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Learning skill speed...

I am trying to learn Tinkering IV now. Problem is, the original time for the skill to finish is 1 day & 12 hours. All 3 shrines related to Tinkering tells me that I am already learning as fast as I can. Estimated time to complete is 1 day and 9 hours left.

Please help me, somebody?

Posted 18 months ago by Serenadier Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • From what I understand, you can only speed up learning by up to 50% of the original learning time. You have to wait out the rest. Stoot calls it "maximum benefit" or something. :P
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Original learning time: 1 day 12 hours
    Current learning time: 1 day 9 hours (no shrine donations to speed up, yet)

    I'm not allowed to speed the skill up through any shrine. And I've barely made it halfway through the 50%.
    Posted 18 months ago by Serenadier Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hmmm. Yeah, I'm stumped. Maybe it has something to do with donating to the three primary giants associated with the skill you're trying to learn? Lemme go find what stoot said...

    Wait, you posted in that thread so I assume you've already read it. It seems like something may be buggy in the game... :/
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I had same exact problem, Serenadier, with same skill. I started it last test and did some speed learning (3 hours only). After 3 hours passed I switched to BL V just before the test ended so I would finish BL V, which I did (YAY). When I came back today and started up Tink IV  back up it said I was still speed learning. I tried to donate to continue reducing time, but it wouldn't take.

    I think that the problem was that I stopped Tink IV and switched, and once you do that you can never do any more reduction of time. I think that we must stay on same skill to continue spending favor to reduce the time. But maybe there is a bug, if you are having the same problem.

    Very confuzzling!
    Posted 18 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nope, that isn't true - you can switch back to the skill you were learning previously & speed that up too. 

    Maybe there is a bug for Tinkering IV... other skills work perfectly fine.
    Posted 18 months ago by Serenadier Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, now it's happening for Animal Kinship VI too. Just started the skill & it's not letting me speed up the skill. What on earth is going on... ANYBODY? );
    Posted 18 months ago by Serenadier Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Stated Teleportation V and I could only speed up one day out of 13! That is not how it is supposed to work. :(
    Posted 18 months ago by 1padme Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Maybe a dev can clarify this one, but I'm rather sure (most of) it's because of pausing after increasing the speed.  I tested this out last night -- I started a new skill (Animal Husbandry), sped it up, then went to a new shrine to verify that more speed increases were available.  Then I paused it to start a different skill and started it up again about a second later.  At that time, I couldn't speed it up any more, even though I could have before I paused it.
    Posted 18 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • In hopes that a dev might see this... hopefully. Stuck with all my skills being unable to be sped up ):
    Posted 18 months ago by Serenadier Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I got bit by this change too. Unless it is some sort of bug, then it would be helpful if the warning on the skill page is changed from "Whoa! You're learning super fast. Keep in mind, if you switch skills, you'll lose super speed" to:

     "Whoa! You're learning super fast to reduce the time to learn this skill. Keep in mind, if you switch skills, you will not be able to reduce any more learning time when you go back to this skill." Or something like that.
    Posted 18 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've also been hit by this change. I'd really be interested in the thinking behind it as I can't fathom the purpose.
    Posted 18 months ago by Catari Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I reported this complaint to Hitherto in game, and did not get a response. Hope they consider it! Along with the hot tubs! LOL
    Posted 18 months ago by 1padme Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I imagine that these are working as intended since we all got through the skills so quickly which is bad news for Glitch's ability to make money once we are out of beta.

    However I would rather have the skill times increased up front rather than lose the ability to make a mistake when choosing skills. We already face dying too many ways. This is one final level of tension that simply makes the game not fun.

    I hope the Devs find a more elegant solution rather than penalizing those who need to be able to change their minds after speeding up a skill.
    Posted 18 months ago by Dandilion Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm learning Telepotation 5 and can't get a boost which is much more than 2.5 hours, I can't seem to get the  "you're learning as fast as you can" message, even if I donate big amounts to  several more than my main 3 giants. 
    Posted 18 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Okay, so I'm not crazy! I had been having this problem too! 

    And I'm still really confused because every time I "speed up" a skill, it takes away a chunk of time. It doesn't create a double-time the way the Small Enlightenment buff does, and count seconds by twos for a minute and a half. So which is the right way?
    Posted 18 months ago by Folderol Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow teleportation V shows as 6 days and 19 hours how could it be 9 days for 1padme?  That sounds like everybody has different learning times.   

    Spooky what if unlearnig takes years to wipe out our minds 

    Maybe the Better Learning skills are the key to all of this,  it has taken me since last sunday to this sunday to do BL 5, plus I have donated so much to the shrines I feel like an indentured servant.
    Posted 18 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • After a certain point (which gets higher with each BL), each time you learn a skill, it takes all the unlearned skills longer to learn.
    Posted 18 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @shexycorin- i'm totally confused by this. you get MORE better learning and it takes the unlearned skills longer to learn?

    ok, actually the whole thing confuses me:

    -with each skill i learn, each new skill takes longer to acquire.
    -with each favor point i get, i can speed up learning.
    -at some point, i cannot speed up learning any further. does this happen by amount of favor points i've spent? or by time cut into the learning time that i've already reached?
    -on the skill tree it will say "Giant A is the best for this skill, and B and C are secondary," but at Shrine A, Shrine B and Shrine C they will all say "this is the best giant for learning this skill!" So which is it? If B & C tell me they're the best, should I believe them?
    -what is the best way to actually speed up learning? by donating almost 1k of favor to primary giants each day? spread out over primary and secondary giants and spending it immediately?
    -does it matter if you spend the favor as you accumulate it or should you spend in one large chunk?
    -shrine powder- I'm just not convinced: threw in a gnome today and didn't really get much appreciable benefit after the shrine powder. is this a proven brown nosing technique?

    signed,
    an overachiever.
    Posted 18 months ago by greenkozi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Green:

    Not quite -- let's call the system that makes skills take longer the Embiggening System.  The ES means that when you learn a new skill, the other skills you haven't learned yet will take longer.  With Better Learning, the Embiggening System doesn't kick in as early.  You get to learn more skills before the ES starts penalizing you.  Make more sense?

    -Yes, after the first X number, where X is determined by your Better Learning level.
    -Yes, to a point.
    -At 50%, kind of.  The only way to make it actually 50% is if you spend your first favor points exactly when you start learning the skill and never let the rock stop turning the pages at double-speed.  Otherwise, the most you can remove is 50% of the time you have left on the skill.
    -From what I've seen, regular giants give you X amount of time per point, and giants A B and C all give you 2X per point.  No idea if that will continue or if A will start giving more (3X?).
    -I would say start with the primaries, then use secondaries if there's still time you can remove. 
    -I don't think so.  I try to spend mine in smaller chunks so that I might someday maybe stop getting accidental emblems.
    -Make sure you're using the Extremely Hallowed Shrine Powder.  That gives 3 times the normal favor, regular powder gives 2 times the normal.  It works best with the high end gems in my experience.
    Posted 18 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I am trying to learn Tinkering IV now. Problem is, the original time for the skill to finish is 1 day & 12 hours. All 3 shrines related to Tinkering tells me that I am already learning as fast as I can. Estimated time to complete is 1 day and 9 hours left.
    Please help me, somebody?"
    Posted 2 days ago by Serenadier

    It seems to me that what 1padme, Serenadier and I experienced is a bug. Shortly after the last test began I experienced what was reported above. I decided to leave Tink IV (1d,20h) and run it when the test ended.

    I switched to BM (16h) and finished that skill. I then moved to Gard IV (1d,5h) and spent favor to reduce it about 3 hours. The rock stopped learning "as fast I can can" after the 3 hours and I let him learn at normal speed for the duration of the test with16h,19m left. There was no message on the profile page about switching skills (unlike the Tink IV message).

    At the end of the test I switched back to Tink IV and sure enough it still showed super fast learning with the warning message on my skill page---I checked again at a shrine and message was the same (cannot add more favor). While at shrine I switched to Gard IV to double check the message----yes, I can add favor. I closed the test running Tink IV, with the rock still learning super fast.

    I hope I have explained this so that the devs can look into it.

    @ Magic Monkey: Thank you for the information. I love your term "Embiggening System". The whole learning time/favor/spending at primary giants, etc is complicated and you helped clear up a lot of questions. The thread got a little off the OP topic, but the discussion is still very useful.
     
    Posted 18 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Not sure if what you guys are seeing is a bug or a change. I was talking about this thread with my husband over breakfast (since I no longer have a way to test this stuff) and he seems to remember the skill-hopping to reduce things working - but he said he may have already reduced stuff as far as it would go before pausing.

    Hopefully a dev will come along and clear up the question about skill pausing being changed or if it was a bug.
    Posted 18 months ago by Travinara Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I got the same problem with tinkering 5 and with better learning 5, so I am hoping it is a bug, as both are so long to learn. i am sure i started one skill and stopped to start another and was able to quicken it when i started skill again so fingers crossed it is a bug.
    Posted 18 months ago by gill288 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks, Trav.((hugs))  I think it is a bug because when I switched from Gard IV after reducing only three hours and later went back to it, I could continue using favor to reduce learning time, unlike Tink IV.  Neither Serendier, 1pad or me had reached the 50% max so that wasn't the problem. sigh. I know it will be sorted out one way or the other when the devs check it out.
    Posted 18 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't know how the skill switching works, but I'll speak to my experience without skill switching, with BL5 and with playing down a really long skill this weekend.

    I started to learn TPV as soon as the test opened, an 11 day and some odd hours skill time for me (I have all the other skills).  I immediately went to the primary shrine for that skill and got it up to 999 and spent it on learning.  I got a 2hr and change speed time.  I went to the other two shrines associated with that skill, spent 999 and got 2 hours and change speed time.

    Then, I spent 999 at every other shrine for a 1 hour and change speed time (so, yes, the giants not associated with a skill give you half-time compared to the ones associated with the skill).

    At the start of the new game day,when I could donate again to the shrines to get favor, I repeated the process.  This continued through the entire testing period.  At the end of the test period, the skill time was at 4 days and some change to learn.

    11 days - 3 days testing = 8 days left if I had not done the favor dance.
    11 days - 3 days testing - 4 days taken off for speed reduction = 4 days left having done the favor dance.
    Posted 18 months ago by zeeberk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So it seems it would be better to learn the longer skills first so less time is attached to the shorter skills, or does it all end up costing the same amount of time no matter what?  Confusing at best.

    I thought when you donate it takes actual time off to learn that skill, and the rock turning pages just meant drink a sunrise or go donate something else to lower the learning time even more. 
    Posted 18 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • well, the longer learning skills typically depend on skills that take less time to learn.

    also, how long a skill takes to learn is directly related to how many skills you already have and what BL skills you have.

    what is best is to determine which 'track' makes the most sense for you to learn, based on your interests (like college!) and go down that track, pausing to get some BL skills in there early on.  
    Posted 18 months ago by zeeberk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually, the way the system works right now, the best thing you can do to learn quickly is learn nothing until you run out.  I know that makes no sense yet, but do not worry little Glitchlings, I will explain!

    What you do is pause your skills when there's less than a minute left.  I've tested this on a few different skills now paused at various times.  The Embiggening System always adds to the time you have remaining on a skill.  If you've got 20 skills paused with 5 seconds left on them, they might get to 10 or 15 seconds when you've learned the others.

    With this system, you will also spend a very long time without your skills, though.  It's up to the individual as to whether or not the trade off is worth it.
    Posted 18 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Magic Monkey, has anyone actually confirmed this? OR does the system say, "Oh, you have now learned 30 skills, so the next skill should take 3 days... Mmmm... You've paused after 7 hours 59 minutes.... which, if you hadn't learned ANY SKILLS, would mean you only had one minute left. Too part. Because I'm going to now add 2 days 16 hours and 1 minute."? (This is seems like what the system SHOULD do.)
    Posted 18 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lord Bacon-o, check out this thread: http://beta.glitch.com/forum/general/3924/. Stoot has something to say on the matter. I think that basically it adds time depending on the time remaining, not for the base total of time. 
    Posted 18 months ago by Folderol Subscriber! | Permalink