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Optimal grinding ratio for obtaining equal numbers of elements

Has anyone worked out the number of sparkly, beryl, and dullite you should grind to keep your elements roughly equal with not a lot of extra waste?

Posted 14 months ago by Onath Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I haven't. Seems I need Green more than I need the sparkly though. I use heaps of green!
    Posted 14 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Why would you want this?  As soon as you use any of them the quantities would be unequal again...  To avoid waste or loss, I keep a whole bunch of element pouches on hand and grind into empty ones.  The excess I contribute to shrines.
    Posted 14 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think the better question is "What the heck can I make with so much Red Element?" Because I end up with way more Red than anything else.

    A second question is "Is there ANY reason to mine Beryl?" Because as far as I can tell, Sparkly will get you pretty much equal amounts of everything Beryl gives plus Shiny Element, and Dullite is the only option for Green Element.
    Posted 14 months ago by TRB4 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Great idea, Parrow Gnolle. I hadn't thought of that! 

    I think finding the number of sparkly and dullite would be nice but the spare elemental pouches will work ok for until I find what I need. I never need red but would like more blue sometimes, more green others. I know green is dullite but I'm not sure what to do for blue!
    Posted 14 months ago by Neatly Sliced Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @TRB4 I mine Beryl just to put on the auction and believe it or not people buy it! Probably because it's cheaper than sparkly if they don't need many shiny elements.
    Posted 14 months ago by Neatly Sliced Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As I mentioned, the Gods really like elements.  Take those excess reds and put them to good use earning emblems or toward fast learning.
    Posted 14 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If I recall correctly, 5000 Red Elements only gets you 100 Favor to a Giant. Not great returns.

    1 Element = 0.02 Favor

    Which means that if Elements did have a currant value they would be worth 0.2 currants.

    Only Shiny Elements get you a decent favor donation.
    Posted 14 months ago by TRB4 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • it's not great returns, unless you consider you're just losing red element otherwise. if you think of it as 100 FREE favor, then it looks a lot better. I wouldn't grind just to donate the elements, but when my red gets full I donate it.
    Posted 14 months ago by Niqster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A slightly more complicated question is what are the right proportions of dullite and sparkly to make Shrine Powder (and the right proportions for other powders)?

    Note, anyone know which other powders to people tend to make? 
    Posted 14 months ago by SacredBob Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I make fertilidust and fertilidust lite all of the time, far more than I make shrine powder. Great for helping trees or to use in highly harvested areas to replenish the supply since there's a delay before someone can pet/water again. Also for saving wood trees!
    Posted 14 months ago by Neatly Sliced Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I make friendly acid (blue - red) to avoid wasting red or donate big amounts of red.
    Posted 14 months ago by Natalia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I make EHSP and No-No. Nothing else. I also have five element bags that i try to keep full all the time. 
    Posted 14 months ago by Papa Legba Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As far as the right proportions of what to mine to make each powder, I use this helpful app made by agent86:

    GrindOTron!

    It will read your inventory and tell you exactly how many of any type of ore you will still need to make your selected powder. Very very helpful.
    Posted 14 months ago by TRB4 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok I've done a bit of spreadsheet work and these are the numbers I came up with for how much of each rock to make to produce one of each powder.

    Extremely Hallowed Shrine Powder - 172 Sparkly, 103 Dullite
    Fertilidust - 40 Sparkly, 23 Dullite
    Fertilidust Lite - 14 Sparkly, 12 Dullite
    No-No Powder - 13 Sparkly, 17 Dullite
    Powder of Startling Fecundity - 148 Sparkly, 251 Dullite

    This'll leave you with spare Elements as follows

    Extremely Hallowed Shrine Powder - 1135 Red, 1 Green, 3 Blue, 57 Shiny
    Fertilidust - 55 Red, 4 Green, 0 Blue, 10 Shiny
    Fertilidust Lite - 60 Red, 0 Green, 1 Blue, 9 Shiny
    No-No Powder - 2 Red, 137 Green, 0 Blue, 41 Shiny
    Powder of Startling Fecundity - 0 Red, 1511 Green, 2 Blue, 543 Shiny

    Btw, why does your grindotron need to access my glitch character?
    Posted 14 months ago by SacredBob Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For most reasonable rock valuations (minimum favor value, minimum number of chunks, etc.), the optimal rocks to grind for EHSP, rounded up for a single powder, are 102 Dullite, 9 Beryl, and 163 Sparkly. This gives you 1265 red, 2 green, 3 blue, and 3 shiny left over, with 176.6 favor worth of rocks ground.

    If you'd prefer to eliminate beryl from the mix, you can stick with 103 Dullite and 172 Sparkly. That gives you 1135 red, 1 green, 3 blue, and 57 shiny left over, with 178 favor worth of rocks ground.

    There is no grinding ratio that produces equal numbers of elements.

    (on preview: looks like SacredBob basically got it. There are a few powders for which Beryl makes a big difference, though. For No-No Powder, the best stuff to grind is 7 Beryl and 6 Sparkly. For Powder of Startling Fecundity, you want to grind 51 Dullite, 90 Beryl, and 58 Sparkly.)
    Posted 14 months ago by Pillow Guerrilla Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It accesses your inventory to see what ore and elements you already have, SacredBob, so you don't have to. :)
    Posted 14 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I find ingots to be a better use for elements then powders. You loose money on powders and make money on tools.I have a very very complicated spread sheet. The elements market is a fascinating math problem.One thing I've found with all of my mathing is that red elements can't not be used up efficiently. You will always have extra. Donate them imo.
    Posted 14 months ago by Caspur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • SacredBob's calculations are some pretty nifty spreadsheet work.

    That said, I think it's inevitable that some elements will get wasted during grinding particularly when, like me, doing it in bulk quantities. I find that imbuing plain metal ingots to be a very effective way to drain red elements, so I agree with Caspur with his opinion.
    Posted 14 months ago by Wein Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I mine Beryl almost exclusively since I only have Mining 1 and all I'm after is the last 2 gems I need to complete the trophy.
    Posted 14 months ago by Mal'akh Subscriber! | Permalink