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A change to non-donation favor gains.

This is something I'd very much like to see happen: "Favor gained from leveling up, quests, and achievements can no longer push your favor with a particular Giant to its maximum. Instead, the favor stops at 1 below your maximum favor, requiring a small donation to receive the emblem."

While the favor we gain from these activities are small, they can also be unpredictable and are capable of really screwing you up. I just started Better Learning V. As everybody knows, getting in the maximum amount of skill time reduction as fast as possible is very important, particularly on longer skills like BL V. The more time goes by, the more possible time reduction is lost.

So I'm going to the Lem altar to make a donation before the new day arrives, and I bring it from 0/2000 up to 1975/2000. Woops, I accidentally leveled in doing so, gaining a miniscule 150 favor that pushed it over the edge, wasting over 1000 favor. That's about three hours worth of learning time lost. Actually all six, since I don't want to spend emblems.

It's not the first time, nor will it probably be the last. It's one of a couple of mechanics that occasionally blows up in the player's face.

Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Glenn Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I've had that happen before (with Alph, for Tinkering V), but I'm not sure that I would want it changed. 

    I feel like, for me, it was one of those learning experiences where I made a mental note to pay attention to how much experience I was gaining.  I had no idea I gained that much, so I've now learned to keep a better eye on it, and on the ratio of donation:favorpoints:experiencepoints. 

    Plus, because of that incident with Alph, I have actually learned to use donations as a way to help me level up--something that had never occurred to me before the frustrating event in question.

    I type this not to be argumentative (though that is, admittedly, in my nature), but because I really was glad for the lesson.
    Posted 14 months ago by Ren_tara, BatQueen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not sure how to determine the amount of exp that a specific amount of favor is going to give me, nor do I know how to determine what my max daily exp amount will be for any given level. The former is the real problem, as there's no prompt before the donation telling you the exp you'll get unless one of the daily limits will be broken. The latter isn't as big of an issue, as you'll get a prompt before you donate and you can check your exp before donating.

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    Edit: Before somebody says it, anybody can make a donation and then divide the exp by the favor amount to find out how much exp a point of favor is worth. It could be that simple. Or it could vary based on any number of other factors. I'm sure somebody has figured it out, but I'm more worried about the people that don't look at the forums or don't read wikis to absorb every bit of information they can.

    Speaking of wikis, I just checked Strategywiki to see if they had the formulae for those two things, and they don't even mention experience on the favor page at all. They also don't mention donations on the exp page, which is a stub.
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    It would appear that the daily exp limit is (character level x 138), based on the 3450 exp limit vs. my character level, 25. That's an odd number, which makes me question whether it's really the formula or if it's just coincidence.

    Anyway, learning experiences are fine. I like learning experiences too. I'm a fan of the Roguelike genre, which, if you've ever played them, you know they require a massive amount of learning. Particularly the older ones, like Nethack.

    But I also know when things are difficult for the sake of being difficult, and this seems to be one of those times. It's a needless annoyance, in my opinion. I say it's needless because the change that would eliminate the annoyance would have virtually no downside. That is, unless somebody sits there and completes multiple levels or Giant-related quests and achievements without visiting the shrine and taking the emblem. Not only would I not have much sympathy for them, but the person wouldn't even lose that much. Maybe a few hundred. Whereas people who have those couple of hundred accidentally hit their max favor can lose -thousands-.
    Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Glenn Subscriber! | Permalink