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Questions Nobody Seems To Know The Answer To:

1)  Is Better Learning supposed to count towards the 37 free skills?  Cause I have seen devs mention that it is not supposed to, but when I only had 35 skills including Better Learning, my 36th skill increased overall skill learning time.
2)  How do piggy collectors work?  For some reason mine have become way less efficient, but I never got the message warning that would happen and I only have 5 meat collectors.  I never added or removed any collectors but they seem to work much slower.  I added a pig, but shouldn't that speed up the collector time, not slow it down?
3)  Most Important:  How does pausing a skill work?  Pausing a skill says you will lose super speed, but you don't.  I've also heard people say if you pause and then restart later you can no longer spend favor to speed up the skill further, but that also isn't the case as I've paused and restarted skills and been able to spend favor on them.  Are these bugged, or does it work differently?

It would be really nice if a dev could explain these!  It may seem like small things, but they are all important to how I play the game

Posted 14 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • All I got is for #2: the description of the meat collectors states that too many will "cause the piggies to become confused" but I'm not clear on what "become confused" means precisely, nor how many is "too many."

    My experience with skills is that I can pause them with no penalty.  I've both maintained super speed AND continued to apply favor.
    Posted 14 months ago by Zedric Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There was a VERY lengthy dev discussion about (2) when they made the last announced changes (not to say there haven't been other tweaks).
    Posted 14 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As far as skills, if you pause it you can still apply favor.  If you're above your Better Learning limit and learn a different skill, the paused skill will take longer.  It seems to pause at a % completion, not an absolute time.
    Posted 14 months ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have 23 pigs in my house and 4 collectors and they seem to fill up at a nice speed... so 4 may be the limit for maximum efficiency.
    Posted 14 months ago by Ryft Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've been locked out of speeding up skills I've paused if they were sped up  when I paused them
    Posted 14 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am happy to know that I can pause a skill after doing speed  learning and return to it  later and still use favor to reduce learning times. I wonder why there is a warning about changing skills while I am speed learning.

    And yes Lucille, you are right. I just tested it. The time of a paused skill (Piety) increased (from approximately 22h15m to 22h40m) as soon as I started another skill.
    Posted 14 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't see why they would want to punish switching a skill in the first place. 
    Posted 14 months ago by La_La Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I understand why they want to punish skill pausing, I just don't understand how you are being punished, as far as I've noticed there is no penalty for pausing skills, they increase if you finish another skill when its paused but so do all the other skills.
    Posted 14 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think it's punishment,  it feels more like buggy behaviour if you can't speed it back up again.

    I accidentally switched for BL4 to Eyeballery while I had a couple of hours of sped up learning, but days left to learn.  When I switched back,  I wasn't able to speed it up at all again. 
    Posted 14 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm having an issue with my meat collectors now that I got a new one.

    Last night before bed I added a 5th piggy and a 2nd meat collector.

    Usually with the 4 piggies I had, and one meat collector, it would be nearly full when I have a chance to check on it the next morning. Today with the two and an extra piggy, I had 8 pieces of meat.

    I collected those 8 pieces several hours ago (maybe 10-11am and now it's 4pm), and neither of my collectors have collected any more.

    It's really weird because I had 5 pigs before (last week), and they filled the collector fast, and 4 pigs still filled it fairly quick, but now not even one is filling moderately. I had 2 collectors during beta after the change, and they weren't slow like this.

    With the rate my stuff was gathering at, I figured 2 meat collectors and 1 butterfly milker would fit my needs perfectly, especially when I can't empty the collector on time. Maybe my poor piggies are confused.
    Posted 14 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • RE #1http://www.glitch.com/forum/general/8512/#reply-90896

    "They do not count in the sense that learning them will not increase the time it takes to learn any other skill. So, if you include them, you can have 42 skills (not 32) without any increased learning time.Posted 6 days ago by stoot barfield  | Permalink"

    RE #3http://www.glitch.com/forum/general/4951/#reply-43662

    "I've seen this explained by devs before, and I'll summarize as best I can.
    1) You can cut off half the time a skill takes via donations.  This has the effect of your skill showing that it will take less time to complete.
    1a) However, you'll only get half if you donate the exact second you start the skill and keep the faster learning up constantly.  You can never take off more than half of the time you currently have remaining on the skill.  If you wait to donate or it stops, you can take off half of the time you have left.
    2) When you pause while it's accelerated (while the rock turns pages faster), you will not be able to speed up that skill any more, but the time you have remaining on the skill will stay the same.
    2a) If you wait to pause until the rock is no longer turning at double speed or until you're already fully sped up (you can't donate more to get more time off), pausing won't impact you.

    I've also tested the above personally and it's worked that way for me each time so far.Posted 89 days ago by Magic Monkey  | Permalink"
    Posted 14 months ago by Millie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "They do not count in the sense that learning them will not increase the time it takes to learn any other skill. So, if you include them, you can have 42 skills (not 32) without any increased learning time.Posted 6 days ago by stoot barfield  | Permalink"

    And later in that thread it's confirmed that this is not the case. The 37 skills max include all the Better Learning skills. :(
    Posted 14 months ago by Not A Brontosaurus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What Brontosaurus said, Stoot mentioned better learning don't count towards the total but mine have, as have others. Either he was wrong or its bugged or was changed, but nobody seems able to figure out why.

    Same with skills, I have paused with speed learning then picked back up and still had speed learning and was still able to donate. I guess that was a bug?
    Posted 14 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And there is definitely a huge change with meat collectors efficiency, I checked the latest updates like LBO said and didn't see anything about meat collectors
    Posted 14 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Skill learning should still work they way I explained/Millie quoted me above.  I've confirmed that within the last few days, so if it's not working that way I'd call it a bug.  (I'm assuming that by "still able to donate" you're meaning that you could still spend favor to gain speed.)
    Posted 14 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes Ive paused teleportation v while speed learning and then still been able to spend favor speeding it up after I restarted it. Not sure if the skill is bugged or the rock is bugged showing speed learning when its not supposed to.

    Any word about the other two questions?
    Posted 14 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali, your issue with 1) might be explained by the fact that starting a skill is now what triggers the time extension, not finishing one. 

    As for the speed learning, I have definitely been able to speed skills after pausing, but often there is a LONG wait before i can speed again after a pause.  I.e.:
    1) Start skill A.
    2) Do some speed learning on skill A, but don't max out.
    3) Switch to skill B and do some speed learning or not.  (Note skill A is going in fast mode.)
    4) Wait a long time (not sure how long, but definitely longer than the amount of time that was cut off the learning time from the spending in step 2), switch back to skill A.
    5) Spend more favor to speed learn skill A some more.

    It might be a bug, but I have done this multiple times on various skills.

    Also, my collectors are working just fine, though I only have 2 of each at the moment.
    Posted 14 months ago by larky lion Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As far as better learning I believe a lot of the confusion comes from the fact it used to be '32 skills not including better learning skills,' and now is '37 skills including the better learning skills,' which is essentially the same thing.
    Posted 14 months ago by Cross Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Is it 3% or 5% penalty per skill after BL?  Also anyone want to hazard a guess at how much each collector confuses the piggies so I can figure out how many are best for me based on how long I'm often away for.  Also how does the max of animals in your house before feeling overcrowded work?  Is there any reason not to have a crazy number of feeders so you only have to resupply them at very long intervals?
    Posted 14 months ago by Hameigh Subscriber! | Permalink