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I used to LOVE mining in Neva Neva...

Now first up, apologies for what follows as I'm really NOT a whingebag, I promise..BUT this really wound me up. 
As a weekend treat, I decided to be naughty and buy a key from auction so that I could earn some sparkly with which to appease Humbaba <chuckle> I love mining, and Neva Neva has been tons of fun for me in the past and enabled me to meet some great people and make new Glitch chums.  What could be nicer?
Unfortunately, it seems since my last joyful expedition in the mines there, a LOT of things have changed...and not necessarily in a good way. Once I got my key I waited outside for a few people and encouraged them to follow me in (it's nice to help each other out isn't it?) but to be honest if I'd known what it was going to be like in there I wouldn't have bothered going in the first place. 
Whilst I appreciate that it's nice to have systems that help each other out in game, what I don't like is being told what to do. Helping each other in the caves is a courtesy, NOT a right. And it was a real shock when I walked in to Neva Neva earlier to find an individual shouting at everyone in what can only be described as aggressive tones; "OMG Can't you WAIT?!" being the most oft repeated phrase, some being more impolite.  I know of at least one fellow Glitchen who was so confused by the orders being barked at her that she left the cave.
Now, I don't mind waiting at a lump of sparkly rock for others to join me at all, but what I do mind is being told HOW to play the game by anyone other than a Tiny Speck employee. I like to think that I conduct myself in a way that is agreeable to those around me,having done my fair share of calling out to players in the past when a nice chunk of sparkly has appeared.. but being told how, when and what to do in a cavern that I've visited countless times before and had a ruddy wonderful time in is a bit much. 
Don't get me wrong; I understand where people feel that a system can be useful because it benefits the most glitches, BUT I do find it offensive when someone decides that they're in charge and starts to publicly berate others who don't follow their rules.That's just not on. I was sat at my keyboard wincing for the poor souls who dared to put a foot wrong! 
One of the reasons I love Glitch so much is that it isn't (nor should it be) a game about ego, or who can mine the most; it's a game all about enjoying yourself and taking it at your own pace. 
Like I said I don't mind systems necessarily, and if they're fair to all I'm more than happy to follow them, but what I do object to are other Glitchens  telling people off just because they choose NOT to play the game the way that they have decided that it should be played.. That's embarrassing for the people concerned, and disrespectful, to say the least. 
(Oh and as a final aside, I tell you what else was interesting to me.  Glitchens were only 'allowed' to start mining chunks of sparkly once this individual had started first..now correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the first one to mine a rock reap more rewards? If that's the case, it's a corking system for individual concerned, and no wonder they were so insistent that it was followed...)
What do you think guys? 
Do you as a player appreciate systems and abide by their rules, or do you feel that the game should be played the way the individual sees fit? 
It should be noted, I had a ruddy wonderful time when this person left..everyone meandered around at their own pace, shared Earthshakers and had a much more enjoyable experience. 

=^..^=

(A thought: It would be nice to see the names of people in caves such as this before you entered, that would prevent encounters with ego-trippers..)

Posted 14 months ago by Kittywitch Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • and it's a self-imposed system that doesn't actually benefit everyone playing, just the first few people who are fastest on the mouse-click.

    bingo.and you better bet those people who have fast mouse clicking know who they are.

    and they know who their patsies are. you can convince people to do an awful lot of things that don't benefit them if you tell them it's for everybody's good.
    Posted 13 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • IMHO, AB & NN are the 4chan of Glitch
    Posted 13 months ago by Brugu Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Brugu
    wat
    Posted 13 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've visited AB & NN and since I've got them for the completists badges I won't be going back.

    I was told off in both locations.
    I visited AB first and didn't know the *rule* that I had to tell people where sparkly had formed. I read the image guide to locations once someone linked to it and tried my best. I got told off for saying B4 instead of B5 :(

    When I visited NN I saw sparkly and announced it. I just said sparkly because I had no idea on location names for NN. I got told I must be new because I *had* to announce then wait for everyone, not announce and start mining. Of course when I followed the *rules* I got NOTHING! It was impossible to actually click on the rock with everyone trying at once so it was mined out by the first couple that clicked while I was waiting like an obedient idiot :(

    WTF?!
    How is this good community behavior?
    Why is bullying and belittling people into compliance acceptable?

