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BREAKING: EAST/WEST SPICE MASS TREE POISONING!!!!!

Info on the 10/14 East/West Spice mass tree poisoning....-WEST SPICE, 13th Primuary, 11:15 PM-

Fellow Glitchen,

I am sorry to report that the spice trees of East Spice,West Spice,and Flipside have been systematically poisoned and destroyed not by the Rook, but rather a group posing as some of us.Thanks to the efforts of many Glitchen both old and new, West Spice and Flipside have been almost completely re-stored. The spice trees of East Spice, however have been replaced with Gas Plants and Bubble Trees. The battle of Spice vs. Gas has existed almost as long as Ur itself, but this battle is quite different.

There is good reason to believe that we have been Raided.

Having witnessed this destruction myself, I can tell you it was like nothing I have seen. I had heard rumors of a planned mass tree poisoning and convinced myself that that was all they were. Rumors.
I saw a group of ,well, let's call them "trolls" acting as one to accomplish their selfish goals. I say "trolls" because they seemed to take delight in being unnecessarily rude and harassing nearly every Glitch that crossed their path.

One "troll" in particular boasted of the distant lands from which he hailed, though I am doubtful that he was telling the truth as I have traveled to one of these lands quite frequently and have many wonderful tales to tell. Other "trolls" chose to follow Glitchen at a close distance as if they wished they could somehow steal from them. Still others chose to toss verbal bait to incite insults.

At first glance, their goal appears quite simple: Create a shortage of allspice so that auction prices rise, then be sure that they are the only ones selling allspice. As allspice is a much-needed commodity, they stand to make money and gain control of the market. New Glitchen who do not have the resources to grow and maintain a Spice Tree would be forced to buy allspice at an inflated price. The only alternatives would be for experienced Glitches to donate or sell Spice Beans to new Glitchen, or to let them into their homes to harvest from trees in their backyard. The first option is inefficient, as allspice is required for certain quests, and the second is quite risky unless one doesn't mind having things stolen.

There is another possible reason: Some "trolls" find it pleasing to ruin a community by any means they see fit. Of course, should they be revealed as outsiders or spies, their fun is ruined, and so they make every attempt to blend in for the time period required  to complete their objectives. Once the time is right, they set their plan in motion and and vanish. In this case the plan might be to drive new Glitchen out of Ur and set the rest of Ur's children against one another by toying with a rather important yet common commodity.

Or still, the plan may be to promote a cause by disrupting our daily lives in a manner that is inconvienient to us. I have heard tales of a faraway land in which something quite similar is rumored to be happening as I write this.

Whatever the reason for this action, I will stand to protect East and West Spices from those who seek to destroy our community. I ask that my fellow Glitchen both new and experienced remain peacefully united against "trolls"  who seek to destroy what we have built together.

Reported by Glitch DJTch7

Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Well said.  Trying to restore order to East Spice is proving difficult but I have faith that spice will prevail!  Trolls tend to have short attention spans.  They'll move on to something else soon enough.
    Posted 14 months ago by spunsugar Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So let me get this straight. When people go into Ix to destroy gas trees that is all "in the spirit of the game and okay," but when people go into Ix and destroy the spice trees that is labeled as trolling? That's kind of ridiculous. 
    Posted 14 months ago by Sethy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • it's because the spice trees are supposed to be there for the new players to have easy access to allspice.  Also, there are players working on the Cooking skillset who don't have lodging and a yard to plant their own spice tree, so east/west spice is also convient for them as well. I don't like the idea of destroying ANY trees, to tell you the truth.
    Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sethy: I think it's twofold. 

    1. the harassing and seemingly coordinated behaviour of a group of Glitches is not really in the spirit of (what I have experienced) of this game.
    2. There's a section of Ix named "Spice" - seems that the giants intended spice trees to thrive in this place. 

    Also having one place where you know you can harvest spice is very useful.
    Posted 14 months ago by Eldorian Subscriber! | Permalink
  • DJTch7, your point could go the same way with gas. This to me is an extension of the whole spice/gas war in Ix.

    I'm not saying I agree Eldorian. I, for one, have always been a fan of there being a spice side of Ix and a gas side of Ix. My point is that most of the people in favor of spice in Ix have always wanted it to be completely spice and nothing else and used arguments that really don't have much basis or don't fully paint a true picture of their points. Should East Spice, West Spice, and Flip Side be spice? To me yes, but at the same time Baby Steps, Groddle Ladder, and the other street should allowed to be gas. 

    Also for a long time now people have been going into the "gas side" and killing off those trees and constantly making those spice. Just saying.
    Posted 14 months ago by Sethy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's 100% Legit to poison and replant and move on. There's legitimate reason to do that. There is no legit reason to stand in a zone for 5 hours and just spam antidotes whenever someone goes to poison. To me, that is clearly against the interest of yourself and the game. It can't be 'fun' or be considered 'play.'

