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can we just settle this. family game or not?

i can't really find an official definition for what a family game is or not, but i mean, it's essentially the same as a 'family film' in regards to the use of language. so, while 'family game' doesn't have an objective definition (yet), 'family film' does. it's "a film genre that is designed to appeal to a variety of age groups and, thus, families." i think we all agree that the game appeals to many age groups. i suppose we could also agree that the game is PG-13 considering that a player must be 13 years or older to play (with parental consent). films typically are upgraded to PG-13 from PG when language is used sparingly (generally, less than 4 times) or the movie is especially violent. note that Glitch never uses language and is never violent, so the game really should be PG or even G. Certainly, it would be rated E for everyone with a disclaimer that they cannot control the content experienced online.  

ultimately though, the game has parallels with a family film that's rated PG-13. and as such, we shouldn't use language. 

thank you for your time.

(edit: ToS says 14 years or older, so I guess PG-14 would be more accurate.)

Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • @Ximenez Sadly, you are probably right. I felt this way earlier (hence my group hug for Mr. Dawgg) but then he lost my sympathy by calling a bunch of people asses and jerkoffs. Which normally aren't such terrible insults, but in the given his argument, they come off as much ruder than usual.
    Posted 15 months ago by Geeki Yogini Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Uh? WoW on a LAN? How on Earth do you do that? With a private server (forbidden by Blizzard)?
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Geeki Yogini,

    I only called 1 person a name, and that was because he called me a name as well. Though I admit I shouldn't have reciprocated.

    Ximinez,

    You can play on a LAN connected to the Internet. You can then choose to do instances with just your family/friends. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • OMG, Mr. Dawgg, you are insane.  Why do you continue this? Do you expect there to suddenly get a different response?

    Fact: The game is 14-17 with parental permission, and then 18+. 

    Also, I guarantee you, as a mother of teenagers, 14 yr olds not only have heard it all, but they have said it.  If you have a problem with it, close global chat and create a group for clean talkers such as yourself.  But this insanity has to stop.

    And didnt you ask us to not call them kids? Yet, you are doing it.

    Also, I know of MANY game playing families on WoW with children as young as 6.  They have made the decision to let them play. They keep regional chat and major city chat closed at all times. They only allow guild chat open, so they control what the "virgin eyes" read.

    I suggest you do the same here.
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, my.

    ETA: I mean, you need a LAN for that in an alternate-reality WoW. And now I DO stop.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Mr. Dawgg so, what would you like from us to resolve this? I know you have said you want us all to agree, but I think you know that's not realistic.
    Posted 15 months ago by Geeki Yogini Subscriber! | Permalink
  • don't try to confuse him with facts!

    he's going to keep at it as long as there's anybody left to disagree regardless of what words actually mean or what the devs have said.

    that's what makes it so amusing.

    dance for us! we're trying to decide how to form ranks for our marching band.

    the way i see it, we need someone to make a recording of the song we intend to play. then we do a youtube synch record thing. i've neer done that, but we have a volunteer so i don't need to learn.

    then we each record our parts and it gets edited together and we submit it to be made into a musicblock that we can play while marching dude downstreet wearing only our pretty sashes and fluffy hats.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You guys keep the thread going. I only reply to you guys. 

    Innie, again. Same to you. If I am expected to ignore it when people use bad language, you can ignore it when I tell people that they should watch their language. Fair?

    I didn't ask that we not call them kids. I asked us to rethink. Rethink as Young Adult not Kid. Because everyone is caught-up on the idea that Family Game is the same as Kid Game.

    Geeki Yogini,

    I would like you guys to agree that I've been pretty fair and balanced. I would like you guys to apologize for mocking me repeatedly. In fact, insulting me directly as well. I would also like you guys to ultimately agree that we should probably refrain from using language in GC. If you don't agree or apologize, cool. I don't care that much. But, I'm going to continue to reply in my thread (because I started it) because I want to give everyone a chance to speak and get a reply from me. That's all. If you feel you've got what you needed from me and the thread, move on. If you want to lurk the thread, cool. 

    Thanks.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • all your thread are belong to us.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I want to continue to reply to the marching band thread.  It's the only thread about marching bands.  I, my dear friends, will be the spectator*.  You're going to need one.  No marching band can exist without them.

    *of course, for me, being a spectator is easy.  I've got plenty of popcorn.
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *steals two handfuls of WindBorn's popcorn, and motions for dog to bark LOUDLY and use his language, repeatedly.*
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @mr. dawgg, i think what you mainly see as mocking was people reacting to what they saw (myself included) as an absurd argument with an equal level of absurdity, especially around your suggestion that people police themselves/each other in a game made for adults. people don't like to be feel they are being controlled or told what to do, especially when they see there is no good reason.

    this approach is probably better than the usual super angry hateful internet drama. for my part, i'm sorry if you feel hurt or mocked. as for policing our language, i don't think that's gonna happen. i think your experience on glitch/the internet will be much better if you can accept this.

    so, can we stop now?:)

    i'm really gonna go find some cheese now. over and out.
    Posted 15 months ago by Geeki Yogini Subscriber! | Permalink
  • By public acclaim, The Marching Band Thread.  Go nuts.
    Posted 15 months ago by jasbo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Mr. Dawgg, and anyone else who is seriously interested in this discussion:

    I suggest that we find some other place to discuss this, if we can find one that's suitable to all of us. It looks to me like people who are really interested in this discussion are missing a lot of what the others are saying, in the flood of off-topic posts.

    If no one else has any ideas of where we can have this discussion without so much noise, I have a few ideas.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Geeki Yogini,

    No. They know I prefer the thread to stay on topic. They mock me by going off-topic. That's the beginning and ending of it.

    Also, I don't feel hurt at all. I feel that it's really odd how I can be insulted directly by some people here yet I'm still the bad guy.

    edit
    By the way, thanks Jasbo for starting a new thread.

    edit

    Ferond,

    Maybe someone else should start and link to the thread with a brand new angle. That is, a discussion on language use in LC when GC is gone. Maybe as Ooloni discussed, the underlying topic of what it is to be polite. Something like that.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Dawgg

    "Also, I don't feel hurt at all. I feel that it's really odd how I can be insulted directly by some people here yet I'm still the bad guy."

    Not to me. I see very clearly the way some people are abusing you, and this thread, and the hatefulness of it, and other people's blindness to it.

    ETA: I doubt very much that starting a new thread will stop the abuse, as long as it involves your interests.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • you're not the bad guy; you're the entertainment.

    you asked a question and the answer was a resounding NO!

    and then you proceeded to do a thing you like to call reasoning in order to grind everyone down to agreement.

    all you are doing is providing endless amusement in other threads. i know i'm not the only one who waits with great anticipation for each of your new "arguments".

    the actual discussion stopped halfway up page one.

    now we're just keeping it going for the entertainment value.

    so:

    it's not a family game.

    now dance!
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Dawg, you see? The ringleader and her admirers will follow you wherever you go.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks Ferond. And yeah I agree. If you do start it, I won't post for at least a day or so if at all. As really, my opinion on it is quite clear.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • but who is thinking of the chilllldrennnnn?
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If anyone is still doing the band, i have a harp i'm just starting to learn. It sounds pretty no matter what.

    Oh, and POOP!!!!!!!!
    Posted 15 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "It sounds pretty no matter what."

    sounds like a challenge to me.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg,

    My point in the second post was, their is no objective way to define "family game." The selection of criteria is a matter of opinion - therefore not objective. Each of us chose the criteria we think should be used, but neither of us has objective reasons for choosing those criteria. At least, I know my reasons aren't objective, and yours rely on the premise that films are a reasonable comparison to MMOGs. If your reasons are objective, please prove that premise. Others have argued previously that it is not a reasonable comparison, and so far I am persuaded in that direction. Also, I have seen films advertised as family films and games advertised as family games. Can others back me up on that?

    My point in the first post was, sometimes if you get at the first premises an argument is based on, you can find some common ground, and from there might establish the respect necessary for a serious discussion. There's also the potential benefit of seeing things from a new perspective and, if you're a mercenary like me, becoming more persuasive by understanding the people you're trying to persuade.

    People point out multiple times in the average age thread that it isn't remotely a scientific sampling and that it's just for fun, so it doesn't qualify as valid piece of evidence.

    On the question of using words like "fuck," I generally avoid using them in mixed company, unless I think I have very good reason to do so. What other people do is their own affair.

    Likewise, I hope I don't come off rude. I just enjoy a good argument. I'm also enjoying the intermittent dashes of pure silliness.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ooloi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • To sum up:

    Thread initiated about one topic (is it okay to tell people to be careful of their language in Global Chat... which is going away anyway) but sidetracked by the framing premise (that Glitch is a "family game").

    Everyone mostly agrees that (1) sure, you can ask, (2) don't expect a great response back, and (3) definition of what "bad language" is subjective.

    Original Poster agrees (mostly with that) and states (correctly) that the community will never be able to agree on whether its a "family game" (Yes: 1. No: Everyone else.)

    I decide wear my French Maid's dress on Zille-o-ween in honor of this thread. And flash everyone my breasts.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Dawgg, as one example of the futility of continuing this discussion here, do you see that even the people who are trying to discuss this with you seriously have missed your repeated statements that you have given up trying to call it a "family" game, and missed your answer to my question about your whole purpose in this thread? Do you see anyone else besides me who shows any awareness of that?

    Edit: besides me and Lord Bacon-o
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg:

    Yes, my definition of family game is my personal opinion on what it should be, just as your unshakeable assertion that a family game is any game that appeals to a wide age range is your personal opinion.  I simply wanted you to stop trying to define "flaws" in my definition, because I did not see them as flaws, as I had thought them out and stick by my definition.

    The age thread proves me right, actually.  You do not see a majority of people under 14 that were playing as alpha testers.  There was a wide range, true, but it tends to start with 18 and go up from there.

    So you are saying that a family game is just a game that appeals to a lot of people, even if those people are all adults?  So even if a game is rated MA, because it can appeal to a wide range of ages?  That's bullshit.

    Kids are attracted to South Park because it's animated.  I know 8 year old boys whose favorite movie is the latest "Saw" installment.  Just because it "appeals" to youngsters doesn't mean it's intended for them, and parents (and you, apparently) need to get their minds around that.

    By requesting that people watch their language to meet your requirements, you are asking people to self-censor.  I provided a definition of censoring for you in an earlier post, since you don't seem to understand that this is what you are asking.

    The content is not appropriate for children.  I refuse to use young adults, because if we're talking 14-17 year-olds, there is no issue with bad language.  They have heard/seen worse, even if they don't use it, and they are certainly old enough to close a damn chat window if they are offended.  Everyone using "drat" for "damn" and "frak" for "fuck" should only be implemented if the kid is too young to deal, and 14 is old enough to find a way to deal without having to go running to Mommy and crying that bad people are making their ears bleed.  If the issue is children, then the beer-guzzling quest, use of alcohol, and general uncontrollable user-generated content unique to the internet is not appropriate.  No online game that is not geared to kids is appropriate.  You agree on this point, so I ask: Why is language in chat an issue for you?

    I ask now: How old are you?  What are your motives?  People in Glitch have generally been nice, educated, and not using pervasive "bad" language in offensive ways.  Are you so young that a single instance of "fuck" makes your ears bleed?

    I mean, come on.  My 75 year old grandmother once asked my cousin if his girlfriend ate sausage.  He said that she didn't, as she considered it to be "dirty."  She looked him in the eye and said, "But I'm sure she eats your sausage, and that's way dirtier than mine."  She'd be laughing her ass off at the game, and probably posting dirtier innuendos than I could create.  She certainly would not be offended by the "bad" language in here.  Nor would any adult in my family.  I am sure, however, that the under-18 set would be unnerved and refuse to play with any of us, just to avoid embarrassment (and I wouldn't want them playing anyway, because they would be incredibly annoying).

