers to literally intervene to render unethical acts impossible?
    Posted 12 months ago by ruptures Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm with ruptures. I think the Community Garden signs are being misinterpreted. Free to plan, free to harvest in a community garden context to me means if it's ripe and no one is there waiting for it, you get to harvest it. Then, you replant for the next person. If someone is waiting, then respect the effort they've put in and wait for your turn to use the plots. You also, since you're using a shared resource, have a responsibility to water and fertilize where needed, regardless of whether you will be harvesting that particular plot or not. It appears that few seem to understand the concept of the commonweal, or a shared resource--or sharing, frankly. Ayn Rand really has had a very unhealthy influence on the culture.
    Posted 12 months ago by Axa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This isn't a real-life community garden. The turnaround time is measured in minutes, not weeks. There are multiple good-faith models of planting and harvesting--some people pick and replant because they think that's fine, other people will splank you to hell and call you out on global for doing so. Some people genuinely don't believe you own herbs when you put them in the ground. Then there are the bad-faith models: some people see dollar signs when they enter the gardens and take stuff specifically to be a jerk.

    That is a thing that happens. That is not a thing that any number of forum threads or splankings or global chat discussions will stop.

    "What kind of totalitarian mindset must you have to expect the game developers to literally intervene to render unethical acts impossible?"

    Lots of players have asked for this--that what many players call stealing would literally be made impossible. The devs have not done so. Instead, they've left some signs to guide how we behave there.

    The devs haven't said, "Pick only what you plant--that means YOU, Player X who has been really mean to Player Y."

    They haven't said, "The giants are watching so you better behave."

    They've said "All may plant, all may harvest." That's not just a message to the pickers, it's a message to the planters.

    If your play style relies heavily on herbs, and if what happens in the gardens upsets you to the core or if you are unwilling to deal with the occasional loss of stock, you should buy a bog house. If you click back in the forums a few pages people are giving them away for free.
    Posted 12 months ago by Pomegrandy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Bad behaviour excused because it is allowed, or because the devs know what is going on does not change anything. Taking what someone else is working on may be permissible, but it is still very bad manners. If you do this you know it is wrong, and you ultimately only harm yourself and your reputation.
    That said, while it is horribly rude there is not a huge point in whinging about it. That is the game mechanics of this game. Some games reward players for shooting you, which is even worse manners!
    The solution is for us to find, and if house keys can be given to 100 friends, then some co-op bog houses might be one solution.
    Posted 12 months ago by Fogwoman Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have to keep explaining a point of contention to people: if you find a harvestable plot unguarded, you can harvest and replant by virtue of the fact that they are community gardens and you really have no idea who, or how long ago, did the plant/tending. If someone is watching over a group of plots, they should be left alone by right. If you take it upon yourself to plant in boxes all over the place, you cant stand watch over all of them at once, and you cant very well call someone a thief if they find one of your plots unguarded. Even IF someone is standing there, you have no way of knowing if they were there for 5 seconds or an hour, especially if you just arrived. Anyone can SAY "I planted, they're mine", you just need to be willing to take their word for it when asked, since they did, at the very least, beat you there.
    Bottom line: don't steal, but don't leave yourself open either, and just because you didn't plant/tend doesn't mean your not entitled to harvest.
    It's just common sense, people.
    Posted 12 months ago by airplay Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There is private property to be stolen. Sorry is you think otherwise. The CGs are public but the seeds you plant, the bat poo that you have gathered and use and the plants that grow from those all belong to you and no one else. Because something sprouts in a public garden dores NOT make it free to take if it is being tended. If none are there, help yourself and replant. If someone is standing by, ask first. Plants take a long time to grow and yes, it is tiresome and boring to stand guard. This is why theft of the plants is such a great issue. If you cannot cooperate in a public location, find another game where rudeness and misery are part of the gameplay. Just my opinion but I know that many agree.
    Posted 12 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
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