    That's what these guys were doing. They were just standing in a zone antidoting. And, this isn't trolling. Trolls try to do as little as possible to get as big a reaction as possible. These guys were trying waaaay too hard to be considered trolling. They're tryhard sociopathic people. They just want to see the world burn.

    Which is fine and all, but the active staff on duty (god love her) wouldn't see it that way, and she insisted they were being legit. My contention with this was that I was doing something similar (in the distant past) to what they were doing, but not even half as egregious, and I was thrown in timeout. So I think the staff have a lot of discretion because it was a different staff that threw me in lockup.

    It got worse as they joined our spice group and were teasing us in there. They were pretending to be all about protection of trees, and insisting they were doing it for achievements. Anyone with half a brain could see that they were being smart asses. They were clearly getting a rise outof their actions. Whatever. It doesn't really bother me. I enjoy it when Ix is in flux. I enjoy scape shifting the land. I think that's the only real venue we have as players to have influence on the overall game.

    Tonight, I didn't get to do that because players were aggressively antidoting. For me, it shows that antidotes need to be balanced more. Because if a group can antidote this aggressively for that prolonged of a period, it shows that even when outnumbered it's easy. The problem is that poisoning costs 4 times more, and it costs mood. So antidoting needs to be balanced so that poisoners can overwhelm antidoters.

    Simple as that.

    edit:
    Sethy,

    You want logic?

     Spice is home to the central station of food makers. The ix grocery store is a central crux for making food. It also have a tool vendor only a few zones away. Spice is essential to making food. Therefore, Ix should be spice.

    Gas is actually more plentiful overall than Spice. Check Zog. (Right now there are 107 gas to 27 spice!) Gas is possible to plant in the same number of zones as spice, but yet it is more aggressively planted outside of ix because of the notion that ix is so full of spice. The real situation is that gassers tend to be more teritorial and more of the tyrants than spicers. This is because they firmly believe spicers are trying to get spice everywhere. The fact is, Spicers just want Ix. Gassers can have everywhere else.

    Spice is used en masse. Gas is not. What recipes are people requiring a lot of gas for?

    This one isn't just for spice/gas. But it makes logical sense to have centralized areas for each plant/tree type. If we designate areas to specific tree types, we can know right where to go to collect a specific resource. For example, if bogs=gas, ix=spice, heights=bubbles, meadow=beans, forest=fruit, we can isolate our binds to specific areas and collect what we need rather than waste time going to areas we don't need. This was just an example. Bortola is also considered bubble central. Beans/Fruit seemed to be mixed together, and that's fine I guess. But the overall idea is a logical one.

    What more logic do we need to provide?
    Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nobody ever makes a thread about the mass gas tree poisonings on the western half of the island where they actually fit in with the scenery. And as for harassment? I was just in East Spice to enjoy the party that seems to be going down, and all of the harassment and verbal insults were coming from the spice side. Both parties are behaving like children and I find it to be extremely comical to watch. It's the only thing that keeps me coming back to Ix these days, as I get far more gas and spice than I need just running through Jethimadh and Kalavana every now and then.
    Posted 14 months ago by Toksyuryel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No comment on what did or didn't happen. I was in Ix just now and was able to harvest enough spice (and gas) to feel like it was worth the trip at least. One tree too small to harvest, and one hole in need of planting was all. Trees are sorta rearranged.
    Posted 14 months ago by gimmegames Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There are so many things to make currants in this game. Allspice is needed in like 3/4 of everything you do in the game. I understand this supposed to be a game we can influence, but come on your trying to  screw the community over and ruin the game for the rest of us.
    Posted 14 months ago by Big Giant Head Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I support market manipulation! KILL THE TREES!!!
    Posted 14 months ago by Electric Wizard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Toksyuryel,

    I don't get it man. At first you said you antidoted my poisoning of that tree because you just wanted to get an achievement. Now you're saying you prefer that part of Ix to be Gas because it matches the scenery. So you really are a territorial gasser imo. I don't know why you would make up what you told me, but that's cool.

    And yes, I am the 'spice side' he was referring to as the 'verbal insults.' Dude, I called them on their BS. I wasn't verbally insulting them. Everyone who was also making remarks about their age etc was calling them on their BS. Those guys were getting away with murder, and no one was happy about it.

    The other thing is, when Ix is all spice plants, most people who go there are happy. A lot of people pop in GC and cheer about how great it is to see Ix as all spice plants. No one pops on GC and says, glad to see Ix is half and half! No one pops on GC and says glad to see Ix is all Gas! The gassers are the tyrants. They just feel they need their half of Ix... just because. But why? They have gas plants every where. Check Zog.
    Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The spice must flow.
    Posted 14 months ago by Jessabelle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hypothetically, there's nothing stopping a large group of well-minded Glitcheen from, say, poisoning every gas and bean tree they find and replacing them with spice trees, is there?

    Not that I'm saying this is a solution. *cough*
    Posted 14 months ago by Snarkbutt Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg, you illustrate my point precisely. Yesterday Spice and Gas were actually equal. You can't go off current numbers because it is being skewed by the current events. Yes spice is essential to food, but the amount of food that you will be making in a day will not depend much on 13 extra spice trees in a localized location as opposed to those 13 trees being elsewhere. 

    I really don't like the idea of homogenizing areas with one type of tree. Inevitably what you are doing is creating issues like this where if someone goes in and destroys some of those trees it leads to war. Just look at the forums and you'll see a topic now about bubbles. The problem is that you are undermining those people who use the trees you don't. Just because you don't see a value in those trees doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't see a value. 

    People here are constantly saying that Glitch is yours to decide how to play. I've come to terms with the fact that I can't tell people not to destroy gas trees in Ix, but at the same time people need to come to terms with the fact that you can't tell others not to destroy spice trees. It's a two way street. 
    Posted 14 months ago by Sethy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Current numbers are not that inaccurate. Kalavana usually has a few more spice, but it's usually like 60-40 or 70-30. Gas is always more than Spice. Track Zog and you'll see.

    There's no reason to go to Ix for gas if it's so plentiful elsewhere. Especially because Gas just isn't used as much as spice. Bar projects, whatever. I could understand if Gas was heavily needed and not readily available. But that couldn't be further from the case.

    You may not 'like' the idea of homogenizing areas, but it doesn't mean it's illogical. It has good sense behind it. Or do you refute that as well? Originally your problem was that there wasn't any basis behind wanting an Ix with just spice. But there is.
    Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Current numbers are. Kalavana used to be far more spice than gas up until recently. As I stated, current numbers have evolved from the events that are currently happening. To use those numbers to argue that gas is more plentiful is a fallacy. Yes there are more currently, but historically there has been far more spice than gas.

    There is no logic behind it. Your whole argument revolves around convenience. Ix is the far most convenient place for trees because of how concentrated it is. Thus it takes far more time to harvest an equal amount of gas. Not everyone has hours and hours of time to devote to the game to make sure every new day they can harvest everything they want. So why should the spicers get that benefit exclusively? Make the area both. That is clearly the fairest solution to everyone. 
    Posted 14 months ago by Sethy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You know, gas/spice is old. If someone wanted to /actually/ troll everyone, they'd replant the entire of Groddle with bubble trees.

    Just sayin'
    Posted 14 months ago by Saro Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Throughout modern history, spice has been a commodity worth battling over.  Columbus would never have encountered North America except for a desire to gain access to spice.  The Venetian, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and English economies were build on spice trading.  The Spice Islands, The Spice Road, The Dutch East India Company, The British East India Company, Batavia, Macau, Banda, Molucca, Calicut, Pondicherry, The Malay Peninsula  - the quest for spice reverberates in names and places where brave captains steered their ships in hope of profit. 

    Why should Ur be any different?  Black pepper, nutmeg, mace, cinnamon, cloves, ginger - all worth fighting for, all worth risking your fortune, and your life.
    Posted 14 months ago by Kookaburra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, senseless tree poisoning has been an ongoing topic of debate and disdain since alpha and beta... it has spurred outcries of contempt, despise and scorn and will probably continue to do so. As sad as it may seem, it has found its way into the game and will likely be something we will have to accept. The only way to eradicate bad with good is to be resillient and vigillant. So far, I have never encountered any world that doesn't have some kind of controversy and evil, but without it, there wouldn't be any reason to do good (so they say!?).
    Posted 14 months ago by GOHEMI Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eh its fixed. It really isnt that big of a deal. Just poison the gas, replant the spice, move on. Its going to happen.  However, the currents numbers are:

    104 Gas Plants: Kalavana (42), Jethimadh (34), Chakra Phool (14), Ix (9), Ilmenskie Caverns (2), Uralia (2), Besara

    32 Spice Plants: Ix (22), Chakra Phool (5), Kalavana (3), Jethimadh (2)

    We really dont need more gas. Just my opinion, though.
    Posted 14 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This is most likely the "next phase" of said plan. Members of a troll group find threads relating to their actions and attempt to discredit anyone who calls them out on what they've done. They try to do this in such a manner that it looks like the person doing the calling out is the instigator. 
    Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The problem with a tree war is that it's unbalanced.  The time it takes to grow a tree to usefulness far exceeds the effort it takes to kill a tree and plant something different.  I suspect that's why trolls/griefers/people who think they're clever like this particular fight -- it lets them stay ahead without even trying.

