In Andra: swapping out fruits for beans.
In Salatu: swapping out bubbles for beans.
I can only think that either someone wants way too much chili; is fulfilling a quest; or is trying to drive up the market for auctioned bubbles/fruit.
This has been happening in my neck of Alakol for a while now: every day, I walk out onto my street to find three very young bean trees. And the lone bubble tree that no one seems to mess with.
there;s a market for whatever gets planted. i'll harvest and sell anything.
i do notice that many of the tree wars FOLLOW a market boom in one thing, thereby driving down the price of the thing that i think people are trying to get in on. that boom is only profitable if you have stock to sell already.
Beans are for Awesome Stew, the awesomest stew you can stew in your awesome pot. Seriously, the only reason to make anything else is when you cap out the XP on them. Convenientest, mostly vendorable / RHKable ingredients; all except THOSE DAMN BEANS GIMME BEANS!
Cirnots you might be referring to me, I was in Wickdoon Mood yesterday (real time) swapping trees to wood trees because I was on a quest to plant a certain number of trees. Also because wood trees are so under-planted and over-harvested. It was heart-breaking to me to see them dead and cleared within an hour of planting them. =(
@Miso George
Nonono, I've seen people run over there JUST to poison them and replant them just to irritate people. Those Wood haters! :(
If it's for a quest than it's more acceptable, at least you get some use out of it and not just poison them for fun!
i'm not poisoning them for fun; i do not like any street where there are no trees but wood.
i go over on my way back and forth from my house to see if there's anything but wood growing there. if all four trees are wood, out comes the hatchet. if none of the trees is cleared then, i go home for the poison.
and i make a tidy profit on the planks.
if there is more than one kind of tree growing in that street, i tend them all and i'm on my way.
you're not required to subscribe to my idea of good forestry practice, but i'm not there to tick people off. i just quietly go about my business.
and the bonus is that i am not only making a lot of money from it, but i am making very good progress on some badges.
if the tree configuration needs no adjusting, i'm happy. if i have to make adjustments, i'm happy.
flask, your idea is great, but I'm afraid it won't catch on. XD;
And scattered trees are great, except for Wood, which never survives in popular streets.
There are hundreds of people who make or eat Awesome Stew daily, and every single stew contains 20 beans. That is why people who come to a street expecting to harvest the 4 or 5 bean trees that used to be there yesterday get annoyed if those trees got replaced with bubbles, fruit, or wood. And many of those hundreds of upset people have skill in Botany (poisoning trees) and in seasoning new beans to plant in their place.
I admire the generous enthusiasm of people who plant wood trees everywhere, but ... there are only a couple of quests that require a wood tree.
Planting wood trees is anti-newbie. It's the kind of thing glitches do after they've forgotten how it is to have to harvest from trees for survival. Wood trees provide a nearly worthless harvest and that harms new players. They're not 'endangered' they are just temporary by design. If you worry over the 'plight of the wood trees' yell at the developers. They made them the way they are.
Planting a wood tree without waiting and using fertilidust lite is worthless. Then you have to go back and keep using the dust or it will show harvest and clear eventually. Wood trees take special care that you usually cannot have them on a regular street. Neighborhood blocks are the best areas to take care of wood trees.
I go to "dead-end" streets that only have one sign post, find the tree furthest from that sign post, and turn it into a Wood Tree. One street per zone isn't too much to ask, right? I stick around using fertilidust on them, too, to make sure they don't die to the first Glitch passing by. Also, you can eat the planks you harvest off them -- they are not a worthless type of tree!
Stew-eaters are the Hummer-drivers of Ur, whose incessant demands to fill their giant tanks harm the rest of us who have to look at the ugly bean trees which are a blight upon the non-Groddle parts of Ur :(
eta: I would love to see the recipe for stew altered to be a bit less "convenient and mostly vendorable/RHKable". I know that the framework for this stuff is being slowly removed, but stew seems overpowered to the point of becoming a nuisance in its arboreal impact to the game, and I would like to see that rebalanced sooner rather than later.
Beans, beans are good for your heart, the more you eat them the more you fart.
The more you fart, the better you feel, so lets have beans for every meal.
Glitch is a multiplayer game in a shared public space.
There are people in game who like trees of type X and resent it when trees of fype X get poisoned and replaced by trees of type Y. There are people in game who consider it a public service to replace trees of type X with trees of type Y.
Plant and replant whatever trees you like, since the game rules allow it. Just be aware that the game rules also allow for tree activists who disagree with you.
War? No. Kinda funny reactions? Yes! Bortola was once a bubble tree forest. Now it is becoming a bean field. I played a small part, a couple new bean trees. I don't do it to irritate people, but since the mechanism is there, I use it.
It's the damn stew. 20 beans per serving is a lot. Personally, I can make some awesome stew IRL, and there are no beans in it! They should rename it to Zombie Stew. MUST HAVE BEEEAAANNNSSS!!! BEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
I found Meat Tetrazinni's a better bet than Awesome stews, in that it's easier to make them on industrial scales (300+ every game day, since rice and toms grow so much quicker than spuds and cabbages). Does mean raping a lot of fruit trees though for the lemons,
They are only sightly less energy than a stew, and make nice donations, they stack, you can carry shitloads and make really efficient use of shrine powder as they are less individual value than tools, gems or music blocks and donate right up to the favour cap in one go before spending on skills, or just over to collect emblems and push the daily cap up a bit. As you level, the daily xp cap for making them seems to disappear so you make around 10k ish just making the meals alone.
I prefer Expensive Grilled Cheese. Relies on no huge quantity of anything from trees (several allspice per unit) just lots of milk and no-no, a few tomatoes and a bun.
Nothing against wood trees, but there is no reason to have the whole street filled with them. Wood isn't used in any recipe. It's not even "rare" any more. If you are doing it to "help the newbies" as you say, then plant one or two wood trees and leave the rest as something else. The quest you refer to only requires that ONE wood tree be harvested. Therefore the other wood trees on that street are needless redundancies. Beans, cherries and bubbles are ALL needed in the game. Wood is not. If there is a variety of trees on a street, I leave the wood trees alone. If there are ONLY wood trees on a street, I remove some and leave one or two.
Who is being greedy here? Those who want a variety, including wood? Or those who insist that there be nothing but wood on a street?
Harvesting the beans for AS takes too much time. Not only that, but you can sell a stack of beans at auction for 1250c, and a stack of AS at the tool vendor only gets you 160 each (and not that at auction) for only 670c more. I used to make AS all the time but I've branched out into other things. Considering the output of my milk & meat collectors, I can make Wavy Gravy with the addition of flour (cheap to make) and spice. It doesn't stack as well, but it uses what I have with less running around.
There's also a quest to get a max harvest on a wood tree (though that comes with some low skill)- that took me a long time, as I seemed to be unlucky on my tree (mine as in my house).
I don't really get into the tree stuff. I harvest what's there and that suits me fine. The trees on my street seem to change every time I turn around. I think the only place I might make the effort to change a tree would be East and West Spice.
As for cooking, before reset I was on an Expensive Grilled Cheese kick. Since I got my cooking skills back after reset, I've been on a tetrazzini kick. I rarely make the stews, though when I do, I definitely go through my bean stash quickly.
You are correct Knitomaton - wood is used in Cedar Plank Salmon. Forgot about that one, but I can't imagine there are too many people making hundreds of them a day! Beans are are not only used in cooking but are necessary to grow the trees in the first place! Seasoned beans are also worth a lot when sold or donated. Wood cannot be "improved" (other than the salmon) to make it more valuable. Cherries are the base for all fruits in the game - used in cooking and most drinks (I know you can grow strawberries, but really, why would you want to?) and bubbles are necessary for butterflies, and some recipes and drinks, and they're used in seasoning.
Again, I have nothing against wood trees. I do, however, object to an entire street with no other kinds of trees. If you want an entire street of wood trees, plant your residential street that way - if the neighbors agree.
Tree wars are pretty much built into the game. Take it from a wood tree preservationist, no matter how rare or important a tree type may be to an area there will always be someone else who either thinks differently or simply wants to grief other players by killing them all.
Seriously, there are like 8 public wood trees in the entire game at any given time and people will still come in and poison them despite the fact they are needed to complete a quest and are used to construct half a dozen of the most profitable tools in tinkering and are used in some cooking dishes.
Wow, Audaria :P Haven't you invested in your tinkering skills? There are a lot more tools that use planks than their are recipes :P
Also, planks are up there with eggs and gas in terms of pure value. A newbie with a hatchet and a full grown wood tree can harvest 80 planks, sell them to any vendor for 320 and buy an awesome stew and a half :P
So while a diverse arboral thingy is important, wood is not so useless as it may seem to some :P
let's do the math: wood trees take longer to grow and are easy to kill. some people are willing to kill every wood tree there is. other people will spend all their playing time replanting wood.
advantage: anti-wood.
there is yet another group that will kill wood trees if nothing else exists on a street.
advantage: anti-wood.
and some people just didn't like that a group of people unilaterally declared some streets to be wood preserves and took up against them.
it will be interesting to see how well people heavily invested in that battle will progress in the game.
Yes, Liza my tinkering skills are maxed out. I can craft a knife & board, hoe, or hatchet - worth 60 to 100 currants, or even a fancy pick - worth 1000 currants with planks (and there are a few tools with values in between.) OR I can craft a super scraper or a grand ole grinder using nothing but metal and worth 2000 currants each. A quick count reveals 7 items require planks for crafting and 24 items do not.
