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Gardening is not a leisure activity!

What kind of yuppie decided to declare that our essential crop farming efforts are a 'leisure activity?'  It's a livelihood.  If you consider it a leisure activity, you better hope you never lose track of the way to the supermarket.

Posted 11 months ago by Kalstept Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • ...okay, I get that this is relevant to the game because of the update, buuuuut what?
    Posted 11 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That message is nothing new. It happens (as far as I can see) when you harvest or plant faster than your efforts get processed by the game server. If, as some indicate, the message is more common now, it's probably due to lots-of-lag on TS's side of things; not to TS implementing a forced harvest/plant slowdown (it could obviously be that as well, but until TS says "we changed gameplay in this fashion", it isn't that.)
    Posted 11 months ago by San Serif Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I noticed the change too -- it is significant.  Interested to hear what's up.
    Posted 11 months ago by Circe Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've always gotten that error message when I'm experiencing a lot of lag between my computer and Glitch
    Posted 11 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ..."yuppie"? 

    ? :/
    Posted 11 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Me too, Windborn, but as Miri just showed me "gardening has been reinstated as a leisure activity" according to the Glitch change log on Twitter.  http://twitter.com/#!/glitchlog/statuses/160146743273598976  

    That puts a different spin on things, and if it is only temporary to help things during beta, well and good, but I don't think seeing gardening as a leisure activity as a permanent solution to be a good thing.
    Posted 11 months ago by Oristia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This isn't so much of a change as fixing a bug that was temporarily allowing you to click on too many things at once and generating not-quite-right messages from the game client. So we put back in the teeny-tiny delay in between gardening actions so things work more smoothly: if you click too quick, you'll get the "leisure activity" warning. 
    Posted 11 months ago by Blanky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • They've changed it- previously, it only affected clearing and watering. Now, it also affects harvesting and planting. My gardening time has increased a lot, which is bad, because I usually try to do it quickly in the mornings before I leave.

    @Windborn: This delay was/is different from lag. Lag used to be I'd try to plant in the same plot twice, not having to wait so long to do everything by design.
    Posted 11 months ago by Negata Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks, Blanky. :) That clears it up. 
    Posted 11 months ago by Oristia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Instead of a delay continuing after the action animation, why not lengthen the animation to include it? That way it is visible, so to speak. If the animation for an action ends, I assume I can take a new action immediately. Instead, the animation ends, and I have a short but indeterminate period where I am not allowed a further action. This just makes farming feel weird.
    Posted 11 months ago by MrVolare Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kal is right.  My herb garden was WAY slower today.  It's been NERF'd.  Glitch has definitely increased the time it takes to garden and you can no longer just click through quickly.  Why was this done?  With an achievement of 5K in herbs and other high achievements in regular gardening, it makes no sense to slow down the already slow process of gardening.  Maybe the auction has prices were too low on herbs and veggies?  Baffled by this one as it doesn't seem to make the game any more enjoyable or interesting for anyone. 
    Posted 11 months ago by Lean Green Machine Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I reported it as a bug. If it's not fixed, I will be a very unhappy glitch ....
    Posted 11 months ago by Watson Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, leisurely activities should not yield such frustrating results. Longer animations or back to the way it was (or a more elegant solution yet to be mentioned).

    ETA: Honestly, has anyone at TS tried to harvest/tend/plant a 28 plot garden? If so, did you enjoy it? The number of times that I hear "whaaa whaaa" from a plot, and being told to "slow down" is pretty lame. I'd prefer some positive reinforcement (longer animation at least), than a constantly negative result.
    Posted 11 months ago by Joe Blow Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sad :(
    after a bit gardening becomes a tedious routine churn for many...it shouldn't be made to take longer - it is enough to notice and is irksome.

    Hoping a different technical solution can be found so the game server stays happy
    Posted 11 months ago by BlueBetsy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't get the fuss, to be quite honest with you. It's a couple seconds more instead of just powering through it. And on trying to reach 5003 herbs... considering the growing time, you're not losing that much time by waiting.

    In my opinion, the internet has made people much more impatient. We want things, and we want them two minutes ago. It's not as though there's a one minute timer before you can plant your next crop...

    Annoying, but not that annoying.
    Posted 11 months ago by Saiai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm more than bored with gardening.  Feeding batterfl.ies is even more tedious. Funny thing is I like mining and don't get bored.  And my husband is doing something with my computer that is messing up what I"m trying to type. Grr.

    I"M SENDING IN A BUG REPORT ON THE WORLD. FOREVER.
    Posted 11 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's extremely annoying when you go to harvest 3 herb plots and you get that with 2 of them!

    Will gardening ever become fun again?!
    Posted 11 months ago by sgjo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just take a deep breath.  breathe in the fresh air.  Relax.

    It's not a race for me.
    Posted 11 months ago by Pirate Apples Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I read this thread before I logged in, and at the time I had no idea how much this would annoy me. You really have to experience it for yourself. I think the problem I have with it is that there is no animation to show me how long I should wait in between interactions, so I have to guess how long I should pause (or learn from my mistakes and start counting Mississippi's). If I guess wrong on how long to wait, I am greeted with the very annoying "uh" sound that alerts me that I'm doing something wrong, and a rude message about how I have no understanding of the philosophy behind the activity that is gardening. I have no problem waiting the extra couple seconds, as long as the game doesn't yell at me for apparently being too quick. It makes me sad :(.
    Posted 11 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • In taking a closer look at it, what they appear to have done is eliminate some type-ahead. Used to be, I could harvest and hoe by three clicks -- one to get to the plot, one to harvest, and one to clear. I could do them all rapidly. The events happened smoothly at their own pace after that, and I was fine with that. Now, though, I have to time the clicks as Shepherdmoon said -- no type-ahead. It's a UI design goof. Please fix !!!!

    Adding challenge hardly makes it more leisurely ... :(
    Posted 11 months ago by Spockian Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 to joe blow's post
    Posted 11 months ago by Snowpuff Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm with Mr. Volare and Shep and Joe.... just give me an animation that tells me when it's ready.  I don't mind the wait, but I hate the "waaa"  sound.  I'm not a good guesser, so if we have a picture just like with water and hoe, that would be helpful for me.  
    Posted 11 months ago by kat65 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • To the annoyed: we hear you, and will be looking into it. 
    Posted 11 months ago by Blanky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm curious how this was a "bug" -- Blanky, can you provide an example of how the previous gardening behavior affected anything at all?  Did it make browsers crash?  Did it prevent respawns of any kind?  Did it make things unclickable?  

    I never ran into any "not-quite-right messages with the game client."  It just feels like this got nerf'd for no reason at all.  
    Posted 11 months ago by Circe Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Awesome. 
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Cool, Blanky.  I didn't see your reply before my most recent post.  Thanks.
    Posted 11 months ago by Circe Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Stolen from Volkov, this is how I feel when I tend plots: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tjt2EZA_Yg
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hate this time delay.  It makes an annoyingly repetitive activity worse.

    If this time delay stays, then it's time to automate the gardening.  Or let us work the plots as a whole, or in rows/columns, instead of individually (in our houses at least).
    Posted 11 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I will throw my hat in the ring for the annoyed. Its not so much the delay, its the annoying sound. Its like when I try to rearrange my bags while mining. 
    Posted 11 months ago by Papa Legba Subscriber! | Permalink
  • so this annoyed me so much that i just held down the enter key on a plot and just discovered that if you just hold down the enter key the game will accept and process all commands up to seed selection... so no more annoying messages; just hold down enter and enjoy the rapid drum sounds between actions!
    Posted 11 months ago by Snowpuff Subscriber! | Permalink
  • YUCK.  Yuck yuck yuck.  Please change it so it's FASTER not make it even MORE slow than it already is.  On my laggyass connection on my slowass computer slowing it down even further makes me not even want to log on tonight.  And I could really use some mass gardening time with the way I'm feeling (CRAPPY).

    THIS IS CRAP.  :: flails around wildly ::
    Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Blanky, I'm really glad this is being looked at because I for one am extremely annoyed with this. Gardening was tedious enough without slowing it down even more. When I'm doing repetitive activities I like to be able to rapid click and get them done quickly so I can get back to doing the things I enjoy. Things I do not enjoy? Staring at the hoe and watering can animations over and over and over.

    It should be harvest, clear, plant. Bam, done. On to more fun glitchy things.

    Please don't take something I considered a chore already and make it something that makes me make stabbing motions at the screen in my mind.
    Posted 11 months ago by SkyWaitress Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yet another person who sees no point in forced delays.  Adding forced delays just makes things take longer; it doesn't make them more interesting.  Take the quack back out!
    Posted 11 months ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Why is farming called Gardening?
    Posted 11 months ago by Rah Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ultimately Gardening, with or without delay, is a horrid click (or enter) fest and likely speeding me on my way to arthritis and carpal tunnel, if only because I'm determined to do it anyway.  

    Best case solution: new set of skills that enable installation of a sprinkler over each set of plots, an "international harvester" type thingy for harvesting whole "fields" at one, and a plow for clearing "fields" all at once.  Maybe something to make planting simpler as well, but with the other three covered, the lifespan of my wrists will definitely be extended.  

    Perhaps, riffing off Rah, these skills could be called Farming and require Gardening IV or V.  

    Just a thought.  
    Posted 11 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Because you do it in your backyard garden.  You own a house, not a farm.

