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Prime Numbers

I spotted the day number of each month are based on prime numbers. Only Recurse month is not a prime number.

And also, most of achievements are based on a prime number as well!

Is there more based on prime numbers anywhere in Glitch?

Posted 17 months ago by Milolin Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • eek!  Math......~runs away screaming~

    :-)
    Posted 17 months ago by Stormy Weather Subscriber! | Permalink
  •  Stoot has a thing for them. They are EVERYWHERE! :)
    Posted 17 months ago by Misha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • LOL @Stormy! :-)

    Well, there are 11 giants.
    Posted 17 months ago by ♥joby♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Prime numbers? Now that is something I have never been able to get my head around!
    Posted 17 months ago by VickyAlice139 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There are also 11 months (if you do not count Recurse). And 307 days in the year (again, not counting Recurse).

    You can blame Tii for it.
    Posted 17 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Speaking as a math-averse school teacher, I'm glad the game provides a way in for people with so many different learning styles. It will keep the playing community diverse.
    Posted 17 months ago by sakmet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Miolin: I am so glad someone else noticed that :) Geeks of the world, unite!
    Posted 17 months ago by RM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Math? *headdesk*
    Posted 17 months ago by NutMeg Botwin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Tii is my favourite giant for this! :D
    Posted 17 months ago by Saro Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hoooo boy. Math and this glitcharoo never got along so well:)
    Posted 17 months ago by kidsojo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Prime numbers: Any integer only evenly divisible by two other numbers - one and the number itself. It's that "by two numbers" that eliminates one out of the list.

    2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53... That's all I can pull off the top of my head.
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah sure, god I wish I knew what language your speaking in duh - one and the number itself... This is as bad as algebra's stating you can tell if someone is lying....

    Can I please order up a math brain  lol

    Do prime numbers mean or do anything?
    Posted 17 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There's that book "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" in which Oliver Sacks describes twins who love to list prime numbers. Some people love the feel of math... Prime numbers somehow fit into the rhythm and structure of math. Some people just enjoy that. 
    Posted 17 months ago by sakmet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Do prime numbers mean or do anything?"

    Do they ever! Mostly cryptology. But they are also fascinating in how they show up in nature.

    For example: Ulam's Spiral.
    Posted 17 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Very cool link, Lord Bacon-o....
    Posted 17 months ago by sakmet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes good link Lord Bacon-O.   I like that it said he came up with it while doodling!!!!!
    But my initial 'eek' stands....  :-)
    Posted 17 months ago by Stormy Weather Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I submitted a bug report because one of the cooking achievements wasn't a prime number :)
    Posted 17 months ago by Vicereine Linnæa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @xoxJulie - Maybe if I use examples. Integers are the counting numbers (mostly): 1,2,3
    There is no decimals or fractions involved. It also includes zero and negative numbers: 0,-1,-2,-3  Any whole number in fact.
    So when I say any integer that can be divided by only two numbers, one and itself, I mean something like 3 is only divisible by 3 or 1 without leaving a remainder. Same as 2, 5, 7,11..
    4 can be divided 1, 2, and 4... 3 numbers. 1 can be divided by 1 but nothing else divides into it so only one number. 12 can be divided by 1,2,3,4,6, & 12 - 6 numbers, and so on. How would you state what a prime number is? In general terms, without having to give many, many examples of what is and is not a prime number? I actually spelled out the number 1 in my previous definition just because that's a recommended practice in writing numbers in general for, well, stories, articles, and such. So when when I said "Any integer only evenly divisible by two other numbers - one and the number itself,"  you can break it down like this:
    Any integer - pick any whole number.
    Ok. Simple rule, other than zero, all numbers can be divided by 1. And any number can divided by itself (except zero since you can't divide by it).
    Now, you have some number you picked, try dividing it by the numbers between it and 1. If any  of those numbers can divide into the number you originally picked, then the number you picked is not a prime number. If you run through all those numbers and none divide into that originally picked number, then it is prime.
    The idea of a prime number is the same idea of elements in chemistry. In chemistry every chemical is made up of simpler chemicals. And the simplest chemicals are the elements - and they aren't made up of anything else unless you start knocking about with nuclear physics. :) Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Argon, Iron, Gold, Silver, Tungsten (most metals are elements). So too with numbers. Every whole number is made up of prime numbers. "prime" simply means the basic, or fundamental numbers. As one person made an example of, they are used cryptography for one thing, but they show up elsewhere in mathematics, computer science, and other professions. Just like in chemistry, knowing the fundamental building blocks of anything is enabling. Once you know the properties of those building blocks and how they relate to other ones, you know what you can build and the best way to do it. :)
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Prime numbers are cool!!

    2 is the only even prime number, all the rest are odd.

    And they are quite handy when you are trying to determine the least common denominator in fractions too... ;)

    @Linnaea - super neat catch...did they change it for you?  I may have to go rooting around for it if they haven't...but I hope they have...I think it's hilarious that the achievements are based on prime numbers.

    One of my favorite books is by Peter Plichta where he describes his find of a Prime Number Cross in 1993...fascinating read quite frankly...

    And yes, I'm a math g33k if you couldn't figure it out yet...
    Posted 17 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @b3achy - read Knuth's The Art of Mathematics then?
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks for the suggestion...I found the Art of Computer Programming, but not the Art of Mathematics...however Dr. Knuth's books look fascinating (and he seems like a hoot)...thanks for the great tip!
    Posted 17 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I thought it was Knuth, but I may have misremembered. I'll try to find it for you. And the "Art of Computer Programming" is considered a bit of a bible for programmers. I used to own several volumes. I hated to lose them. :(
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I understand chemistry and the idea of elements being the lowest material and building from there yet the connection of math to a cooking achievement I can't even fathom.  Unless we are talking about how many 1 egg, 3 meats etc.  If that is the case, just the number regardless of what item it would seem a telephone book would drive a math geek nuts.  I must be missing something here and am having a really hard time figuring out the what that's missing.  But I am actually trying 
    Posted 17 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Julie, I think what is being referred to is the achievement badges -  for a lot of them, their achievement number is a prime number.  At face value, they just look like a weird choice for achievement level, but they are primes.  However, there are also those that are non prime (composite), so I assume that this is just for variety and for us to discuss in this thread lol!
    Posted 17 months ago by ♥joby♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I confess to having a long term love for prime numbers, just gives me one more reason to love Glitch! :)
    Posted 17 months ago by andonida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Math and spelling were always good subjects for me :) History is the worst. I cannot understand how something done a million years before I was born in a primitive society by people whose names I can't pronounce, has any relative bearing on today. It's been explained to me a ton of times so don't bother trying because I still won't understand. 

    Julie-yes it is just a number of items needed to achieve a certain badge such as 13 friends to be splanked :)
    Posted 17 months ago by Holly Waterfall Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks Joby, thank god one less thing to think about for prime numbers.  The only thing I could think of what I would use a prime number for is a birthday.  Nice to know if it was going to be a prime year or not.  Looking at the prime numbers listed above there are about 16 to 17 in 50 numbers so guessing there would be around 33 in a hundred, or 1/3 of all numbers are prime.  Right?
    Posted 17 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Julie-I looked it up. There are 168 prime numbers (from 1 up to the number 1000). So that gives you 16.8% not quite the 33% that would be a third. 
    Posted 17 months ago by Holly Waterfall Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hehe, was gonna post "Because prime numbers are cool!" and b3achy took the words right outta my mouth. :)
    Posted 17 months ago by Hburger Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh there, I found it:  http://beta.glitch.com/forum/bugs/4659/
    Posted 17 months ago by Vicereine Linnæa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Gee that's a big difference the first 100 numbers being almost/about 1/3 and the next 900 down to 168 or around 1/2 the amount of the first 100.  Seems like a disparity, or harder to divide bigger numbers comes into play.  Awck my brian just blew a fuse, needs soothing orb.  I know later this week.  lol
    Posted 17 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A simple theory holds that if you take a prime number and multiply it by two, there is at least one other prime number between the two values. Seems to work for me. :)
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For the math geeks:  

    Leibniz determined that primes larger than 3 always occurred as multiples of the number 6 with the addition of 1 or 5 (ie, 6n+1 or 6n+5 for n=1,2,3,4,...)

    Plichta refined the formula slightly and determined that for primes larger than 3, they are a subset of the set of numbers calculated by the formula 6n +/- 1  for n=1,2,3,4,.... [however, note that not all numbers derived by that formula are primes].

    And for those wondering...a list of the first 1000 prime numbers....

    And thanks Linnaea for the link...I posted a comment as well...I saw it immediately when I went to the achievements page this afternoon...lol...
    Posted 17 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink