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Hopes for more peace and good will in Wickdoon Mood

On a deadend street very near my house in Groddle Meadow, 4 wood trees were long ago planted in the 4 tree spots by a group calling itself Wickdoon Wood Preserve. Recently, some kind of wood tree war has broken out with a couple of avatars poisoning all the wood trees in Glitch, including those on Wickdoon Mood.

Anyway, people in WWP (a group that now includes me) have been hearing a lot of feedback form the community about wood trees on Wickdoon Mood. Obviously people with wood quests like to be able to find at least one wood tree in very good condition somewhere. On the other hand, a street with only wood treees means that pigs will starve unless fed.

I proposed to the WWP group, and so far everybody in the group liked the idea, that in the future we try to keep 3 wood trees only in Wickdoon Mood. When I say "try to keep" I mean that other players obviously also have quests to kill trees, plant trees, etc. Other players have just as much right to poison a wood tree and replace it with another bean tree as I have to poison a bean tree and plant a wood bean, on any public street in Glitch including Wickdoon Mood.

So I can't dictate to anybody what trees they should or shouldn't poison, but I personally would like to respond to those who worry about hungry pigs while keeping a few wood trees in good condition in one public and predictable deadend street.

///Correction (see below): I was mistaken: Wickdoon Mood got its wood trees before any group formed to promote them. See for instance www.glitch.com/locations/LC...

Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • brb killing trees.
    Posted 12 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Just a couple of points.
    [Removed by staff] This can be fixed by our people moving them on and using the Youth Potion.

    Second we don't have a bad rep as far as I am aware, we do have issues based on the actions of others. [Removed] These don't constitute us having a bad rep, I feel that we are helping the people concerned about the pig because of the others actions when it would be easier to deal with actions of those creating the issue. Thus pig removal and placement in a better place.

    Maybe we should contact the pig protection group and ask for their help with this explaining what [Removed] is doing.

    I am sure even if they don't agree with our position as Wickdoon Wood Preserve they will agree to help with the protection of the pigs.

    Thirdly if after a few weeks this doesn't fix the problem, which I suspect it will not. I would like to go back to 4x4.
    Posted 12 months ago by Bzzzt Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Continued belief that your small group is the appropriate group to decide and control what happens on a public street is most certainly creating a bad reputation.

    Continued behavior that supports that belief, such as not allowing any other player to plant anything but wood trees there, and poisoning everything that anyone plants that is not a wood tree is creating a bad reputation.

    Whatever your motives and beliefs, appropriating any public asset (like a tree patch) and not allowing any player who disagrees with your beliefs to plant there is creating a bad reputation.

    The problem is a small group of players who are attempting to control a public resource.  The problem will be fixed when your group comes up with a better way to implement your idea and stop trying to keep everyone else in the game from freely planting on a public street.  

    You are behaving just like the folks who think that planting in Community Garden plot gives them the right to decide who can harvest it.  The signs there apply to streets as well:  ANYONE CAN PLANT.
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 WindBorn. I would also like to add here, being splanked and mooned and told to leave because you poisoned a tree for a quest creates a bad reputation. I don't trust the WWP due to this behavior toward me.
    Posted 12 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • WindBorn, that's essentially what I said in the last wood tree thread, and I'll repost it here:

    "I'm not part of the "Wickdoon Mood Preserve Group", but part of a wood tree group that I thought was just out for planting wood trees in some areas and taking care of them, or just enjoying them as they wish.

    I think the main issue is that there's a few people who want to dictate what goes on in a game that's so open. Unless it was a dev that specifically said "Wickdoon Mood is for wood trees" people will fight that. This is a game where anything goes, as long as one's following the rules, and there's no rule about what trees can go in what spot. It's not about 4 of the same kind of trees being planted on a street, it's about a group of people who want to control the situation and the area, and a group of people who are fighting against that.

    Personally speaking, I would think as long as one tree is non wood on the street that it would be fine, since theres piggies on the street, and in case people've forgotten, piggies don't eat off of wood trees. I found one place over a month or so ago that was planted all wood up in Besara, and those trees stuck around there for weeks before they were slowly replaced but there was NO pigs there, so it was fine. There's loads of streets in this game, it's not like people can't find some other areas, plant like a couple of wood trees as long as there's other trees there to feed the pigs.

