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Make a Crab Happy rotation DOES include the super rare SB-1 block

This is lengthy, and feel free to refute me if you have proof to the counter, but I think my theory holds up...

To "make a crab happy" you need to play the musicblock it has heard the least recently. Not including the SB-1, there are 26 musicblocks (5 of each type plus the GnG). When you play a block, the crab will either say, "I just heard that one!" or give you between 50 and 650 currants, the number going up in increments of 25. It is theoretically possible that the crab gives out currants randomly, but I believe the currant amount is attached to how recently the block you are playing was played before. Like this:

1st block (played MOST recently) - "I just heard that!"
2nd block (played second most recently) - 50 currants
3rd - 75
4th - 100
5th - 125
6th - 150
7th - 175
8th - 200
9th - 225
10th - 250
11th - 275
12th - 300
13th - 325
14th - 350
15th - 375
16th - 400
17th - 425
18th - 450
19th - 475
20th - 500
21st - 525
22nd - 550
23rd - 575
24th - 600
25th - 625
26th - 650 currants
27th (only possible if the SB-1 is included) - 2000 currants plus the achievement

Support of my argument:

I tried to grind this achievement over the last several days and ended up playing about 150 musicblocks randomly for all 6 crabs (i.e. 25 random musicblocks to each crab). The randomization is important. The odds of each individual block may vary but so long as there is always 1 correct musicblock (the one played the least recently) and 25 incorrect options, I should have a 1 in 26 chance of playing the correct one (a roughly 3.8% chance). I did not get the achievement, but I did get all the other amounts of currants plus the "just head that" option roughly six times each (I received 425 currants only three times and 225 currants 8 times, but you get the idea).

Sure, it's possible that I was just really unlucky, but if you look at the top ten achievers, NONE of them (including myself) have the "make a crab happy" achievement. And these are people who grind hard, who sit in their backyard, killing themselves with no-no powder for hours just to become Dracula. Odds are good they've tried to grind this one out as well and have failed. And then of course there are the masses of glitchen who have been playing for months, and very few of them have the badge. That kind of widespread "unluckiness" just doesn't seem possible.

Common faulty counterarguments:

1. "I have the achievement, and I got it playing some random musicblock, like DG-2!"

There are a handful of glitchen out there with the SB-1. Thus, every time one of those glitches plays an SB-1 for a crab, 26 other glitchen get to use the other boxes to get the achievement before the crab needs to hear the SB-1 again. If you ask on global chat or in the forums, you'll usually find a few who do have the achievement, but not nearly the number that should be proportional to how many people are TRYING to get the achievement.

2. "Your statistics are wrong. The odds are much less than 1 in 26, because some musicblocks are played often and can never be the correct choice."

Some musicblocks ARE played most often and have a lower likelihood of being played most recently. An average glitch may play the musicblock she thinks is most rare, the higher numbered boxes because they sell for more, or the BB-5 or GnG because they actually are rare, meaning these probably have lower odds of being the best choice. You'll have a hard time getting the achievement with a GnG because glitchen with GnGs may just carry that one around as their one musicblock to play. BUT, so long as you select your musicblock at random, and because there MUST be at least one correct musicblock, the odds should stay firm at 1 in 26.

So... if there's anyone out there with an SB-1, let me know if you got the achievement with your SB-1. Or heck, I'll pay you 40k just to borrow the SB-1 for a minute to use on a crab and test my theory.

Posted 13 months ago by Jessup Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Lol i didnt even think the SB-1 Existed anymore since they removed it from auction searches though I may be wrong
    Posted 13 months ago by Clone Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i've have the same theory too. it just seems that far too few ppl have this achievement if SB-1 isn't included.
    Posted 13 months ago by kid4today Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If it works, can I borrow it for the next crab? Several days? Try several weeks. And statistically annoying is that I've gotten the "I just heard that" at least 5 times.
    Posted 13 months ago by snarkle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • SB-1 still exists. someone was nice enough to let me hear it over a week ago maybe. Who? I haven't a clue. But I was happy to hear it.
    Posted 13 months ago by Queen Zipporah Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This doesn't make any sense. If the SB-1 was included, then nobody would ever get the badge besides the one(?) person with the SB-1, since that block will forever be the least recently heard, and nobody else would be able to play it for the crab.

    EDIT: I originally posted an incorrect explanation here of why I thought the likelihood of getting the badge is so low. I have since retracted it to make myself look less like an idiot :)
    Posted 13 months ago by Lx’s Ghost Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whuh, Lx?  In your scenario, I would call A the least recently heard, unequivocally.

    At any rate, if the rotation does require SB-1, I think it should be a bug.  If it's not considered a bug, we need some philanthropic SB-1 owners to go around playing SB-1 to crabs a lot.  I'd call working the way Lx describes a bug too.

    If you can wrangle 25 or more people to play blox in order, it's very likely at least two of them would get the badge, right?
    Posted 13 months ago by Zauberberg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am not sure how any of your numbers are more than theory. I am not sure that you payout list makes any sense. Where you getting 650 ever? If you did, was it more often with GNG?

    Also, since the SB1 never seemed to be included in previous runs (pre-launch) and GNG definitely wasn't, that pay structure would make no sense.

    I'm not saying you're wrong, just that nothing here seems to indicate that you are right.
    Posted 13 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you're trying to get it, try getting a group of people together to play 25 of the 26 music blocks to a crab, and then you do the 26th.
    Posted 13 months ago by Jurkowski Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Or there is another simpler way LX.

    Whenever a song is heard again..its counter is reset.  So in your example.

    BABC simplified down to ABC, making it so A is the answer.  For a larger set.

    AGEWQABAAGWEQRWEDAGEWQA  (yay headroll the keyboard).
    The 'simplified version' is now.
    BRDGEWQA

    This would also guarantee there is always a right answer...and the ability to get maximum money.  It also makes something that resembles sense.
    Posted 13 months ago by Seilong Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yeah, for what it's worth, before the reset, the crab hated the SB1 and never gave you anything for it, and i would be surprised if they added it to his list after the blocks were lost in the reset...
    Posted 13 months ago by katlazam Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lx, In your scenario clearly Box A would get the badge. There are only 3 options, and since the crab listened to box b and box c, then box a would have to get the badge. That B was played before A is irrelevant once it was played again after A.

    Now also consider a block D. Let's make block D the SB-1 and give it to one person. As soon as D is played, then another block becomes the least recent and everyone will get the badge, just not the person with the SB-1 block. Jessup mentioned this and he's right.

    Jessup I think you're right. So when you approach the crab the probability of getting the badge are either 0 (the chance he needs an SB-1) or 1/26 (the chance he doesn't need the block). So if you think what percent of time he needs an SB-1, you can see how your chances are considerably lower. 

    Said another way, out of the 6 crabs in the game if there's only 1 that doesn't need an SB-1, and you went to a random crab, the chance of you getting the badge would be 1/26 x 1/6 or 1/156.  That's being generous though. I bet most of the time all the crabs want an SB-1 and your chance is actually 0.

     
    Posted 13 months ago by The Mick Jagger Kid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lx: As I explained above, once one glitch plays an SB-1, then SB-1 is no longer the musicblock played least recently. Thus the next glitch who comes along has a chance to get the achievement by playing some other musicblock. And, in fact, the achievement has to be reached with every other single musicblock before someone can get get it again using an SB-1.

    Lord Bacon-O: I received 650 four times. While discussing it on the cubicle chat, at least one other achievement hunter had received 650 currants. I'm sure there are more. I always received it on low blocks (DG-2, DR-1, etc). GnG was usually in the 250 - 350 current range, again because people with GnGs usually play them, thus making it commonly used, even though it is a rare game item. I can't prove I'm right, but I'd bet 50k I am.

    Jurkowski: I saw someone do just that and it didn't work. She stood by the crab in Liminski caverns, kept a list of musicblocks played, and kept summoning people down to play new ones. Apparently near the end there was a bit of confusion as to what had and hadn't been played, but no one ended up getting the achievement.
    Posted 13 months ago by Jessup Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hi Jess

    I have no idea about crabs and the SB-1 musicblock, but i have had 650 currants frequently from the crabs...how frustrating if you say I was close to the badge! Fluked the badge in beta, but don't feel like I will get it again now...
    Posted 13 months ago by Violet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Jessup, you're right, I was exaggerating a bit when I said no one would get the badge besides the SB-1 holder... there would be 26 opportunities to get it in the aftermath of it being played, like you said. I guess what I find hard to believe is that the SB-1 is played often enough to account for all the crab badges that have been attained. I've actually had the SB-1 played for me in-game by someone named Jason, who claimed he was the only one who had it... he might've been joking/lying/misinformed, but in any case, I can't imagine there being more than a handful of them out there, let alone that they're being played to crabs on anything near a regular basis.

    For what it's worth, Sumi got this badge just yesterday. If your theory is correct, it stands to reason that the SB-1 has been played recently, and there should be 25 other people who have gotten the badge in the last day or so. Has anyone else seen any of their friends get the badge recently?
    Posted 13 months ago by Lx’s Ghost Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lx: Good point. There is the possibility that the achievement is just buggy, or there's some further unknown criteria involved. Anyway, who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and TS will just fix it and we'll all be able to get it with a little grinding. But until then I hope this post dissuades people from running around all day from crab to crab like I did. I'm still feeling a slightly sheepish from the whole ordeal.
    Posted 13 months ago by Jessup Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It turns out that the OP is correct.  A friend with the SB-1 played it for a crab and got the badge.  The friend then, kindly, played the block for all of the other crabs... so now everyone has a shot at getting the badge, at least for a little while.  Hooray!
    Posted 13 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • huh. that seems kinda unfair since it's really impossible for people to acquire SB-1.

    good thing i already have the badge. /humblebrag ^__^
    Posted 13 months ago by Fur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, I guess that settles it. Hats off to you, Jessup, for figuring it out. I was wrong, and you were right :)
    Posted 13 months ago by Lx’s Ghost Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hey, man thanks, but I don't think I'd have tried if you and others hadn't shown interest in the achievement get. Thanks for adding to the discussion!
    Posted 13 months ago by Jessup Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Someone form a Play SB-1 To Crabs group ASAP please!
    Posted 13 months ago by Warrender Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ugh, that's not fair. SB-1 shouldn't be included in the list. I'm not even sure GNG should be included.
    Posted 13 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree but it's up to Tiny Speck.  Most likely, they don't mean to have SB-1 and GNG count either and it's just a coding oversight.
    Posted 13 months ago by Warrender Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm sure the SB-1 being included is a bug.  I also agree that GNG shouldn't be included -- while they're relatively common now, in a year or two how many players that have them and are active will care about carrying them around for crabs?
    Posted 13 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hi I just got the badge playing DR4.  :D
    Posted 13 months ago by Fyxxen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fyxxen wrote: Hi I just got the badge playing DR4. :D

    Only because some kind soul had probably already played SB-1 and/or GNG to that same crab earlier.
    Posted 13 months ago by Warrender Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Exactly so, Warrender.  Someone went around and played SB-1 to all of the crabs last night, so the badges will be easier to get for a very short while.
    Posted 13 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It was the crab at Oktyabrya Uralia btw. ~  Many thanks to the kind person who played the SB1 :)
    Posted 13 months ago by Fyxxen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If this is a bug, and I think it should be *unless* there are plans to have the Rube re-introduce the block to the general populace along with Ayn Rand and Wittgenstein dolls, then Jessup should totally be rewarded an SB1 for excellence in bug-finding prowess!
    Posted 13 months ago by katlazam Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think my head just exploded.  I'm confused.
    Posted 13 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sigh, I just played a DR5 and got the 650c, but no badge. 
    Posted 13 months ago by Folderol Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Here is a group with a plan for getting the achievement.
    www.glitch.com/groups/RHFGL...

    I guess they need 1 person with a SB-1 to make it work.
    Posted 13 months ago by Rayana Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow way to go Jessup for figuring this out! This makes a lot of sense indeed as I've gotten 650 numerous times yet no badge. Thanks glum and the SB-1 block owner for confirming this theory!
    Posted 13 months ago by TomC Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Jessup, I will take that bet! 50,000 currants. You say SB-1 is included. I say it is not. (I have no proof either way, but it is a fun wager!)

    To be settled by a staff member giving an answer in a location we both can see it (or given to us both individually).
    Posted 13 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Lord Bacon-o: I guess you didn't see this post then?

    glum pudding wrote: It turns out that the OP is correct. A friend with the SB-1 played it for a crab and got the badge. The friend then, kindly, played the block for all of the other crabs... so now everyone has a shot at getting the badge, at least for a little while. Hooray!
    Posted 13 months ago by Warrender Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, there you go. Missed it.
    Jessup, I owe you 50k. I'll mail it to you later this evening (gotta go do some mining!).

    Edit: Bet paid off! Jeesup is 50k richer.
    Posted 13 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hi. I was totally amazed to get the badge last nite with a DB4. Have been doing the crab run frequently, but wasn't trying for the badge and was just playing the boxes randomly. Did play the GNG at some point but never had the SB1.
    Posted 13 months ago by ElleD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Just got the badge with XS-2 in Scribe's Weald :)
    Posted 13 months ago by Lx’s Ghost Subscriber! | Permalink
  • After some thought, however, I have to say that this is incorrect (emphasis mine):

    "As I explained above, once one glitch plays an SB-1, then SB-1 is no longer the musicblock played least recently. Thus the next glitch who comes along has a chance to get the achievement by playing some other musicblock. And, in fact, the achievement has to be reached with every other single musicblock before someone can get get it again using an SB-1."

    Not true. Every other block has to be played again, but not every play will necessarily result in the achievement. For example, imagine that XS-2 was played immediately before SB-1. If someone were to play XS-2 as the first block after SB-1, they would not get the achievement, and it would in fact be impossible for anyone else to get it with XS-2 until the next "round" (since SB-1 has now become less recently heard). So while there are 26 opportunities to get the badge after an SB-1, the only way for all them to be had is for the blocks to be played in perfect order (i.e. the order they were heard prior to SB-1). More likely, only a handful of people would be lucky enough to stumble upon the least recently heard on their turn. This explains why there hasn't been an influx of ~150 people getting the badge.
    Posted 13 months ago by Lx’s Ghost Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Aha! I entered the world just now and found 50k in my mailbox. A Bacon-O always pays his debts! Hats off, sir. And I'll be sure to come up with another half-crazed theory in the near future and give you a proper chance to win your money back.

    And Lx, you're absolutely right. There's a max of 26 opportunities, but probably only a handful of actual achievement gets before the SB-1 pops back up.
    Posted 13 months ago by Jessup Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So frustrating. Just got 650c from 2 different crabs (one using DB 4 and the other DR 5). so close...
    Posted 13 months ago by Dr. Flavius Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I got the badge, absolutely random. And I would have gotten it a second time just yesterday. I played the DB-4 when I got the badge. And yesterday I got the 2000 currants for playing the DG-3.
    Posted 13 months ago by Ancale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Just a bit ago Araldia went around and played SB-1 for all the crabs and then there was a rush and a few people got the badge. I did complain to her that it was included but she informed me that it is not in fact impossible to get. There is some action that will drop an SB-1.

    What it is I have no idea but it is possible.
    Posted 13 months ago by SkyWaitress Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Didn't manage to get the badge, but heads up to everyone that I played BB4 for all six crabs.
    Posted 13 months ago by Kieley Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hmm, if BB-5 is already so rare I can't imagine an SB-1. Might be as low as 1 in a million.
    Posted 13 months ago by TomC Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Perhaps the random action involves being super nice to a dev!
    Posted 13 months ago by Sirenegade Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not 100% certain, but I think that SB-1 is in either the Rube or the Gameshow Wheel's inventory (or maybe both) - just at a super-super low probability.
    Posted 13 months ago by Snazzlefrazz Subscriber! | Permalink
  • When the SB-1 was first introduced back in alpha, it came via the Rube, so this would make sense.
    Posted 13 months ago by katlazam Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I can also provide a supporting anecdote - I also have a friend with SB-1, who got the achievement with it, and thereby determined to play it for crabs once in awhile so the rest of us lowly ones can get the achievement.

    Not that it needs any support at this point.
    Posted 13 months ago by Stuv Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just got it !!!!!!!  XS-4 OMG Im so stoked!!!!.
    Posted 13 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Stuv, could you provide supporting evidence of how your friend got the SB1 in the first place? Did it come from a dev or from the game? At this point, that's the question that needs support!
    Posted 13 months ago by katlazam Subscriber! | Permalink
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