    While the people in both locations are incredibly friendly as long as you don't touch the sparkly, or follow their rules exactly, the entire experience is insulting and I have no interest in ever returning.
    Posted 13 months ago by xombiekitty Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yup, just went back again and it seems like the same individual is always there. She was very adamant calling glitches who didn't wait trolls. The kicker is she announced she wasn't good at jumping that is why she was so slow at getting to the sparkly. Of course she was the first one to hit thus getting everyone else to help her mine. 
    Funny
    Posted 13 months ago by CodeChic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Every time I have been to AB everyone was very friendly and laid back. We have picnics and stuff. I can't speak for NN as I have never been there but everyone has always been pleasant in AB when I have visited.
    Posted 13 months ago by Fairystinky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't mine there much or for very long.  I am interested to know how much a level 4 miner can make on an average visit of say an hour if they go by the "rules"?

    I also don't really understand the logistics of hitting first.  I know that if I mine with others I will sometimes get an extra chunk and sometimes not.   If you get to the rock first do you always get the extra chunks and others not get any?
    Posted 13 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Side note: To those who are having trouble with the mouse: try using the enter key and arrow keys instead (they really are better options because you don't have to move your hands around).
    Posted 13 months ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • if you;re first o click, you get the biggest bonus.

    if there's a big crowd you might not get anything at all if you;re slow to click.

    and if you;re not in those first few, you;re subsidizing somebody else;s huge bonus.

    i'm all for mining cooperatively, but not mining to line somebody else's pockets at my expense.
    Posted 13 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sounds like a good place to stay away from. Some people have a talent for spoiling things. I get sparkly just walking around islands, satisfied with that.
    Posted 13 months ago by Phoebe Springback Subscriber! | Permalink
  • All this kinda makes me wanna go in there and start haphazardly whacking at rocks just to dick with whoever's in there with their small-pants in a twist. Not gonna, but it is tempting.
    Posted 13 months ago by Djabriil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • LOL @djadrill
    Posted 13 months ago by CodeChic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • actually, djabrill, it;s a good economic decision. in a crowded room it increases your individual chances of being early on the rock thereby getting the huge bonuses. eveyone who wants part of that rock will be forced to mine without waiting or else wait until you;ve filled your bag if they want to get those bonuses.

     the system breaks down.

    hooray for entropy!
    Posted 13 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I haven't been to Neva Neva, but I have never seen anything like this in Ajaya Bliss. Maybe go there instead?
    Posted 13 months ago by SeerQueen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There's an additional problem in that some players interpret "here are some useful tips" as "you must follow these ironclad rules". That applies to both new people and regulars who start treating those tips (which are designed to benefit the majority) as laws that never can be broken.

    Typical tips include a breakdown of the codes players use to identify spawn spots (so you can join in, and so you can alert others to spawned sparkly and get help and bonuses), requests not to AFK or die in spawn spots (so people don't try to mine your head or get frustrated clicking and getting your tombstone), and an explanation that cooperative mining can yield bonuses of up to 30 extra sparkly (thus cooperation is rewarded, while selfishness or solo mining in a cooperative mining room is self-defeating in the long run). A new tip that may be added is "talk to your mail frog so it doesn't interfere with my mining, please." Another tip might be "please do not create animals in a busy room, because they can't survive long without trees, become sad, spawn messages about how unhappy they are, and get in the way when you are trying to mine."

    Typical bossiness includes being nasty if someone starts a rock before you get there (learn how to jump faster), being nasty if someone doesn't mine rocks in the order you called them, being nasty if someone forgets to call a spawn spot code, and so on, or generally just being nasty. Ease up. 
    Posted 13 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "selfishness or solo mining"

    I find it sad that some people still consider these to be equivalent.
    Posted 13 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I put an "OR" in there on purpose. "OR" indicates that they are NOT equivalent. Just to clarify.
    Posted 13 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Treesa - I'm a level 4 miner and I've just about given up on AB and NN. I'd rather drink an earthshaker and mine anything I can find to get gems than wait for the sparkly to spawn. And my experience is that my gem drop rate drops to nearly zero. Also, at Level 4 you mine so quickly that even if you are one of the first to click, you are done mining before everyone else joins so you don't get a max bonus (of course the speed might give you the chance for a second mine, but you're only going to help others and no bonus yourself)
    That said, I used to spend a fair amount of time in those places and it was fun when people would work together because it gave everyone a fair chance. It was annoying when someone would come in and disrupt the flow. I think nicely asking someone to do what everyone else is doing is fine. But, splanking someone or ordering ir berating people around is simply unacceptable. You just have to adapt your play to whoever is in there.
    Posted 13 months ago by Green Meanie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Simple solution.

    If you like to mine in groups, do so in areas where it is encouraged (aka NN & AB). If you are a solo miner and go in those rooms and decided you want to be the one person who is not being cooperative, then expect people to be annoyed at your. You are in a room where people are trying to be nice and do communal mining. You are disrupting the flow for your own selfishness. If you really want to mine alone, why would you go someplace where you know it is communal?

    I have asked people very nicely at times to please wait, only to get back rude responses or "you should have asked nicer instead of telling me to do what you want", even when I had asked nicely many times. Otherwise you are being selfish and rude to others trying to play a friendly game that benefits everybody. If you don't like people complaining to you about it... don't go there. Problem solved.

    On the flip side, if you are outside one of those communal areas, don't expect people to wait for you, and don't complain if they don't wait. If they want to mine alone then let them do so in peace. If they ask nicely to be left alone to mine, then it only makes sense to respect their request, knowing that the communal areas I would expect the same respect.

    The whole argument of "I'm Mining 4" is silly. If you know you want to mine by yourself, why go into a room where you KNOW people are doing communal mining? I'm also Mining 4, when I want to mine with people I go in rooms like NN & AB for the interaction with others and the mining. When I want to mine alone, I go elsewhere where I can do it without being selfish and annoying other people. When I mine alone outside of those rooms, I generally do better anyway, so why would I want to go there to rock the boat?

    Is mining solo selfish? No it isn't, but it IS when you are doing it in a communal area and disrupting other peoples game play. That's being very rude and selfish. Everybody can play the game they want to, but if you purposely go someplace where you will disrupt a majority of the players, then you are being rude and selfish. Pretty cut and dry.
    Posted 13 months ago by Meez Mike Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @meez mike - that's why i like mining with you mike
    Posted 13 months ago by Cat A. Tonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @meez mike - that's why i like mining with you mike
    Posted 13 months ago by Cat A. Tonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @meez mike - that's why i like mining with you mike
    Posted 13 months ago by Cat A. Tonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @meez mike - that's why i like mining with you mike
    Posted 13 months ago by Cat A. Tonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I go where I please.
    I mine where I please.
    No one Glitch can tell me what to do.
    Besides the mighty Stoot, and his Tiny Legion.

    About this whole situation, I see more rudeness come from the people who wai, tan those who don't.
    Everyone will be waiting, and one guy who wants to go solo.
    I've seen them harass the heck out of that guy until he eventually quit.
    Splank harassing, IM harassing, and general insults.

    Yeah they're communal rooms, but nothing is written in stone.
    I've said this before, waiting is a courtesy, but you don't have to do it.
    And I've seen half of the people wanting others to wait, so they could get the first strike, and cash in on the big bonus. 
    So pointing all the selfishness on just the non-waiters, ain't so right.
    Posted 13 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Djabriil --- yep that's pretty much the only reason worth going in anymore
    Posted 13 months ago by naminami Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Volkov You do know what the antonym of courteous is right? ;)  By saying that waiting is a courtesy, that would imply that not waiting is bad-mannered, discourteous, impolite, rude, etc.

    Just saying... ;)
    Posted 13 months ago by Meez Mike Subscriber! | Permalink
  • While it's a courtesy, you don't need to do it. Nor will you be called rude or selfish.
    Posted 13 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah, there's a few people who will go all Mining Police on others in the locked areas. Those spaces are fun if everyone can ignore the people who decide that there's an unspoken binding agreement about how you use the resources. Any courtesy shown should be exactly that: a courtesy. Not a rule. 

    For example, it's nice to call out the rock locations as they spawn and to merely encourage people to mine together for bigger bonuses. It's kind to die in a space not near any rocks to keep people from misclicking or hitting enter on the wrong object. But it's all optional. If someone doesn't want to do things that way, they don't have to. 

    I don't have a problem with AB (I don't have enough experience in NN to compare); it's these certain uptight Glitches I have a problem with. If someone is such a control freak they feel they have to micromanage complete strangers in a virtual space, I think they need to step back and remember it's just a game.
    Posted 13 months ago by Laerwen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • now, see i think it's interesting when SOME people come into an area and delclare it to be one thing or another and then get upset when other people don't all recognize their designation.

    i used to mine ajaya before it was "communal" under whose auspices did this happen? was there a regulation passed, or did some people just get together and decide that anyone not recognizing THEIR designation could legitimately be harassed or declared rude?

    what y'all don't realize is that i was there BEFORE you messed things up and i declared it to be an ironclad mine-as-you-please-no-recriminations zone, and all you "cooperative miners" are in violation of the spirit of the place.

    if you come in and make guidelines for people to follow in an ironclad mine-as-you-please-no-recriminations zone, you are only asking for trouble and should expect people to be annoyed.
    Posted 13 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How dare they act like America and steal our land!
    Posted 13 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Amen Flask amen. I find it funny how people have self-appointed their own guidelines to an area that was non-communal to start out with.. just another mining area that requires a key to get into is all. Would I stop anyone that was into the cooperative mining thing? No. However I do expect the same respect if I chose not to join in the cooperative mining thing. If I chose to mine alone or on another rock than the rest I should be left alone and not harassed.... respect goes two ways. You may not agree with the way I enjoy playing the game and it goes both ways, maybe I don't enjoy the way you like playing. That is the beauty of this game. To ask us NOT to come in because we don't like to play YOUR way is wrong. And to harass, police, abuse others is not in the spirit of this game.. and same with splanking and disrupting OUR gameplay is just as wrong.

    @ Meez Mike " Is mining solo selfish? No it isn't, but it IS when you are doing it in a communal area and disrupting other peoples game play. That's being very rude and selfish. Everybody can play the game they want to, but if you purposely go someplace where you will disrupt a majority of the players, then you are being rude and selfish. Pretty cut and dry". All I can say Mike it goes two ways. Being rude and disruptive to solo miners in that area is not right either... YOU are then being rude and selfish by thinking YOUR way is the only right way and anyone not fitting into your perfect box is just wrong thinking as well. 
    Posted 13 months ago by Mistyblue Dawn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How about people not being Derrières Chapeaux in any area of the game, and ignoring / blocking / reporting (if severely asshattic) those who are?

    There are enough resources to go around, so if there are too many Derrières Chapeaux in a particular area to ignore / report / block, you can always leave to find a more congenial atmosphere and let them stew in their own unpleasantness. 

    However, don't BE one of the Derrières Chapeaux by deliberately antagonizing a large group of people (some of which are probably NOT being irritating in any way and who are innocent parties) because you don't like cooperating in mining rooms, because that is just as obnoxious.

    You don't like being told how to play in any way whatsoever, but if you deliberately go into an area where you know in advance you don't like cooperative mining, don't want to work within any guidelines or work with anyone else (lest they get a bigger bonus than you do?) and plan to do all you can NOT to play nicely with others, guess who is being the aggressively obnoxious person in this scenario?

    Can't folks just play nicely together? 

    Maybe I am overly naïve, but I don't understand either extreme stance. It's not cool to be Bossy McNastybritches and demand everyone do exactly what you say and follow some rules to the letter (the guidelines are to introduce people to the spawn spots and cooperative mining bonuses, not rules set in stone that are supposedly the ONLY way to co-mine, even in cooperative rooms) but it is likewise not cool to disdain cooperative mining room arrangements yet purposefully drop in to stand in a corner telling everyone (in a very superior, disparaging tone) that they are wrong to play the way they are playing or to deliberately choose to enter a cooperative mining area with the intention of riling people up even if you think their methods are stupid and wrong.

    If someone comes into a cooperative mining room and does their own thing, let them. Do our own thing, too, which is to cooperatively mine. Solo mining is not really possible in a busy co-mining room, but let them give it a go. Thirty other Glitchen are still going to swarm newly spawned sparkly whether a solo miner "claims" it or not, shared resources being what they are. If someone doesn't know or doesn't want to call out mining codes, that is their choice. If someone waits or does not wait, that is their choice. In a co-mining room, it SEEMS, in the long run, to benefit more people to follow community-created guidelines than to flout them.

