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Glitch: Too estrogen driven to attract male players?

So, I'm a 35 year old guy with a wife and kids who was invited to play this game several weeks ago by someone at Tiny Speck. I immediately found the game to be fun enough to play as a casual experience, but I honestly have been losing interest as quickly as I progress due to the feeling that it has little or no appeal for males to play.

Glitch has a lot of potential for many kinds of people, but I honestly feel it is focusing in on the 10 to 30-something female, thus limiting its appear to the other gender ENTIRELY. If I hung my masculinity on the wall and just played Glitch, I could easily spend hours of having endless fun with this game, but I am all too often reminded of how this game is NOT geared for men. Whats more, even my wife laughed when she saw me playing this during the EOTW party, asking if I was going homo on her.

So, while I could cite several examples of how this game personally makes me unattracted to it, I'll just offer the following obvious examples as seen while visiting the site:

1) Pastels, everywhere!
Is this really necessary right down to character customization? I mean come on, this is fine in San Francisco and NYC, but as stated before: No appeal for the manly figure.

Perhaps a customizable skin chooser for the game's frame, a set of "REI-like" clothing choices and less effeminate choices would help. The awards are atrociously gag-worthy... pink buttons for planting beans or cooking... lovely: beta.glitch.com/achievements/

2) Subscribers are designated as pink hearts.
Most men (who prefer women) would not be comfortable with this and I doubt that they would buy a membership strictly because of it.

Almost anything at this point would be preferable, seriously. You can go to the grocery store and watch many men pass up on purchasing products that offer immediate donations to breast cancer. It has nothing with support the cause and everything to do with the fact that it's a pink ribbon.

3) Characters, while cartoony, lack any wardrobe or vanity customizations that would be considered masculine in ANY way.
From feathers to MORE pastels to kilts and pumps, I see nothing here created by a straight male.

Simply have a man make some shirts with sports, trucks or booze on them... add basic sneekers and steal toe boots... might help just a *wee-bit*.
 
Bash me if you will, but I am not trying to say the game sucks as much as I am trying to offer constructive criticism as to why this game will lack male players, especially ones whom have insecurities about maintaining their masculinity (which is a majority of men). If you note, I am also trying to offer suggestions to make it more appealing to the potential male players out there.

Posted 17 months ago by c0mad0r Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • It's an interesting topic.  Why do we have to quit discussing it?
    Posted 17 months ago by Vicereine Linnæa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.
    Posted 17 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • LOL,Nan! =]
    Posted 17 months ago by ~Scilly~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm hoping that the OP isn't really turned off by all this from Glitch.
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm your huckleberry.
    Posted 17 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So to summarize:
    Glitch is infused with Estrogen, curbed by Testosterone, buffered with non-gender specific pheromones, covered in frosting, smothered with awesomesauce.

    And they all lived Glitchily ever after.

    The End.
    Posted 17 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • LOL,g33kgurrl ~well said! =)
    Posted 17 months ago by ~Scilly~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have read this entire thread... yes I did.... wow, that took all day (with various life distractions in between). The original post was worded in a very offensive way, but follow up posts by the OP proved that he was trying to be (awkwardly) constructive, and I appreciate that. It's just unfortunate that the original post was not written as well as the follow up responses were by the OP.

    I am a heterosexual female. I hate pastels. I used to hate pink, but since I had a daughter I realized it's totally adorable on her so I've warmed up to it. I love both traditionally "masculine" (combat boots) and "feminine" things (lacy dresses)--both together are the best. I have not yet seen any vanity or wardrobe style in Glitch that screamed "that's me!", so I oscillate between different things that catch my whim at the moment, but am still waiting for that perfect look for me. 

    Glitch needs more gothic/industrial clothing--that section of the population is totally disenfranchised by Glitch and I won't stand for it! I think I might not play any more because everything isn't black and I can't find a nice pair of combat boots... Why the heck am I playing a game that doesn't perfectly fit my color-palette preference and clothing style? Oh yeah, that's right--I'm not shallow or biased, and the game is AWESOMELY fun, and creative, and unique.
    Posted 17 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, and those people that posted while I was writing my post begging that we end the thread: I just invested my entire day reading this damned thing and I want to get my 2 cents in just like everyone else, so please don't silence me before I even get a chance to speak. Not everyone is able to be on the forums 24/7. If it's interesting to people, they will want to talk about it--let them. If you're bored with it, don't read it any more. I stop reading things I'm bored with. No problem.
    Posted 17 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Och,Shep,that is what I thought when I previewed my post earlier,and found the conversation had changed a bit,but I posted my mini-doctorate any ways! lol =D
    Posted 17 months ago by ~Scilly~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Of course people like stri, cerulean, and others who were SOOOO offended care when someone offends them, but if its something that doesn't apply to other people they don't give a shit. Sometimes I am soooo disappointed when people act this way, they pretend to be fighting for the greater good and on personal battles to fix the "wrongdoing" but only if it is something that affects them.

    + 10000000000 shepherd, I am so fucking sick of people coming onto to forums and telling people not to comment or that its stupid.

    God damn if people would have a little respect for others we would all be so much happier
    Posted 17 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 Laurali
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • my what a long thread you have!

    I too am super late in getting here but would first like to say - glad to see that this discussion is happening/happened.

    It is unfortunate that the OP chose to use the some of the terms he did - but maybe the world he lives in has never given him the type of feedback he received here as a result. Everyone has that capacity to continue to grow and learn throughout their lives and hopefully we all embrace that and go on.

    Aside from the perhaps unintentional insulting tone of the OP's comments, as a huMAN I feel compelled to respond to his points. IRL I gravitate towards earth tones. I wear lots of brown, or when I getting really out there I'll wear brown with some green. That said - the pastels don't bother me in the slightest - which makes me curious to hear exactly how many times the OP vomited from the "atrociously gag-worthy" awards. If there isn't already a "Pretty Good Gagger" badge there should be.

    I have a paid subscription and the pink heart did not dissuade me from purchasing it in the least. I am not convinced that the heart (pink, red, or even BROWN!) is the best way to signify that one is a subscriber (when i first saw it in the forums I wondered who was "faving" almost all of the comments). But unless someone comes up with something better I could care less if it is a heart, a liver or a lemburger.

    I guess I don't have to address the clothing - most agree that there are some items here that even non-hipster straight males would be able to wear with pride while walking down any street in Groddle Heights. I do have to note though that early on I had what I thought was my own personal wardrobe malfunction. I looked through my wardrobe for something I had bought a day earlier and wanted to wear again. I looked in shirts. Nope. I looked in Jackets. Nope. I looked almost everywhere. Finally, just to rule it out, I clicked on dresses. Yup - there it was - my "cardboard box" dress - and now it lives next to my "smoking barrel" dress, my "pawprint apron" dress and my "gents' censor bar" dress. I'm sure there are also people who would shy away from these items (or from Glitch) because they are classified as dresses. Good! As mentioned numerous times above - there are tons of other places for people who find Glitch somehow threatening to their identity or otherwise unappealing.

    Glitch is Glitch - I love it and am thrilled to be a tiny part of this community.
    Posted 17 months ago by The Cat Face Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali, there are plenty of things on this forum where i've agreed with some aggrieved party over an issue that has nothing to do with me, so you are wrong and i'd appreciate an apology. Fokian Fool i thought you were trying to put out fires. ha.

    and you know what? i wasn't offended by the original post. i responded that i wasn't sure if the post was meant as a joke or not and in what taste it was meant, and generally agreed that there should be more clothing options.

    then someone came into the thread and basically called anyone who criticized the tone of the top post a froo-froo hipster or npr listening elitist and the OP said "thank you." to that person.

    i mean if someone makes an awkward post because they don't know how people will take it, sure. that i'll give a wide birth.

    but if that person is going to thank a person spitting epithets .. yeah, i'm going to find that offensive. it puts the OP into a different perspective.
    Posted 17 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I need to confess that I´m ***

    here is the proof

    Sorry girls, I know you all love me and stuff, but there is nothing i can do ;)
    Posted 17 months ago by arizoo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • At least he admits it's only because of insecurities. I really want to believe you're trying to be constructive, but your post is lathered with negativity and assumptions. No, the majority of men are not afraid of 'going homo' from touching pink.

    There's absolutely no reason to bash some guys you assume only live in NYC and SF in order to suggest things that you would prefer. Just say what you want and keep it positive, not why you're riddled with fear and self-doubt and need constant affirmation that you're not gay.

    Also, kilts, not manly? I think you have not heard of the Scottish people.
    Posted 17 months ago by hollow Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There are kilts? Now that's hot. I love me a manly man in a kilt. Kilt. Leather jacket. Ewan McGregor. Jus' sayin'.
    Posted 17 months ago by Colette Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Colette: Kilts and Ewan McGregor are both super sexy.

    Personally, I don't understand why anyone would complain that there aren't enough manly things in the wardrobe--I see a ton of them and I have no problem picking out avatars in Glitch that look 100% male (whether their RL controllers are or not is another matter). Actually, I was a bit annoyed that many of the newer items seemed to be for men and not women... but maybe it's all based on the subjective perception of the observor: there always appears to be more for others and not enough for you, no matter who you are...
    Posted 17 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yeah. kilts are hot.
    Posted 17 months ago by coolbettycakes Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Stri, I apologize for calling you out by name but I stans by what I said. I could only think of you and cerulean cause your comments were the angriest sounding.

    I an honestly pissed off that there are so many people in this thread who are upset by what the OP said because it applied to them, but nobody cares when other people have issues that don't apply to them.

    I took the time to sir and read all the comments and felt a lot of sympathy for you, and cerulean, and others who had mentioned terrible things they have experienced.

    Is it so much to expect the same sympathy and concern about the comments I experienced? I posted about something that was upsetting that happened to me, which was basically followed by "stop commenting" and "this is stupid".

    Its just very frustrating and disrespectful
    Posted 17 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @striatic - I relaxed doing that after a while. Things have cooled down tons. A few flareups, but nothing major. And @stoot helped muchly. :D
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • FF -- just a hint -- any one who tells you Preparations A-G work for flare ups, lies. Stick with H.
    Posted 17 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Laurali: when I read what happened to you I felt a sense of shame in the piece of the Glitch community that was on Global Chat at that moment. That is totally uncalled for. I apologize for their ignorance and intolerance, and encourage you to start using group chat instead, where you can be a part of a smaller community that you can build trust in. Maybe this is a good example of why global chat should be thrown out before we go live.

    I recommend checking out this group. I know that it is filled with very kind, inclusive, and helpful individuals: FS Refugees and Friends
    Posted 17 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • We may need more man clothing or goth clothing... but what we really need are FROG OUTFITS. I'm having to walk around naked, painted green, with a lizard hat. Also, my Glitch has to do this, too.
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 to Frog outfits.
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali, you say "Is it so much to expect the same sympathy and concern about the comments I experienced? I posted about something that was upsetting that happened to me, which was basically followed by "stop commenting" and "this is stupid"."

    laurali i have no idea what forum topic you are talking about and i've never told anyone to "stop commenting".

    believe it or not, i am not actually browsing the forums 24/7 and it is quite possible i missed that topic.

    i think it is very unfair to say that i am only concerned about things that affect me personally and i'm a little shocked you'd stand by that opinion. it is kind of an awful thing to say about someone.
    Posted 17 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Fokian :D
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I said I was sorry for using your name as well as cerulean, I only mentioned you two because you guys were the names I was noticing the most in this discussion. I wasn't directing my comment at you or him, sorry it seemed that way.

    And I'm talking about a comment I made on this thread.

    Shepherd, thanks. Its not the actual incident that I am upset about, I've been called way worse things than a ditsy cheerleader, and I can handle most insults people throw my way.

    I just hate that elitist attitudes and this thread is full of it.
    Posted 17 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @bored, I don't call it feeding the monster. The vast majority of people who read the OP's post found it offensive, and are explaining why. It's not like he was trolling and we fed into it.

    I will be honest and say that I nearly exploding when reading the post. To recap:

    "If I hung my masculinity on the wall and just played Glitch, I could easily spend hours of having endless fun with this game, but I am all too often reminded of how this game is NOT geared for men." Yeah, um, why NOT "hang your masculinity on the wall"? Would that make you feel like a lesser Real Man? Maybe not even a Real Man at all!?!?

    "Whats more, even my wife laughed when she saw me playing this during the EOTW party, asking if I was going homo on her." No explanation needed - read the rest of the thread.

    "[Pastels have] no appeal for the manly figure." What do you mean by 'the manly figure'? Is there some Manliness gauge that all men have to conform to? Is it not okay for men to like pastels?

    "The awards are atrociously gag-worthy... pink buttons for planting beans or cooking... lovely." I find this ridiculous. Atrociously gag-worthy? They're pink. It's a color.

    "Most men (who prefer women) would not be comfortable with this and I doubt that they would buy a membership strictly because of it." Speak for yourself. You're making assumptions about "most" men, most of which are completely untrue. As far as I know, most men are past shying away from something because it's pink.

    "You can go to the grocery store and watch many men pass up on purchasing products that offer immediate donations to breast cancer. It has nothing with support the cause and everything to do with the fact that it's a pink ribbon." Again, speak for yourself - just plain not true. I don't think there are many men who would actually skip buying something solely for the reason that it's associated with the color pink - same thing as the above paragraph.

    "Characters, while cartoony, lack any wardrobe or vanity customizations that would be considered masculine in ANY way. From feathers to MORE pastels to kilts and pumps, I see nothing here created by a straight male." Chest hair? Boots? Dragon costumes? Knight costumes? Miner hats? Baseball caps? A viking hat? Hoodies? Black jackets? Dress shirts with ties? Undershirts? DIRTY undershirts? T-shirts? Sport shorts? Jeans? Tighty whities? And there ARE sneakers, see? (BTW - that's not to say any of that stuff couldn't easily also be worn by females, just listing stereotypical male stuff :) )

    I have absolutely nothing wrong with you posting constructive criticism but this isn't constructive.

    ETA: Wow, that was long :P
    Posted 17 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • omg
    Posted 17 months ago by arizoo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I just hate that elitist attitudes and this thread is full of it."

    to clarify .. you aren't saying that objecting to the use of "homo" as a derogatory term is elitist? right?
    Posted 17 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +all of the things to Cupcake. I didn't have the energy to do what you did thar, and unlike other threads where you and I have disagreed but I don't feel (and hope you don't feel) that anyone was having a go at anyone else, this one felt very much felt like, "damn women, now they want our video games, too!" I didn't have the energy to read the responses until the thread was on life support. So you get all of the things for doing what I wanted to do but couldn't!

    Also, what I'm taking away from this: Cerulean's a dude??
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • OMG, Heyoheya, that is utterly hilarious! I couldn't stop laughing long enough to read that to my husband--I had to have him come over and read it for himself. He only smiled--I don't think it's as funny for a non-Glitch player. That or else I'm overly sensitive because I'm tired and need to go to bed...
    Posted 17 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @striatic Equality for all?? Pfthht... totes elitist. Whatevs!

    I want back in that kitchen, I tell you! Barefoot and preggers, that's me!

    Edit: @Shepherdmood :D
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No I'm not saying that. But the OP explained on several occasions what he really meant, yet still nearly 300 comments later people are still giving him a hard time.

    Its so hypocritical, I have seen multiple instances if people experiencing "discrimination" of similar sorts, but never did it warrant a response like this, because people only give a shit if it affects them, otherwise they don't care.

    I don't like that at all.
    Posted 17 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • laurali, ok.

    but the OP also thanked someone who called us "froo-froo artsy fartsy hipsters".

    also, why are you putting "discrimination" in quotes?
    Posted 17 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't know. I've seen people defending all sorts of things. And people not getting defended, too.

    But I take your point. People do take their own stuff on as the most important as a whole.
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali,
    I think most people are engaged heavily when something impacts them or they feel strongly about a subject or issue. I have trouble getting passionate about things if I don't understand them or if I haven't experience them. Even though I have a general sense of what I believe is right or wrong I still stay out of some conversations because I don't have anything to add that is of merit, or I don't feel like debating. It doesn't mean I don't care. It means I choose not to speak.

    I have said little here except to be silly mostly because that's what I do when things are stressy. That's how I diffuse situations. Clearly I didn't succeed. My reaction and lack of direct response is not because I don't care. I feel I have little to add and my opinion is immaterial and possibly would make things worse. I've been around for too long to get into a throw down. Even when cornered and treated poorly in a very direct manner, I will err on the side of grace and caution more often than not. I just see no need to stir things up. 

    I value diversity of opinion and the open spirit of this place. It's one of the things that keeps me here. Sadly, what I have seen lately seems to be a lot of talking at each other.

    *shrug It's part of growing pains and it sucks. It's what I dislike most about any online community. Yet, I find myself drawn to the vibrant ones because the passions make them better places. 

    It's a fine line between channeling passion and letting them explode. We'll norm out. It just takes time. And some growing pains. 

    This has been @g33kgurrl and I approve this post.

    ETA - I have a dirty hipster laptop - does that make me a froofy artsy fartsy hipster?
    Posted 17 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @stri: that is one of the forms of discrimination in this post that made me angry, along with many others.

    I put quotes around discrimination because I use it loosely to describe how people degrade each other, while discrimination has a connotation that it is negative in the forms of race or sexuality. I'm not sure if "froo froo hipster" is technically discrimination, or just rude.

    @geek and heyo: its not about everyone jumping to everyone elses defense or debating all the time. But if people are gonna pretend they are standing up for the greater good or trying to eradicate offensive content, at least be consistent with it
    Posted 17 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Yup - there it was - my "cardboard box" dress - and now it lives next to my "smoking barrel" dress, my "pawprint apron" dress and my "gents' censor bar" dress."

    LMAO The Cat Face! Don't know why it struck me as so funny, but thank you.
    Posted 17 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So...what are we discussing now? After reading every single post since it started last night, I think stoot effectively put the OP's foot in his mouth. Is this thread now Clothing suggestions and humorous one-liners from g33k?
    Posted 17 months ago by Piratice Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Piractice Not just clothing suggestions but expressions of feelings of repression based on lack of clothing choices. Like the small, yet vocal, frog minority. We may not be as impressive as the dragons, but we deserve outfits, too!
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, I want to a proper Kermit "Yayyy!"
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Glitch is, among other things, art.  Art is often controversial, and everyone's a critic. 
    Posted 17 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @glum pudding - There are art accusers and art critics. :) Not the same. And everyone is more likely to be an accuser since most aren't even aware of the difference. Kind of sad really.
    Posted 17 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *Muppet arms* Yay!!!
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i actually think that the OP really good point, though perhaps worded it in a way to get this cranky forum all stirred up.

    i actually think that the bigger point is far from cosmetic. the 50 or so (too many) replies that i read focused on clothes, and pink, and shapes of avatars, when really, i think there is a genuine question here: is glitch a "girl's" game?  and take that for what that question implies, not as me saying "girls should play princess." (for an idea of where i'm coming from, check out the awesome site thesocietypages.org/socimages/ "Sociological Images.) think about who "shoot um up" games are marketed to, and gun toys, and war games, from a very young age: boys. (the first search result for "gun" at SI is: thesocietypages.org/socimag... then think of the kind of things that are marketed to girls: playing house, barbies, ezbake ovens, paper dolls etc. these are very glitchy-activities. 

    then there's my favorite part of glitch: the lack of weapons (so far), communal gameplay, and deemphasized competition. it's there, if you want it, but it's not cutthroat, and it doesn't involve knocking out other players.  competition is generally seen as a "man's game," and as a bad trait in women.  working together is often thought of as a more "feminine" quality.

    again, i'm not saying "this is right," or that glitch is aiming for this kind of game, but that if i played glitch, and were going to say, gee, who is this game marketed to according to (you ready for this?) mainstream, heteronormative, patriarchal tropes? women!

