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can we just settle this. family game or not?

i can't really find an official definition for what a family game is or not, but i mean, it's essentially the same as a 'family film' in regards to the use of language. so, while 'family game' doesn't have an objective definition (yet), 'family film' does. it's "a film genre that is designed to appeal to a variety of age groups and, thus, families." i think we all agree that the game appeals to many age groups. i suppose we could also agree that the game is PG-13 considering that a player must be 13 years or older to play (with parental consent). films typically are upgraded to PG-13 from PG when language is used sparingly (generally, less than 4 times) or the movie is especially violent. note that Glitch never uses language and is never violent, so the game really should be PG or even G. Certainly, it would be rated E for everyone with a disclaimer that they cannot control the content experienced online.  

ultimately though, the game has parallels with a family film that's rated PG-13. and as such, we shouldn't use language. 

thank you for your time.

(edit: ToS says 14 years or older, so I guess PG-14 would be more accurate.)

Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Tene, there still could be a language filter that hasn't been implemented yet. I'm not the only one for it either.

    http://beta.glitch.com/forum/ideas/5801/

    http://beta.glitch.com/forum/ideas/6132/

    We aren't judge and jury here. I was more or less interested in TS's take on it. Stewart said himself that he doesn't mind cussin in this thread. So I guess I got it. But, I still feel the game is a family game. Which, I didn't get TS's take on that. I am not against partial use of language. I even consider the word 'ass' not foul language. It's gray area. But, whatever. I just think we should all be adults and not use foul language in GC and LC.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I personally don't like foul language. So far I haven't had any problems with it in the game. If I were to come across it I would avoid it. I am sorry if I derailed any of your concerns. I was just adding my input. A filter would be nice. I don't know what it would take for TS to put one in there...Just saying it would be nice it would happen.
    Posted 15 months ago by Miss Muffett Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg we read your thoughts apparently you didn't bother to read ours.

    1. Why would we eliminate the word kids and call them "young adults".  You should specify age, kids, children etc. are for this game under 14 years old.  Young adults would be over 14 years old.  So be an adult about this and not force children to be called young adults or future senior citizens, they are children when under the age of 14.

    2. Maybe you should be an adult and agree to refrain from using language to censor other adults, private or in global chat.  After all Stoot did mention we could use language.

    3. It should also be self evident to you that Glitch is not a "movie" its with real people, in real time and is not appropriate for "children".  Thank you TS for standing your ground that this is not a "family" game.

    5. You are not only misquoting what Stoot said regarding swearing but twisting words to imply he agrees with you.
    Your comment: 
    That is, the people who are randomly cursing come-off as childish while they're trying to act like cursing is for adults.

    Stoots comment:
    "And yes, consenting adults in social situations can feel free to find a level of cussin' that they find acceptable — I'm quite a cusser myself in real life, with people I know. Or even, selectively, in public speaking.

    But, all you swearing over and over in this thread seem a lot more like kids than adults. And: going around persistently swearing just because you know other people find it offensive is the kind of thing that will get you silenced from public chat channels or even kicked out of the game. So: don't do that. It's not "fighting for free expression" — it's "being a jerk".Posted 13 hr ago by stoot barfield "
    If you read even half of all the comments regarding your ideas it would be self evident nobody agrees with your ideas.  So be honest and answer my question ok?  How old are the children you want to play Glitch?  That's all I'm asking.
    Posted 15 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • stoot said This is not a game for kids.
    and said
    It's ok to say "fuck" or "shit", occasionally.
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree with xoxJulie. I will be honest and say children should not play this game. Don't all of us as parents say to our kids "don't speak to strangers"? We do a lot of chatting in this game...And most of it is to people we have never met and personally do not know at all. I say...Let your kids play at your own risk.
    Posted 15 months ago by Miss Muffett Subscriber! | Permalink
  • xoxJulie, family game is not the same as a kid game. That's why I want to shift it from 'kid' to 'young adult.' Nevermind the fact that I consider a 14-year-old a child anyways... as I'm sure many others would.

    A family game is a game that appeals to Many Age Groups. Stewart did say the game is intended for adults. That's also part of my reason for shifting it to 'young adult.' The game certainly appeals to young adults as well. Not only that, the game permits them to play. Whereas children (13 younger ones, that is) are not permitted. 

    So that answers your item #1.

    2—At no point have I attempted to censor anyone. I call people out when they use foul language. I feel that it's inappropriate. Even now, I'm not even trying to establish a censor. I'm trying to settle whether or not this game is a family game. Being that its family game status seems self evident to me, I feel that we should refrain from language.

    3—I agree that it's not a movie. But there is no objective working definition for a family game. There is one for family film, and it is identical to the one that I would use for a family game. That is, a family game is a game that appeals to a variety of age groups. Of note, now you're twisting what TS said about it being a family game or not. They haven't said anything about it being a family game or not. They shouldn't have to anyways. It's clear-cut that it is. 

    4?

    5—I didn't quote him at all. I stated that we had a similar thought as we read through the posts. I reiterated, maybe paraphrased?, that. Reread what Stewart said and then what I said. They're identical ideas.

    Thank you.

    edit
    Windborn, kids is a loose term. Let's use Young Adult ages 14+. If we do that, it makes more sense. Also, yes, occasionally, but he doesn't say it's wrong to request that people do not use them. That's all I'm doing. He never denies it as a family game. Why? Because it is a game that appeals to a wide variety of age groups.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What Stoot says is what we see here in the forums. Not for some newbie who comes in and are clueless. There is nothing in the opening page of Glitch's website that says this game is not for kids.
    Posted 15 months ago by Miss Muffett Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg, if Tiny Speck is going to use the term "kids" then I will continue to use the term when I quote TS staff. 

    If you can get stoot to use a different term, then I will also quote that correctly. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • not :)

    Besides I suspect most of those 'young adults' regularly use more 'language' than I do. I'd struggle to understand half of it!
    Posted 15 months ago by Twoodle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Stewart didn't use the term kids, WindBorn. He said the game is intended for adults. Being that the game appeals to young adults as well (and allows them to play), I don't see why we can't shift our language to young adults. Heck, we don't know exactly what Stewart meant anyways. He could have meant 'adult' as in adult-minded. That is, people who behave like adults regardless of age. But he never said kids. So, do you agree with me?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg,

    Did you even bother to read the link I provided?  I quoted stoot by copying and pasting what he said.  stoot said (and I quote) "This is not a game for kids."

    I find it amusing that you want me to paraphrase an exact quote so that it conforms to your morals and standards. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't want to write a long reply, but I have something to say:

    Just because, according to your reasoning, glitch is a family game, does not actually make it a family game. I do not know in what universe playing an online game that your family member also happens to play implies that you're actually playing a family game and spending time with your family. Just because it fits into some bureaucratic rating system that you've gotten into your head actually means something?

    As a gaming enthusiast (social, pencil and paper, board, card, video, tabletop, and LARP -- of both family and decidedly non-family games), I find this sort of thinking disturbing. It makes me troubled about current family dynamics. If you want to play a family game, play a game with your family. And by that I mean, play a game with JUST your family. I promise you, a massively multiplayer internet game is not a family game, even if it's geared toward children. In that case, it's more likely an educational game and/or a cheap babysitter.

    Edited to say: I know a lot of games that appeal to people of all ages that are also not family games. Just FYI. The appeal is not always meant to be there.
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I assumed you were paraphrasing something he said in this thread because you didn't use quotation marks. I didn't see that text as a link. I then reread all of Stewart's posts in this thread, and didn't see the use of 'kids.' So I apologize. I would recommend that rather than hyperlink text, just provide the full link as a source for clarity. My apologies either way.

    Either way, I have never said it was a game for kids. Nor do I feel that it is. A family game/film can appeal to kids or not appeal to kids. The game, I feel, does appeal to kids, but that's neither here nor there. They are not allowed to play. 

    But, who are allowed to play are young adults. Thusly, it works to use the term young adults instead of kids because kids are not in the equation. Also, it more accurately speaks of the total range of ages that would be interested in playing this game. 

    Truly, the age range is vast. Ages 14 to 70 can find something they like in this game. Additionally, the game appeals to both genders. The game's appeal is far and wide. This is why I feel it is a family game. I find it odd that people disagree. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Quirk, the discussion of PG-13/14/whatever was more or less to back-up what I was talking about use of language. The concept of a 'family' game/movie whatever is pretty broad. It also makes sense. We could eliminate the term 'family game' and simply agree that the game has a wide ranging appeal to many types of players/audiences.

    And, I don't see how you can't play an MMO with just your family?! I have two friends that do just that with WoW. Right now, the game doesn't have a lot of team play (a point of concern others have discussed.) But, it eventually will, and I don't see why a fam couldn't play together.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  •   Dawgg says: 
    • Guys, try not to derail my thread. Thank you. I suggest starting a separate thread on penis vs vagina humor, and another thread for discussion of language used to oppress vs language used otherwise

    When I am surfing the internet and reading forum posts, I almost always find that a controlling attitude is more offensive to me than four letter words.  The thread doesn't really "belong" to the op.  It has a life of its own.  
    BTW, I feel the same way about community based websites with user generated content.  It belongs to the business owners in a financial sense of course,  but they would do well to remember that what they built has a life of its own.  Just like kids :)   It wouldn't survive very long if it didin't.
    Posted 15 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Is WoW supposed to be a family game now? MMO's are not family games. That doesn't mean (nor did I imply it meant) you can't play them at the same time your family plays. But, by definition, you are playing with many more people than just your family. Whether you are actively interacting with them or not.

    You're not going to win whatever outcome you want from this discussion. You're arguing for either self-censorship (something that won't happen) or strict company-enforced censorship (which I don't see TS doing, but is well within their right) for a game that is only meant for people who ALREADY use "bad" language, young adults included.
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So, Glitch is a game with wide ranging appeal. 

    It is for adults.  It is not for kids. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "can we just settle this. family game or not?"

    Not.
    Posted 15 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Treesa, allow me to rephrase. And I made my comment because there are no forum mods here. So I'm being my own advocate. Guys, please do not derail the thread that I started. Thank you. I also said thank you in my original plea to stay on topic.

    Quirk, WoW definitely appeals to a lot of different people. If it didn't, it wouldn't be as successful as it is. And, you scoffed about how in no universe is a game being played by a family make it a family game. What is needed, according to you, for a game to be a family game? 

    I'm not arguing for anything. I'm asking people to refrain (based on good reasons) from using language in GC and LC. It really need not be said, but you shouldn't assume all adults and all young adults use language. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • WindBorn, I agree with your first statement. Based on Stewart's two claims, you are accurate as well. Though, I'm not sure why you're reiterating. Do you then agree that the game is a family game? Do you feel we should try to use language sparingly in GC and LC?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Just as an aside, the repeated use of "language" in place of "swearing, cursing, obscenity, giving offense, etc" is starting to crack me up.  

    I'm with Stoot.  We should definitely use language.  I think grunting and gesturing would be ineffectual as a mode of online communication.

    *snicker*

    Ok, return to seriousness now.
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Pallas, several people beat you to it on that joke. It really wasn't that funny the first time. No offense, Stewart.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Also, I'd like to add:

    a lifted pixel said:
    "I smell a troll.

    "And if you're not a troll, please step away from the internet."

    Huh? What did he say that sounded trollish?

    And..."[that joke] really wasn't that funny the first time. No offense, Stewart."

    Was too! Hmph. ;)
    Posted 15 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm asking people to refrain (based on good reasons) from using language in GC and LC.

    Actually, the only way we can communicate in Glitch is by using language.  That's what words and grammar are:  Language. 

    I'm not sure why you think that people should  refrain from using language.  Almost all adults and young adults use language to communicate. 

    Whatever your reasons are, they don't apply to the rest of the Glitch community.   Your good reasons are not my good reasons.  You are welcome to follow your own rules for appropriate and inappropriate behavior.  But, fortunately, you have no control over how I play the game. 

    And, part of the reason I play THIS game is that Tiny Speck have said, "Sometimes people will act inconsiderately or irresponsibly or without tact or decorum and we'll miss it or won't be able to act in time to prevent other people from seeing it. That's unfortunate but it is worth it for the sake of having generally free/open channels of communication, "

    emphasis added.

    It's unfortunate, but worth it from TS's point of view if people act inconsiderately, or irresponsibly, or without tact, or without decorum and TS staff can't act in time to prevent other people from seeing it. 

    So, expect that there will, from time to time, be behavior that fails to meet your standards.  And that TS is not going to try to prevent that from happening ahead of time.   

    If that is the atmosphere you think is appropriate for your family, then this is will work for you.  But don't expect the rest of us to refrain from anything that we think is appropriate (even if you don't). You're going to be disappointed if we don't meet your expectations. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ok, look mr. dawgg:

    it's NOT a family game. it's NOT for kids. it is for grownups.

    if YOU as a grownup want the language to be clean, simply make that request and don't rest it on what children should hear.  the two things are separate issues.

    and just because you or i might want more polite language does not make it a family game. simply because the game is relatively clean does not mean that children should be permitted to intrude in it. this is a space for grownups.

    take your children to some other game, maybe a family game.

    what is said in chat is by grownups FOR grownups and understood to be between grownups. if you are offended, close the chat window. it's what i do, and i find it remarkably effective for shielding my tender eyes from things i don't like.

    as an aside, i will tell you that when people apologize around me for language, my stock response is "it's ok. i used to teach kindergarten. i've heard a lot worse."

    and yes, that's the sad truth. a long time ago in a kindergarten class i heard the words "i'm gonna fuckin' blow your fuckin' head right off, you fuckin' SOB".

    and then the kid broke my nose.

    i found it offensive.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Guys, let's not discuss the humor in that joke. Let's also agree to stop using it because even if it was funny the first time, it's not funny any more.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 WindBorn (really, more than +1, cause this isnt the first time I have witnessed you being sane, and calm for a really long time.  I would have snapped by now)

    And Mr. Dawgg, why are you telling people how to act, what to post, how to post it, what to say and not to say, how to joke and not to joke? Its quite obnoxious.
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • big puffy hearts for flask and Windborn.

    I shall just follow you around, nodding enthusiastically.
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Must. Not. Swear.

    Also - not.
    Posted 15 months ago by icatchm0nkeys Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow, WindBorn took the joke as a serious idea. Do you guys understand context? I have several learning disabilities, and I understand context. By language I mean foul language. 

    So you feel that because TS can't control it, that it's ok to use language? I really don't follow your reasoning. 

    And yes, when there are people who act differently than me, I will remind them that it's a family game and that they should watch their language. I expect it. But whenever I do it, there is a large discussion about how the game isn't a family game when I feel that it is.

    Flask,

    I do not propose it is a family game because of language or lack thereof. I propose that it's a family game because it appeals to a wide audience. Ages, genders, etc. Because of this, we should behave more appropriately in Local Chat and Global Chat. Do you agree the game appeals to many people? Do you agree we should behave like adults?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Innie, I'm asking not telling. If it comes off as telling, reinterpret it as asking or pleading. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I scoffed at thinking that just because a family is playing a game, that makes it a family game. It doesn't. A family could play Arkham Horror together, but the game is not a family game.

    There are four requirements for a family game:
    1. A limited number of players can play it at a time. This doesn't just mean that all of your interaction is with a few players, but that you have no choice but to have all your interaction be with a few players. You are to bond with those players through the game.
    2. An appeal to many people in many age ranges. (This is the one you seem to have a firm grasp on.)
    3. The company creating the game markets it as a family game. They mean for it to be a family game. When they were creating the game, they envisioned families playing it together. This is the biggest qualification right here, actually. #3 is important.
    4. The game inspires healthy competitive practices (winning without gloating, losing without getting upset) or cooperation (team-building, trust, and problem-solving) and is used as a bonding tool.

    Now, just because Hasbro and Milton Bradley and whatever other company making family games chose to market games as family games, does not mean only company can make them. Several family games have been developed within a family. In that case, the family is the company.

    As for your original post, you're not actually asking people to help decide. You've made up your mind. But here are my answers:

    1) Glitch is not a family game.
    2) Language will be used in much the same way it has always been used. There are people who will talk too much. There are people will will not talk at all. And there will be a varying degree of severity and offensiveness within language used. You say tomato, they say fucking tomato, I say five-hour crop unless you use guano.
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But it's not a family game.  If you go around reminding people to watch their language you are seriously overstepping your boundaries.   

