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can we just settle this. family game or not?

i can't really find an official definition for what a family game is or not, but i mean, it's essentially the same as a 'family film' in regards to the use of language. so, while 'family game' doesn't have an objective definition (yet), 'family film' does. it's "a film genre that is designed to appeal to a variety of age groups and, thus, families." i think we all agree that the game appeals to many age groups. i suppose we could also agree that the game is PG-13 considering that a player must be 13 years or older to play (with parental consent). films typically are upgraded to PG-13 from PG when language is used sparingly (generally, less than 4 times) or the movie is especially violent. note that Glitch never uses language and is never violent, so the game really should be PG or even G. Certainly, it would be rated E for everyone with a disclaimer that they cannot control the content experienced online.  

ultimately though, the game has parallels with a family film that's rated PG-13. and as such, we shouldn't use language. 

thank you for your time.

(edit: ToS says 14 years or older, so I guess PG-14 would be more accurate.)

Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • flask, what facts have you provided? 

    Also, what is a family game to you, flask? Perhaps we can go from there. Because based on my definition, it's self evident that it is indeed a family game.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think it's interesting that you assume that, because flask is on a church committee, s/he is interested in being the Naughty Word Police.  I'm betting that the business of that committee is something entirely unrelated to stamping out coarse language.  Probably something useful, like feeding the hungry or comforting the afflicted.

    It's also interesting that I, too, am on a church committee.  OH!  FEEL THE PARADIGM SHIFT!

    (Do you know how much self control it took for me not to say "I am on a fucking church committee?"  And now I've gone and done it anyway.  CURSE YOU, REBELLIOUS TEENAGE PALLAS!)
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I guess I have a narrow minded view of what a church lady is like. Blame Dana Carvey.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @mr. dawgg i think what flask and everyone is trying to tell you is that there is YOUR definition of a family game, and then there is everyone else's definition. 

    according to everyone else's definition, glitch is not a family game. just cuz *you* think it's a family game doesn't make it so. 

    and now, like flask, i'm off to get some cheese.
    Posted 15 months ago by Geeki Yogini Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What Is The Definition then, G Yogini. The one you linked to? If so, then Glitch can fit right into that definition just fine.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • physicists can tell me all they want that oxygen is not mauve in color, but even if God himself tells me that he does not intend it to be mauve, it is mauve because i have decided that it fits my definition of "visible" and "mauve".

    i await God's clarification of my interpretation of what is so obviously true.

    ...to me.

    and giddy with self-approbation, i will  observe that everyone here AGREES WITH ME! why, yes, they do!

    and now aren't we all much happier?
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • flask, I see where you're going with that line of reasoning. But, I felt I provided a decent reasoning behind using the definition that I am. Care to explain why it's out-of line? Perhaps you have a better working definition of what a family game is? 

    Or are you just going to continue to mock me? Very fair.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lardluvvaduck, I can't get this out of my head:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk 
    Is there any situation that can't be improved by a Princess Bride reference?  I think not!

    Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.  ;>
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • clearly this thread was started not to ask if this is a family game or not.
    What I have gathered is:
    Mr dawgg thinks this is a family game, therefore it is
    Mr dawgg really wanted to voice his opinion on the use of foul language and used this thread to manipulate us into that argument.
    He thinks he is better then us because he chooses not to use certain words "just because we can"
    Clearly he intends to force his opinion on the use of foul language on all of us whenever he deems it necessary, whether there are children present or not.
    Freedom of speech.  I can say any words I want whenever i want.
     PG-14 (as stated by you above) & TOS, therefore if we want to say something that others may find offensive then we have the right to do so.
    But obviously mr dawgg just wants to practice his debate skills on all of us or he is a troll or he is sitting at his computer laughing at the results of this thread. or maybe he really is offended by curse words.  which is his right.  and he has made his point so the case is closed.  why he continues to comment only adds fuel to the troll fire.
    What you really should say Mr. Dawgg is "I find certain words offensive and I wish that those around me would please refrain from using them if at all possible."
    You obviously don't care if the game is "family " or not.
    stop being cantankerous, persnickety, bilious, supercilious and trying to infantilize all of us.
    See I can use any words I want.

