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REPORTED for BUYING and SELLING in GLOBAL?

I have just been reported for trying to BUY and SELL in Global chat. 

Is everyone being reported about this? Don't people buy/sell/trade all the time in Global? Emblems, Icons, cubimals, food, drinks etc?

What am I missing?  I've worked REALLY hard at this game up until this point, and have supported and helped MANY glitches out since I have started this game. I really don't appreciate this kind of complaint when EVERYONE does it.

Here is the letter I got from a staff member. Please just give a reply and tell me if I am being way out of line here?

Hello Jessica,We have received reports of your using the Global Chat channel as a way to purchase and sell items. Please use the Marketplace forum or Auction House for those, so that the Global Chat can be free to discuss the game. Continuing to use the chat channels improperly may result in your being temporarily silenced from using them.

Posted 10 months ago by Jessenya Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Best to take a step back, breath, and count to ten. Yes, people do use Global for such things, but it's being discouraged now that there is a Marketplace Forum.

    My unsolicited suggestion is not to take this event seriously and continue playing as you have been doing; just avoid using the Global Chat for buying and selling.
    Posted 10 months ago by Mal'akh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I do not think you advertise excessively and I think  you have greatly contributed to my enjoyment and understanding of the game.  Others may be pushing the line, and when they do, it seems to get totally taken care of with just a couple of clicks.  
    Posted 10 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I may be overreacting a bit since my daughter DID play my account when I went to dinner.. and spent 1.4 million currants on cubimal boxes (I was outside a toy vendor)  She bought and dropped them all. (Staff cannot fix this either)

    I'm sure some glitchs out there are happy campers. I'm a cranky momma. It's been a bad day in glitch world right now. 
    Posted 10 months ago by Jessenya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yep, this is a warning--- its not like anything is happening over this now-- which is why they are warning you not to use it, probably so if you didnt know to make you aware.
    Posted 10 months ago by blackwidow Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow, I didn't know it was wrong.  I've just occasionally used it to find items to trade.  I figure it's easier to find a trade that way because I know for sure the other person is online (hate playing phone-tag with forum posts).  That's kinda sucks if we can't do that anymore.  Whoever reported you is a real meanie.  They could have just blocked you, but no, that's too easy I guess. :(
    Posted 10 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm glad I read this. It's all too easy to use global for selling & buying because when you do... It's to find someone readily available to make a trade. With marketplace forums it's hard to figure out when that trade can happen; being 'in-game' at same time...
    Anyway I guess that's just how it has to be from now on... *:/ There are groups that are just for buying & selling specific items where chat is devoted just for that. Like 'Cubimal Traders' group.
    Posted 10 months ago by Smallchalet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My thought is that if this IS a rule, then it should have been stated somewhere, clearly, before any warnings or infractions are given.  Since it has NOT been posted anywhere as a rule, CLEARLY, then Jess has done nothing wrong, and the staff member should have consulted other staff first.  Seems to me that this staff member was just having a bad day themselves.

    The one part of what the Staffer said that just really sticks in me, is so that the Global Chat can be free to discuss the game   OK.  Fine.  But that means no more off-topic discussions either, right?  I mean, advertising to sell something is FAR more related to the game than the various political, vulgar, off-colour, totally unrelated to anything in Glitch discussions, yes?

    Personally, I rarely look at marketplace forum, and I seldom buy from the auction (unless I'm in a hoarding craze)  I LIKE being able to see things like that in GC.  As do many others.

    Create a Trading Chat channel.  I'm far more likely to keep that open than GC, considering I don't care for most of the discussions in GC.
    Posted 10 months ago by Malc Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That email is unfortunately written. It does sound like orchestrating trades/sales in Global is not allowed. If that is policy, fine. But if so, it should be stated somewhere.

    I do get the warnings about spam. I FULLY agree with that. (In general I find ads in Global somewhat annoying if done more than once every 30 minutes.) 

    ETA: Beyond this incident, there are broader changes to trading/selling coming, so all of this may be moot.
    Posted 10 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Add a global marketplace channel to chat.
    Posted 10 months ago by Clockwork Rabbit Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Although I don't chat much on global (my netbook is hard to type on) I do lurk a lot. Jessenya doesn't spam but there are some who do. These are often newer players and they are told by the people using chat that they are out of line.

    I haven't advertised anything on global but have responded to a call for something required urgently, is this likely to get me into trouble too?

    There is one really annoying thing that happens on global and that is begging. I don't mind the occasional ad at all.

    ETA : "temporarily silenced" does sound a bit harsh and it must have been a bit upsetting to get that when there are so many others popping up throughout the day.