    Oh giants.  Multinational Agribusiness comes to Ur.  
    Posted 11 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Count me as a member of "the annoyed" - If the ability to harvest and plant quicky was a bug, it would have been nice to be told. I always assumed watering/hoeing was a time consuming activity and harvesting/planting was to be done quickly. Why is instant harvest/plant a problem? Does it cause lag or an issue on the game server end?
    Posted 11 months ago by Marie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Okay, so I'm not one of the people who were "already" annoyed with gardening. I thought it was great the way it was. But this seriously annoys me. Gardening isn't a leisure activity. GoC is. Gardening is something I need to do to get awesome stew ingredients. And it now takes me ten times longer. Anyway, I'm not angry or anything; I'm just stating that this is a change I'll have to adapt to. If it doesn't revert back to the old behavior, I'll simply cease gardening (and look even more so forward to new housing so I don't have to have garden plots I don't even use).
    Posted 11 months ago by Jus​tin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Agree, agree. agree.
    ...and that very annoying sound (i think Joe Blow said it best..."whaaa whaaa") has always been annoying and for some reason it really gets under my skin. I always curse at it too lol (which i just realized i do outloud and how that looks lol)
    Posted 11 months ago by Sir Mixalatte Subscriber! | Permalink
  • OMG this is aggravating! Something that wasn't broken now feels broken.
    Posted 11 months ago by Pascale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • We'd better be getting robot badger gardeners soon, cos this is soooooo annoying

    bring back the days of click-click-click-click garden!
    Posted 11 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree this feels terribly broken. Unless you'll allow us to employ cheap illegal immigrant labor glitches to tend our gardens for us, I'd love it back the way it was.
    Posted 11 months ago by LokiPDX Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I see so many messages here with people in an outrage and I never find that I feel the same way at all.

    For the first time, however, I find myself in complete agreement. The previous "gardening is a leisure activity" system was mildly annoying but once I got into the rhythm of it I was fine. This, though, is stunningly slow and frustrating.

    Unless gardening becomes way more lucrative, I can't see myself doing it anymore unless this is backed out. Don't get me wrong, I don't currently garden to make currants, I just do it for the pleasure of the cycle and the ability to use the proceeds to make food. Now, though, I'd only do it if it was like mining, where the time put in has a significant reward (and I don't even mine anymore as I find harvesting much more interesting).

    Anyway, to my fellow whiners, I'm totally with you here!
    Posted 11 months ago by Credulous Ralph Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't love the extra forced "leisure" at all. I had just reconciled myself to gardening being as slow as it was before & I had worked out a sort of rhythm to maximize time/click efficiency and minimize my aggravation. And now ...  

    Well, I love you Blanky! Thank you for hearing us and looking into this. Please save us!
    Posted 11 months ago by Aleph Zero Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ha! You've all gone off on a tangent, but I have to admit, I was mildly annoyed by the wording too when I first saw it aeons ago. I do it as part of my job and after a day of gardening, I'm bruised, scratched, filthy and almost too tired to put the kettle on. I do it to make gardens pretty, rather than to produce food, but same difference.

    So yes, I sympathise with kalstept, but I know that for most people it is a leisure activity, so I wouldn't go so far as posting in a forum about it...... oops.

    *puts wellies on while looking out at driving rain* *sighs*
    Posted 11 months ago by Pomponella Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 for the automated idea. I'd love some kind of tractor that used fuel cells or something to run on, that would harvest, how, water and plant each of my plots. This new slowdown is merely annoying. I can see how it would help with demand on the servers, but having to perform the actions on 28 plots consecutively isn't helping the matter either. If we could automate the process or perform the same action on multiple plots simultaneously, that would really cut down on the amount of contact needed with the server.
    Posted 11 months ago by Quibba Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, I was so happy we had gotten rid of the leisure thing...

    The delay definitely makes gardening more Farmville-esque. Adding tractors etc. would complete the transformation :-/
    Posted 11 months ago by Vic Fontaine Subscriber! | Permalink
  • WindBorn wroteYou own a house, not a farm. 

    True, in that my home is a house, but I like to think of it as the farmhouse attached to my smallholding. 

    28 crop plots, 30 piggies and 12 bufflies I really do think is more than a just house and I can regard myself as a farmer
    Posted 11 months ago by IrenicRhonda Subscriber! | Permalink
  • All it makes me do is hit the enter key faster, spamming the server more. Not in some "that will teach them" type of response, but just because the command will go through eventually. Go ahead and tell me it's supposed to be leisurely all you want, doesn't mean I have to listen!

    That said, I see you've already posted a "we'll look into it" response, so thank you for taking the time. As always, TS's involvement with the community is a shining point of the game.
    Posted 11 months ago by XD Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Seems much ado, 'bout nuffin!

    Only difference I've seen is with harvesting and planting seeds, there is now a brief delay when hitting the entry key, whereas before there was none. Now all gardening functions work like watering always has.

    Am I as productive as before, yes. Am I concerned about the delay, no? Is this a big deal, no.

    Is Glitch as much fun today as it was previously - yep!

    Too much nity-picky makes for lost productivity and joy.
    Posted 11 months ago by MeherMan Subscriber! | Permalink
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