    So, you are either asking everyone to self-censor, or not asking anyone to alter their use of language.  Which is it?
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ooloi,

    Well, I did admit that in my original thread. That Films aren't really comparable to Games. But, in regards to language? There is pretty objectively a good reason there to say that they parallel closely. That is, the reasoning behind a family film is the wide audience. Scientific or not, the age thread shows that a wide audience plays the game, no? Let's compare this quickly to Gears of War.

    My nephew plays it a lot. It's not my cup of tea. In that game, the characters themselves literally cuss left and right. The game is clearly designed with a certain demographic in mind. That is, males 17-22? The game can appeal to others, but I wouldn't imagine you'd see an informal survey show the range of ages that the age thread showed. 

    So, I really feel it's safe to say that Glitch is appealing to a wide range of ages, and to both males and females. Actually, it seems to appeal to females more than males. But nevertheless, it appeals to males too.

    I agree we need to define, objectively, what a family game is to really pin down if Glitch is one or not. But in regards to family gamedome and language, I don't think it is even important if it will ultimately be considered a family game or not. That is, the language factor only cares about there being the presence of an eclectic group. We have that. As such, we should watch our language.

    " On the question of using words like "fuck," I generally avoid using them in mixed company, unless I think I have very good reason to do so. What other people do is their own affair."

    Me too. I actually say 'what the fo' or "what the flip.' Things like that. I am known for saying good grief and jimminy cricket. Son of a gun. Things like that. In fact, if I do curse, the room goes silent and everyone goes like, you can curse! I just typically prefer not to.

    "Likewise, I hope I don't come off rude. I just enjoy a good argument. I'm also enjoying the intermittent dashes of pure silliness"

    Not at all. I too like a good discussion. I welcome criticism. I feel the best way to improve an idea is to focus on its faults.

    Thanks for your replies. Sorry for not replying to you earlier.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • very nice, lord bacon-o.

    that's exactly it.

    and for the record (as i stated on page one) i prefer the language to be polite. crude language makes me uncomfortable.

    but nannying, censorship, persistent ignorance of facts and really bad reasoning bring out the pirhana in me.

    and i'm all, like, oh, YEAH? you're going to keep going until you have the last word? that's really funny. i wonder how long i can keep you going for?

    it's a super sport, much funnier than the potato peeling biatholon.

    ETA: I feel the best way to improve an idea is to focus on its faults.

    like the basic premise?or its lack of foundation in reality?those are pretty big faults.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Dawgg, and anyone else who is interested in this discussion:

    I'm interested in this discussion, but not enough to try to pursue it in this flood of abuse. If you or anyone else is interested in my ideas about it, PM me or see me in my closet, or help me find some other place for it.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yawn...
    Posted 15 months ago by ArtOfHands RoboGirl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "i can't really find an official definition for what a family game is or not"

    Definitions-
    FAMILY:
    Noun: A group consisting of parents and children living together in a household.
    Adjective: Designed to be suitable for children as well as adults.

    CHILDREN:
    A young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority

    FULL PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT:
    Girls have usually reached full physical development by ages 15–17, boys usually complete puberty by ages 16–18

    LEGAL AGE OF MAJORITY:
    Legally an adult, and responsible for the majority of his or her actions.
    Most of us recognize "minors" as another word for children. Legally, the term "minor" indicates that a person is still in the "age of minority" which means that he or she is only legally responsible for the minority of actions. The parents or legal guardians are responsible for the majority of children's actions.

    GAME:
    A form of play or sport, esp. a competitive one played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck

    And yes I agree all families do not have young children, but in this case the word "family" is being used as an adjective for the word "game", so we would have to choose the adjective definition of family.

    THEREFORE:
    Definition of FAMILY GAME:
    (Since "family" is an adjective)
    Any form of play, played according to rules and decided by skill, strength, or luck, playedtogether in a household by a group consisting of parents and a young human being below the age of 15 or below the legal age of majority.  Must be suitable for children as well as adults.

    TOS:
    Glitch is not for young children. You must be 14 or older to play, and those between the ages of 14 and 17 need parental permission in order to sign up.

    can we just settle this. family game or not?
    BIG GIANT NOT
    Posted 15 months ago by Gadzooks Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Mr Dawgg:

    You  provided another example yourself of missing important posts, when you explained how you missed Ooloi's posts.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Two days ago, Ferond said this:  It also doesn't mean that I want my idea of courteous language to be imposed on anyone.

    Voluptua Sneezelips had this suggestion:  Hi Ferond - it might take a while for this to catch on, but I have an idea for you for when the game goes live (unless you've done this already...?): Why not start a clean chat group, set clear parameters for it, and make it invitation only (or set it so that people need permission to join, or however you set that up). If someone's a jerkpants and joins with the sole purpose of dropping f-bombs on you, kick 'em out. This way, you can create a little inner Glitch community of like-minded souls, and play the game (relatively) free of the swearzins and naughtitude.

    Instead of saying, "oh yes, that would solve the problem", both Mr. Dawgg and Ferond have continued to argue that no, that would not solve the problem. 

    Apparently, the problem is not that people want to have a game environment where "language" is minimised.  Unlike the WoW playing family, it is not sufficient fun to create a chat channel where those rules can be enforced. 

    Instead, the problem seems to be that everyone else needs to agree to play following those rules and to agree that they can be reprimanded if they don't. 

    I'm still not understanding why having your own channel where you can enforce the rules yourself, without waiting for TS staff, is not an acceptable solution. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lord bacon-o,

    I agree with your summary except that we don't know if everyone else really feels it's not a family game or not. But, the thing is, at first glance, it certainly could appear to be, and that's why many people I know face to face aren't against that definition. But that's neither here nor there. As I myself am not going to label it a family game because no one really wants it labelled that way. 

    Additionally, it isn't ever going to be settled. Though if it were going to be, we need to at least wait until we see the game go public because, as has been mentioned (by me as well), that GC will be gone. And, we will see the true marketing strategy. Finally, we will see who actually ends up playing. There could be a lot of 'kids' and 'young adults.' So we'll have to wait and see.

    Ferond,

    Oh I know. And that's why I repeat myself to each individual. But, again, I consider it a thread that I'm the arbiter of, so I feel I should respond to each poster who asks me a question. 

    Eliza,

    I don't think a game could appeal to a wide age range without also appealing to at least young adults. I would compare this game to Gaia online. Not only does it look similar, but there is a similar motif of 'dressing-up.' This game appeals only to a younger adult crowd. I wouldn't consider this a family game.

    But, then why would I consider Glitch a family game? Well because it has similar elements that Gaia has (the dressing up, the look), and at the same time it also appeals to adults. At the same time, it even appeals to older adults. If we break it down that there are essentially four agre groups like so... (mind you, I'm doing this just for my own purposes, but I don't think it's unreasonable)... kids 8-13, young adults 14-18, adults 19-50, older adults 51+. Glitch has a good amount of players in each group except the ones where they're prohibited (8-13). This is of course according to the age thread, which, admittedly isn't scientific. 

    There is clearly content for a wide audience that includes young adults. So you're right. Maybe I should change my definition a bit. It's a wide range of ages that includes kids and/or young adults. Does that sound fair? 

    "The content is not appropriate for children.  I refuse to use young adults, because if we're talking 14-17 year-olds, there is no issue with bad language."

    No. A film is upped to R when it has too many uses of foul language. As my original post showed from Wikipedia, if it has around 4 or more uses it becomes upped to R. Additionally, a movie is upped to R when it has a lot of violence. Glitch itself never uses language and has almost no violence. The Rook scratching up the screen might be considered violence.

    This is of course using the movie rating system, but I don't know how the ESRB does it. Maybe I should look that up. But, a big part of why I think Glitch is even 14 and up is because of the fact that it's an online game. Even Nintendo Wii games that are Rated E and can be played online, such as Mario Kart DS, which you can't really talk at all. But you can have names and images, they have a disclaimer that says they can't control the content online. As an aside, perhaps because Nintendo can't enforce it on MKDS players, we should feel it's OK to use foul imagery and foul names on MKDS when we play online? You know that's a no, guys.