    the awesome part, in my opinion, is that glitch is subversive, in that it's not a particularly "girly" setup, *because* of all of the cosmetic things mentioned above. the avatars are androgynous, the clothes are cheeky, the sexual innuendos are (as far as i've bothered to read into them, being the prude i am) not particularly "sided" (correct me if i'm wrong!). is glitch "different" enough to appeal to people who like "manly" games? probably not. people who want to bomb things and destroy things and kill people and see blood, men or women, probably aren't going to want to know wheretofindsalt, or be thrilled to get random kindness from a garden patch.  does that mean glitch needs to change?
    Posted 17 months ago by greenkozi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ colette....HELL YEH! My hubby has a utilikilt.........so hot!

    @Heyoheya....I just choked a piece of popcorn! THANKS. LOL!

    +10000 to @cupcake for being awesome. :)

    @Shepherdmoon.....I had the same thing happen, for probably the same reasons! hahahaha

    BTW, because of this post, I am getting my husband a pink shirt to wear with his kilt.  I guarantee you, he will feel like a manly man when I am looking at him, thinking how incredibly hot he is. ;)

    (Link to hot man in kilt, with a pink shirt!

    Gerard Butler

     Oh my *goes off to find an ice cold glass of water*)
    Posted 17 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't accept that lack of guns equals marketed to women. I think marketed to women entails more than that. I don't accept the implied assumption that if it's not overtly marketed to men then it is by default marketed to women. I don't accept it's one or the other, even by heteronormative standards. Yes, I agree, Glitch =/= Call of Duty. No, I do not agree that Glitch = toilet cleaner (in that toilet cleaner, though used by people of both genders and not specifically a gendered product, is marketed exclusively to women and can be folded into a gender identity).

    If we accept that men are competitive and women are not (I don't, but for the sake of argurment...), Glitch can be competitive. There's a scoreboard. Someone with the default hairstyle is number 1. There are competitive races that I am bad at (because the platforming here is bad, shh...). The clothes certainly aren't specifically feminine, and my naked character doesn't have breasts.

    I, as a woman, fail to see how this game could be anything other than gender neutral. (Unless, and here's where my feminist hat goes on and my polite hat goes off, sorry... Unless the person who judges this to be a specifically gendered game is a male who is used to video games being marketed to HIM specifically and finds himself in a state of confusion when that's not happening and no one really cares about the male ego.)

    I think you're underestimating people (probably specifically men, though you include women), when you say that people who like to bomb things and kill things (I so hope you mean in-game) won't like to play Glitch. My husband plays just about everything, as long as it's well made, including first person shooters and Glitch. I've seen male-dominated video game sites with reviews for both war simulators and things so twee I got a toothache. People play what's good. If someone has a problem (not specifically OP, but anyone) with gender issues, those are more a personal thing a less a game thing, no?

    In conclusion, frog.
    Posted 17 months ago by Heyoheya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Laurali:

    I think what happened to you sounds terrible, and had I been there, I'd have called that behavior out too.  Stereotypes are pretty dumb.  (I don't even know how to react to Fokian's bizarro post about how there is a reason that cheerleaders are stereotyped.  There is a reason for most stereotypes, but that doesn't mean that everyone in a given group has that group's stereotypical traits!)

    But I think you're being a little harsh jumping all over people who didn't jump in (fast enough) on a thread 200+ posts deep to support you.  Lots are simply reading the beginning and adding their reactions to the original post.  Striatic already responded to you.  Cerulean bowed out of the thread and probably hasn't even seen your comments.  Plenty of people have already come to your side.

    And for the record, I am not gay, not a cheerleader, not a football player, never have been.  These aren't "my" issues, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    Anyway, if 100 people saying "no, that really wasn't funny" gets someone to stop perpetuating hurtful stereotypes and making inappropriate "jokes", great.  If the OP really made an honest mistake with no ill will intended, hopefully he'll learn to think a little more before posting such "humor", but it's really hard to read that original post without seeing some intention.  This wasn't a one word slip; it was a sequence of multiple jabs.
    Posted 17 months ago by larky lion Subscriber! | Permalink