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Cooperative Mining

Now that you've had more experience with the "help mine" mechanic, what do you think of it?

Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I like it a lot but people are still sticking to their own rocks. Yesterday I accidentally mined a rock Nanookie was working on and I freaked out, though she didn't mind, lol. Though, at the same time, when I come across a rock and it's the only rock I've encountered for a while, I'll mine part of it, even if someone else is mining it, because of that added element of altruism (HELP mine, lol). That and the fact that we both get something out of it. I actually really like it.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • After you, my dear Alphonse!
    No, you first, my dear Gaston!
    Posted 18 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • one of the things i like about it is how even if you aren't talking or planning there is a subtle communication that goes on between players based on who is mining and who is helping.

    like once i was helping mine for someone and they gradually and obviously purposefully started slowing down their tempo until they started helping me.

    it was neat!

    very much "after you!" .. "no .. after you!" during the transition phase.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I find myself a bit torn on it.
    Yesterday I was down in the depths making a beeline for rocks that other people were mining because I was telling myself I was "helping".
    Today I'm feeling the opposite... if someone's mining a big rock of Sparkly then they probably want as much as they can get. If I join in then, ignoring the help bonus, they're basically getting half as much rock aren't they?
    I guess the answer is communication: "do you want all that rock or would you like a hand?"
    Posted 18 months ago by Snazzlefrazz Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "If I join in then, ignoring the help bonus, they're basically getting half as much rock aren't they?"

    not really, if you think about it.

    imagine a street with two rocks and two players.

    Scenario 1] both players split up and mine separately. Each player ends up with around 50 chunks.

    Scenario 2] both players help each other mine one rock at a time. With bonuses, each player gets around 30 chunks per rock and 60 chunks overall.

    so they aren't getting "half as much rock", because the alternative is depriving them entirely of the rock you elect to mine instead.

    when all is said and done, both players end up with significantly more chunks.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Good point. I guess it depends on where you are.
    If you're in the depths of the caverns with 2-3 Sparkly rocks on every street and not much traffic then it's no loss - you share this rock and then you share the next. Bonus!
    But if it's the only rock around or there's enough people mining that the other rocks will disappear by the time you finish with this one, then it's a little more inconvenient.
    Posted 18 months ago by Snazzlefrazz Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My view is...just ask! Whatever your views on mining are, asking is just plain old good manners and stops that awkward moment when you don't know what to do, that way everyone's happy!
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think there is a need to ask, since the item menu is 'help mine' - it begs the question for you and new people coming into the game will see it as such.  I'm not saying that niceties aren't nice - they are - but there can be many many people mining in the cavern at any given time and asking each one of them or then having to explain the reasoning would consume more time than had I just started mining.  Before the help menu, I was more inclined to say, sure, ask, whatever.  Now, I kinda think that because the question is built into the menu, it's not needed.

    It's interesting how the new locked street more or less compels people to group mine because there might be only one spawned rock but 3-5 of us in there.  But as soon as multiple rocks spawn - bam - everyone to their own rock.  So the math that striatic points out doesn't seem to be that well known, because even in an environment that pushes people to co-mine, if possible, people will split up to mine. But striatic is right - on a street with 2+ rocks, everyone makes more rock by co-mining.

    I still think an early mining skill quest could be helpful here to explain the benefits.  Or that the rock bonus comes with a rainbow, which it currently does not.
    Posted 18 months ago by zeeberk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree, there's no need to ask. That's the whole point to the change. You can certainly ask if you want to, but don't expect other people to.
    Posted 18 months ago by FrankenPaula Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For the sake of taking a second to ask the question, you rule out the possibility of upsetting people that see mining as a more solitary pursuit. Whether you just assume that your viewpoint is correct and see no need to ask is a personal decision but you really can't complain if people aren't happy in response. It is a volatile subject and even with the new help option, there are no hard and fast rules, therefore no one person is either wrong or right, no matter how much you believe in something. It doesn't hurt to respect others views too.
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • there's no need to ask.

    the game makes it clear to the person you are helping that they are benefitting from you helping. unless they are on a quest or something, it is no problem. if they are on a quest, they can drop a note or just say something.

    there is a "non zero" cost to asking. every second you spend asking is potential bonuses evaporating, and people get annoyed by having to field constant requests.

    "it never hurts to ask" is a demonstrably false statement.

    for every rare person who feels that helping them get MORE of what they are trying to get is somehow rude, we will have far more people who will find constantly fielding yes/no "may I help" type questions even more rude.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think many of us still have it ingrained in us to not do it. We spent so much time thinking it was rude.

    All it would take to change that post-launch and for most of the population is a quest.
    Posted 18 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • regarding the "if there is only one rock around" scenario ... it doesn't change much of anything.

    two players, 1 rock

    scenario 1] the players take turns mining the whole rock. each player ends up with 50 chunks each.

    scenario 2] the players mine together, twice. each player ends up with 60 chunks each.

    in this case, one player will have to wait a regen cycle to get the additional chunks, which is a penalty of sorts, but the extra chunks do compensate.

    which gets back to the original issue of "getting to the rock first makes it MY rock" being a nebulous concept at best. denying everyone else, including yourself, the additional chunks just to maintain your feeling of "ownership" over the rock does seem bizarre to me.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sharing between two is great.  Sometimes, though, if there are three or four people mobbing a rock because they think sharing is the way to go (like with barnacles or peat), it gets annoying.
    The rock disappears in seconds and everyone ends up with about 10 chunks each.
    Posted 18 months ago by Tradescantia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have spoken to many people who don't like sharing rocks, enough to know there are more than just a few of them out there - and quite a few of them feel bullied into keeping quiet about their views as it is seen by others as incorrect, something which I personally feel is wrong. Therefore I'm sure you will find certain groups of people making their voices heard much louder than others when it comes to this subject. 

    I also disagree that good manners are ever wasted...unless you are prepared to help each other mine it is entirely possible that you can get less rock, a view that seems to be conveniently overlooked by those in the 'yes' camp.

    At the end of the day I am expressing a viewpoint which some people will agree with - and some will disagree with - which is exactly what you are doing too. There is nothing set in stone which forces either of us to agree with each other - and that's fine. One of the appeals of Glitch is that you are allowed to make choices of your own - and that is exactly what people will do, no matter what either of us think.
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • trad, 10 chunks each over the four rocks that would have been mined separately is forty each.

    spread around the +3 bonuses for mining in a foursome and you get an additional 6 each.

    so that is about 46 each versus 50 each.

    BUT you are making an unfair assumption, as five per swing is the bare minimum output. 7 is just as common as 5 and the average is more like 6.

    so you should be awarding people more like 12 per rock, which puts us at 54 versus 50, and less energy expended [this is a more difficult to explain factor, stoot put it like "you don't all have to spend energy to remove the final nub of rock"]

    so even there group mining wins overall.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @striatic - with all the figures, percentages and statistics that can be stated, have you ever thought that some people just feel more comfortable playing a more solitary game? In which case a few pieces of rocks either way, will make no difference at all.
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I also disagree that good manners are ever wasted...unless you are prepared to help each other mine it is entirely possible that you can get less rock, a view that seems to be conveniently overlooked by those in the 'yes' camp."

    first of all, this isn't true. the only way you could possibly get less rock is if you flat out stopped mining due to having you sense of personal ownership over a public rock disrupted. purely psychological. if you just keep mining away, disregarding the other players entirely, you will end up with more rock. period. not overlooking anything there.

    you don't consider it at all "rude" to think you own a public rock just because you arrived at it first? because that is all this is about, since it certainly isn't about chunk output, is about maintaining that sense of ownership over something that, well, you don't own.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "more comfortable playing a solitary game" is just another way to say "they feel ownership over any rock they find first".

    glitch is not a solitary game. it is a shared world with shared resources and the delusion that people will back off "your" rock just coz you stepped up to it first is silly, coz it isn't "your" rock.

    talk about rudeness.

    I used to never step in on a rock before coop mining because all things being equal, why not allow people that false sense of ownership? indulge their psyche, since there was nothing to lose by it but with the coop mining system all things are not equal anymore.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's not about what I think is it? as I already said, people have their own views and each side of the argument deserve to have those respected and not bullied into agreeing with something that someone else believes is correct.

    Also, as I have already stated, some may just prefer their version of the game to be a little more solitary, something which you may also disagree with - but once again, that's just down to personal opinion.
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • the "more solitary" argument is just cover and we both know it.

    before coop, no one came into help or global chat complaining about how they were being bothered by other people playing near them or making them feel less alone.

    no, they'd complain about people jumping in on "their" rock. it was all about ownership.

    and if this really is about "solo play style" which it isn't .. why are you requesting people stop and ask permission every time they see someone on a rock? wouldn't that be "disrupting their solo play style" by asking them to respond? forcing them to be social when they want to be solo?

    let's not kid ourselves. this is all about sense of ownership, entitlement and misunderstanding of the new mechanics of mining.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I wasn't aware I was kidding anyone, I am merely putting forward an alternative point of view which you disagree with. I'm not quite sure what you think this is 'cover' for?

    You have made your mind up and that is fine - that doesn't mean you have the right to force your opinion on anyone else though.

    It's never a good move to assume what people think my friend, as you will often be proved wrong. Simply agree to disagree and carry on with life. 

    Have a good day x =)
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • what is your alternative view based on? months of people very socially complaining about people complaining about other players jumping in on "their" rock metamorphosing to "preferring solo gameplay" overnight?

    and then having the audacity to call other people "rude" because they don't feel like increasing the time they need to spend mining by something like 10% and also decreasing the other player's output by the same amount.

    this stuff adds up to hours and hours of wasted time mining. to my mind, grinding is a penalty for poor gameplay and the less time you spend vegetating your brain doing it the better.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 Morticia. I completely agree, people should be more open to realizing that not everyone shares *their* opinion. Its not very attractive when a person tries to mow down anyone who disagrees with them. But, oh well, some people just have to be "right", and have the last word. In the end, it changes nothing. Some people will always have a different opinion. Get used to it, they're not wrong, just different.
    Posted 18 months ago by Phoebe Springback Subscriber! | Permalink
  • To be honest I'm too tired to read anything but the last couple of posts but I would like to say that people are going to do what they're going to do and what they're comfortable with, and the rest of us are going to react how we're going to react and how we're comfortable with reacting. In other words, mine another's rock if you want to, ask if you want to, risk pissing someone off if you want to... but everyone seems to have valid points and valid concerns and it does still seem like there are a few kinks to work out. To be honest, I think the whole debate would abate if the bonuses in "shared mining" were a little higher. Just a tad.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's not just a matter of opinion - the game rewards cooperative mining.  

    This is a fact, it is not an opinion.

    Otherwise, it's like saying, well, some may like to donate to shrines, it's not the way I want to play, my opinion is to avoid shrines.  Fine, never donate to a shrine then, because then you will never get favor, emblems, or level up in a reasonable time frame.  Sure, you can choose to not play the game's mechanics, but that is your opinion, and the game's reality is that donating to shrines rewards you.

    Likewise, the fact is that the game rewards cooperative mining.

    Those who want to solitary mine are ignoring that the devs changed the game to encourage cooperative mining.  They may want to mine solitarily, but the game is designed to reward cooperative mining.  Som, those who want to mine alone should know they are going against the grain of the design and not be surprised if they get help mining from a passer-by or do nto get asked for help.  Because it's not build into the game.

    If you want solitary things to do, then go for the things you can do solitarily - like cooking or bean seasoning or tree harvesting.  That's you choice and where your opinion can be put into action.
    Posted 18 months ago by zeeberk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Zeeberk, like I said, I think the disagreement and matter of opinion may come from whether or not the rewards for cooperative mining are "enough" to satisfy users.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Maybe, Cerulean, but when someone says that they want to be solitary when they mine, that does not imply that the perks aren't there.  It's pretty clear that some people just don't want to share a rock, period.

    That said, yea, I think the bonus does need to be better or come with a rainbow or more XP.
    Posted 18 months ago by zeeberk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'd hope more people would be really happy to share their rock if they actually got more out of it when someone helped mine than if they were to go at it alone! Haha. Then we'd be LOOKING for people to come help us mine! Lol
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And I do love the idea of a "SUPER MINE!" Haha.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's funny really, we're conditioned to accepting to a life that is restrained by rules and regulations - you'd think people would appreciate the chance to do some 'free thinking' in a game - but some of us seem to need firm rules and a second chance at 'hard reality'. Personally I enjoy the freedom of being able to have your opinions and not being tied down by other peoples opinions....it's a whole new world....allow people to have their own views and just enjoy the game, real life is shit enough - why would you want to repeat it?!
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Cerulean - I think supermine is a fab idea!!
    @Phoebe - exactly! everyone's entitled to their opinion, frankly it's not worth bitching about

    =)
    Posted 18 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ?

    But your trying to impose a rule that people ask before helping is "free"?  I'm sorry, but it seems you are trying to impose rule and order here.  You don't want to mine with others, great.  I don't care how you play. But when I start to mine your rock, I'm being 'free' in my play, too - not 'rude'.
    Posted 18 months ago by zeeberk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • morticia, would you still say, after all of this, that it is rude not to ask to start mining someone's rock?

    cerulean, increasing the collaborative bonus might help, but what this is really about is sense of ownership and no bonus chunks will never remove that completely.

    so we will always have 'free thinkers' demanding people ask permission and apologize all the time.. ironic as that is.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Considering that you guys are preaching the joys of cooperative playing, I don't understand why you're so up in arms about actually communicating with other players when it comes to cooperative mining. It's not like there's any non-verbal communication as there would be in real life, nor is it that hard to say hi in one of the various chat options especially since you can't do anything else while mining.

    I can say for myself that having been a tester since alpha it was disconcerting when I started mining today (the first time since the change) and all of the sudden there was this silent glitch following me who I had neither met nor spoken with before. I think their intent was to help me mine, but it would have been nice had they spoken at all instead of shadowing me, especially when I moved from the first rock to the second. 

    Perhaps if I were to come in now that would not be so strange, but when I started mining there were no rewards and you did get less when someone joined you in a rock. It wasn't like trees where you both get fruit or beans, so it was frustrating to have someone jump on the same rock you were mining and have to go searching - sometimes for quite awhile - to find the same type of rock when had you been able to mine it alone you would have had enough to finish the quest you were working on. Yes, it's psychological, but we are psychological beings. 

    If this is truly something the devs wish to promote then I agree that a quest would help a lot. Bigger benefits would as well, ones where you actually get more per single rock for helping as opposed to less, but even more so a quest.
    Posted 18 months ago by Zara Wunderwoot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't know what I think...I mean, call me selfish, but at times it gets annoying. One place it bugs me is Ajaya Bliss. It's just...if I'm mining a rock, and there's another one in plain sight, some people will ignore it and 'help' me, and I end up with 24 rock chunks. I've actually had people follow me around mining all of the rocks I was, when there were others available. I guess the Help Mine feature makes people feel completely free to jump in with anyone, and it can get slightly bothersome.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As I mentioned in global, mining has been one of the things I enjoy doing in a particular rhythm.  I like to find one street that's not heavily trafficked and learn its pattern of regrowing, hopping round and round as each rock regenerates and figuring out the optimal order of operations to get the kind of rock I need (sparkly for money, others for grinding).
     
    It's not about it being "my rock" or whatever silly ownership claims people keep making, it's about a style of play that I enjoy that maybe you don't.  All the arguments that BUT YOU'LL GET MORE CHUNKS is not compelling to me because, while getting chunks to grind or sell is part of the goal, I'm not a skinner rat and that's not my primary goal - my primary goal is having fun.  And what's fun for me is that kind of puzzle of figuring out the best timing on a particular street.  
     
    And I agree with whoever said it was creepy to have someone shadowing me without asking, after the third rock I teleported home because I felt like I was being stalked and couldn't figure out a polite way to say "bugger off dude".  Unless I've agreed to do some party mining, I don't like feeling stalked or coerced into it for sure.
     
     
    I find it ironic that those who demand to be able to mine whatever rock they want are claiming that anyone who disagrees with them are the selfish ones.
    Posted 18 months ago by Fleep Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i had so much fun mining with someone who asked if i wanted to tag team the area. We just went from rock to rock and cleaned house. it was lots of fun and silly sometimes too as we alternately overshot, fell off or missed landings. It took the edge off of the grind and if i was a faster typer, i would have typed lol or hahahahaha more. it only happened once so far, but i think this is the way to go. while everyone has a valid position and the game play did change, there is room for all here, why not play nice? really, if i mine your rock what are you gonna do? not send me mail? jump over me? ignore me in the subway? omg. if you want to play a more solitary game and i touch your rock, hit 2 and give me the mad face. at least it will be good for a laugh. maybe you'll laugh too. or simply move a few spaces, jump a little farther. There is plenty of rock, plenty of time and much more room for fun. ps. lighten up - maybe the silent ones are shy. @striatic - rock on.
    Posted 18 months ago by coolbettycakes Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I find it ironic that those who demand to be able to mine whatever rock they want are claiming that anyone who disagrees with them are the selfish ones."

    but in mining every rock we are actually granting them bonus chunks. i don't understand how it is selfish if you are causing someone to have extra.

    selfishness is keeping something all to yourself, not giving things away for nothing.

    you can't learn the "rhythm" even if people adhere to your strict "this rock is mine, back off" policy. people will mess you up not by mining with you, but by mining in advance of you. you'll have your rhythm going and .. oops! someone else is camping your planned next rock before you get to it.

    unless you get your timing down so pat that you are denying all other players any opportunity to touch a rock in your general vicinity .. in which case who are you to talk about "rhythm" when you are actually talking about domination.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, when it happens it's not like I boil over with rage or something.  I'm all about people playing however suits them and if the game allows it, it's legal.

    Just pointing out that there are lots of different play styles and just because someone's preferences or style is different than yours doesn't make them an evil demon of epic proportions.  ;)  
    Posted 18 months ago by Fleep Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "just because someone's preferences or style is different than yours doesn't make them an evil demon of epic proportions."

    i never said that the attitude was selfish because it was a different style of play than mine.

    people garden solo in their homes all the time, which is something that i almost never do. i don't care, nor should i.

    the problem isn't "different" the problem is "selfish" .. ie. denying other people resources based on your desire for dominion, and then calling them selfish or creepy when you don't respect *their* play style.

    there's little wrong with straight up good old fashioned competition either .. but the situation here is not "out competing" other players through effort or intellect, but attempting to out compete other players by promoting social norms .. calling them selfish and creepy stalkers.
    Posted 18 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Striatic:  I sure as heck never expect ANYONE on the intarnetz to adhere to a strict anything, let alone my play style.  I simply enjoy making a puzzle out of mining.  

    How you can interpret that as "domination" is truly beyond me.
    Posted 18 months ago by Fleep Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Striatic:  The point of the forums, as I understood it, was to help the game devs get a sense of what aspects of the game people enjoy and how some people perceive the same game elements in different ways so they can make good design choices.  I've merely been weighing in on the discussion to provide my feedback.

    I guess it boils down to this - you either care about how other people feel, or you don't.  I hope the devs do and consider multiple point of views.
    Posted 18 months ago by Fleep Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm genuinely curious here -- this question is to the people who think that others need to ask before helping.  Is it that difficult to say, "I'd rather you didn't help me mine, but thank you," or something along those lines?  It seems to me that it's far more likely that you can control how you react than your being able to control how other people act.
    Posted 18 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i saw two people mining together, like as an event. it was an awesome idea- they were walking the world, co-mining.
    Posted 18 months ago by greenkozi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • OMG, I love that, especially if a higher-level player paired with a lower-level player as a mentor or something. I think there should be an official way to "link" to another player as mentor-mentee and you guys go through the world together until the mentee hits a certain level, like 6 or 7.
    Posted 18 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mining is my fancy... I don't mind either way, I just like playing ;)
    Posted 18 months ago by spindrift Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Everyone who says that asking isn't a problem is wrong, because I have asked a handful of times, even after the mining changes, and a lot of times people don't notice I messaged them, or don't care, and I sit there for several minutes waiting for a response and hear nothing.  Then I'm even more confused.  Does that mean the person doesn't want to share?  Are they ignoring me?  What is going on?  I must have asked 20+ people in the past couple tests, and thus far only two have responded.  So YES, asking if you can mine is both a waste of time and detrimental if you are trying to quickly get resources.

    Everyone does have different play styles.  But what I see here is GROUP A, and group A promotes coop mining because it is beneficial to everyone.  However, GROUP B has called group A rude, creepy, selfish, and several other insulting names.  How bout those in GROUP B respects GROUP A's play style as well.  You ask us to respect yours (aka ask before mining), while I am asking you to respect my play style (mining rocks without asking so I don't waste my time).  Why should I compromise my play style for yours?  I am tired of wasting my time asking, when its beneficial to all parties to share.

    And what stri said is the most important thing said in this entire post, cause its really the only argument that makes a whole lot of sense: Those people who are calling GROUP A selfish, are being hypocrites and selfish as well.  It is 1000000 times more selfish to claim a rock for your own then it is to share with others.  When I mine off another rock, I have the best interest of myself and the other person at heart, and I will often be "creepy" (another insult thrown out by GROUP B) following people around mining with them and allowing them to mine first so that only they are getting the extra chunks, because I care to help them.  But you are all saying that is selfish, while claiming an entire rock to yourself and not caring if it benefits other people to mine it too and saying "Well it doesn't fit MY play style" or "I only get 24 rocks instead of 50" you are being EXTREMELY selfish.

    What you should be saying is "I only got 24 rocks, but I helped another player get 26 rocks".
    Posted 18 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok, I read most posts more or less.
    About helpig mine: The first thing, before discussion about selfish or polite, is awareness .
    I started playing 11th of june (a week ago), and only started mining yesterday.
    Helping someone mine is completely new to me, I learned of it in this thread, I didn't noice it ingame. Probably because I don't expect such a thing, I played many games where you just mine it all solo and whre other miners are competition, a threath so to say. It didn't quite cross my mind that you could help eachother.

    I also heard dicussions about killing trees to get empty patches, which are needed for loam to build streets. People cure trees (=no empty patch) or plant trees(=no empty patch, loam).
    I think replanting and curing is done by many (not all) out of ignorence about the need for empty patches, the effect it has on the world is not clear.

    Therefor I think it would be a good idea to point this out more in the startquests. The startquests are mostly about how you get around solo (at least, that is what I remember of it). If the emphasize would be more about the effects your actions have on the world or others it would make me think more about my actions and their consequences, and what possible effect it could have. Make people more aware that there are more possible interactions with stuff then the actions you have currently available to you, or that there are often benefits if you do things together.

    Talking to people is polite, if someone would stalk me without saying a word I would get annoyed. I'd like to mine with others once in a while just for the chatter. On the other hand, I have to go afk for short or longer periods due to RL and I can't plan those. I wouldn't want my teammate to have to wait for me all the time or have to announce going afk (as I would be doing it very often I'd annoy myself). If someone is following me and I would go afk I feel no need to tell them, but they are maybe waiting for me. So to me, communication is very important if you want me to do something or stop doing something. Or expect something.
    Posted 18 months ago by Miriamele Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Cupcake... above you saidOne place it bugs me is Ajaya Bliss. It's just...if I'm mining a rock, and there's another one in plain sight, some people will ignore it and 'help' me, and I end up with 24 rock chunks.

    I would challenge you to find a group of 3-4 people... start at the top, then mine your way successively through the rocks as a group. Ajaya Bliss is actually one of the most beneficial streets as far as cooperative mining goes, because the rapid spawn rate means you can *see* the immediate effects. 
    Basically, a group of 3-6 can mine their way from top to bottom in an endless loop (a bigger group builds a few seconds to eat / drink) - the spawn rate outpaces the time it takes to cooperatively mine the number of rocks. The end effect is actually an increase in productivity... because the rocks are being mined within seconds of re-spawning and there is no wasted time in the process. 
    Mining is only painful in Ajaya Bliss when someone is determined to mine the rocks solo.
    I actually spent a good hour mining there in this manner with a group of people. The energy spent versus the volume of rocks / rewards was in fact much higher for all involved with the cooperative mining when compared to the energy / rock / reward of solo mining - but we only kept track for a 15 minute span. Follow the math out a step (this can apply anywhere in the world), even if you co-mined just one more rock, you net positive because of the bonuses.
    Posted 18 months ago by Travinara Subscriber! | Permalink
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