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All may plant, all may harvest

Can the sign be taken down please?
I was in the herb gardens today, planting all of my seeds. Then someone just walked right up to the plots I was standing over and took all my herbs, when I asked for my herbs back, she responded with,"free to plant, free to take." Then, she teleported.

Can the signs PLEASE, be taken down? I just have lost all of my herbs and this might continue to be a problem.

Posted 12 months ago by feifei Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Audaria explained, Audaria is wrong. Community guidelines specifically say that you can not gang up on and harass players.  I see no reason to grief, only a reason to ignore.  I would rather not control other's gameplay at all, and if you are mistaking my intention, well, stop mistaking.  We are given a block function in this game that we can use, do any of you think that is against guidelines?  I doubt you do....so again, no helping griefers...griefers bad.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Finally visited the herb gardens; found a few empty plots. Planted some stuff. Left it behind.
    Then went to my friends houses where I'm actually doing herb farming.
    Make friends; share keys; enjoy.
    The rest of this is just flogging the drama llama.
    Posted 12 months ago by CrashTestPilot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The problem here is that those making accusations of griefing and theft against others have only shown that they do not understand the game they are playing.

    In the real world we do not have a magic box called an inventory, that no one but us can place and remove things, regardless of if we are asleep, distracted, knocked out etc. Subsequently, we make claims of ownership upon items. These claims are a social interaction. These claims are made valid or invalid by the agreement of others to respect our claims and by laws imposed upon us by those more powerful than us. Ownership is a social interaction in real life. Violating the trust of this social interaction can bring harsh penalty upon the violator.

    In Glitch, like any sandbox, we do have an inventory. It can not be accessed by other players. There is a public space, all items in the public space are declared by the nature of the game mechanics of a sandbox to be without owner. Though you may wish to make a claim of ownership on an item not in your inventory, this claim is not valid. The game mechanics hold all the authority, the mechanics of the game are the final say in the matter. And the fact of the matter is that the only valid claim of ownership you can make begins and ends with items in your inventory. It is possible to make a claim beyond this, but no player is bound to respect that claim, and that claim is not valid by the game mechanics, which are the "laws" in game.

    So, in final, I would argue that the only real jerks here are the people who do not stop and try to understand the game they are playing before playing it. The true jerks here are the people going around accusing people of theft and griefing, not because theft and griefing has occurred, but rather because these said people don't understand the laws of the land.

    If you are tired of people harvesting herbs you planted, then here's a suggestion: stop being a jerk and get yourself a private plot. Stop being a jerk and don't accuse people of griefing because you don't understand what kind of game you're playing.

    Stop being a jerk.
    Posted 12 months ago by Dr. Yeti Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Corvus, those are not the only accusations of griefing in this game.  Just one particular example. To some extent, you are right, though you are overly harsh about it.  The game rules state the world is community property, rather than private.  But the game rules are not final, nor are they ever final in most games.  The players as a whole are usually the final say of most games.  

    A lot of people are definitely not within rights at all to call on griefing in the gardens when they are trying to claim the whole set of plots.  However, when it comes to those who really only go in to guano a few plots they plant and then to obtain said plants, they are just trying to finish a quest or a badge.  You may feel they deserve someone to come in and click their harvest before they can, but that is you.

    Again, this is not the only griefing that goes on in this game.  Anytime someone makes use of another's ignorance for gain, that is more or less griefing.  Should anyone who is ignorant of a game mechanic have learned it?  Yes, they should have.  Do they deserve to be mistreated because they did not?  Well, why should they deserve that?
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If said player plants in the last two open plots is that not "claiming the whole set of plots"? Those were the only two open plots therefore they are the "whole".
    Posted 12 months ago by Addi Bee~♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kirnan: "Audaria explained, Audaria is wrong."

    I directly quoted the Community Guidelines. Perhaps it is the Community Guidelines that are wrong? Just because you don't agree with something does not mean that it is "wrong."

    I already explained my use of the COMMUNITY gardens. I am not a griefer. I think by the things you have said, perhaps you are. But I really don't care one way or the other. UNLESS you decide to "follow me (or any of my friends) around to figure out what I do with my time." (paraphrased for grammatical accuracy) Should you choose to do this, I will report you and you can discover for yourself whether or not it is, in fact, a violation of the guidelines.