    I like the diversity of trees and the trees in general, no matter what kind they are, but personally, I think this has gone on for far too long and people might want to step back and take a good look at how much this is more like someone controlling the sandbox and saying "You can't cross this line! MY SANDBOX!" like little bully kids do."

    All may plant, and all may harvest, but dictating what goes on street and not the others isn't very nice, and can be pretty childish.
    Posted 12 months ago by Ayasta Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Casombra, [removed] did that during the time wickdoon was fresh and all, ever since he got a wrist slap, we really haven't done anything.
    Posted 12 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Anyone can plant applies to the WWP as well as their opponents.  If they happen to be organized, more power to them.  I can't for the life of me imagine what others find so upsetting about a group trying to maintain wood trees in a place where wood trees are hard to maintain.  Sounds like interesting player-driven content to me.  

    On the other hand, splanking and harassing someone into leaving likely violates the community guidelines.  But it's never a good idea to infer that the behavior of a few describes the behavior of a group they belong to.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, I also can't for the life of me imagine why people would be upset if virtual pigs virtually die.  But at least I understand the anti-wood tree feelings now.  

    If all you're upset about is pigs dying, then their pig relocations should solve any of your issues.  
    Meh, I really don't care.  I think I've been to that street twice.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whoa there Rook, I the only person I ever splanked was psibertus and that was a 1 time occurrence.
    Posted 12 months ago by epid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • We feed the pigs, and ty saucelah for pointing that out! Sorry Epid that's what she said you did, that's why I said it.

    But that doesn't matter to me ... long past what has happened.
    Posted 12 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Seriously, what is the issue with letting people have their fun? As far as I know (after checking the wiki), Wickdoon doesn't have a housing area associated with it, so if you need beans/fruit/bubbles/whatever, why not just go one street over? I do not understand why this is such a Thing.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's a Thing in the same way that mining and the community gardens and kids playing glitch are Things.

    It's the internet. People like to argue.  http://xkcd.com/386/
    Posted 12 months ago by Feylin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It did happen epid whether you remember or not but it is all past. However I am in agreement that a few players dictating one street wrong.  Sure plant what you want to plant but don't expect other players to agree with it or replant it all. Standing there in shifts and patrols,  and calling others a griefer among other harassing comments is not in keeping of the Community Guidelines.
    Posted 12 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Let me see if I understand this clearly.

    We had a 4 page thread on this topic before Christmas.  All sides presented their views and essentially we've 'agreed to disagree' on the topic.  The thread went on and on and on to exhaustion.

    Then someone decides today to open a fresh new thread on the topic.  They obviously side strongly with one 'side' in the controversey.  So much so that they don't even have the consideration to refer to their opponents as people: "a couple of avatars poisoning all the wood trees" is apparently all the respect that will be extended.  As far as the complex issues at hand are concerned their OP stresses one tangental sub-issue that is part of the controversy, completely ignoring the core issues as seen by the 'avatars' who they disagree with.

    It isn't a surprising development, but it is disappointing.

    I know more than one person who has been polarized by the ridiculous way this issue has spiraled on and on and on to the point where they've adopted a 'kill all wood trees' approach.  Not because they inherently dislike wood trees, but because a lot of us have had it up to here with the sanctimony surrounding a type of 'rare endangered' tree species that anybody who has botany can create the beans for in a minute or so.  The wood trees aren't 'rare and endangered.'  You are kidding yourself if you think you're 'helping the newbies' by waging this zealous battle.  You're just being adventurists and creating a spectacle.
    Posted 12 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm curious what the core issues are to the people who oppose the preserve, honestly. I do not understand why this is even an argument, much less as bitter as it apparently is.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The key issue is that a small sanctimonious 'group' should not allowed to 'take over a street' and dictate what EVERY tree growing on it will be.  Nothing more.

    It's trolling with patches and seasoned beans is what it is.
    Posted 12 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nobody is taking over anything. Nobody can take over anything. There is a public street. Everyone is free to plant there. Then there are a very small number of angry people yelling because not everybody wants to plant the same kind of bean. Then there are other people joining in yelling at everyone on the side they don't favor, including those who are trying to make peace, accusing them of being angry people who want to tell others what to do.

    My post attempted to be respectful of all and to try to bring harmony to more people than are experiencing it now.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Parrow Gnolle I very much like how you think and argue and as a sign of my appreciation I have extended the hand (*cough* request *cough*) of friendship.
    Posted 12 months ago by Merope Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But....I still don't get it. It's one street. If there are jerks there, block them and move on. I don't see why everyone is getting all riled up over a single street.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I would also like to add that members of WWP are not on the street in shifts or patrols. This is a misrepresentation of what the group does and wants based on conflicts that happened between a few avatars in the past.

    Members of WWP have a group chat which is mostly social. Members drop by Wickdoon Mood to socialize, to feed the pigs (when the street was all wood), and to fertilidust so the trees are in good condition for the maximum harvest quest. Many hours of the day you can go there and find not one glitch besides yourself. You may, however, find a street "under guard" by somebody who is enforcing zero wood trees.

    The street has been replanted as 4 bean trees many times over in just the past few days, with one bean-planting enthusiast there guarding to prevent anybody from replacing even one bean tree with wood. In the few hours since I posted the first attempted olive-branch comment and now, all 3 wood trees were killed and replanted as bubbles. And the people who did that have a right to do that. My wish is not to dictate to anybody what they can't plant. It is only a statement by me, with which many but not all members of WWP support, that it is a good idea to have one non-wood tree. I wish those who disagree were equally content to have at least one wood tree.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My point exactly Shiromisa.  

    I've made it my own personal mission to leave the streets in my neighborhood balanced.  If there are 4 plots, I make sure two are fruit and two are bean.  If I recruited others to help me, we still wouldn't have "taken over the streets."  We'd just have better odds of getting things the way we like them for longer periods of time.  

    It works both ways.  They are free to plant and attempt to maintain wood trees if doing so entertains them.  Similarly, if having wood trees there upsets you, for whatever inexplicable reason, you are free to poison them and plant something else.  Just don't be surprised if someone from WWP immediately slaps antidote down causing you to waste the poison, and even if you succeed, don't be surprised if your tree is replaced by wood next time.  

    Neither side should take it personal.  This is just how the game works.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Neither 'side' should take it personally.  But there really aren't two 'sides.'  Just different tendencies and attitudes all over a spectrum.
    Posted 12 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A similar story:  

    There is a street in a cave region where I hang out with many good friends.  We really don't like animals there.  Before potions, we just had to deal with them, so we gave them names like "Energy Sucker" and "Obstacle"  

    Now we can clear the animals, but there are some newer people hanging in the area that like animals and have recently started reintroducing them to the street.  If I get the chance to talk to one of these players about this, I will not be upset or demand they stop releasing them.  I will simply point out that there are many players that frequent the street that do not like dealing with animals when they mine, so ultimately, by releasing the animals, they are just providing those with youth potions with free animal babies.  Er mostly free, youth potion takes resources of course.  By approaching politely, I actually feel I am doing a favor -- they might decide they are wasting resources releasing animals that will not stick around and instead will release them somewhere else they regularly visit.  

    Or not.  It's up to them.  I just make sure I carry youth potion, just as I'm sure the WWP members try to carry poison and antidote.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • anyone who really believes the "peace and goodwill" of the wood "preservists" should go down onto that street and hear the language they use.

    this week alone i have been called "troll", "griefer", "imbecile", "idiot", "fucking idiot", and "jerk".

    the first two i don't hardly notice since these are terms people glibly hand around to label anyone who plays in a way they don't like.

    a player totally unaware of the contention in the street came by and made a little ephemeral rainbow out of fruit and left a note asking people to leave it be. i watched her do it.

    as soon as a group of "preservists" came by, i watched them take all her fruit.

    and of course, there is no pig preserve group. i make money on streets where there's a lot of pigs. meat sells better than sparkly.

    the "preservists" will tell you themselves that they don't care about trees, but controlling that street.

