Topic

New Donation Indicator (updated)

Okay, so now it appears that one cannot donate to any given giant in any quantity above one AT ALL beyond the daily favor limitation - even if only for the benefit if iMG. (per the giant summary page I can earn 62,800 more img today from donations, but the Pot shrine wont let me contribute more than 1 seed at a time!!!) Is this an intentional change? Do we need to contribute to multiple giants now in order to reach our daily iMG limit? 

Original post follows:

So, I've got to admit that the calculator is pretty darn cool if you are trying to dial in your donation to hit that next emblem, but dont want to waste your donatables by going over. Fair enough. Indicative!

But, I really like the ability to intentionally go over the next emblem threshold. Yes, this may be a waste in terms of lost favor, but my excess contribution would still count towards my daily img earning limit, which is really what I am after. For the sake of convenience, I'd like to be able to donate (for instance) 1500 yellow crumb seeds with EHSP once, rather than having to break it down into multiple donations (with multiple EHSP applications) which precisely reach each emblem threshold.  

Can I suggest that we be allowed to manually enter a quantity to donate that is greater than the "calculated" limit for the next emblem? Default it to the perfect number, but let us choose to donate more in one fell swoop if we wish? 

Just my .02

Posted 83 days ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • In the past I've always avoided going over the emblem limit, but I could easily see myself in future wanting to conserve EHSP and maximum iMG gains.  A hearty +1 to this well-explained idea.

    However, I also must apply a half-hearted -0.29 for putting it in General instead of Ideas. ;-)
    Posted 83 days ago by Don Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I consider myself duly scolded, sir. ;-)  Forty lashes with a wet noodle for my misuse of the general forum, although I suspect it would have been correctly categorized if I merely complained without offering an improvement? =D
    Posted 83 days ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have 166 hoes I'm trying to get rid off. It will only let me donate ONE AT A TIME. I'm so hella pissed (totally trying to bring "hella" back into slang, don't hate). I'm going to complain to the giants about this. 
    Posted 83 days ago by Papa Legba Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's a pain in the but now that I can't donate all my meat at once to one shrine.... I have to go to multiple shrines now to donate.... so annoying and makes my daily "tasks" a lot longer then I feel it should. It takes away from game play time :O(
    Posted 83 days ago by Fadas Néboa Curuxa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Papa Legba: you should be able to donate many hoes at once — are you not able to change the quantity?

    Fadas Néboa: why do you have to change shrines? Why not just donate for one full emblem's worth at at time?
    Posted 83 days ago by stoot barfield Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Koftun: we might enable that in the future, but there has been a lot more heartbreak over the years from wasted donations due to the lack of clarity about the amount of favor/when to expect a emblem preventing some of that was a bigger motivation.
    Posted 83 days ago by stoot barfield Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm having the same issue as Papa Legba - but with Potions.  I can only donate a single Rainbow Potion at a time to Zille.  I've already blown several EHSP - is this a bug or a design change? 
    Posted 83 days ago by A-Hill Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Love this new donation menu.  No trouble donating as much as I need to. NO MORE CALCULATOR!
    Posted 83 days ago by Kleb Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A-Hill: that'd definitely be a bug … we're looking into it.
    Posted 83 days ago by stoot barfield Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The new menu is stellar. Keeps me from going over my favor limit when the Giants, a worry I always had in the past.
    Posted 83 days ago by Osiris χ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't know if this belongs here but seems I encountered a behavior caused by this recent change.

    I was fighting off a rook attack. I got an emblem from the giant on that street's shrine but haven't retrieved it yet. So, I was at max points with that giant. When the time came to donate to finish the rook off I kept getting the dialog asking me if I really want to donate since I am already at max points. It was unnecessary as I wasn't truly donating. It was distracting and time consuming as well.

    Is there a way to separate regular donation vs donation during a rook fight?
    Posted 83 days ago by Andrew Tobolsky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree with Koftun that preventing large donations is a problem for those of us who donate primarily for the iMG.

    Is this the other shoe dropping from the Yellow Crumb seed devaluation?
    Posted 83 days ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Andrew Tobolsky: soon, shrines will just give you the emblem when you get close so that won't be an issue.
    Posted 83 days ago by stoot barfield Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Janitch, re: "Is this the other shoe dropping from the Yellow Crumb seed devaluation?"

    I don't see the relationship (?). But, as far as I know they are totally unrelated. The intention is (a) to help people see how much favor a donation will give them without having to keep a calculator handy and (b) preventing over-donations (until now people could — and did — donate 1000 favor worth of stuff when they only had 100 favor left to an emblem).
    Posted 83 days ago by stoot barfield Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm a little confused how this is suppose to work. Before this change, there was no issue with using EHSP + Chrystalmalizing Chambers - donating in this example 9 at a time to then come just under the favor limit for a particular shrine/giant. However, since this change, I seem to be unable to donate more the one Chamber at time. I can donate a large quantity of meat, or other small valued items, but not more then one of larger value items. Is this deliberate or a bug?

    EDIT: NVM, I just checked with Live Help & was told it's a (known) bug...
    Posted 83 days ago by BumbleBeez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The connection is that the best way to earn iMG was to grow Yellow Crumb and donate the seeds en masse with EHSP. Now the seeds are worth half as much and we can't make huge donations in any case.