    You do not know me, nor do you have any idea if kindness is a part of my gameplay. Should you decided to exercise your " freedom to blacklist (me) and ensure others do not help (me)" you will again be in violation of the guidelines, even by your own definition: ("Community guidelines specifically say that you can not gang up on and harass players.") Block away, as you say, because that is legal. I certainly intend to exercise that right, to keep you from following me around.
    Posted 12 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *throws in her 2 cents worth*

    If a person is standing over a plot, ingame and clearly waiting to harvest, for that time that plot and whatever is produced there should be considered that person's. Basically, if you are instigating a click race, you are a griefer. You are disrupting another players progress and profitting from something you did not work for. There's no excuse or reasoning to hide behind. Just because you have the ability doesn't give you the right. If you are old enough to be playing this game then you should be mature enough to know this.There shouldn't need to be any set rule.

    I think the whole point of the community gardens was to give players the ability to complete quest and harvest things not available in their own houses. It wasn't for the greedy and the lazy to have free pickings.

    The fact that it's just a game and pixels is irrelevant. It's never a good feeling to have things that you have worked for and put time into stolen. Having the ability to hide behind a character in a game doesn't make you any less of a cheater or thief; especially in a game like this where such a thing is not expected or accepted (by most).

    I think the majority of Glitchens are nice and more than willing to help in anyway possible. It's really sad to see that there are still a few who choose to use weak excuses, and defend actions that are clearly wrong instead of trying to help stop them. I only hope the coming housing upgrades will help calm things down. It's really sickening to see such an uproar over something that should be solved with just common sense and decency.
    Posted 12 months ago by Tilwithe Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There's no "outcry"  

    There's a few dozen Glitchen who perceive mistreatment based on unreasonable, unsupported expectations of how others should behave in the community gardens.  

    There are no griefers here.  

    There are some Glitchen who use the Community Gardens without replanting, which is rude, but perfectly acceptable behavior.  

    There are no thieves here.  

    There are those who are upset that they have wasted their seeds and guano, but by the act of planting and using the guano, they have surrendered any claim they have to the product.  

    There are no victims here.  

    There are some players who have decided that they have the right to make public plots private and get upset when others do not acknowledge or are not aware that they have granted themselves that right.  

    There is no problem here.  

    After herbs got some love, a bunch of people decided that they wanted to grow them yet found they do not like that public gardens are public.  The only problem is their refusal to modify their behavior to reflect reality while demanding that others modify instead.  

    Tiny Speck has considered the issue already.  

    After threads such as this one became prevalent in the forums, Tiny Speck installed the signs.  They will not remove the signs in response to what you perceive as a problem because they installed the signs in response to what you perceive as a problem.  

    The message of the signs is clear.  

    Those that believe they have the right to make public property private are the problem, rather than the other way around.  

    I agree that guano and seeds take time and resources to acquire.  That's why I don't give them away by planting them in a public garden.  I especially wouldn't give them away to the public and then get upset when some other member of the public took them.  And that is exactly what is happening here, and if there was any question about Tiny Speck's position, the signs make it clear.  Community gardens are public property.  

    I promise you that even though I do not use the community gardens for anything, ever, that if it becomes possible to somehow temporarily privatize a public plot, I will make it my personal mission to claim and plant yellow crumb on every available plot I find.  Why would I do that?  Just to make a point -- privatizing public plots when it is convenient for you is as selfish a behavior as that you object to.  And I would want to make sure that no one missed out on the potential side effect of such a decision.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • All the above rant was, "blah opinion blah piece of mind blah same crap as everyone else blah."  Everyone keeps forgetting that this is Beta.  I'm not going to speak for the community and I'm certainly not going to speak for the devs or Tiny Speck.  But, I believe that the game is still in development.  If enough people have a problem with an aspect of the game, it is not blinkered to say that that aspect may change.  Why should we disregard rude behavior because it's a game?  Some people are saying the community gardens are a waste of time and they wouldn't throw away their stock in them, yet if they get more structure that is worth violating them even further?  Have you ever been to an actual public community garden?  Try pulling that silliness in New York or Boston.  If you all agree that there is no sense of fair play or kindness, why do you play unless it's just to grief others.   There is obviously an issue with "thieves and griefers"  and the way the gardens are set up, hence the three page forum discussion. 
    Posted 12 months ago by Mr. Miskatonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Because of this thread I purposely went to the community gardens last night and planted stuff and watered everyones' plots for them without taking anything.  It may have been a small gesture but hopefully it has ripples throughout the world like a butterfly flapping its' wings.  No more broken pasta."

    Bravo! I have, and will continue do same. No matter what the game, or the community, there's always an element that will behave poorly. I would rather come upon a situation and contribute a little than whinge on about how bad it is. I have enough things IRL to complain about. This is a GAME. 

    When I fish, I only kill/keep what I will eat. The small ones go back in the water, with my kind words and a wink. Come back when you're bigger.

    Live, love, be happy. 

    Merry Glitchmas to all!
    Posted 12 months ago by Bloatapotamus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As someone already laid out above, actually community gardens function differently than in Glitch (though not all do) because planting and growing works differently in the real world than in Glitch.  They also require dedicated employees who assign, and later revoke, who has the right to use each plot.  Tiny Speck has already provided a system that enables plots to be assigned -- it's called housing.  

    Therefore, how community gardens work in Boston (where I'm from by the way) or New York means nothing and doesn't apply here.  

    A much closer analog would be if I planted some tomatoes at the park near my house in the spring.  Anybody who happened to walk by would be within their right to pick them, and if I stood guard and called the police when someone picked without my permission, if the police even responded, they would have more to say to me than to the supposed "thieves."  

    Clearly it's not obviously an issue for the very reason you cite.  If this issue was obvious, there would not be 3 pages of back and forth discussion.  And clearly Tiny Speck agrees with me: their response to this whinging and whining was to post the signs that say "All may plant, all may harvest."  Those signs have not been there since the beginning.  Those signs are a direct response to these complaints.  

    Similarly, try going to Boston or New York, enter a public park, and specify a square foot that belongs to you that nobody else can use.  I think you will have much more interesting results.  Especially since the community gardens you refer to are not community gardens at all but private companies that rent space.  

    Last I checked, that means someone has ownership of that space.  

    No one has ownership of the community gardens but Tiny Speck.  And Tiny Speck says "All may plant, all may harvest."  Not because they didn't anticipate the problem, but as a response to those that perceive a problem.  

    The message is clear and simple.  You do not own the plot even if you once owned the resources that went into the plot.  Find some other way to plant, do not plant, or do not complain.  

    Those are your options.  No one is entitled to ownership of a public plot.  You cannot control the behavior of others, so modify your own behavior.  It amazes me how often I find the need to tell adults the phrase I once reserved entirely for children .  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Then the community gardens shouldn't exist at all.  It's irresponsible.  Create a free space that is so polluted and too much of a hassle to deal with.  The garden are more of a problem than a boon.  They should either have a method to at least maintain some equilibrium or close them down.   I suggested a fence that just tracks who goes in.  Nothing big brothery at all.  And a bin or depository to leave seeds and herbs.  You give....you take.  At the moment people are free to steal or take advantage of the do-nothing signs.  Who wants to be part of something when the advice is "Use at your own risk?"  I don't use the gardens anymore.  I'll guano-bomb people waiting for their crops and if someone is afk I'll stick the grown stuff in their inventory.  I mean, do I not understand the game?  I thought it was to be based on some sort of community and basically cooperating.  Right?  If you don't agree that fair play and decency should be part of that then you are a "griefer," and you are part of the problem.  People in this game are allowed to steal and take advantage because no punishment is in effect.  People wouldn't do it or they would do it less if they knew there was a penalty. 
    Posted 12 months ago by Mr. Miskatonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Does anyone find it interesting that Ayn Rand and Nietzsche are two of the dolls of choice? 
    Posted 12 months ago by Mr. Miskatonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The signs are a lie.  Just like the cake.  They should read, "All may plant.  What you intend to harvest may be stolen by people hiding...right over there.  It should be a community garden, but we're too lazy to help you with the problem environment we created.  So, have fun and tip your muggers."
    Posted 12 months ago by Mr. Miskatonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "fair play and decency should be part of that"  
    "people in this game are allowed to steal and take advantage"  

    I would say fair play and decency are a part of it.  Anybody can feel free to wander through and try out herb growing by harvesting what is available and/or planting if they have seeds to spare.  No one is allowed to stand over a plot and claim it is theirs to use at the exclusion of all others.  That is both a fair and decent way to deal with the community gardens, and it is exactly how they were used most often in the past.  Also, no one is allowed to steal unless you give them permission by giving them a key to your home or by placing your items in public.  Tiny Speck has repeatedly stated that you place your items in public at your own risk.  The idea of "taking advantage" works both ways: it is "taking advantage" of public property to claim you own it, no matter how temporary your claim is.  

    The signs are not a lie.  To be a lie, they would have to read: "All may plant, only those who plant may harvest and only what they plant"  

    Again, these are the realities of the community gardens.  There is nothing for Tiny Speck to police except the expectation that one can claim ownership of a plot.  They've said you cannot.  From here, players just need to police themselves -- they need to use the mechanisms that provide them with private access to plots if they want private access to plots.  Or they need to put up with public gardens where members of the public might not acknowledge their unsupportable claim to ownership.  

    In fact, I'm pretty sure if no one was dropping guano on public plots and then hoping to be the only one around when the crop or herb reaches maturity, no one would hang around hoping to beat them to it.  

    I find both sides equally rude.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you have planted, watered, and fertilized....that is "Your" plot.  For the allotted time.  All may plant, all may harvest.  Yes, if they're free.   The only thing missing, bottom line, is punishment.  It's easy to be selfish and a miscreant when you don't care.   I'm very curious to know if Rands ethics have something to do with the development of the game.
    Posted 12 months ago by Mr. Miskatonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Except for the fact that it's still not their plot and insisting otherwise doesn't change the mechanic.  

    Again, if no one was claiming plots to the exclusion of others, no one would hang around looking to grab their herbs.  They might not even be hanging around and just making perfectly legit runs through herb gardens like Crashtestpilot mentioned above.  

    Oh man, sometimes, I wish they actually would make it possible to stake a claim so we can get a new round of forum posts whining that someone has claimed all the public plots and there's never more than a few to spare.  

    In sum, if you plant, water, and fertilize a public plot, it is indeed just as public as it was before.  The behavior that needs to change is planting, watering, and fertilizing public plots while yelling at any who treat them as public.  

    It really is that simple.  You're not entitled to the harvest, so if you don't want to lose the seeds and guano, don't plant them there.  

    Anything beyond that is an overblown sense of entitlement and a weak appeal to authority when things aren't going "your way."  

    Authority has been appealed to.  Authority says "there are private plots in the game, these aren't them."  End.  Of.  Story.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Interestingly, I just got the following quest:

    Surprise a friend by planting three Herb Seeds in their garden (you'll need a key for their House), or [for] a stranger by planting three herbs in a Community Herb Garden. Spread the love, herbally speaking.

    It sounds like they're encouraging two things:
    - Plot sharing
    - Using the community gardens in a way that actually matches the spirit of, "Plant for everyone, Harvest what you need."
    Posted 12 months ago by Pomegrandy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually, if you'd stop to think about both positions, you would find that demanding ownership of a public plot is just as in line with Rand's egoism as is grabbing from other plots.  This is the "problem of the commons" because each group is working exclusively for its own self-interest, not because one group is while the other is not.   And in my mind, neither interest is greater than the other, and both those that plant with expectations of ownership and those that harvest without planting are out of line.  With the number of mechanisms in the game that encourage sharing and cooperation, I find it odd to say the least that this one incident makes you think stoot must be a Randite.  If anything, Tiny Speck's insistence that those that plant do not own the herbs and should be aware they are planting for public consumption indicates the most anti-Randite position, when it comes to community gardens at least, that I can imagine.  
    They are telling you that you cannot claim public space for your own self-interest.  

    What would be truly inspiring is if people just used them the way they are intended to be used, for the benefit of anyone who walks by, and cease claiming that their product and time gives their self-interest more priority than another.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • In Complete agreement with everything Saucelah has posted! Goodness, this whining is getting ridiculous since Everyone has the ability to purchase a bog house. Hubby and I take turns planting in his and he enjoys access to my crop house. We also have other family and rl friends playing and we share our resources.

    I'm sad to say that the pathetic whiners are, by their constant Whining, bringing out the worst in otherwise very nice people. Some of us want to see the community lots go Exactly like the signs state. Too lazy to get a bog house...well Sorry, you do Not own the comm. garden plots.
    Posted 12 months ago by XanderB Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Saucelah, I think I love you.
    Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Rev, I love Sauce More :D
    Posted 12 months ago by XanderB Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There are three quests for croppery skills.  The instructions for these quests read as follows:

    A Beltful of Onions: Plant and Harvest 50 Onions from your Garden or from a Community Garden. Important: You'll need to buy a private location to get your own Garden. You'll also need a Watering Can, a Hoe, and some Onion Seeds. 

    Tater Pimp: Grow 50 Potatoes and 50 Tomatoes, then sell them at an Auction. You will, of course, need your own Garden or a Community Garden for all this growing. For your own Garden, you'll have to own a House.

    Crops a-Plenty: Plant and harvest at least one of each of the 13 Crops in your Garden or a Community Garden. Important: You'll need to buy a private location to get your own Garden.

    Is the use of a Community Garden to plant and harvest for these quests appropriate?
    Posted 12 months ago by Splendora Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I find it more interesting at least that the use of these at least has brought out who cares more about game rules and less about any sort of community attitudes or generosity.

    As for Audaria, she apparently still can not be bothered to use logic.  Which means I am not bothered enough to reply to the tripe.

    At the very least, there are people out there willing to be kind enough to others in this community, which is good.  I would advise anyone using the C. gardens though, to simply stop using them.  They are more trouble than they are worth, and I almost feel like TS did implement them as a social experiment.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I went for a nose around the community gardens when the Herb quests popped up in my log. I wasn't sure how they worked, so was glad to see signs displaying a simple maxim that made it clear what to expect. I might plant something in them to be sociable in the same way I often carry around desserts to give to people randomly. But I know not to rely on them for filling out my quest log.
    Posted 12 months ago by Anaglyph Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Splendora:

    It is perfectly appropriate to use the Community Gardens.  Notice that none of the quests (crops or herbs) say "plant and harvest from a single plot".

    You could plant all 13 types of seeds, and immediately harvest 13 types of crops that someone else had planted.  Or you could harvest 13 types of crops first, and then plant 13 types of seeds.

    It doesn't matter what order you do them in and it doesn't matter if you owned the seeds from the crops you harvested.    The quests can be done in Community Gardens as they currently function.
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The devs have changed the signs!
    Posted 12 months ago by feifei Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For the theorists amongst us:
    www.newscientist.com/articl...

    Or, the strategies we employ  at the Community Garden Buffet
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kirnan: "As for Audaria, she apparently still can not be bothered to use logic. Which means I am not bothered enough to reply to the tripe."

    LOL! Apparently you cannot read, much less follow logic. As is usually the case when someone is outargued, you have no response!
    Posted 12 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If there's something to ask for to resolve this tension, it's more community garden space.
    Posted 12 months ago by ruptures Subscriber! | Permalink
  • feifei

    Checking the gardens, I see two signs:

    Free to plant, free to take.
    and
    All may plant, all may harvest

    I don't believe those have changed.
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "The devs have changed the signs!"

    Where, exactly? I've been to two gardens today and the signs are the same, you've just put out some extra notes.
    Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I visited the Chakra Phool Herb Gardens the signs now say:

    "Plant for everyone, Harvest what you need"
     and
    "Share these plots, Share their bounty"
    Posted 12 months ago by feifei Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Flame-baiting is such an awful thing, and yet I find myself taking it anyway.

     Should you decided to exercise your " freedom to blacklist (me) and ensure others do not help (me)" you will again be in violation of the guidelines, even by your own definition: ("Community guidelines specifically say that you can not gang up on and harass players.")

    Incidentally, you are right about guidelines, they do say you can not gang up and harass players, however, a bunch of people ignoring one person is not ganging up, nor is it harassing.  There has to be something these players would say to that particular player to create harassment.  Which, there is not.  Your argument is invalid, therefore, your logic is flawed.

    If you need an example, a while back there was a certain spammer on Global.  All these players agreed she was spamming, were unhappy about it, and proceeded to block her (most blocked, all wanted to ignore).  By your argument, that is harassment.  By the guidelines, it is acceptable.

    I don't expect you to respond with anything good though, as you will likely ignore everything I say and throw in some nonsense about I am wrong purely because the guidelines say so, despite the rules doing no such thing.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @feifei, those ones have always said that.
    Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually, you would still be in violation of the guidelines if you silently harass the player.  

    Ignoring someone is fine.  Getting other players to gang up on another player, even if they never say a word to the other player, is still harassment.  
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow is this topic still going? I am unhappy about what is going on in the community gardens as well, but TS has decided to say it is ok for thieves be what they are and do what they do. Sad? sure is. However, we all have a choice. You can continue to plant in those gardens and risk the seeds, guano, time, or you can just not plant there. You can also chose to buy a bog house.

    I have chosen not to plant there and I have chosen not to get a bog house either. I enjoy my 50k house way too much and also I have way too much stuff to move. I have the quests that relate to herbs but guess they will be sitting in my quest log unfinished.

    I am hoping when the new housing changes come around that we can have both herb and veggie if we so chose. So right now I am sitting on the fence thinking, "wait and see" before I think about going back to a subscription.
    Posted 12 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No, TS has decided that anything planted in public belongs to the public so there are no thieves.   They have decided that it is a place to harvest what you need and plant what you can.  They have decided not to elevate the self-interest of those who believe they can own a public space above the self-interest of those that do not respect this imaginary ownership.  

    You can choose the biased negative view that TS has abandoned you by not elevating your self-interest.  Or you can accept that temporary ownership of plots was never their intent and they don't find that behavior any more acceptable than any other form of griefing.  

    I find the latter makes much more sense and is much more pleasant.  But then, I don't expect my self-interest to be elevated above that of others.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think staff was trying to do something nice by adding the community gardens, and didn't think them through enough.  The number of testers was much smaller then, and we were generally much more friendly, and didn't steal from each other too often.  Now that herb theft is a widespread problem, the signs are up mainly to warn people that staff won't be helping anyone whose herbs are taken. 

    My best suggestion is to completely avoid the community gardens if you want or need to harvest the herbs you plant.  Similarly, don't invite anyone into your house unless it's completely devoid of items, including plants and animals.  Staff will not arrange for a return of your stolen items or replace your poisoned trees.
    Posted 12 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "don't invite anyone into your house unless it's completely devoid of items..."

    Personally I invite anyone into my house that I feel I know well enough to predict whether or not they will steal my items.

    If I'm wrong, then I don't ever invite them again.

    But I also look at "items" as pixels and am not upset of some of them go away.  
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree with Tihgie completely.

    f a person is standing over a plot, ingame and clearly waiting to harvest, for that time that plot and whatever is produced there should be considered that person's. Basically, if you are instigating a click race, you are a griefer. You are disrupting another players progress and profitting from something you did not work for. There's no excuse or reasoning to hide behind. Just because you have the ability doesn't give you the right. If you are old enough to be playing this game then you should be mature enough to know this.There shouldn't need to be any set rule.I think the whole point of the community gardens was to give players the ability to complete quest and harvest things not available in their own houses. It wasn't for the greedy and the lazy to have free pickings.The fact that it's just a game and pixels is irrelevant. It's never a good feeling to have things that you have worked for and put time into stolen. Having the ability to hide behind a character in a game doesn't make you any less of a cheater or thief; especially in a game like this where such a thing is not expected or accepted (by most).I think the majority of Glitchens are nice and more than willing to help in anyway possible. It's really sad to see that there are still a few who choose to use weak excuses, and defend actions that are clearly wrong instead of trying to help stop them. I only hope the coming housing upgrades will help calm things down. It's really sickening to see such an uproar over something that should be solved with just common sense and decency.

    :: nods along ::
    Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kirnan, this is a direct quote of what you said: "Although in a perfect world I would say helping others would be a way of stopping their bad habits, this is idealistic, and pointless. Punishment works better, and it is far better to find ways to punish them for their behavior. Eventually, if enough people do so, they lose enjoyment in the game and either stop playing, or stop playing the way they have been.

    Personally, I plan on blacklisting people myself and in the future, following them to figure out what they do with their time. It is perfectly easy to friend anyone, as it is. I just wish we could colorcode our friends lists for better controls of identifying people on there."

    Again, YOU SAID, "punishment works better" and "if enough people do so, they lose enjoyment of the game..." and "I plan on...following them..." This in NO WAY jives with the Community Guidelines. NOT MY interpretation of the Guidelines. You are the one attempting to interpret them. I simply quoted them. Since you seem to be having a hard time understanding, or perhaps finding them, I'll quote them again for you:

    "Act with Respect toward others

    •No griefing or harassing other players. It’s not fun, or funny. Really. If you are in the game for the purpose of pissing other people off, you can’t play.

    Make Glitch a Welcoming Place

    •Public areas are public, so treat them as a shared resource.

    •Vigilante action against players who are, in your opinion, playing “incorrectly” can be griefing too and it is not allowed. If you see abuse in the game, you should report it. But calling out another player in the forums or public channels and organizing people to bully them is itself a kind of harassment and will be moderated as such."

    Now, I know you think I am wrong, and I just spouted "more nonsense" about the Community Guidelines, but the fact is, I quoted the Community Guidelines directly. I did not paraphrase. So, either I am correct, or you believe the Community Guidelines to be wrong. I did not "ignore everything you said" but rather addressed it directly. My argument is not invalid and my logic is not flawed. And by the way, flawed logic can invalidate an argument, but it doesn't work the other way around.
    Posted 12 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And in no way do I support "a click war." I never said I do. What I said was, I go to the community gardens often and do whatever needs to be done. If there is something available for harvest, and occasionally there is, I harvest it. I don't feel that this is stealing, any more than I consider the people who harvest what I plant there to be thieves. I give a little, I take a little and I don't stress out over it.

    What I DO have a problem with, is the idea of someone "blacklisting" a player and following them around for the purpose of griefing them! And if anyone here doesn't have problem with that, imagine for one moment that YOU are the one being followed!
    Posted 12 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I planted quite a few free herbs this week. Before I left, I mentioned to some of the people hanging around that they were free herbs .  Suppose some of those people decide to camp over those plots?  Does that mean that anyone who comes around should respect the fact that they are camped there?  That wasn't what I intended when I planted them.   How does anyone know if you are camping over something that *belongs* to you anyway?    

    I maintain that once you drop the seed into the community garden it no longer belongs to you.
    Posted 12 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i didn't read all 4 pages here but I'm curious....is there anyone else who goes there just to plant? 

    I don't really use herbs much (all this drama turned me off of the skill set) but I keep picking up a few herbs or seeds here and there.  So, I periodically swing through the gardens to plant them.  Anyone else just planting?
    Posted 12 months ago by Feylin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Miso George:  

    From the community guidelines: "public places are public, so treat them as a shared resource"

    Treating public places as something that temporarily belongs to you is not treating them as a shared resource, and therefore, not acceptable behavior.  Calling someone a thief for treating the resource as shared is rude and inappropriate.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Feylin, I used to do that before herbs got all exciting - since I'd invariably pick up seeds while in AL, I'd swing by the gardens, pop them into plots and  leave them for whoever wanted them. I'd still do that if I could find empty plots! but it's been a long time since I've seen an empty or un-camped plot.
    Posted 12 months ago by Snowpea Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've done a bit of "just planting" lately. Trying to keep the community spirit going! :D It's pretty fun, so I think I'll make it more of a regular occurrence.

    There usually aren't too many open plots though. If anything, making the community gardens larger, or simply increasing the number of them, would be a good thing and could help more people.
    Posted 12 months ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  •  Calling someone a thief for treating the resource as shared is rude and inappropriate.  Well taking what is not yours is also rude and inappropriate... it is called a thief. You can flower it any way you would like but taking what is not yours is thievery, pure and simple.
    Posted 12 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Feylin:  yes, lots of people.  They are probably just less likely to be in this thread complaining about the system.  

    There is also a quest for everyone with herbalism III that requires you to go and plant three herbs in either the community gardens or a friends herb garden.    It doesn't say anything about planting in your own garden or harvesting.
    Posted 12 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink