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All may plant, all may harvest

Can the sign be taken down please?
I was in the herb gardens today, planting all of my seeds. Then someone just walked right up to the plots I was standing over and took all my herbs, when I asked for my herbs back, she responded with,"free to plant, free to take." Then, she teleported.

Can the signs PLEASE, be taken down? I just have lost all of my herbs and this might continue to be a problem.

Posted 12 months ago by feifei Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • It belongs to the public.  Therefore it belongs to everyone.  Therefore no one can steal it.  Calling someone a thief for using a public resource is the equivalent of accusing someone of shoplifting for utilizing the "take a penny" aspect of that little tray at a gas station.  It's absolutely absurd, in fact.  

    It really is that simple.  If you do not want the results of your labors to belong to everyone, do not labor in a public space.  If you do labor in a public space, you do not have the right to declare ownership for any length of time no matter how long.  

    There is nothing that can be stolen from public resources.  And the Community Guidelines clearly state you do not have the right to treat it as anything other than shared.  This should not be difficult to grasp.  Your self-interest does not get priority simply because you think public should mean something other than public or shared.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Glad to know there are other "Just Planters" out there! :)  

    I normally stay out of these threads, but wanted to see who else was up to this.  Happy Glitching.
    Posted 12 months ago by Feylin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @WindBorn - You make a good point. I don't think it occurred to me, though, when I got the crops quests that I could harvest anything other than what I planted myself, so it might be helpful for the quest instructions to include that info as a tip.

    I do think ideas about what is and is not appropriate in the community gardens have changed. Before the new herb skills were introduced, I recall people with crop quests and no crop gardens being advised by experienced players to go to the community gardens armed with guano and to stand by their crops until they were ready to harvest -- and no one objected to this as an inappropriate use of the community gardens.  This was, of course, before the current signs were put in place.

    Sometimes what's appropriate changes with scale of use.  It is somewhat similar (though not really analogous) to using public transit. When the tram is uncrowded and there are many free seats, no one minds if you put your shopping on the empty seat next to you. However, when the tram becomes crowded, it's inappropriate to do this.
    Posted 12 months ago by Splendora Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Act with Respect toward others
    Ignoring someone is not respecting them or disrespecting them

    •No griefing or harassing other players. It’s not fun, or funny. Really. If you are in the game for the purpose of pissing other people off, you can’t play.
    Ignoring someone or having other people ignore a person because they like to grief is making use of the block feature.

    Make Glitch a Welcoming Place
    Glitch should be welcoming, until you decide to make it your own personal griefing playground (this goes above simple problems in the herb gardens, too)

    •Public areas are public, so treat them as a shared resource.•Vigilante action against players who are, in your opinion, playing “incorrectly” can be griefing too and it is not allowed. If you see abuse in the game, you should report it. But calling out another player in the forums or public channels and organizing people to bully them is itself a kind of harassment and will be moderated as such."

    Vigilante Action would have to be something such as harassment or actively denying a player resources, or actually bullying them.  Ignoring them is no different than the block feature.  Staying away from them is no different than the block feature.

    As an aside, my following them is only going to be harassment if I engage them in conversation, stay near them and use actions on them, try to steal their resources, or anything else that sounds like what I just said.  Observation is not harassment.  Nor would I bother to follow them for that long anyway, just long enough to see if their griefing extends beyond what I initially observed.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you're not going to do anything, why waste your time following them at all?  

    I think you're getting way too worked up and alienating those that might agree with you.  You're certainly proving to me that Tiny Speck made a good decision when they put "public places are public, so treat them as a shared resource" into the community guidelines.  

    Public spaces are public.  Treat them that way, and you'll find you have less to be upset about and will find enjoyable things to do in game.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I was staying out of the community gardens mainly because I didn't want to encounter the behaviour I read about here in the forums. But in the last couple of days, I made a point to travel to every one of them to tend and plant in them. And it was a fairly frustrating experience.

    Not because of any rudeness of players. It was because it was really hard to find open plots. Today, in all six gardens, I planted 5 herbs and 4 crops. It was also difficult to find anything that was ready to harvest. I saw 2 crop plots and 4 herb plots in the last 2 days that were ready to harvest.

    I think the idea of community gardens is a wonderful one and I appreciate the way TS has set them up - as a completely public resource. But at the same time, I have to say that people who try to use them in order to actually get some harvests are probably having quite a frustrating time doing so (and I'm very sympathetic to them on this score).

    One thing that isn't being talked about enough, that would likely help a lot, would be if there were simply more community gardens - and ones that are significantly larger. It's unbelieveable how small the herb gardens are, especially considering how long the growing period is. Even the larger crop CGs are insufficient (although crops are easily available at produce vendors, which must help somewhat).

    TL;DR: More and larger community gardens would help alleviate many problems.
    Posted 12 months ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sauce, understand that I am not having a problem with the gardens being community spaces.  I like that.  I dislike that it is an open breeding ground for thieves.  At the very least, I have not experienced it that way yet myself, but as I have access to a friend's boghouse, the point is moot for myself.  Nonetheless, griefing takes a lot of forms.  Why should we as a community just be ok with it?  Griefers like to do what they do because they enjoy other people's misery.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Also, Flowery pot, you are right, there do need to be larger gardens, and likely more of them too!
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Ignoring someone is not respecting them or disrespecting them"

    True, but you also said you plan to follow them.

    "Ignoring someone or having other people ignore a person because they like to grief is making use of the block feature."

    To this, I just repost the quote from the Community Guidelines and emphasize the point about ORGANIZING OTHERS. "Vigilante action against players who are, in your opinion, playing “incorrectly” can be griefing too and it is not allowed. If you see abuse in the game, you should report it. But calling out another player in the forums or public channels and ORTANIZING PEOPLE TO BULLY THEM is itself a kind of harassment and will be moderated as such."

    And now, I exercise my right to ignore you. Peace out.
    Posted 12 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Some people can not read....seriously.  For anyone else reading this, since she will no longer see these posts (thank god), I hope none of you seriously think blocking someone and advising your friends to block them is bullying them.  Ugh.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There are other options.
    Community Gardens are not the only way to grow herbs.  Borrow my house for a couple of days or rent one from someone else (lots of folks are offering).    Be creative in solving your problems and please stop trying to tell others how to play or who to block, Kirnan.  We are responsible for our own kindness, not for enforcing kindness in others.
    Posted 12 months ago by Sloppy Ketchup Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kirnan, you have been advocating far more than blocking.

    Personally, I plan on blacklisting people myself and in the future, following them to figure out what they do with their time. 

     Punishment works better, and it is far better to find ways to punish them for their behavior.  Eventually, if enough people do so, they lose enjoyment in the game and either stop playing, or stop playing the way they have been.

    I have my freedom to blacklist you and ensure others do not help you.  

    As has been said several times, this is creepy behavior, to say the least and possibly a violation of the Community Guidelines, especially when you start organizing other players to ensure that the people on your blacklist 'stop playing the way they have been'.  

    What you are advocating is a lot more than blocking.
    Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Is there anyway to learn magic so you can shoot fireballs at a thief? This game is kind of like a more complicated FarmVille from what I've seen. FarmVille on steroids.
    Posted 12 months ago by pablo diablo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think some of you are misinterpreting what I meant by punishment and blocking.  If someone is griefing, I really believe they should not have others being friends with them and promoting their behavior.  If I catch someone making someone else's life in the game miserable, I am going to not only block them, but tell my friends about them and advise them to block the person as well.  That to me, is punishment, because it lessens the amount of people paying attention to the griefer.  

    So you can say I am advocating more than blocking, but that would be wrong on your part, and I get why you think so anyway, because I used the word "blacklist".  It is understandable that blacklist carries heavy connotations through its other uses not only in history, but in society today.  But seriously, get off the word and understand why I am using it, because it is a term I prefer.

    Also, your uses of creepy, actually strikes me as creepy.  I have always noticed that when people do things that others dislike, the use of that word is a good way of creating support against that person.  Yet, why would you bother wanting to attack me in the first place when anything I do has nothing to do with your gameplay.  Unless of course, you like griefers and want to see them promoted to some positions of fame in the community?  Remember the guy that said he was going to rape a bunch of characters in the gardens?  THAT is creepy.

    I swear, some of you will do anything to fight another person when you perceive their actions completely wrong, as a few of you have done again and again.

    Blocking, it is my right, and it is my right to advise friends to do as well.  I have no right to spout off anything in Global, and will never do so, nor will I tell random people on the street.  Just deal with the fact that others can use the block function, and move on.

    As for my following anyone, it isn't like I have done so at all yet anyway, and unless I see someone being horrendous to another Glitch, I am not likely to be doing so anytime soon.  If I want to observe a griefer though, it is also within my rights to be on the same street as them, provided I am not harassing.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • " Sauce, understand that I am not having a problem with the gardens being community spaces.  I like that.  I dislike that it is an open breeding ground for thieves."  

    The fact that you think there can be thieves means you are still having trouble grasping that no one can claim to own a public resource.  Therefore, I don't think you are ok with the gardens being community spaces.  You still seem to think it is ok for someone to choose to camp them and that everyone else must therefore acknowledge their ownership, however temporary, or be branded a thief.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Punishment works better, and it is far better to find ways to punish them for their behavior.  Eventually, if enough people do so, they lose enjoyment in the game and either stop playing, or stop playing the way they have been.

    So, if I read this right. You advise towards making someone's experience in a game so horrible that they either conform to your definition of the 'right way' to play, or they leave.

    Seems like that's some of the things people did to me growing up. We call it bullying. It's wrong. What you do, personally, is your prerogative. But trying to organise others into doing the same thing? You are rising up against a player. You are becoming no better than them in their supposed 'griefing'.
    Posted 12 months ago by Saiai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I noticed that the signs had changed either early this morning or late last night -- can't remember the exact time.  

    Now that I have Herbalism 3, I'm getting a much better yield on herbs, so I wanted to give a little bit back to the community after all the stress and drama that has been going on.  I went to the Chakra Phool Community garden, and all the plots were full (there were various people standing around, but nobody responded on local chat, so it's possible everyone was AFK while waiting for their herbs to grow.)  

    I scattered a Startling Fecundity powder in the piggy pen (and let ppl know in local), and handed all the people there a Rubeweed seed.  

    Figured it was the least I could do to make life more pleasant for a few Glitchen :)
    Posted 12 months ago by Ashbet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Salai, let me ask you a question.  Were you a bully to other people when you grew up?  Is that why people were mean to you?  That would be the only way this scenario is comparable.  So let me give you an analogy in RL.

    Let us say there is a boy or girl bullying people, by beating them up after school or just generally taunting others.  Now let's say you tell your friends about this bully who has taken aggression out on multiple people.  All of you stop talking to the person, you ignore this person, and finally you all do your best to pretend this person does not exist.  When bullies cease to get a reaction, they are essentially punished for their behavior, as they have no one left to get a reaction out of.

    Are you in a sense bullying the bully?  Yeah, a bit.  But indirectly.  Whereas true bullies get their enjoyment out of torture, our reactions to them are not for fun, but rather to avoid having to deal with said torture.

    So in short, Salai, no, you did not read it right.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kirnan, have you noticed at all that you are getting on quite a few people's nerves? Your tactics that you are spewing sound more like those of 10-13 yr. old kids that aren't supposed to play this game to begin with. It is really rather amusing, but by the time you finally slink away from this thread you will be on ignore by quite few people.

    I never go near the community gardens but I do follow this thread and have found Your posts quite offensive and I actually believe your posting your ideas of pushing people out of the game just might cause some to do what you hate just because you are posting obnoxious ideas for behavior with your sad threats of "stalking" people and "blacklisting them". Imho, you might end up more friendless than the so called griefers lol.

    Have fun honey :)
    Posted 12 months ago by Anya Karenya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For those who continue to try to educate Kirnan - thank you. I am not the one who cannot read. I post direct quotes and am accused of being illiterate. My arguments were based on logic, something that clearly escapes him/her. But, I will continue to ignore that poster. I never said I was going to ignore the thread. Again, who can't read?

    Sloppy, Windborn, Saucelah, and Salai your comments are intelligent and on point. (As were others earlier in the thread.) I agree with all of you.
    Posted 12 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kirnan has some points that are valid.
    In some cases, there's overstatement, but the general idea of blocking griefers is a good one.
    Now let's all have some gosh-darned cocoa!
    The hand-wringing is getting deafening.
    Posted 12 months ago by CrashTestPilot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am not really afraid of getting on the wrong people's nerves.  People who care more about themselves and causing grief to others are not the people I mingle with.  If they block me, all the better, as I won't have to deal with the meaner people that populate this game.  I have people on my list that are good people and they care about others, and I like it that way.

    Your direct quote, audaria, were refuted, as none of my blacklisting violates them.  You just feel like they do, because you want them to.  But as long as the block command exists, I am within rights to use it, and persuade my friends to use it.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Honey, the people who's nerves you are seriously grating on aren't the ones in the community gardens engaging in the behavior you don't like lol. We're nice, friendly people that do Not appreciate actions like you are recorded as advocating loudly and obnoxiously :) Frankly, you've made it clear you are no one I or my family and friends wish to associate with. Have fun trying to recreate the game to fit your views.
    Posted 12 months ago by Anya Karenya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you support griefing, I highly doubt you are friendly or nice.  In any case, blocking people is not recreating the game, nor is it wrong.  As far as people in the game are concerned, I enjoy being around a lot of them.  Especially those in Global, most of who are the nicest people out there.

    As for the community gardens, you are more than a bit off-topic, as the people stealing were nothing more than an example of the rest of the people who want to cause harm.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Just a quite note:

    twitter.com/#!/glitchlog/st...

    So migrant gardeners can have time to admire their work, public plots'll be locked to the seed planter for 60 seconds after harvestin time.

    Check it.  All those who where pretending that "all may harvest" justified the grief.  Your wrong.  Please accept this gracefully.
    Posted 11 months ago by ICountFrom0 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • wow, you're real pushy when you're wrong:
      
    That happened a few days ago, and quite simply doesn't change anything.  When there wasn't a mechanic to protect, All May Harvest justified harvesting anything, and purposefully plowing into it headfirst than complaining that you found the inevitable drama wasn't justified.  Most people weren't claiming it justified the grief -- most were just claiming that it was what it was and rather than stomp feet and cry about it people should use other mechanisms or move on.    There's nothing to accept gracefully.  Now we'll just hear whining about people that glanced away and lost their herbs.   And fights about who was where first for herbs they didn't plant.  And fights about who planted 32 plots instead of just 4.  Sane people will use the mechanisms that are present to avoid the drama.  Insane people will keep doing the same thing that upsets them while expecting different results and demanding everybody else care.  It will be just as whiny and inappropriate in the future as it was in the past.  Z

    I don't have to change a thing I've said: it's up to you to avoid drama or seek it.  I'm proud to say I'd rather avoid it.  And I'm proud to say I have no sympathy for those that do not.  
    Posted 11 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
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