    I think the calculator is great, but I don't like the limit. Right now, favor is only useful for the two weeks or so after new skills are released. Other than that, we can't spend favor so we have no choice but to waste it anyway.
    Posted 83 days ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This is awesome! So much easier for people like me (a.k.a. people who have fuzz for brains) to manage their donations. :) Thanks for this new tool.
    Posted 83 days ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • First of all let me say that I truly love the donation calculator!!!  (what a boon this would have been when I was a new glitch and trying to figure how to make just the exact amount of donation needed)
    Secondly, evidently I missed the announcement that states you can donate more then what is required for an emblem and still get the iMG ~ I thought any excess was just 'lost' as xp was before.
    Posted 83 days ago by Firestone1960 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Stoot
    First of all, thanks for the reply and willingness to consider a manual override in the future. I completely understand what the team was trying to accomplish. Accidentally wasted donations always frustrated me greatly. Unfortunately, the law of unintended consequences may have reared its ugly head with the inability to donate to a given giant after reaching the daily favor threshold. This situation makes it really a challenge to max one's iMG from donating - in fact I suspect it may be mathematically impossible for some players to do so, if you work out the numbers. I'll try to explain - please tell me if I have this wrong!

    The relationship between shrine favor and iMG earned is 2.4x* assuming one does not reach either limit with a given donation. This holds regardless of the use of EHSP. That means that if a player sums up their total emblem favor limits for all 11 giants and divides that into the total iMG from donations limit (all figures available on the favor page), a result of greater than 2.4 would mean that maxing out each and every shrine's favor (with EHSP or not) would still leave one short of their daily iMG earnings limit - there would be no way to reach it (except for donating 1 unit at a time which is the max by which one can exceed the favor limit in any single donation - try it for YC seeds, you'll never get anywhere!) This situation would conceivably impact players who have not historically relied heavily on shrine donations to gain their iMG as the iMG limit is tied to cost for the next level and is (mostly) independent of how many emblems one has earned in their career. If you've donated a lot in the past, your favor levels will be a lot higher yielding greater earnings capacity for favor each day. That allows you to reach the level based limit.

    In my instance, my ratio is 2.05 (86,439 iMG limit / 42,200 total favor limit) so getting there is possible, but it means (by dropping my two lowest giants) I would need to max favor with 9 giants (not quite max on #9 actually) in order to reach my iMG limit. And thats not 1 donation per shrine, its actually 2 donations - the first to reach your next emblem, the second to reach the daily favor max (when you start at zero for the day it would be only one donation, but thats very hard to orchestrate and maintain.) So we aren't talking about 9 donations, it means 18 separate donations at 9 shrines each game day all using EHSP to reach my max. Thats really a lot of incremental time, effort and cost with this change. I suspect that this was not completely anticipated by the team?

    If anyone wants to divide out their ratio and post it here I think it would be interesting to see how many (if any) people are above 2.4x and thus wouldnt be able to max iMG even if they maxed ALL shrines.

    I know this is all quite mathematical and most players don't care, but its in my nature. Humbabella? Give me a hand here? (or tell me I'm all washed up?)  ;-)

    Elf? Make a snarky comment about onion rings and tell me I'm a pedantic geek? ;-)

    -K
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    * the 2.4x multiplier is easy enough to observe with any donation, EHSP enchanced or otherwise, - just divide the iMG you got by the favor you earned. It boils down to a 10% return on item value for favor and a return of 24% of item value donated for iMG - thats a ratio of 2.4x between the rates of return. An example of 10 yc seeds:

    10 yc seeds @ 33 each = 330 value x 3 for EHSP is 990 in value x 10% = 99 favor earned
    10 yc seeds @ 33 each = 330 value x 3 for EHSP is 990 in value x 24% = 238 (237.6 rounded up) iMG earned
    238 / 99 = 2.41 x  (without EHSP its 79/33 which is still 2.4x)
    Posted 82 days ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just wanted to post in here to say the dialog has been updated with the following stuff:

    * You can now donate as much as you wish (even if it goes over the emblem amount or daily favor amount)

    * Items that are not stackable, can also have donations larger than just one. You will notice that the amount will say "approx. +350" for example. Some of the single stacked items will have different worth based on the wear, charges left, etc. So the display doesn't know all of this data (which specific ones are chosen, etc.)

    * If The Rook is attacking a street, the dialog won't show and will give you the old, "How many" widget where you can select how much to donate to that shrine
    Posted 82 days ago by Endoplasmic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow! Even better! <3
    Posted 82 days ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Endoplasmic - you guys are tops! thanks so much for this change!
    Posted 82 days ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Schweet
    Posted 82 days ago by Gordon Lughsen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Everything just gets betterer and betterer!
    Posted 82 days ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm just really confused, because there is no shrine in Cebarkul. I question koftun's data...I'm pretty sure he goes no where else... :)
    Posted 82 days ago by awesome sauce01 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I pop next door to Oktyabrya when nobody is looking! :)
    Posted 82 days ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Blasphemer!
    Posted 82 days ago by awesome sauce01 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Great changes; thanks!
    Posted 81 days ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I tried to donate all my red elements but the maximum it would take was 9999, hardly worth 2 EHSP for my 20,000 to just get 1200  points
    Posted 79 days ago by armi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Love the new donation interface!

    But how about sorting the items to donate by total value?  It sometimes takes a while to find a specific item when your inventory is pretty full.
    Posted 69 days ago by Cygnet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You do know they're in alphabetical order right now?

    Personally, I know it would clutter up the interface, but has anyone looked at putting the name of the thing below its icon? I'm just so textual, the stupid little pictures take forever for me to look at, go "oh yeah, that thing starts with an E, I need to keep going to get to the Ms and donate some Meat".

    --Me
    Posted 69 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks for the fix Endoplastic. However, if you donate over the max, you still get the second (old) dialog after all the rigamarole of the new dialog. I suggest just removing that older confirmation dialog since it has been completely obsoleted by the new one.
    Posted 69 days ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you, thank you!! I can now put away the calculator and bottle of Advil I used to keep by my computer just for use during donating. : )

    (maths give me headaches)
    Posted 69 days ago by ~Alice~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Here's the simplified equation...x+y=wtf.  
    Posted 69 days ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink