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Series 2 Cubimal Value List (Deemed "Scarily accurate" by Kukubee)

Please note that this isn't a chart of how rare these are, but instead the actual values. Don't get them confused! Buy smart!

Hello Glitchen/friends/family/staff/enemies/rooks!

Sludge and I have been using Researched Market Data™ and Proven Value Estimating™ to determine prices that are fair value for the newly released Series 2 Cubimals. As values change, I will update this list. Here we go! (all values are in currants)

This list was last updated:  1:18 am, Fryday 37th of Remember, year 22 

Common / Uncommon
Groddle Street Spirit -- 500
Fox -- 500
Uralia Street Spirit -- 500
Fox Ranger -- 500
Gnome -- 500
Firebog Street Spirit -- 500
Sloth -- 500
Emo Bear -- 500
Ilmenskie Jones -- 2,000
Butler -- 5,000
Phantom -- 5,000 
Crafty Bot -- 5,000 

Semi-Rare / Rare
Maintenance Bot -- 50,000
Meal Vendor -- 75,000
Tool Vendor -- 75,000
Gardening Goods Vendor -- 80,000 
Trisor -- 100,000
Señor Funpickle -- 100,000
Hell Bartender -- 200,000
Scion of Purple -- 300,000

Total fair price to buy all cubimals:
946,800 currants

If you think our Values™ and Estimates™ are incorrect, please tell us! We'll debate strongly though. These figures don't lie!

Posted 6 months ago by Mocha Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • bartender is less rare that trisor, pickle and scion
    Posted 6 months ago by ☣ elf ☣ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @elf He is less rare, but he has been selling for more than the pickle and trisor, so his value is currently higher.
    Posted 6 months ago by Sludge Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, I have bought about 250 Cubimal Boxes, and I have ended up with 3 Meal Vendors. 

    The demand on Scions seems like it should be worth slightly higher, yes. I think Hell Bartenders sell fast as well.
    Posted 6 months ago by I Love You TS Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Are you folks willing to make trades at these values? Or just suggesting them? I have a spare Bartender who's looking at me funny.
    Posted 6 months ago by Stuv Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Stuv These are just values to help people making trades.
    Posted 6 months ago by Sludge Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Pickle is supposed to be one of the rarest along with things like the scion according to Stoot. Seems a bit low as such.
    Posted 6 months ago by Melting Sky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Maybe I should make it a little more clear. This isn't a rarity chart, but more instead what the actual values of these are. Though pickle may be one the rarest, there are a lot out there, so it's worth less.
    Posted 6 months ago by Mocha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Strongly disagree, aha. But pretty well done, and you should follow Jess's rares, fyi. and the commons for now shall be atleast 2k to me aha
    Posted 6 months ago by Ameh.Loves.Fudge Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think Pickles are too common, actually. I have gotten at least 15 already.
    Posted 6 months ago by I Love You TS Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I also feel that gardening shall be just a tid bit high than meal and tool.
    Posted 6 months ago by Ameh.Loves.Fudge Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The minimum value of any cubimal should be 5500, since that's what it costs to buy a box.  My guess is that a lot of people would rather set the common varieties free for the imagination points than get a measly eleventh of the purchase price back in a sale.
    Posted 6 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Some people REALLY need the money though. Why? Who knows. They'd probably rather not tell. It could be some cabbage fetish. Nobody needs to know about that.

    But, alas, people aren't going to buy a really common cubimal for 5500, even if that's what the original person got it for. If they got a eleventh, then that's still an eleventh! They could use that. For, you know, cabbages...
    Posted 6 months ago by Mocha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow those prices sure are arbitrary. You have to go with what people are listing vs what people are paying.  Also there is NO data to back this up. The previous lists were based on many folks reporting how many boxes they bought and what they got and lots of other data, so show your work. Otherwise you just decided what was fair and artificiality set the prices.

    For instance I got a ton of crafty bots, so why so high, the very rares are selling at much higher prices, etc etc. Old non rare cubes are going at higher rates that you have listed even.
    Posted 6 months ago by snarkle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Snarkle This list is based off how many of each type of cubimal is up for sale, and at what prices they have sold.  This is not based off what they have been listed for.
    Posted 6 months ago by Sludge Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Snarkle: Dude, you can't dispute Researched Market Data™. It's got a trademark!

    However though, we've done some of the things you've said. We've watched what's gone for the sale in the Marketplace, what the final sale prices were, the demand of each, etc. We've also watched other places, and conducted sales ourselves, and seen what offers are.

    Also, just because you got a good amount of crafty bots, doesn't mean anyone else has. As in the post, this isn't a rarity list. This is a value list.
    Posted 6 months ago by Mocha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Rube Cubes have been selling for way more than these do, even now.

