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Please finish your rocks

I'm seeing a growing trend in the mine areas- people leaving the last nub of rock, or rocks partly mined. The problem is more common in the 'lower' rocks, but I've seen it happen to beryls and sparklies too.

The game does not respawn rocks unless they have been fully consumed, so please finish your rocks (and if you see leftover nubs, try to clear them as well). Besides, that last nub might have a diamond in it...

Posted 15 months ago by Zurin Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I confirm that. Please clear them. They do not respawn and next miner is left without choice, but to clean your mess. It costs not alot much energy to do so. 

    If not other it is annoying for next players after you. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Lilla My Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1

    Also, how knows....the next rock that spawns might even say "I am huuuuuggggggeeee!"
    Posted 15 months ago by Papa Vodou Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 maybe we should do a few billboards in the metro. Right next to the no-no say no. "Have you finished your rocks today?"
    Posted 15 months ago by madragoran Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I noticed this also today..Lots of unfinished rocks...I cleaned up as I went along..thinking if I don't ..these wont respawn..  :-/
    Posted 15 months ago by Cryztal Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Reading this, I hear Pink Floyd in my head ("if you don't eat your meat, how can you have any pudding?")

    "If you don't finish your rocks, you won't get any diamond! how can you have a diamond if you don't finish your rock?"
    Posted 15 months ago by Nevet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I dunno, if you're a low level miner, it can be a real faff to finish off a rock (if you're not on a big mining binge)... especially if it's a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge rock!

    It's easy enough for us high-level miners to clear up, eh?
    Posted 15 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @shexycorin: Agree with this. If you run out of energy and food midway through a rock, you can't be expected to kill yourself just to placate higher level Glitches.

    Also worth noting that the noob mining quest only requires you to pick up a few chunks of each rock type, so Glitches doing that are unlikely to finish the rock off.
    Posted 15 months ago by faitaru Subscriber! | Permalink
  • When I started mining myself I was guilty of this because I thought I was leaving something for everyone...lol stupid Glitch rocks are for mining hehehe I go around cleaning the nubs up thinking that they are probably thinking like me leave something for everyone ahhh well...memories...sweet memories...
    Posted 15 months ago by SookieYaki Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How about NO. I will mine as I chose to. I don't tell others how to play so won't be told either.
    Play glitch how you want to play do not let others bully you into doing it "their" way.
    Posted 15 months ago by Misha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow, take it easy, Misha. No need to fell bullied. Take it like a suggestion to make mining life easier for ALL. Cause theres many groups going out mining and finding those leftovers doesnt help anyone. Neither the one who wants to help others leaving a bit. Giving room for respawn is much better for all in my opinion! So i want to thank all who understand this is a positive non-bullying way and try to do whats common sense. Doesnt mean you are playing it Zurins or my way  ;)
    Posted 15 months ago by StevenSoul Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The point is that everyone will benefit from rocks that respawn. If you don't want to finish them off, that's up to you, it's just something to consider.
    Posted 15 months ago by Kai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This topic has been don't to death for months on end. One opinion is not another's what ever the outcome of mining a rock. The point is no one has the right to tell someone else what to do period. New  or Old players should not feel they have to mine a full rock. The OP is not giving advice but telling someone what to do.
    Posted 15 months ago by Misha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you see a rock unfinished, just clean it up.

    Low level miners don't have the luxury of "taking it all." Their tool might break, they run out of energy, they run out of bag space. They log out of the game... Stuff happens!

    See a nub? Clean it up.

    Mining is a team sport. ^_^

    See Also: Zurin. Just finish mining it. Misha: Carry on.
    Posted 15 months ago by Candycane Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This topic keeps coming back, and people can never come to an agreement. I mean, we've had this same discussion at least half a dozen times during alpha and beta, and the conclusion was always:

    People have different ways of mining. Some think it's rude to finish off rocks, some think it's rude not to. Some (me) think that it really isn't a big deal whichever way you choose to do it.

    Which doesn't mean that people shouldn't bring it up again if they feel it's a problem. But be aware that you're probably not going to accomplish much with this thread.
    Posted 15 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't even know if its so much an argument about being rude or not rude as much as its running out of energy, having to teleport cause you are full, maybe you have to log off, perhaps the person died but their grave is no longer there, maybe they don't fully understand how rocks respawn.

    I myself have had to leave rocks because I was full in my bag space and why would I waste energy on chunks that I won't ever see?  If I plan to continue mining I will sell and return, but often times I just mine until I am full.  Also, if I have low energy I won't kill myself finishing a rock.

    Maybe a quest to explain how rock spawn times work now (since its been changed...again) would help people who just don't understand but the rest of the time there is usually a good reason
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am NOT telling people what to do. All I'm saying is that rocks don't respawn if you don't finish them off, so it would be nice if you did.

    But never mind. Do whatever you want. It doesn't matter in the end.
    Posted 15 months ago by Zurin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Misha: Funny. I'm pretty sure when I read the OP's post he is not forcing people to clear the rocks, but merely suggesting that it would be beneficial for them to do so. "Please clear your rocks." is very different to "YOU MUST CLEAR YOUR ROCKS IT IS THE RULES."

    Honestly, I'm of the opinion that people should be allowed to mine as much or as little as they want to from a rock. However I don't think the "don't tell me or anyone what to do" trolling helps either side.
    Posted 15 months ago by faitaru Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "If you don't pick yer rock, you can't have any diamonds! How can you have any diamonds if you don't pick yer rock?!" - From Another AAA Block In The Wall
    Posted 15 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • People are going to play how they play. And their play is not always going to benefit you. Tired of seeing nubs? Getting so frustrated you are going to post about it in the forum? Maybe you should focus on something else for awhile (whether it be in game or out of game). That's right. I'm telling you how to play.

    Also, nubs are absolutely great for low-level miners. Because they can finish off a rock, not get shamed for leaving a nub, and not end up in hell smashing grapes with a broken pick and no food upon re-entry.
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There are a lot of new people in the game right now who don't necessarily know things like this.
    Posted 15 months ago by DJ Plaid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Who thinks it's rude to finish off rocks, Cefeida?  (besides people who don't know how the respawn works -- if they worked like wood trees, it'd obviously be rude to finish them, and if they worked like fruit trees it'd be arguable.)  If I mined half of two rocks and left, there would be less rock for the next person to come through than if I finished one of them and left the other untouched.

    Bossing people around is rude, sure, and if someone's goals are better served by mining less than a full rock's worth at a time, that's fine, someone else will finish it off.  But it's a benefit to the community if stubs are finished off rather than left, and it's worthwhile to let people know this.  Of course, most of the people who *don't* know this don't read the forums, so...
    Posted 15 months ago by Fnibbit Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Maybe you have to word it "Please consider that it can possibly be a good idea to finish mining your rocks. And this is why..."

    That is similar to the way I have to communicate with my co-workers all the time. LOL (but not really LOL) Sigh
    Posted 15 months ago by crowdedsky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hm, maybe I shouldn't have used the word 'rude' since it never actually appeared in this thread- but that was the EXACT word used multiple times in all the threads we've had about this before. Sorry, I guess I inadvertently tainted this discussion with leftovers from the previous ones :(

    Still, what some people here are saying is that leaving nubs is 'annoying' and 'messy' and inconvenient to other players; in short, inconsiderate.

    Like I said, I personally don't think either way is inconsiderate or rude or that it matters in the long run- the world is big enough for everyone to find a place to play their own way, and there is really no shortage of rocks. Actually, I would agree 100% with Laurali's post.
    Posted 15 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It depends on what I'm after. If I'm on a mining run, no rock is safe. If I'm harvesting trees, I don't bother with rocks.

    And, really - if you're grousing about unfinished rocks, it seems the issue is 'I went to x and found a bunch of unfinished rocks, so my mining run was less productive than I would have liked' - which is an entirely different issue than glitches not doing everyone a much-needed service.
    Posted 15 months ago by TK-855 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not much of a miner, but I'll often clear nubs if I come across them, and I think many others will do the same, so it usually ends up rectifying itself in the end.  However, it is worth pointing the respawning factor out to newcomers - it took me a while to understand that clearing was better than leaving.
    Posted 15 months ago by Cindy Electronium Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I look at it this way- I've never personally been sooo low on energy that I just- can't- mine- that one final cycle. If I am that low on energy, surely I shoulda considered that before I started (foresight being more useful than hindsight), or maybe I shoulda kept a sharper eye on the meter. If I'm full up, I mine the rest of the rock, let people know there are free chunks available, and go about my business- seems like giving somebody rock is even less labor-intensive than just walking off and waiting for others to clean it up, and it's a nice thing to do for somebody who maybe didn't plan their energy use ahead of time. Besides, I'd rather have the potential diamond or moonstone left in the rock; I'll make space if I have to.
    I guess, aside from all the "grrr @ people tellin' me what to do..." that always comes out when this is brought up, I don't get why making sure other people have rock to mine is such a massive pain to people, and why considering how messing with others' cashflow and ability to do what you just did is so abhorrent to some. Especially right now, when there are 10 people to a room in some places, and you can go through 5 rooms with nothing in them- except for maybe a couple of 8-piece nubs. I don't think, right now at least, that the world really is big enough for people not to take into account what others around them are doing. Just my two cents'.
    Posted 15 months ago by Djabriil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I noticed last night that the Heights were full of new players mining. Only a week ago I was their level, and I remember well that sometimes I didn't have the health or food to mine a rock to completion.
    Posted 15 months ago by Widdershins Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Djabriil: since reset there have been many times where I was mining and chatting and got the "low on energy" message, so I stopped. Also there are rocks that spawn with 150 chunks while someone was only prepared to mine a third of that. What if sometime gets disconnected? Or another player needs help so they teleport out to help them.

    I actually like that people leave some rocks not fully mined. It could be that if the whole rock were mined and was still on its spawn timer then I am getting more than I would have gotten passing through while there was no rock at all, and with how crowded mining is I will take any nubs I see gratefully.

    And the reason I like it best is cause it counteracts the idea that the entire node belongs to the first person to get there. To me it feels like more of a community to just take what you need and leave the rest for another player, who likely would get any at all passing through after the while thing were mined
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Laurali: Helping somebody, getting disconnected... I understand that. I do; I have to reload about once an hour or I start moving in slo-mo, and I've jumped out for Rook attacks more than once. The trouble I'm seeing with that is how many people right now are mining, and the fact that most of the nubs I'm coming across personally have 2 cycles left at the most (and usually just the one). And I look around and see loads of people trying to mine and wonder why it was so important for whoever left 5 pieces in the rock to play their own way while failing to notice how many others are attempting to make money, get a house, fulfill a quest, etc. To me it has nothing to do with a rock "belonging" to anybody, but with being able to look around and realize that if I leave this one single lump lying around, the next person's going to have to wait forever for a respawn and get 5 whole chunks for their trouble. But if I just mine it and take the minimal hit to my energy (what is it, 8 for M4, 7 for M5?), other people can come along and get an appreciable amount of rock to mine shortly, since I'm getting the respawn timer going myself.
    As it is, I spend most of my time in the mines cycling through one or two rooms with a few people- I don't have to wander around seeking out rock in other, more crowded rooms, and can get a good grasp on the respawn time. So far, I haven't had to wait longer than 5 minutes on a rock, so I haven't really seen the benefit to letting the spawn timer get started vs leaving nubs (I admittedly might be missing something here, but that's my experience).
    Posted 15 months ago by Djabriil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I totally agree with this post. I always finish up the rocks that are left over even when I don't need to mine. It truly bothers me.
    Posted 15 months ago by ☠ lala512 ☠ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh wow at the things some people get offended by.........  I have a cousin that has a serious issue with anyone suggesting anything and responds with - "Don't tell me what to do. You arent my momma" quite often.

    Its a suggestion, take it or leave it.  Most new members have no clue that the rocks don't regrow.  How will they know unless they are told? I sure never knew until someone told me.
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "And I look around and see loads of people trying to mine and wonder why it was so important for whoever left 5 pieces in the rock to play their own way while failing to notice how many others are attempting to make money, get a house, fulfill a quest, etc. "

    Well...wait a minute, why are you putting more positive values on one player's game than on another's? They're both equal and equally entitled to pursuing their goals in the game. You make this assumption that the person who leaves a stub leads a less worthwile Glitch existence than everyone else. I think that's what they call a false dichotomy.

    Why is it so important for another person to get a full, fresh rock when they arrive, that I should have to waste energy, time, and possibly gain if my inventory is full? If you say that all of these sacrifices are minimal, then I say that the sacrifice you make by having to mine a stub is just as minimal. And I really do think they both are minimal which is why I don't see a reason to fuss over this. No one is being seriously disadvantaged by other people's mining practices, whatever they may be.
    Posted 15 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Disagree. The other person must now wait for the rock to respawn if they want to get the full potential of the rock. It sucks.

    My issue isn't with new players who run out of energy or people who just forget and leave. My issue is with people who do it as a habit, on purpose. That's rude.
    Posted 14 months ago by emdot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • In busy mines, that habit benefits the next player to happen along.  Do people really wait for respawning? I just go to the next rock.
    Posted 14 months ago by Tingly Claus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • WTF?  How can people say "You should mine however you want.  Every play style is valid."?  There is a difference between taking some of a rock and taking all but the last swing.  It's like leaving a single spoonful of ice cream in a large tub, so that whoever is doing the shopping doesn't know to buy more, but the next person to actually want to eat some ends up disappointed.  It's a dick thing to do, especially if you're doing it on purpose.