    Just my 2p worth.
    Posted 10 months ago by Miss Parsley Subscriber! | Permalink
  • oh man, see, huge debate popping up, its because when something is said over and over as a sale/buy, it gets kinda spammy, just think, 10 people advertise what they are selling 5 times an hour, thats alottttt of messages and gets quite annoying, anyone whos played any other MMO's knows how spammy it gets, even though its not by one persons doing. and TS wants to avoid that, and they are working on there little fun trade things, and said they are going to make designated area's to use it in, i think thats a good idea. thats all they are trying to do. thats my 2 cents.
    Posted 10 months ago by blackwidow Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Jess...I think you probably got the notice because you wrote..."im spamming. i dont care." Maybe that rubbed someone the wrong way.
    Posted 10 months ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Jessenya, occasional invitations to trade are ok, but when you start to use Global as a channel to frequently advertise offers out of the context of the general conversation, it verges on spam and should be avoided. The warning you were sent could have been clearer on the point that it really comes down to an issue of volume. Imagine if everyone in Global were using the channel for advertisements in that way -- it would become very cumbersome to read through. We do sympathize with the fact that right now it's difficult to advertise your trades within the game (and that will be remedied in the future), but for now the Marketplace forum is the best place to post trade or sale offers. 
    Posted 10 months ago by Blanky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Somebody should create a marketplace group, covering all things that would wind up in the marketplace forums. This way, if youre interested in looking out for stuff like that in the chats, theres another channel thats not global chat for you to be able more frequentley advertise in a chat channel.

    I hope this makes sense.
    Posted 10 months ago by Popcorn☺ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I use it to sell things, and it's unfair that you were reported. Do you know who reported you?
    Posted 10 months ago by gracerigney Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have to agree with both Malc and Lord Bacon-o on this. I do not think Jessenya overposts her sales, unlike others, and have never considered her a spammer. The marketplace forum serves a purpose, insofar as it allows people to post what they have available, but it is not always useful if you wish to buy something immediately and at least you know if the person is posting in Global they're online and accessible. 
     
    In terms of what constitutes an appropriate topic for Global Chat, it certainly strikes me that it is currently used for subjects other than to 'discuss the game'. In fact, I have seen people told to go to Live Help or Glitch Strategy to ask general game questions as they were in the wrong channel. 

    I thought Global was where people 'hung out' and pretty much anything was up for discussion. Most people seem fairly laid back and obviously some threads will be of more interest to some players than others. Should other users be reported for talking about knitting? do we need a 'cat owners'channel' or one for food? As long as users aren't advertising their emblems, cubis, icons or whatever every 5 minutes, it's fine by me. 
    Posted 10 months ago by dipity Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am appalled at the kind of things people get reported for in Global chat these days.  I really think that the staff would prefer to just shut it down.  
    Posted 10 months ago by Jewel Stoned Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't see your advertising as spam- it's helpful to know which cubimals are for sale and you reliably have a wide selection. At least in my perception, you are "the" cubimal source. However, TS has a point- if everyone used global that way, it would be unbearable. (Sorry...) But if we can't post ads in global, what can we talk about? A trade chat would be amazing (to the ideas forum!), or in the meantime a marketplace group would be pretty useful.
    Posted 10 months ago by Fernstream Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The report wasn't issued TODAY.. I just had notice of it this evening.   I think I've done nothing too wrong here. But that's why I wanted to ask
    Posted 10 months ago by Jessenya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Imagine if Global actually had anything to do with the game.
    Posted 10 months ago by Katniss Mockingjay Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Isn't purchasing and selling stuff the whole point of glitch? (well not the whole point but part of it.) Trading is a lot funner than auctioning. There are auction snipers stealing all the herbs you put up at a cheap price instead of selling them to real buyers. You can barter in a trade instead of only money in auctions. There's no badge for buying auctions. You cant sell cubimals in auctions. Everyone always overprices everything in auctions. And auctions costs money to put one up, while trading costs nothing wasted. And the problem without using global is, you can't spread the word about anything quickly without global. Almost no one reads marketplace. What's the chance someone who asks for something in Marketplace is on by the time you read it? And given the extremely high prices, auctions are unreliable too. How are you supposed to notify people about anything without using global?
    Posted 10 months ago by AwesomeCardinal2000 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • why wasn't blocking Jessenya sufficient enough for those who were so annoyed
    Posted 10 months ago by Fur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'll be honest, I've blocked many a person for advertising sales in global. If i see a trade/sale offer here and there I don't mind. You've got to reach your audience somehow. However, when all I know you for is your trade/sales advertising then yes, I do have issue with that. I haven't reported anyone (i don't think I have anyway) for advertising but it is an easy way to end up on my block list.

    Jess- I don't know if your sales posts have calmed down lately but yes, you are on my block list because of how frequently I've seen you advertise cubimal sales in global.
    Posted 10 months ago by Avery♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Jessica - The problem with your using Global chat for buying and selling is that you have failed to think about what would happen if everyone did what you were doing.  How many Glitchen can use Global chat as a marketplace before it turns into the Glitch equivalent of late night TV?

    TS responded to the problem of general forum being overrun by want ads, and created the marketing forum for that purpose.

    ***********
    And yes, I report people for using Global chat as if it were Craigslist or Freecycle.
    Posted 10 months ago by Tsu Dho Nimh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I rarely log in without seeing you selling cubimals in Global Chat, Jessenya. While I don't think you are spammy about it, it is quite repetitive.  I appreciate that you ALSO contribute to discussions/chatting which is why I think people don't perceive you as spammy, and why people don't want to block you even when they don't appreciate your sales announcements.  If anything, take that as a compliment.  Your selling gets in under the wire most of the time because you contribute positively to the group discussion. People who pop on Global just to shill their stuff are way more noticeable, and hence way more irritating. Reporting you was kind of drastic but also a clue that not everyone appreciates the constant sales pitches.  It doesn't seem like a big deal to take your announcements over to Cubi Traders, the Marketplace forum, or other relevant groups. 
    Posted 10 months ago by Miel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have to agree with both Malc and Lord Bacon-o on this. I do not think Jessenya overposts her sales, unlike others, and have never considered her a spammer. 

    I disagree.  I didn't file any report, but Jessenya announces her high end cubimals every 10-15 minutes or so for hours on end.  That is spam. 
    Posted 10 months ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Do we need an official marketplace chat for a while 'til we have a better in-game market?
    Posted 10 months ago by Inspirare Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I advertise in Global, cubi's and emblems mostly. I am unaware of any defined policy disallowing this.

    Whilst I agree that repetitive offers could be interpreted as spamming, that is solely one persons opinion against that of another, in the absence of a clearly defined rule.

    No-one has done anything wrong here. Complaint investigations should be just that; an investigation taking into account input from all parties involved, and a considered decision as an outcome. 
    Posted 10 months ago by Daddy Bunchie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I do think buying/selling could become a bigger issue in Global Chat when the game opens up to the masses. 

    By the way...

    I have an Uncle Friendly for sale! Serious offers only!
    Posted 10 months ago by Jesus Christ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm mostly concerned about the "so that the Global Chat can be free to discuss the game" portion of the response. Global chat does discuss the game, and it offers assitance to those who come asking for help frequently. BUT global chat is almost always off topic. Was that just poorly worded, or is reporting off-topic chat something that is following these rules?
    Posted 10 months ago by MsKelseyClaire Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I also blocked you for the... quantity of advertising you did in Global. For which many folks had commented their... lack of support -- which I recall you ignoring or blowing off.

    I would hazard a guess that you have been reported multiple times, this is just the first time they have decided to issue you a warning shot.

    I wish you the best of luck, and sorry to hear you lost 1.4mmc
    Posted 10 months ago by Sturminator IX Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Funny thing is everytime I have been to Cebarkul the last few days I have seen  Jessenya and the reason why I remember you so well is you type a paragraph advertising cubimals and then you leave, lollll....But hey I read and I keep selling my stuff to the tool vendor, rofl
    Posted 10 months ago by Queen Zipporah Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm sure this isn't obvious to most people, but Jess is actually selling cubimals on behalf of others.  What happens when she stops?  A lot of people who want to sell cubimals start doing it themselves.  Jess is really more of an answer to the "What if everyone was using global as a buy/sell list" problem than part of the problem.  If you don't want to buy high end cubimals then you can block one person instead of many people.

    I don't think this warning takes the broader picture into account.  The community guidelines tells us there is no right or wrong way to play, but here we have a glitch who carved out a niche for herself and invented a role for herself to play in the community, and we have official word that it is the wrong way to play.  People don't like salespeople or advertisements in real life either, but they are an important part of the economy.

    But most of all, I feel that if TS strongly believes that this behaviour is bad for the game, they should have articulated that in a policy, or perhaps explained to Jess why she would no longer be allowed to do so, rather than warning her for doing something that was, unbeknownst to anyone, wrong the entire time.  I'm sure she generated many complaints and reports, but I can think of some other people who surely have as well.  I would tend to think the answer is, "If you don't like what a particular person has to say you can block them," and I don't understand why that wasn't the answer in this case.
    Posted 10 months ago by Humbabella Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you bring up the "what would happen if everyone did this" argument, remember that Jess sells for a lot of people, including me. By selling for other people, she has actually made the rate of spam in global decrease by around 4 or 5 people. That sounds like a good thing to me. Thanks for all the help you've given me with selling! Sorry for the problems it caused :(
    Posted 10 months ago by Herb Herbally Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nowhere did TS say that Jess was playing the wrong way. What they did say, in a nutshell, is that there are places for the sales advertisements and global is not one of them. They specifically created a marketplace for such sales. If you're looking to buy or looking to sell I recommend you go look there as there are many MANY users advertising sales in the correct place.

    Like I said early, personally, one or two posts in global advertising sales/trades doesn't bother me at all. Whether you're selling for yourself or for others, a LOT of sales posts in the global chat channel does warrant getting blocked from me as its just annoying and detracts from any conversation being had.
    Posted 10 months ago by Avery♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I should probably check my e-mail once in awhile. If you've been reported for this, I can only imagine what people have reported me for. Then again, I won't look and just continue to cross my fingers as the game loads..."c'mon mushrooms, mushrooms, yessss, we gots the mushrooms, we're in!"
    Posted 10 months ago by N2ZOrtolanaBlue Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just wanted to point out .. as many have already done so... that MOST of my cubimals are OTHER gilches cubimals.   I offer to sell others for no cost at all. I enjoy helping others and I don't feel that I spam CONSTANTLY in global.  I AM guilty of doing it a fair amount in the past, but have toned it down quite considerably.

    I find that the report mentions the BUYING and selling are not allowed in global.  Everyone buys and sells in global when it comes to emblems, icons, swapping items etc. The fact that I am the only one that seems to advertise cubimals doesn't mean I should be reported. 90% of my cubimals are from others.. so they don't have to spam.  I would say that I cut DOWN on the spamming.

    I am going to continue to advertise in trader groups, forums and sometimes local chats... but will only acknowledge myself in global chat as being online, instead of throwing prices out. 

    I had no intention of annoying or hurting anyones feelings. I do appreciate the support, and hope from now on I do not have to be 'blocked' or reported.

    And for those who have blocked me, I personally apologize and will have no issue if you continue to block me.. But I am always going to be hopeful that you may change your mind eventually.

    So sorry that I was so upset about everything. Yesterday was a very stressful Glitch day for me, and I shouldn't of been so sensitive about the subjects at hand.

    I love and thank everyone who has supported me in the last day.. and I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart.

    --Jessenya 
    Posted 10 months ago by Jessenya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The fact that I am the only one that seems to advertise cubimals doesn't mean I should be reported. 

     That doesn't appear to be why you were reported  As Staff posted above

    occasional invitations to trade are ok, but when you start to use Global as a channel to frequently advertise offers out of the context of the general conversation, it verges on spam and should be avoided. 

    Which is what I and many other observed.  You sent a message to global about your high-end cubimals every 10-15 minutes for hours and hours on end.  That is spam.  Quit trying to avoid admitting it.  

    I just wanted to point out .. as many have already done so... that MOST of my cubimals are OTHER gilches cubimals.   I offer to sell others for no cost at all. I enjoy helping others

    Not an excuse for spamming.    
    Posted 10 months ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whoa, hold on a minute..... okay, so imagine this: jessenya stops selling for everyone else, and therefore people have to sell stuff on their own. Global is flooded with a bunch of people spamming about this cubimal and that cubimal, all at once, so that no-one gets a word in edge-wise, because everyone is to intent on selling their stuff. I would rather have jessenya sending out a message every 10-15 minutes, than have some noob come along who thinks he's got to own the conversation by selling everything in his pack! jessenya sends out a nice, short message, that tells people who might have just logged on that she's selling cubimals. She doesn't annoy me! The marketplace forum usually doesn't work out because people can't coordinate their schedules! If you want to have a quick, easy, non-spamming chat, then let one person do all the selling instead of making everyone bog down chat with their individual junk!
    *vent* :{
    Posted 10 months ago by RJStormRider Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you Jessenya, and I hope today is better. Warnings are just that, warnings, and are meant to let you know that it's worthwhile to make some adjustments -- not to punish. 

    It's worth mentioning though that questions you might have about a warning or other notice from staff are best asked in response to the original email. I'm going to lock this thread, because it doesn't seem that a discussion around advertising in Global overall should highlight any one player's practices in the forums. 
    Posted 10 months ago by Blanky Subscriber! | Permalink