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Use of animals as food

As a vegan, I disagree with the use of animals as food or any other purpose.

I got to the part where the character pets the pig and then gets a pork chop from him, and I thought that was not cool.

Getting a pork chop means killing the pig = violence. Not cool.

This game is going to take off in a big way. Can't we use that to promote non-violence to all living beings? Please.

Ahimsa
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahimsa

Regards

Sylvia Garassino
Johannesburg, South Africa

Posted 24 months ago by Scrybl Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • ...wait, Guillermo Gamera, were you kidding or not? can't tell ;)
    Posted 18 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • PLEASE. OPEN. THE. GAME. NOOOOWWWWW!

    Glitches are bumping old dead and demeaning threads. OTHER GLITCH ACTIVITY, such as playing the game, REQUIRED IMMEDIATELY.

    I am going to go eat a steak now. Rare.
    Posted 18 months ago by Mac Rapalicious Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @glum pudding That pic was from 2006. It is entirely possible that OP changed her eating since then. #justsaying

    And dang...I guess I should have caught that this is an OLD ARSE thread bumped by @Cupcake!!  I feel the hook in my mouth.......where's the line and sinker?!?!
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Maybe it's a Tofurkey leg.

    Also, I had Korean BBQ TWICE this weekend. And I'm a huge fan of Churrascarias/Brazilian BBQ.

    But I'm really fond of vegetarians. Vegans, too, but I really like to date vegetarian boys for some reason, lol.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Cerulean

    I'm fond of people. I don't care what they eat. As long as they don't nibble my legs and expect me to give them a side of me for making Awesome Geek Stew later.

    Hey -- why don't we have like Zombie Cows in this game?

    ETA -- I'm not used to seeing fake bones in a non-meat product... *snicker
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Cupcake - I think the fact that I used the word "meatatarian" should make it clear that my post was meant to be ironic.
    Posted 18 months ago by Tofu Casserole Subscriber! | Permalink
  • > Getting a pork chop means killing the pig = violence. Not cool.

    Those pigs don't look dead to me.  Maybe they're zombies.
    Posted 18 months ago by mirth Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ah, but Guillermo!! Irony is only clear to folks with the same frame of reference! And even then - not so much.

    Tone and intent is hard to tell from forum posts and IM. Unless you know someone, it is often hard to know with certainty the seriousness of the post.
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm all for more choices in the game...in many areas of the game...I think there should be vegan tracks, and a better variety of critters (Bambi, Bo Peep's Sheep, etc) to nibble since some find pigs taboo...but because of their preferences for game play, they should not be forced down one single track.

    I think people should be able to express differing points of view without getting bashed, mocked, or told to go elsewhere...if the devs opt to integrate more points of view/options, the game won't be watered down, but will likely appeal to a broader audience, and will allow more options for people to build a unique game experience based on their personal preferences. Currently this game is NOT for the masses, but is built for those that have similar views as the devs or who can work around aspects of the game that they have issues with...however, the game itself doesn't allow for the players to customize their world based on their preferences...and sadly, I thought that was the point of the game...

    "Play Glitch and you'll have a chance to shape the world, to form it into wherever your imagination takes you."  (from the Glitch About page)

    And for the record, I'm a carnivore...but think vegans should have choices too...
    Posted 18 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh @mirth! Zombeh Piggeh??

    Maybe that's what happens if they eat the purple flowers. I wanted to feed my piggies purple flowers but it wasn't an option. 
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 beachy!
    Posted 18 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I dislike the chickens because, even though they actually like being squozed or whatever, they still complain. A lot.
    Posted 18 months ago by KitkatCat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So @b3achy - the devs should program for every religion and every political view and every type of diet? Is that reasonable or even practical? I don't think it's supportable on any real scale.

    I have yet to see a 100% customizable experience in a game of any kind. I can't see how it is sustainable or supportable, let alone marketable. 