    "I ask now: How old are you?  What are your motives?  People in Glitch have generally been nice, educated, and not using pervasive "bad" language in offensive ways.  Are you so young that a single instance of "fuck" makes your ears bleed?"

    My age doesn't matter. My motives? It's been clear this whole thread. I've answered that question at least 5 times. If we go by this thread, your claim that people have generally been nice is completely false... you will agree at least from my perspective. And no, bad language doesn't make my ears bleed. Why take it to the extreme? I just prefer no foul language in a public chat? Is that really so wrong?

    "So, you are either asking everyone to self-censor, or not asking anyone to alter their use of language.  Which is it?"

    I'm not asking people to censor per se. I'm asking them to politely refrain as they would in any public setting. That's it.

    Thanks Eliza. I hope I am not causing you to be frustrated. Thank you for your reply.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Gadzooks, 

    Well formed definition. But, life isn't black and white like that. Also, technically, your definition could still work with Glitch. Under 15 could be age 14. Also, besides, it doesn't even matter. No one, including myself, is labeling the game a family game any more.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • WindBorn,

    I could understand your angle if I was supporting a truly oppressive idea. It's simply asking people to be polite and refrain from using crude discussions/words/whatever in a public chat area. Be it Local or Global. It's really not that unreasonable, is it?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • and i also suggested the thing i do when i do not like the langage or topic of the chat: i close the window.

    but no, that won't work either. we have to get everyone to agree first that it's a FAMILY game and then impose restrictions on people's behavior because of that.

    quite frankly, i resent being told in an adult environment that i need to change my behavior simply because somebody else managed to reproduce.

    i would not dream of going to a children's event and demanding that we all be able to speak freely about drug use and sexual practices. i expect that grownups in a grownup environment no matter how attractive it may be to any size base may be free to speak as they will and not have to be family-friendly.

    but this thread is like arguing with a fish. i have been in a whole room full of schizophrenics and found their thinking to be much more coherent and ordered and in general much more open to other people's ideas.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, it really is that unreasonable.  Which is why you're getting so much push-back.  You and Ferond are the only ones who seem to think it's reasonable to go around asking people to self-censor (refrain) in public areas.

    You're trying to control the behavior of every other player, by asking them to agree to rules that you (not Tiny Speck) have proposed.  Most of us in this thread aren't agreeing to that kind of control.

    The issue is not that most of us use that kind of language regularly.  The issue is that most of us want to be able to use that language when we feel it is appropriate, not when some other player feels it is appropriate.  And if there is a player-versus-player disagreement, that no other player is empowered to tell us that we don't have the right to make that decision. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @wind-born:

    actually, they're not the only ones.

    i actually go right ahead and ask people to use cleaner language around me. i do it online and i do it in real life.

    and if they are rude to me when i ask, i have a trombone.

    but i WILL NOT stand for people coming into an adult environment and deciding for other people in that environment that we all need rules because they don't like the chat, or that we have to self-censor because children may be present.

    blast their sense of entitlement. if you don't like the conversation, don't be a part of it. close the blasted chat window. come back later.

    i do it every honkin' day. it's not that hard. and it is not odious to the general community.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • WindBorn,

    It's not control. It's like... polite society social norms and mores. Which, I guess you're right that people are fighting it, so in a way it isn't the social norm. I just now realized that. It's really weird actually. Maybe you guys are a lot more renegade than the typical NORP. But still, I contend that it's not oppression at all. I say this because I accept that some use is ok. Gray area, many right answers. But typically, none is best, I say.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Windborn:

    You said that I "have continued to argue that no, that would not solve the problem."
    False.

    You said that I "think it's reasonable to go around asking people to self-sensor (refrain) in public areas."
    False.

    ETA: You said that I'm "trying to control the behavior of every other player, by asking them to agree to rules that you (not Tiny Speck) have proposed."
    False
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm only here for the badge....lol
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  • I'm only here for the badge....lol

    ha! i now my neighbors want to know what's so funny.

    i want those pearls.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • tldr

    No such thing as a family game in my home. Wife can't stand games, period. Is that off-topic? Make your point more succinctly next time.
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