    Why are the S2 Cubis so cheap?
    Posted 6 months ago by Serra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Serra S1 Cubis used to be about this cheap too, but then over time some went down in value and some went up in value.
    Posted 6 months ago by Sludge Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually we made a last minute decision to make the Hell Bartender similar to the Scion of Purple in rareness.
    So Mocha's list is scarily accurate.
    Posted 6 months ago by Kukubee Subscriber! | Permalink
  • no wonder i barely see them.
    Posted 6 months ago by Ameh.Loves.Fudge Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Waaaaait Kukubee... Are you saying I shouldn't swap my Hell Bartender for a Firebog Street Spirit?
    Posted 6 months ago by Stuv Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My Friend Opened 17 boxes and got...

    Gnome Cubimal--4-----500=2000
    Fox Cubimal-------2-----500=1000
    Sloth Cubimal-----3-----500=1500
    Tool Vendor--------2----75k==140,000
    Groddle Street...--1----500=500
    Firebog Street...--1----500=500
    Emo-Bear Cubi---1---500=500
    ---------------------------+__________
    Total Amount Earned 146k
    Total Amount Spent-- 77k
    Total Profit Made---------69k

    My Friend is really happy! (GamerEU)

    Offtopic, Anyone who is interested in buying any just Im!
    Posted 6 months ago by Taco Assassin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The uncommons are probably worth a bit more than 500 too. LIke the gnome.
    Posted 6 months ago by Melting Sky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @glum pudding  An unopened box has the potential to yield any of the cubis, including the rarest one, while a common cubi is worth much less. You can think of the worth of an unopened box as its chance to yield each cubimal times that cubimal's price. Whereas the worth of a common cubimal is nearly zero since anyone who is collecting them already has more than they want.

    I think several other people are still confusing the meaning of this thread. "Worth" here is not a value judgement, just an estimate of a "fair" selling price. If the market had better liquidity and transparency, this could be determined by looking at actual sale prices, but the authors have attempted to provide that through their trademarked estimation methods. :)
    Posted 6 months ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually even a common is worth something like 500 img.
    Posted 6 months ago by Melting Sky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Janitch is right.  That's how it works with real life blind box collectibles.  Common ones lose value the moment they are pulled from the box, as part of the value is in the potential.  Why pay 5,500 for a common when you can pay 5,500 for a chance at a rare?  

    A simple example: kidrobot's signature series kidreaper doll sold for $50 in the blind box.  Pull out a reaper, immediately worth $40, pull out the mostly white rare version, immediately worth $200.  Those aren't today's prices, mind you, but that's how it was selling a few years ago at release.  
    Posted 6 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • interesting actually thinking about the comparison, I hadn't even though cubimals are the closest I have to vinyl these days.  

    Prices on blind box toys are usually really high while the set is "active," while it's relatively new and there are still crazy collectors willing to part with a lot of money to CATCH THEM ALL.  Then the price dips, a pretty steep dip actually, as the market is saturated: the crazy collectors have them all, and it's just the people like me, searching for a deal.  Then when they're out of circulation and it's nearly impossible to find unopened boxes, they start creeping back up.  Not so much the common ones since the collectors generally have them, but the rares creep up.  And unopened boxes start selling WAY over list price.  

    I'm not sure how much of that applies to cubimal prices.  Prices will settle, but probably not creep back up since availability doesn't change.  But man, I would love to see the market if series 1 were discontinued.  
    Posted 6 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Saucelah, don't give them any ideas! I still need a damn Rook and Rube.
    Posted 6 months ago by Stuv Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Saucelah: Totally agree with you, BUT, why, why, why do you say things like this???

    >But man, I would love to see the market if series 1 were discontinued.

    YOU KNOW THEY'RE LISTENING!!! >_>
    Posted 6 months ago by EnnuiStreet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually, making the Series 1 source shrink or even dry up might be a good idea. As long as there is a new series every year or so, making the old series rarer provides another currant sync and something for people to work towards.

    Note that I say this as someone who also doesn't have a complete set of Series 1 cubis. (Although, to be fair, I've not been bitten by the cubi collecting bug.) If the Series 1 cubi boxes were going away, it might even tempt non-collectors buy some as an investment.
    Posted 6 months ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've got an idea! Series 1 should be twice as expensive as series 2, series 2 should be twice as expensive as series 3, and so on... The last series would always be 5k (I hate 5,5 price), and as new series come, the older ones would become more and more pricey, making them more rare! That would take care of that!
    Posted 6 months ago by Electric Wizard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah I dislike the 5.5K price. 5K was a nice number ;)
    Posted 6 months ago by Rah Subscriber! | Permalink
  • All I know is yesterday I spent in the region of 1.5mill on cubis by the end of the day - at the end I had 3 pickles, 2 trisor but no hells bartender, no purple scion, no meal vendor (I did get quite a few tool vendors though) and only 1 maintenace bot.

    I was either extremely unlucky or I think the prices above don't really reflect the correct values.  The information used was flawed unless you could actually see how much money was spent on buying the cubis as that also would affect the pricing.

    Edit - and out of those currants I also didn't get one Gardening Tool Vendor (another player/new friend gave me one whilst I was buying! : )  : )
    Posted 6 months ago by ~Arabesque~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I collect vinyl toys irl and really like thw proposition that series one boxes would eventually vanish. It would also help create a more exciting user made market for existing S1 cubis.
    Posted 6 months ago by Muncey Mango Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I like the idea of the older series of cubimals being taken away from the vendors, as long as we had notice before it happened, and got new series on a regular basis (yearly or whatever).
    Posted 6 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think that would be fair - at all - to newly arriving players. 
    Posted 6 months ago by Sonnys Subscriber! | Permalink
  • WHAT?!  I BOUGHT A SLOTH AND FOX FROM JESSENYA THAT WAS FOR 5K!!!!
    Posted 6 months ago by FTW BACON!! Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think that removing the older series permanently is not fair to newer players, unless they cycle back it (like Disney movies, in & out of the vault).  Remember that this game is still in beta (well second beta) and a lot of new players will be coming for the first time after launch, or the next set of invites, or whenever.  Just because some of us have been playing for quite a while doesn't mean that other people should not get the same opportunity to collect stuff at reasonable prices.  

    However, I could understand maybe making series seasonal, with different series on sale at different times/months.  That would reward patience.  And would be more like Zilloween and Easter Eggs -- they come eventually, if you wait.

    But just because some of the current players are bored with series 1 is no reasons to deprive other people of them, especially as they represent a lot of the more basic aspects of the game (animals, basic vendors).  If you don't want them, don't buy them.  But don't keep the new people from having the same collecting pleasure/torture that you enjoyed.  

    Anyhow, that is my opinion.

    Which has nothing to do with the original topic, for which I apologize to Mocha. 
    Posted 6 months ago by RainCat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not bored with them. I just think it would be more exciting. Of course they wouldn't phase out till the game is reopened, but once it is, I think they should. Just my opinion though:) Of course, I would also be happy if we had 100 different cubimals forever.
    Posted 6 months ago by Muncey Mango Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ha, it is easy for me to say given I finished series 1 while we were in R1 of the housing test.  But actually, I wasn't so much advocating for phasing out series 1 as I was musing about what that would do to the prices on series 1.  

    But rare, near impossible to obtain collectibles are part of the schtick for this game.  I think it would be neat, someday, after beta, if series 1 were discontinued---"more exciting" as Muncey just put it---though I agree with Shepherdmoon that it would be best with notice.  I think at least three months would curb the freakout---not counter it but temper it a bit---and give plenty of time for notice to trickle through the community.  

    I don't really think fairness is a concept I would personally give priority to, not in this game when it  comes to collectibles.  It's true that some new players, joining some time after the discontinuation, might be annoyed; it was true that some existing players were upset about dusty sticks.  But if that's the par for the course, it might as well be the par for the whole course, and players can learn early on that sometimes you just "had to be there."  
    Posted 6 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What Saucelah said.
    Posted 6 months ago by Muncey Mango Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'll buy any cubi being sold for 500c, in bulk!
    Posted 6 months ago by Genkimama Subscriber! | Permalink
  •  "Accuracy" was surely about rareness and the order of rareness.  How would Kukubee know going rates and "fariness" of pricing that is a moving target set by players? I think it's unfair to use that as proof of pricing.  There were plenty of times I was willing to spend 5k on the exact cubie I wanted rather than gamble on multiple boxes. 
    Posted 6 months ago by snarkle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But why, oh why can't we just auction them? Then we could actually have transparency via Ecurnomics, Startling Fecundity, etc. Other collectibles are listed. If it's good for Ayn Rand dolls and GNG's, why not cubis?  We can even list emblems and icons now. Commons from series 1 even show up in the auction search as if they were auctionable at some point.

    So my question is: Is there some technical limitation or gameplay concern over just letting the already existing auction market facilitate trading? It could only help smooth some of the volatility and give newcomers or the otherwise uninitiated the ability to educate themselves in a more organized, efficient manner.
    Posted 6 months ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Koftun -- It would be nice if we could auction them. I have a feeling though that they really wanted these to be traded, akin to trading cards, and not just sold blindly. They want you to have a connection! Love your cubimals. They'll love you back. Even if you set them free, you do it with love! Therefore, the reason we can't auction them is because love. 

    Snarkle -- He knows because he's Kukubee. No explanation needed. Also, just because you were willing to spend 5000 for a common cubimal, doesn't mean everyone else wants to. One goal with this list was to make it so people would stop gouging prices on such common cubimals. But why are you complaining?! Now you can get that common cubimal for a tenth of the price you wanted! WHAT A STEAL. 
    Posted 6 months ago by Mocha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ecurnomics doesn't really give transparency.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it shows what prices people asked but cannot say whether or not the item sold at that price.  Although if every item in a category that went on auction sold it would be accurate, it will generally have a bias that makes the prices look higher than they are, as those that did not sell are weighted and charted equally with those that did.  
    Posted 6 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Mocha
    I hear ya, and that's sweet and all, but it ain't like you're checking out the buyer to ensure that your cubi is finding a good home under the current trading regime. You really are selling to a buyer blindly already. Truly blindly, in fact, because you can't even measure fair value easily. Love 'em and cuddle 'em all you want, but if trading is allowed at all I can see no reason why it shouldn't be as fair and efficient as possible. 

    A lack of visibility into pricing just means that those in the know have the opportunity to make moar profit off of those who aren't as familiar with the market. In other words, the uber-traders who sell cubis all day long will make more profit off of the collectors who only buy one of each and hold them and love them forever. Sound fair?

    I'm all for profit. Dyed-in-the-wool, free market capitalist, in fact. But information disparity undermines market efficiency. To the detriment of the casual players.

    (and that is all said in the spirit of lively debate!)
    Posted 6 months ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Saucelah
    You are correct re Ecurnomics, but on Startling Fecundity at least we know if an auction went full term (i.e. expired) or closed in less than full time (i.e. cancelled or sold). There might still be a distortion there due to cancelled auctions, but I personally doubt that there would be a meaningful bias in one direction or the other due to cancellations if they are either due to errors or due to seller repricing events. Higher listing fees probably reduce that tendency as well.

    Even with Ecurnomics we can recognize the bias and directionally adjust for it when making decisions off the data. Less than idea? yes. Better than no formal market at all? Hell yes. :)
    Posted 6 months ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sounds fair to me.  Anyone more motivated and interested in the buying and selling, with patience when it comes to selling, will make much more profit on any item than someone who is only casually interested in.  In fact, I think if vendors are phased out, and we have buy orders, this actually will happen for every item.  Some will put out buy orders for every item they can turn around at a profit, and some will choose to fill those buy orders rather than sell on their own, trading extra profit for instant profit.  

    I think, in general, there's pretty standard pricing out there for series 1.  It's not hard to uncover, and even if a casual player should not want to search the forums or the marketplace forum on her own, asking around will get her pretty consistent answers.  I'm sure series 2 will settle into a similar state in the near future.  

    All that said, I don't necessarily object to having cubis on auction.  I just don't think it will solve the problems you indicate, and I'm not convinced that there's really a problem finding pricing information.
    Posted 6 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Removing items from the game STINKS.  This is all supposed to be fun, not a miserable hunt for hard-to-find items.  There should be a way for anyone to get any item in the game which doesn't involve taking the item from another player.

    As for the pricing, if you really think it's a great idea to sell the majority of your cubimal purchases at a loss, go right ahead!  :)  Someone offered me $5K for a magic rock cubimal yesterday, too.  Great deal!  Great deal!
    Posted 6 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think its truthfully somewhere in between, Saucelah. Some information is absolutely available - it just takes more effort to get to.  Prices do stabilize - its just hard to recognize trends without hard data. 

    I don't suggest that we want to prevent traders from making a profit. (that's how I enjoy playing, btw) A casual collector may not be able to get top price for their extras or buy at rock bottom prices without the intimate market knowledge that a trader has, but readily available, accurate information serves to reduce abnormal profits and allows the rank and file a better chance at a fair deal, if not the best deal.

    In another game with a less cooperative theme and style, I would feel differently. To the victor go the spoils. A sucker born every minute. Caveat emptor and all that jazz (those are my hyperbole, obviously not your words or suggestion). But this is Glitch and a market which makes it unnecessarily difficult to get access to market info (reading old posts, asking friends, etc. rather than just checking the current price) just doesn't seem to fit. 

    After all, our RL stock markets just a) help people understand what the current trading price is for a share of stock and b) facilitate the buy/sell transaction. They most certainly don't eliminate the opportunity to profit from superior market knowledge.

    And that is nuttin but my big fat opinion. ;-)
    Posted 6 months ago by Koftun Subscriber! | Permalink
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