    and they will tell you in their greasy, insincere way that all are welcome and that you are no bother at all to them but then if you actually TALK to them you get the same old tired lines about "we're just trying to make a better, more peaceful world" at the same time they tell you that in their private group they all hate you. and call you "pain in the ass" and worse.

    two-faced and hiding behind "the trees! we're here to protect trees!" but when it comes down to brass tacks they don't care about the trees and anyone who goes to look can see it and the bottom line: a group of people have taken it upon themselves to decide for the rest of us what can and cannot be grown on a public street.

    they are not above namecalling and harassment, all the while smarmily gladhanding their false civic service.

    i used to be a great planter of wood trees, a leaver of polite notes describing how to care for them if people so wished.

    the day i came into wickodoon to dust them as i usually did and was met with a group of preservists who informed me that they'd taken over and splanked me and called me names right out of the gate because i harvested before i dusted was the day i decided that this was not a group that should be operating freely in the world.

    "why not one other tree? that would be good forestry practice" was met with the assertion that this group had taken a vote and decided that it should be all wood.

    the same group that alleges to be happy to hand feed their friends the pigs speaks for itself when they give the animals names like "pigs deserve to die" and then name the pigs after me.

    speaking of which, did i get called out by name in this thread? isn't that poor form?

    you want to know what the preserve group is really up to while they're spouting unskilled psychobabble and groupthink guilt, you go down to that street and watch them behave.

    you will perhaps come to understand how i went from caring for all the wood trees to killing every one i can find.

    when this group stops its velvety-smooth smiling steaming pile of mendacious goody-goodying imposed rule, you will find that wood trees are an altogether more common resource.

    "wood trees are rare!" they said. "we have to protect them! we have to force everybody to accept our protection! we get to decide what's best for everybody! and then we're going to cry about peace and goodwill and make everybody who opposes us out to be against what's good for everybody! because we alone know what's best for everybody!"

    wood trees are much more rare now than they ever were. if you really care about the trees, you'll just let it go.

    remove the unwanted thing and you will find that wood trees grow everywhere.
    Posted 12 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ...whoa. What.

    I think you may be taking this a tad too seriously, dude.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The devs did hint at group halls at some point. It would give space for a wood tree hall with nothing but wood trees as far as the eye can see.
    Posted 12 months ago by jiva Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Though I did get the impression that group streets would be mostly private, perhaps some could be public.  

    But if they are private, it would kill the group's reasoning of making wood trees easier to find for others.  

    Of course, I really don't see the point -- I just direct new players looking for wood trees to here: http://glitch.alwaysdata.net/
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Look, I live in Lavu Lane in Andra. We have ONE tree there. You guys should just enjoy the luxury of having so many public patches at your disposal.
    Posted 12 months ago by Rammi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I do like finding wood trees in Wickdoon Mood. My thought is every other tree wood, would be nice, imo. Eventually I will be down to needing wood achievements, tree removal achievements, tree planting achievements, and tree anti-doting achievements - and I'm thinking Wickdoon Mood might be a good street to do those on...
    Posted 12 months ago by gimmegames Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I haven't been part of the tree wars, but I've wondered if  (instead of claiming a street for four wood trees and guarding it in shifts) the group would consider buying a 50K house with four tree plots.  The same guards could man the house and let people in/out when they need access to the trees.  The tree preserve would flourish and no one would have their panties in a twist about dictating others' gameplay on either side of the argument.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Sloppy Ketchup Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It was nice to be able to find wood trees consistently.  Heck, even Live Help would mention Wickdoon if people were looking for wood trees.
    Posted 12 months ago by MontytheGeek Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am a WWP member. I have never splanked or called a  Wickdoon visitor names. I go there about once per session to dust the trees that need it, and pet and water them. I feed the piggies. I am glad there are wood trees there.  I think others find it helpful too.  
    I agree with dotcom, and I will continue to help replant wood trees in three of the four patches in Wickdoon so that people can find healthy, harvestable wood trees there. I am not dictating to anyone what they should do, and I do not feel sanctimonious. I am not going to fight a war against other glitchen or any other trees.  As far as I am concerned, anyone can come to Wickdoon and harvest or plant, just as I do. I just want to take care of a few wood trees.  I do not want world domination.
    Posted 12 months ago by bludwaggie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Why not also find a handful of other places, hm?
    I would be able to help you find a place for that very reason, on the groddle island, too! just give me some time. if you are "down" with this, please IM me (best if you mail me) in the game. 
    Posted 12 months ago by Avariella Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry but I am pretty much in agreement with flask's statement because I too have been a recipient of those sort of behaviors on that street. Not as bad as flask but nevertheless I have not only experienced it but have also witnessed it on other players. Keep up the good work flask, maybe they will wake up someday and realize they have no right to bully others in this game on a public street.
    Posted 12 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am stunned by the level of passion that this ongoing Wickdoon Mood soap opera generates.

    I find it nice and convenient to have a cluster of well-tended wood trees in one street. What's so horrible about that? No one can "enforce" tree plantings. But I really don't see the harm in a little grove of wood trees.

    If some glitchen have been mean, obnoxious, or rude, report them. Otherwise: wtf?
    Posted 12 months ago by Pascale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A very small number of players have had a bad experience with other people on Wickdoon Mood.

    I certainly did not enjoy being insulted by [removed] when I tried to interest him in a peaceful solution, nor did I consider in good taste his offering 1,000-currant bounties to enlist other people in killing wood trees or  his repeated boast that he had killed every wood tree in Glitch, including those in housing districts.  I have not called flask any names, splanked him, or otherwise insulted him. I tried to interest him in a mixed-tree solution for Wickdoon Mood but his response was "It is too late for that." He told me he would continue to kill every wood tree everywhere in Glitch unless his demands were met that no wood tree ever would be permitted in Wickdoon Mood.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • dotcom, you tried to interest someone other than me in a mixed tree solution, [removed]

    i asked for mixed tree solutions from the start and was told that it wasn't in your interests and that you had all voted against and i said it would be war on all wood trees forever.

    your people cheerfully told me that was just fine.

    now that it isn't going so well for you it is too late to suggest the thing i had been asking for before. i gave you notice well enough in advance what was going to happen but your cheerful happy little band told me it was no bother at all and that i should keep on going because they were getting rich off of it and it amused them besides.

    it was your people who opened a disingenuous forum thread that we all saw through. it was your people who made it personal. it is you that brings up another false thread about peace.

    i remember how your people came in to taunt me when i'd held wickodoon woodless for fifteen hours running.  "we've moved to another street and have taken it over!" they chirped. "what will you do now?"

    to set the record straight, since you are wrong about this as about nearly everything else: i never bragged that i had killed all of the residential trees, just the regular streets. i then threatened to start the residential streets.

    it was less of a boast and more of a tactic. i tried reasoning with the preservists and was shot down. i tried making them see that i could use their behavior for my personal enrichment but was cheerfully told to go ahead and get rich. so far the only thing that seems to make any difference at all is the wholesale killing of every wood tree i can find, which is going pretty well so far.

    today alone it netted me 20k currants.

    i look forward to your next insincere offer of friendship, peace, and protests of your general goodness, which we all know to be as shallow as a parking lot puddle on a sunny day and just about as appealing.

    i am less insulted by outright hostility than i am the smarmy gladhanding and false welcome that drips off of you like grease from a fryer fan on an august afternoon.

    anyone who actually cares about wood preservation at this point should step down off the boat or be ready for a long grind.
    Posted 12 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I got no problem forgetting about the insults levelled at me in the past, in some cases I haven't helped the situation by being an ass and I can understand why some get mad at me.

    But the issue still remains, the group is still dictating to everyone else what should be planted in Wickdoon Mood, and have expanded to other streets just to spite Flask. Another issue is that pigs don't get fed when there is only wood trees [unless fed manually] but if I pick up the "food" that wood tree enthusiasts are leaving for the pigs I get insulted. This problem is created by them so I suggest maybe planting a non wood tree but again I just get trolled and insulted even more.

    It is about control, and hasn't been about doing a public service for a long time. If the group really cared, they would come up with a less controversial strategy and I would would go do something else with my gaming time, as would others like flask.

    is THAT so much to ask ? many talk about us being unreasonable but is it so unreasonable for them to maybe plant 2-3 wood in a few streets in Groddle and manage those ?
    Posted 12 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Flask, I was unaware of the episode when you recently "held wickodoon woodless for fifteen hours running" and had no part in what other avatars said to you on that occasion. Planting wood trees on a different street sounds like a reasonable response on their part.

    I don't think your rampaging around Glitch killing wood trees everywhere is a reasonable response to your unhappiness, which encompasses both the people who get angry with you and those like me who try to treat you as we would like to be treated ourselves.

    By the way, I had assumed that it was one of the wood-tree killers who gave the pigs names like "I'm starving" "I can't eat wood" and "kill me now"; imagine my surprise to hear someone attribute those ugly names to the wood-tree fans who were keeping pigs fed.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This entire thread not only makes me sad, but it embarrasses me that Glitch has come to this.  I deal with nasty crap from people all day long. I really thought Glitch was different, but really it was just Beta. 

    How pitiful.  Do we really want the game to go in this direction, really?  Does all this back and forth make you feel better about you, the game, and the people you are associate with? 

    Honestly, it seems VERY middle school and I cant help but wonder if some of you act like this in your every day life, outside of Glitch.

    There is a book called "The Likability Factor", I feel I must recommend this book.  It might help.
    Posted 12 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh nice way to switch it around Dotcom.....

    they didn't JUST plant trees on another street, they used it as a threat against flask, went and did it and then came back and gloated. One member of the group also threatened to kill all the trees on my street...of which there are none :)

    tell me what exactly has that got to do with providing a public service? 
    Posted 12 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I for one would like to take Innie's advice and end the back and forth TLDR. I didn't start this thread to attack you or flask, and I regret that I have been drawn into answering anyone's accusations. No good can come of trading insults and accusations.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you Dotcom :)  That is VERY Glitchy of you.

    *hugs*
    Posted 12 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well the group has made it clear their is no room for negotiation so of course their will be a back n forth debate on this. Like I said above, I am happy to move past the insulting, trolling, griefing etc and focus on a peaceful resolution, I have also said I will walk away from Wickdoon Mood AND stop killing wood trees if they reduce the amount of wood trees to 2-3 and stop killing the other trees. 

    I want to be reasonable, some don't. 
    Posted 12 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Stepping away from the flames: I think one of the pressing issues for TS is the question of how to handle these elements of emergent gameplay, and whether they're willing to create programmatic backup for player-generated elements like the status of Wickdoon Mood as the place that answers the recurrent question of "where do I find a wood tree?"

    If emergent gameplay in shared spaces gets crapped upon repeatedly by lowest-common denominator inclinations (i.e. that trees in one street in one region end up just like trees in any other street in that region) then players will eventually give up in frustration. I don't think that's healthy for Glitch's long-term future, but I'm also wary of situations where "the done thing" gets locked in too tightly.

    stoot is on record as saying that rejigging the late game is the big reason for the return to beta, and I hope that TS can come up with ways to acknowledge player-initiated gameplay in public spaces, because right now, I'm not really comfortable with a status quo in which all attempts at doing so is essentially worthless.
    Posted 12 months ago by Holgate Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I like and admire what you just said a lot, psibertus. Can't be more coherent than that now since it's late at night here, and besides I have probably posted way too much already TLDR.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I want to be reasonable, some don't.

    Keep telling yourself that and it might make it true. Eventually.
    Posted 12 months ago by Holgate Subscriber! | Permalink
  • lol you are mad because you wanna kill the beans and plant wood yet somehow what I am doing is completely different and deserving of your scorn.

    half the problem right there ^^
    Posted 12 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Because Global is always full of people asking where to find a bean tree, and there's nothing better than solitary players with a mission to crap all over the few bits of emergent gameplay in the game's public spaces. Gotcha.
    Posted 12 months ago by Holgate Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Keep telling yourself [removed] that YOU and only the few that want to plant wood trees up the ying yang and calling it a "service" with sickening sweet honey dripping off your lips, then turning around splanking, mooning, griefing, verbally attacking others that come along and poison the wood trees in a public space. Gotcha.
    Posted 12 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
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