    How about trying to be pleasant to other players, not griefing people who play differently than you do (not seeking out co-mining areas to find ways to buck the established guidelines or to annoy people on purpose or to tell them they are playing "wrong" in some way), not being bossy or obnoxious to others if they don't mine or co-mine YOUR way, and not finding ways to interfere with others' gameplay (AFKing in a spawn spot / deliberately dying to spawn a headstone / complaining that you want to deliberately die and people need to stop radiating / not responding to your mail frog / creating swarms of animals in areas where there are no trees to support them and they get in the way  / starting arguments / being dictatorial about HOW to mine / dropping "trash" items near spawn spots / grabbing at "leaked" items that are not yours).

    Folks saying "bossy people are bad and tell people that they are playing in a way the bossy people don't like, and I don't like co-mining so I am going to go into co-mining areas and then make a point to not do what everyone else is doing" are just as badly-behaved as the bossy people being rude about "rules." Do you really not see this, or is it OK to choose to deliberately antagonize other players because a handful of them who are being Derrières Chapeaux don't play the way YOU like?

    I just don't get that.

    From what I have seen, people call out a spawned rock location code either before getting a pick into the rock or shortly afterwards (if they call out at all), people go to that spot if they can get there, they mine, then it is off to the next spot. Anyone trying to corral an entire group to mine a particular rock at a particular time in a particular way or to wait for all stragglers gets politely ignored. Anyone trying to mine solo in a co-mining room is likewise ignored. Anyone coming in and being superior or disparaging about "termites" or "ants" or lecturing about misplaced priorities ("why are you mining so rabidly? I have risen above such petty concerns!") is treated as comic relief or ignored (after all, they are down in the mines, too). 

    Try ignoring Derrières Chapeaux, and try not being one by exhibiting behavior that is just as obnoxious as the other behaviors you don't like.

    Try being nice and getting along with other people, and walking away if someone else is being a jerk. 
    Posted 13 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Words of wisdom from Lorelei.
    Posted 13 months ago by Pascale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Until people start buying me teal/white keys, I shall mine how I please.
    But, I will keep my mouth shut while doing so, given I can be a rather big smartass.
    Posted 13 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Very good point Volkov. Until they either provide you the keys or buy them for you nobody has a right to tell you how you should mine and even if they did they STILL have no right to tell you how you mine.

    I can understand how passionate players can get here. Nobody wants other players to tell them how they should play and there is no rule in this game that says we have to accept anyone directing our way of playing whether is it out on a street or behind a door of a mining area. What is considered fun in a "cooperative" way is not fun for another.

    I think what comes down to it is we all need to just accept each other the way we are and respect that we are all different, with different likes and dislikes. If one feels the need to mine solo that needs to be respected and be left alone. Yes the solo miner has the risk of others "helping" and need to just accept that too, but that solo miner has no obligation to "call out spawn points and wait for others". They also don't deserve to be abused, harassed or splanked or called out either and if they are they have every right to report that abuse and to place those at fault on ignore. The so-called cooperative miners have no ownership on those mines and have no right to be rude and as Lorelei called them " Derrières Chapeaux". I rather like that terminology by the way!
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1.
    Posted 13 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you really want to mine alone, why would you go someplace where you know it is communal?

    I do think people in this thread have made some good points about people's attitudes and how it would be best to not micromanage others in a mean way.  But, if I were bothered by the attitudes in these areas, I just... wouldn't go to the areas.  There's plenty of mining elsewhere, and maybe it's not in the rules that these two areas are communal but that's what they effectively have turned out to be, so isn't it easier to just avoid it altogether?  Maybe I am missing something and if I am could someone explain to me?
    Posted 13 months ago by diaveborn ♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I guess what it comes down to it diaveborn is nobody should feel forced out of any place just because of a few that would like to control one or two areas. I feel that is what maybe they would like.. I could be wrong however. When a few start controlling areas and start making "rules" or what some would call "player established guidelines" and begin to passively or directly bully others to follow those said "rules/guidelines" it is a problem. Why is it those of us that refuse to join the small collective be forced leave so they can continue to place "ownership" like dogs marking their territories? All areas in this game is for everyone to go to and mine, harvest, etc... except our small spaces called homes. Nobody should be shamed, harassed, or forced to join or else face consequences. If someone wants to join in sure welcome them.. for those that do not want to join in leave them be and let them enjoy the game how they would like to enjoy it.
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If people start buying me keys, I'll mine their way.
    Posted 13 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
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