    Of course we don't want people killing themselves to finish off rocks.  If you're full, we don't want you wasting energy for chunks you can't carry.  If your pick breaks and you can't repair it, we don't need you going out of your way to go elsewhere to get it fixed and then come back to finish up a rock.  But, if you are intentionally leaving a nub, that is an anti-social behavior.  Just like it's rude to poison trees if you have no intention of replanting, it's rude to leave nubs.  You are intentionally depriving other people of mining yields, and for what?  Yes, of all the ways you can get off on hindering other people, it is rather benign, but it is not a "valid play style" any more than vandal or arsonist is a valid career path.  Anybody who says otherwise is at best a troll.
    Posted 14 months ago by Pazza Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whats sad is when Glitchens trying to do the leave nub quest getting yelled out for leaving a nub..
    Sometimes just nicely asking what they are up to and finding out what the situation is before jumping to the conclusion that they are doing something annoying..
     
    I dislike egg petters , i dislike people who pet or water any other tree but wood before harvesting, i dislike gas trees in the region of ix, i dislike rube not being for me.

    I hate being told how i "should" play.

    I like ,okay actually l♥ve,  to make up funny health warnings to detour people from doing those actions.
    Posted 14 months ago by Karma Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually, Karma, that quest says, "Use your Pick or Fancy Pick to wear 5 Rocks down to nary a nub in just one game day."

    That means to pick away at 5 different rocks until they're all gone, aka "nary a nub" or "not even a nub". At least that's the way I read it (and you do have to completely mine 5 rocks, whether they have 1 hit or 10 left in them).
    Posted 14 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Karma, if you hate being told how you "should" play, then you shouldn't play multi-player games, especially ones focused around community/polite interaction.  I take it that when you were a kid, you hated that your parents told you that when you play with other kids in the sandbox, you should share your shovel and not destroy the other kids' sandcastles?  It's the same thing here.  We are just saying that there are things that you can do which would be considerate or rude, and we would prefer that you take the considerate path.  If you have that strong an aversion to being told what is right and wrong (and quite frankly, if you can't tell the difference after learning how the game mechanics work), you need to be in therapy. Or politics.

    And did you really misunderstand the mining quest that badly?  Didn't you ever wonder why you couldn't finish it?
    Posted 14 months ago by Pazza Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Pazza: I agree with your point regarding community and consideration for others, but perhaps it wasn't necessary to bring either childhood experiences with parenting or politics into it. One can't really assume they have anything to do with what Karma is saying, can one? As an aside, isn't the assumption that politics is for people who can't distinguish between right or wrong a rather unfair generalization?

    @OP: Yup, agreed :/ I agree too with those who've said that most of the time it's done out of ignorance. One thing I've seen a few people do is leave notes telling miners to finish the nubs. That certainly helped me.
    Posted 14 months ago by miir Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @miir The politics comment was supposed to be a joke.  I would be happy to talk about the accuracy of painting politicians that way, but not in this thread.  

    As far as the childhood/parenting comment, it may have been phrased closer to a personal attack than it should have been, and for that I apologize, but I stand behind the sentiment and believe it to be an apt analogy.  It has been my experience that most people cannot appreciate a well crafted abstract rational argument but can appreciate an analogy, so finding an analogy that is both apt and which resonates is important.  If you have a better analogy to describe someone who has a negative visceral reaction to being told of community standards (and which incorporates the notion of play so that it can't be called an apples to oranges comparison), I'm all for hearing it.

    There is a big difference between "I don't like being told to change my behavior when I don't honestly believe it is negatively impacting others," and "I hate being told how to play," and the tone and structure of a proper response need to be adjusted accordingly.  Quite frankly, if someone responds that poorly to criticism, they are not likely to respond well to any argument I make (just as a matter of principle), and so the argument must be made for undecided third parties who can be swayed by calling out a behavior for what it really is.  If that requires stepping briefly outside of the walls of civility, so be it.
    Posted 14 months ago by Pazza Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If "Nary a nub" is that confusing to people, maybe the devs should consider re-wording it.
    Posted 14 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Do people really not understand the word 'nary'? If you don't know a word, look it up! It's not a big deal.

    : not any : not one <I must have it back as I have nary other copy — Flannery O'Connor> — nary a or nary an : not a single <survived the accident with nary a scratch>

    So that quest should have no impact on minding and nubbins. Or, it should have nary an impact on the nubs. However, I've seen areas with ALL the rocks down to the nubs. It's obviously not an 'opps, tool broke/out of space/energy/rl pulled me afk'. It's people doing it on purpose. What if said people don't know it hinks up the respawns? Then it's a good idea to post something on it. Maybe they don't know it causes a problem.

    Maybe we should also let new people know that it's OK and even beneficial to mine with a partner? I know I thought I was getting less at first. I know there's a quest, but there's also a lot of higher level miners that will come by and just peg away at a rock until you've only got one cycle though and now it's gone.
    Posted 14 months ago by Trucker Dave Subscriber! | Permalink