    Whatever you feel is what you feel.  Foul language is whatever you define it as.  But your definitions have absolutely nothing to do with what language I use when playing an game for adults, that is not for kids.    I get to decide what language I think is appropriate, and use it freely. 

    I disagree with your conclusion that it is a family game. I disagree with your decision that anyone else has to change their behavior in Local Chat and Global Chat.  I disagree that "behaving like adults" means that we shouldn't use "foul" language. 

    So, since I disagree, you'll just have to put up with my definitions of what is appropriate in Local Chat and Global Chat.  Because it's an adult game and I get to play the way I want.  Only TS gets to decide whether I'm behaving inappropriately.
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Dawgg:  We understand context.  Clearly, in this context, many of us find your use of "language" at least mildly amusing.  I don't think chastising people is doing anything to decrease amusement.

    I agree that we should behave like adults.  For me, that doesn't include parenting other adults. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • mr. dawgg, just because a game might appeal to children does not make it a place where they are welcome.

    i quite frankly don't care if children would like glitch. if it were a game for children and families i simply wouldn't be interested. i rather resent having the cry of "think of the children!" raised every time somebody wants to bring their special little snowflake into an adult environment, thereby spoiling it for the rest of us.

    do i really HAVE to hang out in places too unsavory for children in order to enjoy a child-free evening? what if i just want to be free to say what i'm going to say without having to "think of the children!"?

    i wish to note that if you are a special little snowflake using this game underage and you are able to pass yourself off as a bona fide grownup, good for you. i am not concerned about your tender little ears because you clearly have a lot going for you. carry on.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Quirk,

    Limited Number of Players—Right now Glitch is a solo game for most intents and purposes. There is no team play whatsoever. There are however instances. You have instanced races which only allow two. You have Game of Crowns which allows 3-4. So in that respect the game contains instances that meet this requirement.

    Appeal to Wide Age Range—We seem to agree.

    The Company Markets the Game as a Family Game—I haven't seen any marketing for this game yet. We have to wait and see how they market the game. Based on the visuals of the game though, it looks like something that would appeal to young adults. The micro payment and free to play aspect obviously is a market for young adults. Let's wait to see how they market the game.

    Healthy Competition and Co-operation—Glitch fits the bill on healthy co-operation and competition. Though, as many have said, it needs more team play.

     Why would you say Glitch doesn't match any of your requirements? I feel it fits them to a T. The jury is still out on #3 because no marketing has occurred to my knowledge.

    WindBorn,

    Whatever. You seem to just be stubborn and that's cool. I still will remind you about language when you use it.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have afew solutions (In my head that is).

    Solutions for everyone:
    1. Ask the person (KINDLY) to stop swearing / cursing around you.
    2. If the language offends you, in which it may, just close the chat, or leave the world. Just walk away.
    3. Ignore it. Just tune out.
    4. If it becomes offensive and directed at you, I am pretty sure we can block players, so just block them.

    Options for devs to include:

    4.. If they feel there is a need, add the option "Profanity Filter" in the game, maybe up the top right hand side where the volume is. The could be optional, where the player themself has to select it.
    5. Have a disclaimer (Like I saw above) saying that content spoken in game by players cannot be controlled.

    And, in my opinion on the topic, I don't care about swearing or cursing. It doesn't bother me the slightest. If the remarks become racist, then it bothers me. Just like names of players, or players renaming pigs, or butterflies, or chickens offensively. I think we will get an influx of this happening with new players being allowed in, testing out how much they can get away with.
    Posted 15 months ago by jjbob Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mmmm.

    I hate trying to define something as a "family" game or not. Depends on the family, really. But I would not recommend the game for 'children.' I perform improv on stage in which anything could happen. Kids are welcome, but we make sure parents know that we don't censure ourselves. And, having been told that, there are still times when a parent will get upset over something said.

    I'd say the same for Glitch. TS is not marketing it as a family game. They've made their position clear. Anyone who gets upset over bad language used in the game after being told that is... well, being a bit dense.

    I grew up in a family where we were taught that words were just words. Intent behind words was everything. We were also taught that words have power for good and bad. And we were taught that what is appropriate some places and for some people is not appropriate elsewhere.

    We swore in our house. Not a lot but some. And a big deal was never made about.

    Now, as an adult, I hardly swear at all. But when I do, it has power because people told expect it from me.

    That said, if someone in the game is particularly crude/offensive (which would, most likely, be folks using language to hurt, demean, annoy, shock) would be unfriended and blocked by me. Just as I would with someone in RL.

    BUT, if one were to wish to play the game and not be subjected to language, there is a solution that would be mostly effective: Select groups carefully. Select friends carefully. In general, there is VERY little chat that happens in local. And if you come across it a street where you read something you find offensive, leave. There are plenty of streets. The only time I could see this being a hardship is if it were at an "event" like a street project.

    But considering what TS has stated, tough. Yes. That's right. Tough.

    An aside: Pretty sure WindBorn knew EXACTLY what he was saying by stating we communicate with language. It was just perhaps a bit to subtle for some to get.

    ETA: If it the problem is "Well, it LOOKS like a family came," perhaps a simple solution would be to show a body Glitch corpse on the sign in screen. There problem solved.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • . I still will remind you about language when you use it.

    Good luck with making yourself the nanny for all of Glitch.  It's going to seriously interfere with how much time you have to enjoy your time in the game. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Pallas,

    Have a good ol' laugh, but I'm still going to remind you that someone else made the joke looong before you did. And, is it really *that* funny? C'mon now brother.

    Flask,

    I'm actually with you on that. But, I still feel that we should meet certain standards for behaving in a society. Be it an online one or a face-to-face one. I pepper my informal discourse with flavorful language myself. However, that's with private groups. When at work, at the store, in public, do you really use language liberally, flask? I would think  not. Why should Glitch be any different?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I smell a troll.

    And if you're not a troll, please step away from the internet.
    Posted 2 days ago by a lifted pixel | Permalink


    I'm seriously starting to wonder. And if other people are too, perhaps it's all time for us to step away from the internet, or at the very least, this thread.
    Posted 15 months ago by Xev Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr Dawgg, post after post is responding to you and telling you that next to nobody here feels this is a 'family game'. You are welcome to your opinion about it, but many many players disagree. You are not likely to change their minds in this discussion and you cannot control what they say and do in the game or elsewhere. I think you're starting to repeat yourself a bit, too!

    I think that if people occasionally use foul language in chat channels in Glitch, that isn't a big problem. I think that if parents permit their children to play, whether over 14 as per ToS or under 14 and in breach of the ToS, the parents are responsible for allowing the children to read a chat channel where anything could be said. I think that 'behaving like adults' can reasonably include swearing sometimes. I disagree with your idea that the chat channels in this game should not include this behaviour.
    Posted 15 months ago by Theremina Lute Subscriber! | Permalink
  • /sigh: The next great Glitch debate!

    I changed my mind, Glitch is a family game, cause we are all a part of one Giant (get it, see how I used
    "giant" there?) dysfunctional Glitch family ;).  I want to be the moody teenage girl who listens to bad rock music and doesn't eat dinner with the rest of the family!
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Theremina Lute, can you please record an R rated song? But super sweet sound. Perhaps something LIz Phair-y.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • " I'm not arguing for anything. I'm asking people to refrain (based on good reasons) from using language in GC and LC. It really need not be said, but you shouldn't assume all adults and all young adults use language." 

    well unless it says GOD at the end of  that quote I won't be doing what YOU say Dawgg. I think someone has grand ideas on just who sets the "rules" [ uses term loosely ] here. Whether or where ever I use bad language is not your call to make :) 
    This does not seem to be a debate on whether the game is for families. It is more like you wanting it censored to fit your beliefs. In that case may I suggest you go make your own MMOG

    Answer to question is NOT :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Misha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr Dawg, please listen to this thread. You asked a question: can we settle whether this is a family game or not. The answer is that it is not.

    When you say this

    "And yes, when there are people who act differently than me, I will remind them that it's a family game and that they should watch their language. I expect it. But whenever I do it, there is a large discussion about how the game isn't a family game when I feel that it is."

    You are ignoring what the makers of the game have said, both in this thread, and in many other threads. You are ignoring what the makers of the game say in the game itself.
    You ignore what the vast majority of other players have said, even if they do not like foul language.

    It's simple, and you really have no need to keep dragging this thread on, because it is a question that has been answered and settled. That is why people have called you a troll.

    Just because you "feel that it is" a family game, doesn't make it so. Please stop.
    Posted 15 months ago by wurzel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lord Bacon-o,

    Me too on how you were raised in regards to language. But, society is what it is. It's not appropriate in public to use foul language. Or is it where some of you are from? Either way, is it that important to use language in an online game in the public channels? Wouldn't it be better to just appeal to everyone and refrain?

    WindBorn, thanks for the well wishing. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lord Bacon-o: I will definitely consider it. If you have any suggestions for topics, please let me have them - my general 'Glitch is lovely - list of Glitch activities!' theme is getting a little well-worn :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Theremina Lute Subscriber! | Permalink
  • mr. dawgg, i didn't say i use coarse language liberally.

    i don't. it doesn't go over very well on church committees.

    but you seem to link clean language with family game because children might be here. and you want this to be a "family game". it says so right in your topic header.

    you're a grownup. don't hide behind "family game" turn off the chat window.

    this topic with you makes me feel as if i understand my poor mother when the birchers came to our house in the seventies asking her to sign a petition to stop the opening of an adult bookstore in a neighboring town.

    "oh, my!" she said. "i hope there is a shuttle bus service i can sign up for. certainly there are elderly and housebound people who will need transportation to the store! thank you for alerting me to this."

    and it took them a LOOOOONG time to realize she was talking about people needing rides to the store to patronize it, not protest it.

    my mother does not approve of pornography, but she approves the right of legal businesses to provide those services to adults who wish to purchase them.

    i think we have established, regardless of your campaign to clean things up because the game appeals to a wide audience and therefore according to your thinking, families, that this is not and is not intended to be a family game.

    personally i don't find the high-pitched and persistent whining about RULES OTHER PEOPLE NEED TO FOLLOW to be a very grownup behavior.

    when i am in public and people are very loudly using coarse language, i speak up about it. in the game i haven't had to do so; it's been working just fine for me to close the chat window. i encourage you to do the same.

    i have a trombone and i know how to use it.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Therimina Lute,

    I don't expect people to read every post that I make. So I tailor my responses to that individual's post so that I am sure to get my stance clear to that individual. That's why it seems like I repeat myself. Likely, I'm not repeating myself to that individual. I hope that makes sense. But, yes, I am very aware that I am repeating myself to those that read every post.

    I also agree that occasional use of language is ok. Though, I think not using at all would be best. Often, I don't remind people about language when it isn't egregious. But, sometimes I will no matter what. It's how I am. 

    In regards to everyone saying this to me... if I can just 'leave the chat' when someone uses foul language.  You guys can just leave the chat when I remind people not to use it. Fair?

    Wurzel,

    I thought people would listen to reason or at least use reason, but you're right. It's not going to be settled. And as Xev and I both concluded it won't be settled by TS. They definitely want us to come-up with our own decision on everything that has to do with the social norms and mores of Glitch society.

    Also, actually, I am not ignoring anyone. Again, a big part of this thread was requesting people to keep GC clean. Later, I also decided to tack-on Local Chats as well. People are ignoring my request and saying they'll do whatever they want. That's fine. But, I still am going to request. Also, I'm not dragging this on. I'm replying to people who are replying to me. 

    The 'makers' in this thread? Stewart is one person who is working on this game. He, as WindBorn helped point out, is that the game 'is for adults' and 'is not for kids.' This doesn't mean it's not a family game. He never denied its family game status. I hope that he will state clearly that it is indeed a family game. He did state that some language is ok, but overuse is not ok. So we just have to self-police ourselves. 

    Why do I 'feel it is' a family game. I have expressed based on a single, self-evident requirement that it is indeed a family game. Let's take away the term family game. And let's use the concept by itself.

    Glitch appeals and is played by a wiiiide variety of people. Global Chat and Local Chat, therefore, will likely have an eclectic group of people that have all types of ideas on what is appropriate or inappropriate for public chatting. Of these moral backgrounds, the use of language is often considered 'wrong.' As such, we should accept that using foul language is probably a bad idea in public chats. Agree or disagree, Wurzel?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
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