As I've said THREE times now, I have nothing against wood trees. I have one in my yard. I think they have a place in the world. I never said they were "useless." I even like to see them when I'm out and about. What I don't agree with is a small group arbitrarily deciding that some street will be dedicated to wood and insisting that it can have ONLY wood trees. And I really don't like the fact that those same people leave notes saying that anyone who wants SOME of the trees on that street to be other than wood are "greedy."
it's pretty silly to actively de-forest a street of wood trees using poison when simply leaving them in the hands of random passersby will result in the trees being harvested out naturally pretty quickly. if you wanted to hasten this process, a simple remark in global that wood trees were available would likely do the trick.
I think if you have to poison a wood tree, you're doing it wrong.
And I find it funny how people suddenly care so much about 1 or 2 small public but pretty out of the way streets. So what if they are all wood trees. SO WHAT? LOL this makes me laugh. As soon as someone wants to insist on something, you want to insist right back the opposite. Oh, human nature.
You are trying to tell them their self imposed rule system is wrong by inflicting another one. None of them is more right or wrong.
it's totally fine with me if a group of people want to attempt to make a "wood preserve' by forcing their ideas of good forestry on the rest of us.
the way i read it, that means a LOT of free planks for me. that street is on my way home and i have a hatchet.
you don't HAVE to plant the street the way i like it, but i am at liberty to harvest liberally until the street IS planted the way i like it. meanwhile, lots of profit from sale of planks for me, and lots of opportunities to work on those planting badges for me.
so if you're investing tons of time and expense into making that "wood preserve", i can only say "hey, thanks for the free stuff. keep up the good work."
its hilarious, all these little gangs spend 95% of their gaming time camped in wickdoon mood hoping to plant 4 wood trees. they actually act like they have won some kind of victory when the 4 wood trees are there.
then we come along, harvest, profit.
then replant new trees, profit.
they come back and poison them, replant wood.
rinse.
plus my sales of wood tree beans and other seasoned beans has gone through the roof, made me a millionaire in a week or so. so ty for being so obsessed with planting wood trees, makes my game life so much easier, plus I dont even have to camp the place cause their are so many of these little tree protectors.
profit, profit, profit, fun fun fun and you all got owned :) have a nice day
i'm actually disappointed when i go by and there aren't four wood trees, because according to my rules (which are for MY play and no one else's) i can only chop wood trees if there are four.
i won't chop them to tick people off, but i will chop them to match what i think is best in a street. i don't have time to sit there and guard and tend and plant, but there's grocery vendor there and it's close to my house.
it IS amusing to watch the preservists work hysterically and make groups and alerts, and i maybe SHOULD have been selling fertilidust, because they use a LOT of it.
but it's an excellent source of income. i can even harvest more than once in a game day because the trees get poisoned and replanted and fertilidusted so often that it's 80 planks a pop on four trees nearly every time i go through.
if i had glitchlings. i could have put them through college.
I just don't understand people who 'work on badges.' I just let the badges happen. But then again I've still never, ever, looked at the Leaderboard. Some of the badges are clearly designed to be the 'side effect' of a year or so of playing the game. It's kind of amusing to see completionists rage away trying to finish them as quickly as possible. It's like they have a sticker book and they want EVERY sticker on each page.
We all get to play the way we want to and value the achivements we choose Which also means that people who don't care one wit about badges don't have to participate in helping others attain then. It's sort of rude to interfere for no reason, though.
I dont understand playing a game where your only goal is to be a jerk. Psibertus, I think that maybe you need to re-read the Community Guidelines.
"No griefing or harassing other players. It’s not fun, or funny. Really. If you are in the game for the purpose of pissing other people off, you can’t play."
What you just posted, about how you play the game....Well, it seems an a lot like you are playing to piss other people off, for your own profit.
Parrow Gnolle - Some badges have been critical in extending the game being fun for me. For example: I have a 50k house, I don't need more currants, and there's not much more for me to "achieve" in the game, so I need to make my own fun. Seeing that there is a badge for raising chickens/butterflies/piggies gives me an incentive to do *something* in the game, and I've been wandering around looking for streets I can add more animals without the street becoming more crowded.
I understand what you're saying about wanting to experience the game over time and not just mindlessly grind through badges, but everyone's style of play is different. As always, YMMV.
@Xyrem: I apologise to you. I get continually trolled by the "preservists" and Im always labelled the bad guy.
On Topic
I did not start a tree war. I wanna be clear on that. this war was well under way when I arrived. I also wanna add that I have nothing against wood trees, I just love the zone, its a dead end, has a nice choice of animals, not too many trees so its manageable, a groceries vendor, a shrine to the best giant, Pot and most importantly, the name is really cool.
@Innie: erm no. I specifically chose a zone I liked for the reasons stated above. It made no difference what trees were planted there. also my profit is a side effect of the tree war. but I would still be selling seasoned beans, still using harvested wood for donations and still making as many awesome stews as I could. I'm just tired of players acting like they defeated me personally, when I am profiting from everything I do and also profiting from what they do.