    You don't have to nibble the pigs. You don't have to eat the meat. You don't have to harvest the eggs. You don't have to drink the butterfly milk or eat the cheese. There is pasta. There is grain. There is rice. There are sauces that aren't meat based. That's already a choice any player can make. No one forces you to eat meat in the game.
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I dislike the Rook because it's a stupid bird and it's evil and it's mean to the other animals.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • > Actually I think it would be interesting to have a vegetarian(or other -rian) path- if that wouldn't feel too much like ripping off KoL.

    KoL is actually ripping off nethack, in that regard.  I think that'd be very interesting in Glitch!  I like the idea of self-imposed restricted gameplay.  Maybe an athiest track where you don't donate to Giants for a certain number of days, a vegetarian track where you don't use any food that uses meat as an ingredient, geophiles who don't ever mine, etc...
    Posted 18 months ago by mirth Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I thought this thread was a troll...

    I think I should be able to systematically chop up parts of the pigs and chickens before I eat them.

    Inhumanely. So tasty and violent.
    Posted 18 months ago by nonpromqueen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lets face it - everyone has an opinion. If this game tried to accomodate to each and every one....there would be no game.

    I bet the giants are shaking their heads at us right now :-{
    Posted 18 months ago by Stormy Weather Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mirth, wouldn't some geophiles mine excessively? Lol.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @G33kgurrl - Not true! It's easy to see the irony in books like Huckleberry Finn, despite the fact that our frame of reference is quite vastly different from that of Mark Twain. Irony depends on the context that it is presented in. Perhaps the reason it wasn't clear was because I'm just not a very good satirist.
    Posted 18 months ago by Tofu Casserole Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Guillermo - cultural references - some of which are learned through literature - seem to be the shared frame of reference by many and more correctly written - what I was referencing.

    One of the biggest gaps I encounter in dealing with our overseas partners is the lack of common cultural - pop and otherwise - references. 
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @g33kgurrl...so the only choices we get are to not do things...great...so because I might feel one way, I now am limited by the quests I can accomplish, or the badges I can earn. But fair enough...and as I said, some people have to find ways to play around things they have issues with...ie, don't do those things...because they don't offer true options (ie, parallel tracks) in the game.

    IMO, if they don't want to take into account all those things, then they shouldn't promote that the game is customizable to your imagination...or they shouldn't have aspects of the game that requires them to take into account so many things.  And frankly, I didn't say it had to take into account ALL points of view/religions/diets, but at least offer more choices than either do it their way or don't do it at all.  Maybe today, I am tired of nibbling pigs and just want some venison for a change...

    I think since this thread originally appeared - 6 months ago, they probably have added a lot more recipes, mainly the ones you highlighted...which is a good start to providing some options...however, the quests still require things to be done by a specific script (and I believe some require preparing meat dishes)...I'd like to have options within the quests even (eg, prepare 3 of the following 6 things).
    Posted 18 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • smh.

    PLEASE OPEN THE GAME!
    Posted 18 months ago by Mac Rapalicious Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @b3achy I understand what you're saying. But there are also those who will take issue with Hell or gods or splanking or alcohol. Maybe I'm alcoholic and playing the game full of hootch and beer makes me uncomfortable. Should that be accounted for as well? 

    No matter how much a game is limited only by the bounds of one's imagination, there will always be a finite number of choices and options - at least in today's world. I think people get that - most at any rate.

    I am calling hooves up because I realize I can't sway the opinion of anyone firmly grounded in their position. The discussion is good and it helps to exchange ideas on these things. I just wonder where the bounds are. Because they are there whether people like the idea or not.
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've been a vegetarian, bordering on vegan, since 1995 but nibbling piggies doesn't bother me. They're pixels.
    I'm also a pacifist but I play violent video games, chopping off heads of pixels.
    I also make game characters who are nothing like me, some of them are religious nuts, some of them are 100% heterosexual, some of them like wearing pink. It doesn't mean that I am any of those things.
    Games are not real life.
    If you can't make this distinction.... ok, I'm not going there.
    Posted 18 months ago by Fussycat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Scrybl - as much as I like to joke and make fun, a game that promotes non-violence and kindness towards all living beings would be pretty cool. Why not make one yourself? I'd love to help out, I happen to be a Buddhist myself as well as an amateur game designer.
    Posted 18 months ago by Tofu Casserole Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Games may not be real life but there's still a line you shouldn't cross. Granted, free speech may allow for games to be made that promote (not just include, but actually PROMOTE) the lynching of black individuals, the stoning of queer individuals, and the abuse of women, but that doesn't make it okay and it doesn't mean people don't know how to separate games from real life. Of course, none of those things would ever happen in Glitch (via actually game functions, though there will be individuals playing the game that will feel these are appropriate things) but it's definitely something to be considered.

    On a lighter note, I do like going around renaming animals things like "Gaga," "Cher," Madonna," "Celine," "Bette," "Barbra," etc.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am a vegetarian and have no issues with nibbling on pigs. In fact, I'm still trying to build up a campaign to get the devs to allow us to eat the chickens. Especially the creepy, ladder climbing chickens.
    Posted 18 months ago by Essie Kitten Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @g33kgurrl...yep...and I too can't sway anyone either...all we can do is express our opinions...and it's up to the devs to choose which they listen to and which they ignore.  And then it's up the individual players to chose whether or not they can live with those decisions or not.

    @Fussycat, I don't think it's that people can't make the distinction...some choose to check reality at the door when they play a game...others chose to not compromise their RL beliefs/preferences for a bunch of pixels.  Neither are right or wrong. Different people choose to play different ways.  I don't think it's a matter that they can't comprehend the difference between RL and a game.
    Posted 18 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry, guillermo, it's just that I've barely spoken to/read your responses before, and there are lots of people with crazy weird opinions in this game, and you could have been one of them ;)
    Posted 18 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I respect people who become vegetarians, but I can never bring myself to become one. My iron deficiency anaemia just makes me crave anything with iron, and that's also usually bundled with protein. As a result, I often have a craving for meat, especially seafood. And yes, your nutritional needs can impact your sense of taste in a big way. Become dehydrated and you'll see that everything except water tastes like it has enough salt to give you a kidney stone. Wikipedia has a very interesting article on distortion of taste, referred to as dysgeusia.

    Anyway, I don't think anything done in Glitch with regards to treatment of animals has been done distastefully. Of course that doesn't stop me from feeling weird about smashing that Rook egg.
    Posted 18 months ago by Liridona Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I respect people who become vegetarians, but I can never bring myself to become one."

    THIS.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've been a vegetarian with vegan tendencies for over half my life. I find the pig nibbling funny (and it does not kill the pig, the pig walks away), as well as the chicken squeezing and the butterfly milking. So, really, there is no killing animals for food in this game. I don't see the problem.
    Posted 18 months ago by Eureka Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Please, please let this thread die, this thing was months ago and there was way more drama then necessary. 
    Posted 18 months ago by Ani Laurel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • They stabbed it with their steely knives but they just couldn't kill the beast...

    Oh. 

    Crap.

    That kind of defeats the purpose of kindness to animals.

    Sorry.

    <bad geek feeling cheeky>
    Posted 18 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • LOL

     + 1000 <3 g33kgurrl
    Posted 18 months ago by NutMeg Botwin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If real life were Glitchier, and meat could be obtained merely by nibbling happy pigs, would vegetarians-for-moral-reasons even exist?  I think not.  Glitch has solved the hunger crisis!  Next stop: world peace.
    Posted 18 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i kind of thought it was cruel to see the chickens suffering after a rook attack. It would be kinder if they turned into a bucket of fried chicken.
    Posted 18 months ago by Kyinda Subscriber! | Permalink
  • mmmmm fried chicken...........

    sorry bit 'peckish'
    Posted 18 months ago by Accy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Pigs are OK to eat but we need some Cows too.
    Posted 18 months ago by James Backstab Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Granted, free speech may allow for games to be made that promote (not just include, but actually PROMOTE) the lynching of black individuals, the stoning of queer individuals, and the abuse of women, but that doesn't make it okay and it doesn't mean people don't know how to separate games from real life.

    Ouch, Cerulean. That's taking it too far. I was talking about generally socially acceptable things like eating meat or religion.
    Posted 18 months ago by Fussycat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • the devs should program for every religion and every political view and every type of diet?

    I don't think that's ever been the request.... but it sure would be nice if there was an option for the half the world who have beliefs with very specific attitudes towards pork.It's not just religion but if you think about Islam and Judaism, those numbers alone even out with Christianity. How about the millions of Buddhist and Hindi followers? I don't eat pork because it's possible to swap out internal organs with pigs. Something about that just doesn't sit right with me, but I'm neither a vegetarian and I certainly am not religious. Pity any reference to religion and personally held beliefs is going to be met with 'it's just a game' rather than a wider understanding of non-North American cultures.

    I like this idea not for any social, political, or dietary stance.
    I like it because it brings more options into the world. It brings more variety, more to do.
    Posted 18 months ago by Sweet Pea Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Then join me in the campaign for cows!
    Posted 18 months ago by James Backstab Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The cows just have one thing to say, "Squeaz moar chikin."
    Posted 18 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I turned vegetarian at the age of 12 for moral reasons. I have never even tried pork before, because my parents don't eat it. I never had the chance to have it before becoming a vegetarian. And I eat pork in Glitch. I'd even go as far as to say, I eat vicariously through my glitchling. 

    I do think the standpoints of different cultures should be taken into consideration here, but how much do you really want the devs to do? There ARE options for people from a variety of cultures. Cherries, for example. People don't have to nibble pigs and eat meat if they don't want to! They don't even have to eat, if they have a focusing orb! 

    Perhaps anyone that feels so strongly against the way animals are treated in the game should grab a quill, some paper and write protest notes? Start a group? Glitchlings for the Ethical Treatment of Animals? It is impossible to please everyone entirely, so the best that can be done is to provide the options to lead different lifestyles, and they have been provided.
    Posted 18 months ago by Xacau Feera Blin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • what is the trollishest thing i could say right now???
    Posted 18 months ago by IxÆoN Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Maybe TS could create a vegetarian badge, like the opposite of the meat eater badge?
    Posted 18 months ago by A Magical Unicorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lmao, the trolliest thing I can think of might not be applicable to you, Ix.

    Someone seemed rather bothered by the fact that, during a project, there was lots of meat on the ground and I said:

    "Anyone mind if I take this meat?"
    Immediately followed by
    "THAT'S WHAT SE SAID!"

    They responded with "you can go ahead and have your dirty meat" and then "not cool" after I LOLed. LOL.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If we're not supposed to eat meat, why do pigs taste like bacon?
    Posted 18 months ago by Vicereine Linnæa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I cannot believe this is even being discussed.  They aren't real pigs.  It isn't real meat. This type of attitude is what gets people arrested for reading coming books in which a drawing has illustrated "sex" on paper.  http://www.japanator.com/man-arrested-for-manga-collection-the-comic-book-legal-defense-fund-will-take-the-case--8753.phtml

    I'm a vegetarian myself, and find it hysterical that the pigs give up meat.  It's a game.  It's fantasy.  But if it upsets you, do what you do in real life and stick to eating cartoon animated vegetables.
    Posted 17 months ago by Jifka Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Liridona:  I agree about the tastes changing!  I was a vegetarian for 4 months until I started having major major meat cravings.  It didn't have to do with missing meat because I had made it 4 months without a single craving.  I found out I was not getting nearly enough protein even when I was constantly snacking on dark greens and beans.  

    Also, once a month, I crave chocolate like nobody's business.  In fact I've had such strong cravings, that I've scared myself into thinking I was pregnant.  After speaking with my dad (who is a doctor) he told me some of the benefits of chocolate include that is has magnesium, calcium, iron, zinc, copper (I am anemic as well) and it also had qualities that keep the blood from clotting.  

    I am also very embarrassed to admit nearly my whole life I've craved eating little rocks and clay.  When I was a child I used to indulge these urges, but I am happy to say its been quite some times since I've eaten parts of the earth.  Probably related to my anemia.

    tl;dr: I'm fucking weird.
    Posted 17 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink