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Street Project Badges

It's been stated that street projects are dead and will not return (understandably so). Feats are here, and so are feat badges. So, why are street project badges and trophies still on the encyclopedia achievements list? Why do they still count on the achievements leaderboard? Previously when badges were no longer attainable they were taken off of the general achievements list and no longer counted towards the leaderboard. It seems street projects should go the same way. Those badges mock me!!!

Anyway, that is all. Just hoping a bunch of people give me an 'amen' and those darned things no longer count.

Posted 42 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • (... ideas forum?)

    I for one see nothing wrong with the existence of retired badges.  People who've been here longer have more opportunities, just like in any other game.  And some opportunities get missed, and you move on.
    Posted 42 days ago by Pale Queen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Noooooooooo!!!! Not you PQ!!! I knew somebody was going to say ideas forum but didn't think it would be you! Notice I never said take them down, I just asked why I lot and tried to prompt a discussion. It's been in ideas, hell, it's there now, 75,000 ideas down and ignored a handful of times. Was just trying to give it visibility.

    On the notion of whether that is the way it should work, two points: 1. TS has a precedent already, they always remove badges that are no longer generally available, they have just been really slow with these and 2. Having a leaderboard that only old players can be on top of because it isn't possible for new players to get those same badges seems like a really bad idea.

    Oh, and to clarify, I see nothing wrong with 'the existence of' them either, they just shouldn't count on the leaderboard. All of the other no longer available badges 'exist', and so should street projects.
    Posted 42 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Currently there are a few achievements that still count for older accounts and are no longer available.

    Toe Dipper - Played game for 15 minutes; it has been completely deleted from profile pages and Encyclopedia, but anyone who had the badge still has 1 point for it.

    Homesteader - Bought a house; still there but you can't buy houses any more.

    Confounder of Logic - Unlearned unlearning, still there but no longer possible either.

    Street Creator Trophy achievements are still obtainable because there are still pieces out there to form a trophy.

    All of the achievements except the Beta achievements still count for the leaderboards score. Beta achievements still count on profiles too.
    Posted 42 days ago by TomC Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So, Tom, given what you said, looks like the entire list of outdated achievements should be updated, not just street projects. And yes, project trophies may still in theory exist, just in exceptionally small numbers at insanely high prices, so not much more fair than them not existing at all. If nothing else, just a declaration of intention or future plans for the leaderboard would be nice. I literally cannot ever pass Sumi, Snarkle and others until they retire (which they show no signs of), and that's fine, I just won't worry about it if I know those badges will never stop counting. However, it does seem a really confusing thing to leave in place before coming out of beta (street project badges being listed).
    Posted 42 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Some people earned them early on; why should they disappear, just because you can't?
    Posted 42 days ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Janitch: I didn't mean disappear, I meant no longer count on leaderboard or appear in the encyclopedia. They would still be listed for the players that earned them as stated above.
    Posted 42 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fair enough, +1 to handling them like other outmoded achievements then.
    Posted 42 days ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Could we street trophy pieces be awarded for home street projects? 
    Posted 42 days ago by iDylan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry man, I agree with you on many things but not on this one.  The mere fact that TS created a badge for ascending out of first beta suggests pretty clearly to me that it was always a deliberate part of the design to have badges that retire.  I don't see it as a problem that this design decision gives Sumi a permanent edge on the leaderboard.  If she were to take a six-month break sometime and thereby miss some special badge-giving event that is never repeated (e.g., I remember when Neopets gave out badges to anyone who logged in on the website's10th birthday, and only on that day), then you might be able to compensate for that edge on that day.  Or not.  I think that's absolutely fine.

    I understand your twitchiness about this, I really really do.  The thought of never getting those street trophies nags at me too.  But in the end, it's an opportunity I missed, and there will be more opportunities to come that other players will miss.  We all hope this game has a long and fruitful life, and over the years badges will come and go.  We'll get the ones we can, and we'll all almost certainly miss out on some.  Yes, even Sumi.  :)
    Posted 41 days ago by Pale Queen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • PQ--It isn't the existence of the badges/trophies that's at issue--it's whether they count on the leaderboard and the difference between how different outmoded achievements are treated. The beta badges do not, I believe, count for the leaderboard (correct me if I'm wrong, someone), but other now-unattainable badges do count, as TomC outlines above. So there's an inconsistency in how the older achievements are handled.
    Posted 41 days ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • PQ: VS's statement was correct. Your argument was actually in favor of my point, the beta badges don't count on the leaderboard, which would imply TS would eventually 'retire' no longer attainable badges.
    Posted 41 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ah.  I see now.  Thanks for the explanation.  I'm a fan of consistency, but I'm actually willing to accept the consistency either way -- if they decide to make them ALL count, that would be just as fine by me as if they made none of them count.  Cheers!
    Posted 41 days ago by Pale Queen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No worries. I probably wasn't clear enough in my initial post.
    Posted 41 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i disagree with retired badges being removed from the leaderboard count. yes, some of them taunt me too, but those players who got them still achieved them. By this logic, locations that are no longer available should also be removed from the count, again, this is unfair to the people who got there
    Posted 41 days ago by Arietty Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Bring the trophy pieces back! Preferably before I spend any more millions of currants trying to get Dirt #3 piece. (On a related note, does anyone want to sell me their Dirt #3 piece for millions of currants?)

    As another person who is super into badges and has talked about this before, my idea would be to:

    1. Make Street Project trophy pieces available again even if they are mega-rare (Rare Items Vendor? Artifacts from feats?) so people have a shot at trying to make a trophy.
    2. Hide the remaining Street Project badges in the encyclopedia so as not to confuse new players, but,
    3. Do not delete them from player counts, because they earned them and because many of them nobody managed to get anyway.
    Posted 41 days ago by Pii Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I still think you should get street project trophy pieces from restoring projects on home streets.
    Posted 41 days ago by ennuienta Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't care about leaderboard points, I just want them out of the encyclopedia.
    Posted 41 days ago by beBlueberry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ooooh...what if....what if there was like, one trophy piece given out per Feat? Just the one! Either to the #1 player, or just random chance, or random chance among the top ___ players, or something!

    Home projects is silly, because Street Trophy pieces were hard to get. Mending home resources is super duper easy and you don't usually have to compete with someone else to finish them. We had to compete with usually at least 75-100 other Glitchen, and only the very top people got them. They worked hard to amass supplies that were rare, long before housing resources routes made everything easy to get. We don't want to diminish the trophies by making them easy to get, that's for sure.
    Posted 41 days ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's not like I meant you'd get a trophy for restoring 5 home projects :P  Make it some astronomical number... and when people find out you could get a trophy piece, there'd be plenty of competition.

    I was involved in the last street projects, and I know how hard they were to get.  I'm not suggesting that they be easy at all.  
    Posted 41 days ago by ennuienta Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok, that part wasn't clear to me ;)
    Posted 41 days ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I was pretty shocked to come in and read that almost no one is backing me up, then I went to Glitchium and confirmed that I am the only single person in this thread who doesn't have a street project badge. Ah hah!!!
    Posted 41 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, it would be very arbitrary since there are other badges that are no longer available (and locations for that matter), but if they were taken away I wouldn't mind personally, but I loves me my trophies. But ultimately the hard work that was put in by all shouldn't be dismissed - I mean those streets still exist right?
    Posted 41 days ago by snarkle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • the point isn't to take them away, its to make them not count for leaderboards. 
    be proud of your hard work! display your trophy. but its hard to compete and stay current when people cant actually obtain such things. its not really competition if someone spots you 20 points to start the game, is it?
    Posted 41 days ago by awesome sauce01 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fyodor. I have no street projects badges, joined after that point.  I don't begrudge anyone their achievements or their place in the Leaderboards because they played before I did.  I am grateful for the alpha work that went on before me by so many players to help  TS make Glitch the great game I have enjoyed during BETA.  I'm not sure I understand the focus on Leaderboards.  No one is ever going to "win" Glitch, just as no one will ever "lose".  The winning is in the playing.
    Posted 41 days ago by FlatEarther Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As someone who was online for street projects but unable to participate due to the sheer number of people who showed up for them and my connection and laptop more than likely exploding, I agree with you. Yes, the badges should exist on people's profiles, similar to the beta ones, but not count for the leaderboards.

    Alternatively, I'd love for the Street Project Trophy pieces to be offered via repairing other people's home streets, if I had a thousand currants for how many projects I've repaired on home streets.... if not that way, then have them possibly be offered as a special artifact piece during feats or something.
    Posted 41 days ago by Ayasta Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I wasn't involved in any street projects, and I'm not really a badger (or at least, not a good badger), but I think the real question here is: what are the leaderboards for?

    If we want to see which Glitchen have been around the longest, and are still active in achieving badges: they should remain as they are, and the old Beta ones should probably come back.

    If we want to see which Glitchen have achieved the most of the currently available badges: we should treat the street project badges as we do the old Beta ones, along with the examples TomC listed, and other badges as they become retired.

    I, personally, think it would be more interesting to see a more volatile leaderboard, with only currently available badges (secret or listed in the encyclopedia) counting towards the rankings, and possibly even ways of seeing who has moved the most within the last [time frame].
    Posted 41 days ago by Oopsy Daisy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Exactly Oops! There just isn't a point for it to exist if it isn't tracking competition, and at this point it isn't (at the very top at least). The top people are deadlocked with a few consistently at the #1 spots because they joined earlier. Join date can be easily tracked without the farce of a leaderboard.
    Posted 41 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry, please don't down grade my badges. Yes I have a few street badges, and all the trophies (all trophies I obtained during Alpha). I spent many hours, used lots of resources, and put in the hard work. To have them wiped away and "not count".. would make me kinda sad.

    Yes, I like working on achievements (it's my main focus on Glitch) and I am near the top of the leader board.. but there will always be a few players that will have the edge on me, and I'm okay with that because they earned them.

    I'm assuming there will always be new badges coming in (some that I might never get) and the board will flux, as it is doing now. I gone from page 1 to page 2 many times.

    ETA: Hey FyodorD, I'm getting you're point of view more as I read down. When I wrote this my POV was seeing these badges as a "fun pickle" or a "2010 Christmas yeti". I don't have a 2010 yeti and I have no desire for one, because I wasn't playing when they were given out. But I wouldn't want my earned badges taken away. If TS want's to make them not count but still show up on our list, then I could live with that, even though, as stated, it would make me "kinda sad". And who knows .. maybe one day TS will plan away to bring the Street Project badges back into the fold, in some other way (ideally, that's what I would like to see happen)? Now give me back my badge for mending over 200 cooking tools ;)
    Posted 41 days ago by Sadie the Goat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Glitch doesn't really have any kind of consistent attitude on this that I understand. There are:

    1. Badges which are no longer possible to get that count.
    2. Badges which are possible to get, that never counted
    3. Badges which are no longer possible to get, which used to count, and which no longer count.

    Similarly on the traveller's leaderboard:

    1. There are locations that are no longer available, and do count. Some of those locations were only available at certain times over a short (two day long?) period.
    2. There are locations that don't count.
    3. There are locations that do count, but are not available to older Glitchen.
    4. Some quests count as new locations, depending on how you get to them.
    5. There are multiple locations that count, but were never intended to be available to anyone. Yet somehow, people are allowed to keep those locations....
    6. There are people who have managed to increment their locations counter, without going to any known location.

    Now, given the name of the game, I've been hesitant to ask for a foolish consistency here. Still, I would like to someday have the option of maybe being on one of those leaderboards. :(

    If you were a new glitch, never learned EZ cooking, Soil Appreciation, and such until you'd learned enough Teleportation to summon people, I bet you could make a mint...

    --Me
    Posted 41 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you get every single badge that's currently achievable, you still wouldn't be #1. Does it really make sense to retain the leaderboard if it literally isn't possible for any new players to make the top? It's very deflating for badge grinders who enjoy compeition knowing that it's impossible to 'win', and I would think it will be very confusing to new players after release.

    What you'd not have if street projects stopped counting on the leaderboard:
    - Advantage on staying locked to the top of the leaderboard

    What you'd still have:
    - Your badges in your badge list
    - Your trophies
    - Pride in completing something that is no longer available

    Seems reasonable enough. Taking these badges out of the total count doesn't devalue them or your effort, it just creates fair competition.
    Posted 41 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'd like to see a "Retired Badges" section of the encyclopedia so that the badges for people who earned them, and i believe i have a couple street project badges myself, would still be there but it would be clear that their no longer attainable.

    I however agree with FydorD in that they shouldn't count towards the leaderboards. I think the leaderboards in general should be overhauled, or gotten rid of, and only include badges and streets that its actual possible to get. I think this would make them more fun for those who like leaderboards and more relevant to the game. 
    Posted 40 days ago by ThursdayNext Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I resent the leaderboards, as they are now, too.

    When it comes to badges, if they were available to all at the time of their existence, and someone earned them fair and square, then they should be displayed with pride ~regardless of whether they have been retired, or not.
    I don't have any of the Street Project badges, oh well....but I do have some of the other retired ones, I earned them fair and square.
    As far as the traveller's board goes, only streets/areas that are freely available to all -at the time of their existence- should count. That would mean, Hell1, Rook's Wood, Cosma test street, etc should count, everybody playing at the time, had a fair chance to go.
    In contrast to that, places like the one that was only known as 'Lisa' (which was accessed by subterfuge) and all of Groddle Isle (which can only be accessed by new players), these places should not count, because at the time of their existence they were not accessible to any and all.
    On a final note, when it comes to the order in which people who have the same number of badges/streets visited etc, they should be listed in random order, to give everyone the chance of having their moment in the limelight, rather than according to a Glitchen's age (the older the account,ie the older the Glitchen, the further back you are listed).

    eta:
    I'd be seriously po'ed if I lost any of my trophies or badges, but I do think it's time to
    just get rid of Leaderboards altogether.
    Posted 40 days ago by ~Scilly~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree....any badges previously earned SHOULD count and if it gets retired then that's a lucky bonus for whoever has it...one small advantage for older players!
    Posted 40 days ago by Pickle Bob Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok, edited due to former crankiness, but seriously, I know you all like your badge counts high, but it's still laughable that every single person against it has some street project badges. Really? I have badges that should be pulled as well, and believe me, I know how hard they are to get and it would hurt, but it's only fair. It's a bit distasteful to sound as though you are defending old players because it's right when really, you are the old player with the unfair advantage.
    Posted 40 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • RESET Bwhahahahahahahaha.
    *runs away and sits eating popcorn watching from a distance*

    but seriously, if it got me a yeti I'd do it, especially a location re-set. I'd love to explore UR all over again.
    Posted 40 days ago by jiva Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree that they should still exist in your list, etc. but not count for the leaderboard.  If we're going to have a leaderboard at all that is, it should be something that anyone COULD get to the top of if they put in the time.  I have like 1 street project badge I think and maybe a few others that are no longer attainable (I joined at the first launch).  I think they should be in my list but not count for my position on the leaderboard.
    I've been wondering why the street project badges haven't been removed yet, I know they have said clearly that the old street projects will not be coming back, but maybe they have some kind of plan for them... if not then at least I think we can all agree that even if they count on the leaderboard they shouldn't be in the encyclopedia (like other unattainable badges) because that will confuse new players.
    Posted 40 days ago by Horakely Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ....If you get every single badge that's currently achievable, you still wouldn't be #1. Does it really make sense to retain the leaderboard if it literally isn't possible for any new players to make the top?...

    this
    Posted 40 days ago by Zira Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fyo-- I'm with you. ;)

    And I have several badges and locations that are no longer achievable.

    @~Scilly~ -- why should the criterion be that the locations were ' freely available to all -at the time of their existence- ' ? Why should someone who's been around longer automatically be guaranteed to be @ the top of this board (assuming they always went to locations when they were available)?

    How about new badges and  traveller's leaderboard that only count badges and locations in the past week / month / year ? Given what we know of their database, this shouldn't be too hard to pull off, even given their constraints on available programmer time.

    --Me, off to ideas forum
    Posted 40 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • don't forget there are also 'new' badges that many of us who have been playing for a long time do not have access to as well - are you going to throw into the mix that these should not count on the leaderboards either? After all, if the purpose is to be fair, then that would only be fair...
    Posted 40 days ago by Arietty Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What new badges do older players not have access to?  If not everyone has an equal chance to achieve it - yes, I do think it shouldn't count towards the leaderboard. Just like I think Gentle Island shouldn't count to streets visited.  But I can't think of a single badge that's attainable by new people and not by older?

    And I would love if the unattainable badges got a differently-named section of the encyclopedia, making it clear - especially with the close names of street projects & restoration projects (on a street).  I know several players who got upset and thought their badges weren't counting, unaware those were different things.

    In other words - +1, Fyo.
    Posted 40 days ago by Kadi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't know of any badges. There are three locations that only newbies have access to-- the quests you get upon completing AK1, EZ cooking 1, and Soil Appreciation 1 take you to locations,  those locations count on the leaderboards, unlearning and relearning those skills doesn't give you back those quests, and staff has made it clear that is by design.

    Oh, and (older) glitchen have gotten into those locations anyway, in spite of all that. @ least one for no known reason, and one was summoned in by a Greeter Twig. So Greeters get an advantage on the leaderboards also (not necessarily a bad thing, but just another in the list of reasons the leaderboards really just mean "all those people who've been grinding forever").

    --Me
    Posted 40 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If only TS understood the pressure I was under from my tiger mom to bring home the badges. She liquidates all my food and I have to poop in a cup just I can spend more time in game getting all the badges and all the things. If they don't bring back the street project badges she's talking about sending me to military school. Don't let this happen. A crew cut would only make my character look more Gomer Pyle-ish.
    Posted 39 days ago by Cleops Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Epic Win 4 Cleops
    Posted 39 days ago by Ryuu Maru Roth Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Please dont take away my old badges!!!
    Posted 39 days ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Innie-- do you mean "please don't take away the extra advantage I get on the current leaderboards because I started playing when currently-unavailable-badges were available" (which is what we're talking about), or what you said (which no one has proposed, as we all agree everyone should get to keep all badges they've ever gotten) ?

    --Me
    Posted 39 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't care about continuing the debate, pretty fruitless, but I am hoping that if this thread stays alive long enough, some staff will come by and state their intentions. Curious to know.
    Posted 38 days ago by FyodorD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 to that.

    Of the 30 badges I've resigned myself to never getting, 11 are projects and 4 trophies. (the rest are subway (2), feats (9), and game of crowns (4), if you're curious).

    --Me
    Posted 38 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think the leaderboards should be overhauled so that only those people who actually have people following them are listed. It would make it more clear that having people following you is actually useful.

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    Posted 38 days ago by Moehr Ossum Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think the leaderboards should be overhauled such that at the beginning of every game day you get one slice of cake for each leaderboard you are in the top 50 players for :) The cake would be meaningless of course, but it'd be neat to see who could acquire the greatest quantity of cake :)
    Posted 37 days ago by Liza Throttlebottom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I really couldn't care less if a badge counts toward a leader board or not, but I am glad to find this thread and find out why I was not getting certain badges.  Whether or not badges are retired or not is not my concern, but I do think that it would be nice to know if a badge that is listed is still available.  I am of the opinion that if a badge is still listed, but unavailable to me, that it be indicated somewhere in the encyclopedia entry for that badge.  A simple notation at the end that stated "This badge is no longer available." would suffice. 
    Posted 32 days ago by Verjil the Tinker Subscriber! | Permalink