    PS i hate the words "moist", "panties"" and "discharge".  I find them offensive.  Shall I start a thread on that?  I would prefer "shit" over any of those words any day.  Oh and Ampersand, but thats another thread entirely.  Good day to you sir.
    Posted 15 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yes, considering the circumstances, i think it is not only fair, but gracious.

    mauve. cheese. trombones.

    oh, is it non-sequitur hour already?

    perhaps you confuse "reasoning" with "codswallop".

    at this point i'n only in it for the giggles. i realized that reasoning was hopeless in this thread LONG ago.

    but it's an awesome thread and you continue to keep it going for us. this is WAY better than teevee.

    settled? yes.

    don't care what your definition is. you can define anything as anything and it don't make it so.

    it does, however, make tremendous sport for the rest of us.

    keep up the good work!
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Gadzooks,

    Thank you for your assessment of the thread. I appreciate your candor. I do not feel that I am better than anyone. In fact, I'm a very humble person. I'm just very matter of fact, and I can be bossy at times. 

    And I have said what you said I should say. Just not in those exact words.

    I do care if it is a family game or not because I feel that the definition is spot on. People I know face to face agree with me. To us, it is self evident. I tried to provide a working, objective definition, but no one will accept that definition. No one has provided a different one that really works, imo. Find one that works, and I'll run with it. But I have always said that a family movie is not the same as a kid's movie (or game.) A kids movie *can* be a family movie, but a family movie isn't always a kids movie. Though, I'd like to work with the word Young Adult rather than Kids. Because I really feel that Glitch appeals to young adults. 

    Thanks.

    I'm going afk now. Prolly reply more tomorrow. Thanks everyone for posting.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "trombone...", someone intoned darkly.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Why, I'm the most humble person I know!"

    *collapses in a fit of giggles*

    Never leave, Dawgg.  Never, never leave.
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg:

    Just because a game/movie/book/TV show is rated 14+ does NOT make it a "family" whatever.  

    ToS states that 14-17 need parental consent to play.  The 14-17 age group can play, but the parents have to be informed.  I am assuming that this is to avoid the mass hysteria introduced by the parents of these children (I will use "children" because, legally, they are children and need to be protected by society in a variety of situations) over the use of alcohol, addictive substances, and sexual innuendo in the game.  

    I doubt that the one issue a parent sues over is another player's use of the word fuck.  

    I also doubt that any 14-17 year old on the internet enough to be actively playing an MMOG has never heard/used/typed bad words.  In fact, I'm sure they know more bad words, abbreviations standing for bad words, and acronyms standing for phrases containing bad words, than I know.

    No game that you play individually on separate computers is a family game.  You want a definition of "family game"?  A game you can play together, as a family, and interact within your family.  Board games are awesome family games.  Hasbro even has that whole "Create a family game night" tagline now.  Maybe some console systems have good "family games," in the sense that they have broad appeal, can be played by more than one person at a time on one system, and cause interaction between family members.  The Wii and the Kinect come to mind.

    Sticking by what TS has stated, I would say that Glitch is a game for adults, which children between the ages of 14 and 17 can play with parental consent.  That does not imply a "family game," nor does it require a change in language.  Parental consent means that the parent says, "Yes, you may play," and if they don't like the content, they can say, "Okay, now you can't play."  Occasional (or at least inoffensive to the majority of people) cursing should not be censored or need to be filtered (which is censorship).

    If you agree with all this, then what is the issue?  Why the thread?  I'm not understanding what you want, if it's not censorship of "adult" language.

    I also agree with a previous poster: What are the ages of the people in your family that you want to play Glitch as a "family game"?  Or are you just using "family game" as a way to push censorship of language that you, personally, find offensive?

    Last thing: Just because you think that Glitch is a family game doesn't make it so.  If you want to allow your 14-17 year old children play, that is all on you, but you cannot enforce a "PG-13/14" language filter on Glitch.  According to the MPAA, "a motion picture's single use of one of the harsher sexually-derived words, though only as an expletive, initially requires at least a PG-13 rating.  More than one such expletive requires an R rating, as must even one of those words used in a sexual context (source)." This does not work in a gaming environment, as allowing even one such instance of fuck per player per day would result in many, many instances in total, so the only solution would be... total censorship.  Therefore, parental permission, and the statement that Glitch is not a family game.
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFbSHWBjuuQ&feature=related
    Posted 15 months ago by coolbettycakes Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am truly sorry that I have nothing of value to add but the trombone thing is tickling me and I had to acknowledge the video above by coolbettycakes..... I have schoolgirl giggles again and they had only just died down from Misha.  

    This game and all things related really brings out the naughty giggling kid in me (I was never that child - maybe I am just letting it all out now?) but it's still no place for real kids ... there I said something relevant if not valuable.

    xx
    Posted 15 months ago by icatchm0nkeys Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Guess my show doesn't start til 8. 

    Eliza Thornybur,

    I agree with what you're saying. That is, being 14+ doesn't immediately make the game a family game. But what is a family game according to you?

    The use of alcohol isn't a game changer either. D&D which often features a band of heroes gathering at a pub and drinking ale is ages 10 and up, or at the worst 13 and up. Movies that show characters drinking can be rated PG. The drinking in Glitch is very PG if you ask me.

    What about no-no powder? This one is brought up repeatedly in GC when I talk about it being a family game or not. Guys, it's called no-no powder. That's a way of telling a baby, a baby, that it's bad. Again... this is self-evident that it's not like drugs being featured in GTA or the movie Scarface. C'mon.

    "No game that you play individually on separate computers is a family game. " Tell that to my friend's family guild on WoW. He, his wife, his two daughers, his brother, and his mom and dad all play WoW together. They're all 14 and up. Guess what. In their family guild, you can't use language and you have to keep it polite and clean. They also recruit players they meet in-game, and they are expected to follow rules. When new people join, they preface it as 'this is a family guild.' What do you think he means when he says that? How would you interpret that, subjectively or objectively?

    How do you interpret the concept of a family game? I'm genuinely asking. These are not rhetorical questions to you, Eliza.

    "If you agree with all this, then what is the issue?  Why the thread?  I'm not understanding what you want, if it's not censorship of "adult" language."

    I want people to agree that the game is a family game. By extension, I want them to agree that because it is a family game, that they should probably refrain from the use of language in public chat channels. This isn't an attempt at censorship. This is a request.

    I suppose I wanted to stir-up a discussion on what a family game is or isn't as well. As-is, there isn't an objective, working definition. Though, I feel that the one I provided which is a direct translation of the one for movies, works. It really does fit the bill. Others seem to disagree, but they never provide one of their own. 

    (I take that back, Quirk provided a very good set of requirements. All of which Glitch filled except for one which Glitch can't fill because there is no marketing for Glitch yet that I've seen. So it may or may not fit one requirement of Quirk's. Also, G Yogini provided one, but it was a very vague one from a link she probably Googled-up. Of note, Glitch also fell into her definition.)

    "Just because you think that Glitch is a family game doesn't make it so."

    What would make it so, Eliza? Would objectively definining what a family game is work? Followed by then explaining why Glitch fills the criteria for this objective definition?  If so, I've already attempted to do that.

    Again, what is a family game, to you, Eliza? As-is, you're saying it's not simply based on your opinion. While I haven't provided the best reason (Wikipedia is a terrible resource I admit), I at least used something else to back-up what I'm trying to say. You're trying to say it's not a family game, but based on what definition? Provide your definition alongside a reason for it, and we can go from there. 

    Thanks for your reply.

     
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Is it just me or has this thread gone around in so many circles that all I can hear now is this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04&feature=related
    Posted 15 months ago by gallagirl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's not just you.
    Posted 15 months ago by Theremina Lute Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Tell that to my friend's family guild on WoW. He, his wife, his two daughers, his brother, and his mom and dad all play WoW together. They're all 14 and up. Guess what. In their family guild, you can't use language and you have to keep it polite and clean. They also recruit players they meet in-game, and they are expected to follow rules. When new people join, they preface it as 'this is a family guild.' What do you think he means when he says that? How would you interpret that, subjectively or objectively?--Mr. Dawgg

    I would interpret that as his realization that WoW is NOT a family game, thus necessitating the creation of a family guild.  I would interpret it that way because that's precisely why my family/friends created a WoW guild that our children could play in safely, and enabled every filter and turned off every chat channel.  Because it's not a family game.  Thus requiring additional protections to make it acceptable for our kids.

    To follow your analogy, you would like to be able to form exclusive groups within Glitch and have various filters available to you.  Groovy, I'm all for that!  But that's not what you've been saying here -- you've been lobbying for the ENTIRE GAME to submit to your personal filters, and that ain't going to happen.
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Galla, that's spot-on.  This thread has been worthwhile for the entertaining links alone!
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg: I defined "family game" (as I see it) in my reply.  I will quote it here, since you could not find it the first time:

    No game that you play individually on separate computers is a family game.  You want a definition of "family game"?  A game you can play together, as a family, and interact within your family.  Board games are awesome family games.  Hasbro even has that whole "Create a family game night" tagline now.  Maybe some console systems have good "family games," in the sense that they have broad appeal, can be played by more than one person at a time on one system, and cause interaction between family members.  The Wii and the Kinect come to mind.

    ETA: Requesting that people only use what you consider to be appropriate language is a request for people to suppress language they would otherwise use, which is censoring.  

    Censoring: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable <censor the news>; also : to suppress or delete as objectionable (Merriam-Webster).
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, I assumed you were only talking about board games. I mean family video games. I should have clarified.

    Pallas, shows starting, but I'll reply to your post later. You make a good point, but WoW is also a game that's gone public. WoW itself doesn't use foul language either. Although someone said that they did in later expos. Though I played only during the very start and I don't recall any.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg:  See my comment again.  I do allow for video games, specifically console games that appeal to various age groups and allow for more than one person to play at a time.  In my view, if the game requires a separate computer or console for each person in order for them to play "together," they are not really playing together, and as such it is not a "family game."
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • this is the greatest thread of all time.
    Posted 15 months ago by Zimmi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • oooh, the court jester is back! most excellent!

    here's my definition of "visible": it goes in and out of the lungs.

    as you see, oxygen can most certainly be made to fit my definition. i am also defining "mauve" as "the color of anything that can be put into a balloon".

    as you can plainly see, my definitions are correct.

    if you wish to challenge me, i will pretend that i am reasonable and go through the motions of having a discussion debating things that are already closed matters.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • flask: you are my hero.
    Posted 15 months ago by magic panda Subscriber! | Permalink
  • AND i have a trombone.

    cheese.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • can i have some of your mauve oxygen?  It must be great.  Oh and I like cheese too.  :)
    and more trombones. 
    @gallagirl, thats a great link!  But thats what I hear whenever someone starts talking about sports.
    I hate sports.  All sports.  In fact I think that game of crowns should be removed because it is similar to sports and I don't want to be around anything involving sports.
    Wow, if you say sports too much it really sounds funny.  Try it: sports, sports, sports, sports...
    Posted 15 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm laughing so hard @flask that there's nothing visible left in my lungs.
    You've turned it into the "generic proposal" thread all over again in a few short, masterful strokes. With cheese, even.
    And now with bonus trombones.
    D12, flask. D12.
    Posted 15 months ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • (Apologies; I was off-topic.)
    Posted 15 months ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • you all perhaps think that "trombone" is a randomly seized-upon noun.

    i assure you it is not. i am a veteran of the great trombone wars of 2005-2007. recently i have had to bring my trombone out of retirement to protect decency in public behavior, so i have it sitting right here behind me at my desk.

    all true, i SWEAR.

    edit before posting to catch typo. public. pubLic.

    could have been disastrous.

    sports sports sports.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • sports sports sports sports...
    starting to sound like spork, which is a half spoon, half fork.  but they really creep me out as well...so i hope Glitch never finds the need to incorporate sporks either.
    so no kids, trolls, language, sports or sporks and I think we will all be pretty happy.
    Now how about glitches fornicating....now that would definitely cause a stir and a thread or seven.
    sports sports sports sports...
    Posted 15 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Gadzooks! You said the F word!!!
    Posted 15 months ago by Miss Muffett Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Here. Stewart says who the audience of this game is. That's what you've been asking for, right? And while he doesn't specifically say it's not a "family" game, he does, specifically say who the marketing is targeting (and there is already marketing, btw...not sure how anyone found it if there isn't).

    Not for your average FarmVille player 
    Because Glitch is a thinking-person's social game, Tiny Speck is not aimed at the entire world, at least not at first, especially not teens eager for the next World of Warcraft. Instead, Butterfield admitted, "There's not a better way to say [who we're targeting] than people with above average intelligence and sophisticated tastes, in their 20s or early 30s...The intersection of NPR listeners and game players."

    Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10449721-52.html#ixzz1YpWIEhLt
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Gadzooks- I think I just wet myself. Honestly though I am a fan of the spork - so darn practical and a space saver too. The problem is I can't find a silverware set that has them and the plastic ones are far too tacky for dinner parties.
    Posted 15 months ago by gallagirl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Man, I'm impressed with the sheer number of responses this post has generated. 

    I feel like Mr. Dawgg is getting pretty severely counter-trolled though. He really needs someone on his side.

    I say Glitch is a family game. I rocked this one rock's world so fucking hard! And I find nothing in that statement to be offensive to anyone between one year old and one hundred.
    Posted 15 months ago by Liza Throttlebottom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • All I have to say is that flask and Quirk are my heroes.
    Posted 15 months ago by Sheepy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fun with semantics:

    IF we accept that a PG-13 movie is a "family movie" and so a "PG-14" game would be a "family game," then great.

    I hadn't read the ToS closely and now that Eliza pointed out that individuals 14-17 need their legal guardian to approve (even if that is just because 14-17 year olds can't legally agree to the ToS), that would mean that this isn't a PG-14 game. It is closer to a R rated game (if we are sticking to the shaky movie analogy).

    Ergo, I can show my breasts.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fornicate!!
    Fornicate, fornicate, fornicate...now that is starting to sound like a wizard spell from harry potter...which is a family movie I might add so its relevant to this thread...
    And i resent being called a troll, I prefer hobgoblin, although that may be misconstrued as a sexual innuendo, so elf or gnome may be more appropriate. Unless of course you were refering to troll in fishing terms, then I have done that in college although I did not find it fun since it was november and in New Jersey and freezing...
    oh wait what was I saying...oh yeah :
    sports sports sports
    Posted 15 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza, I don't know if that would be a widely accepted definition. But, ok. So a family game is a game that people sit next to together to play. Ok. Glitch is not a family game because people play it while on different PCs. Ok. Sure. But, I don't buy it. What if they are playing on a LAN? I've done LAN parties for all types of games. Does that count? So is a game a family game when you're playing it in close proximity and then suddenly lose family game status when you play it seperately? 

    I think video conferencing also grays it. Because my friend plays D&D using webcams on skype. Not my cup of tea, but there's a degree of togetherness there for them. I play other games using skype as well, and there's a stronger feeling of 'connectedness' as well. So overall, I disagree with your definition for a family game. I'm not feeling it. Though, I do agree with the need for some kind of connection being needed, but why can't that happen with individual PCs?

    And also guys, it's disrespectful to me to mock and my thread like this. I don't really see how you can consider me a 'troll.' You guys are the ones really doing the wrong here. Also, if you find the thread boring, please keep it to yourself. We're not trying to entertain you. Thanks.

    Quirk, there you go. Though ultimately, I don't see TS turning down people who want to pay for the game. Intended audience or not, the game has appeal for a wide range of people. Though, this means that your #3 requirement isn't fulfilled.

    Thanks
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg

    You asked for our ideas but refuse to accept any of them.

    I asked you nicely one question and you still haven't answered it, why?

    What are the ages of your children?
    Posted 15 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "my thread"??

    You post a question in a public forum, and expect to control the responses? Personally, I have found them quite educational.  Trombones, for example.  And the tromboners who play them.  Kinda like pickles, but different.

    No one is making fun of you.  You posted an absurd idea and people are making fun of the idea. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If this is a family game, then it is false that one may use bad language in this game (Mr. Dawgg)
    <<if p, then q>>

    One may use bad language in this game  (Stoot, the guy who's metaphorical pub we're hanging out in and who gets to decide the rules appropriate to this game.)
    <<not-q>>

    Therefore, it is false that this is a family game.
    <<not-p>>  (modus tollens--deductive logic)

    What more is there to discuss?  I'm with Lord Bacon-o--the key here is that this is not a public space.  You can take your kids to a pub/bar at your discretion, but to then be offended that people are engaging in adult behavior there is a bit bizarre.
    Posted 15 months ago by noqualia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • FYI:
    Troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument  (obviously has worked since this thread is 300+ posts)
    OR
    a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response (as Mr Dawgg has done) or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. (to which I am guilty of at this point, on this I do agree with you Mr.Dawgg.  I am one to admit when I am wrong or when I understand someone elses point of view.)

    Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities. Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore it, because responding tends to encourage trolls to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning: "Please do not feed the trolls".

    This last sentence is exactly why I have chosen to become a "troll" in this situation, because it is obvious that nothing anyone says, no matter how many facts, links, quotes or +1's they get, will change your mind on this subject. (whatever subject it is, at this point I have no idea what point you are trying to make)  I am ignoring you but only after I say this:
     yes you are right, yes I agree, yes the game is meant for families, yes it appeals to everyone (even my pussy cat), no I will never curse ever again.  I apologize for being disrespectful, since it is so obvious that you are respectful of everyone elses opinions.

    Oh ampersand sports, sports, sports, sporks and fornicate!!  Thats what I have to say about that.  Now can I have a cymbol crashing?
    Posted 15 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • When I play Glitch it's like going to a great cocktail party adults can say do what they want, without censorship even better.  Intelligent people never consider being so rude as to bring their ankle biters to the party and ruin it for everyone else.  The real party killers are the ones that demand you change your and everyone else behavior for the benefit of their children.  Everybody just wishes they would hurry up and leave and take their uninvited, underaged kids with them.
    Have I understated the anaolgy?
    Posted 15 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • xoxJulie, sorry I thought your question was rhetorical. I don't have kids. Not a fan of children.

    WindBorn, again, 'the thread I started.' Same difference. I am being mocked, and it's disrespectful. You mock me now. I don't really care, but it still is what it is.

    noqualia, life isn't black and white like that. Some is ok, but we should be more responsible and not use it at all. Absence is best, but some isn't the end of the world. 

    Besides, I think Quirk pretty much found the nail in the coffin. Though, I will still assert that the game appeals to a wide audience whether Stewart intends for it not to. I will not call it a 'family game' til a more objective definition is found that we can all agree on. I will say, instead, this is public chat. Such as, 'this is public chat, watch your language.' Rather than, "this is a family game, watch your language.' Cool? Cool.

    Also, a few things from Stewart though, from the link WindBorn provided:

    http://beta.glitch.com/forum/general/6283/#reply-69764

    "1. This is not a game for kids.* 

    2. That doesn't mean anyone can just say anything they like in public areas: players are assumed to be able to conduct themselves with some basic and reasonable decorum, tact and consideration for others.

    3. There is no right of expression/free speech in the Glitch. 

    4. We'd prefer not to use code to filter language used on the site (with a few exceptions) because we're not smart enough to make the computers smart enough to figure out all the context: It's ok to say "fuck" or "shit", occasionally. But, extensively discussing details of fucking or shitting in a way that any normal person would find inappropriate in a shared/public space will result in players getting silenced or their accounts deleted.

    5. Sometimes people will act inconsiderately or irresponsibly or without tact or decorum and we'll miss it or won't be able to act in time to prevent other people from seeing it. That's unfortunate but it is worth it for the sake of having generally free/open channels of communication, and we will work our butts off to make sure that extreme vulgarity/crassness does not become the standard.

    * Dagnabit Rabbit, I had never heard of the ICRA before you mentioned it, but having Googled it, it sounds like they are out of the ratings business. So I don't think there is any way for us to "get our rating changed" (I don't think you get to rate yourself anyway — no one ever asked us what we should be rated)."

    So let's self-police. If you really feel you have to use foul language in public chat, go for it. But probably a good idea not to. Thanks.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • noqualia, as a Philosophy graduate myself, I doff my cap to your modus tollens.  And yes, that is an innuendo.
    Posted 15 months ago by Cindy Electronium Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually, it's probably a good idea to use foul language in public chat.

    Parents will be less likely to confuse Glitch with a game that's appropriate for children.
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And also guys, it's disrespectful to me to mock and my thread like this. I don't really see how you can consider me a 'troll.' You guys are the ones really doing the wrong here. Also, if you find the thread boring, please keep it to yourself. We're not trying to entertain you. Thanks. -- Dawgg

    Failing to agree with you != disrespect.  "We" may not be trying to entertain, but you're doing a marvelous job of it.  and I'm not finding the thread boring at ALL!!  

    I don't know if you've spent a lot of time on forums, but you really have no control over where a thread goes once you start it.  It's as if you intentionally knock a hole in a water main, and then complain about what gets wet.

    I fail to see what the language of WoW's game engine has to do with anything -- you seem to be making my point for me.  So thank you?

    Now that I have seen mauve oxygen, I can only anticipate seeing Bacon Breasts.  I can't decide whether the prospect is tantalizing or horrifying.  Maybe both?
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
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