    I would be much more interested and amused by a pig war.  That, at least is about equal -- the amount of work it takes to empty a street balanced by the expense and time it takes to raise one.
    Posted 14 months ago by knitmeapony Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you for posting the statistics, Innie.
    Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Also, I cannot stress this enough: East and West Spice are there to help new Glitchen easily harvest the spice they need to level up and complete quests SO THEY DON'T GET FRUSTRATED AND QUIT PERMANENTLY. If you wish to poison/replant/harvest elsewhere, fine. East and West Spice need to be left alone, though.
    Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i'm not really sure about that claim that the purpose of east and west spice is to benefit new glitchen, since these streets long predate the relative rarity of spice trees. don't get me wrong - i have been a proponent of a thoroughly spicy east and west spice since tree poison was first imagined. but to talk about purpose like that is just silly. just sayin'...
    Posted 14 months ago by katlazam Subscriber! | Permalink
  • /care
    Posted 14 months ago by Victoria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • IMHO, the people who are for spice trees are MORE POWERFUL then the people who may want to try to eliminate them. People may be able to eliminate spice briefly but im confident the spice will make a quick return each time.  I know because i have tried...but i have given up because i think its  a wasted effort and i think its more worthwhile to focus on poisoning trees elsewhere.

    PS i also stopped because it got people mad at me. I may like to be a bit evil but im not  a troll/jerk like these group of people seem to be.
    Posted 14 months ago by Riddleguy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I didn't play in beta.  I would have been really lost looking for spice if I hadn't noticed streets called East and West Spice on the map. Going there and not finding spice would have been very frustrating since as it's been mentioned you need it very early in the game for quests.
    Posted 14 months ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I say put a letter out with all their names and spread it far and wide so that the world knows who the enivornmental destroyers are! Save the Spice, It's Nice! Save the Spice, It's Nice! #occupyix
    Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Touch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What I don't understand is, it's three streets you never have to visit if you don't like spice.  And if you do need spice, you easily understand the value of having three streets of it easily available.  I know I can find spice in Jethimadh and Chakra Phool, and I do, but it won't supply the amounts I need for cooking, it only supplements it.

    If what you want is gas, there are several streets planted with only gas, but there aren't the same numbers of them, and they're not so adjacent.  But I want to hear from someone who uses >100 gas at one time in crafting on a regular basis.  I think that would help me understand the gas enthusiast's viewpoint.
    Posted 14 months ago by Scarlett Bearsdale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's interesting that stoot addressed this in an interview with Kill Screen yesterday:

    "Seems like there are opportunities for mischief too.

    Really early on we introduced tree poison. And immediately somebody formed a lumber company and went around poisoning all the trees in public areas. Because once trees are dead, you can chop them down and get planks. They knew, totally, when they did this it was going to piss a lot of people off. But it sparked a lot of emergent play. Suddenly there was a tree protection group using in-game chat channels to coordinate and run around with tree-poison antidote, following behind the poisoners.
    "
    Posted 14 months ago by BarryW Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr.Touch - I am not sure if that is forbidden by the TOS that the giants have handed down to we Glitchen. I will research that. 
    Also, is it true that this " Occupy Ix" is inspired by the ongoing events of other faraway lands? I have not heard as many tales and rumors of "Occupation" lately. Is it that their Giants have abandoned them to Rooks and other foul beasts? I may write about what I have heard soon.

    Glitch DJTch7
    Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Are people really arguing that E/W Spice should be gas? That seems like a strawman.

    I mean, people are trying to implement that, absolutely. I'm pretty certain the entire reason people are trying to put gas there is to piss other people off, not for any actual 'gas-is-good' reason.

    From what I've seen, those people who are good intentioned and want gas in Ix want it in the 'yellow' half of Ix - Baby Steppes, Groddle Ladder, etc, not to remove it from Ix entirely - that's just deliberately trying to stir up controversy.

    Anyone who is up in arms about the entire thing should probably take a step back... The reason that this continues to be a problem is because people are making a big deal about it. I think ultimately it will even out to half/half as it satisfies both sides, though people will routinely mess with the balance. But it'll even out.

    What you *shouldn't* do is get so angry at a troll or group of trolls that interfere with your view of the zone that you go ahead and deliberately antagonize someone else. That's negativity that feeds into itself. Just because someone has replanted the yellow side with spice doesn't mean to declare war on the Spice streets. Just because someone put gas in East Spice doesn't mean you need to clear out all of Baby Steppes in return.
    Posted 14 months ago by Abby Smalls Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not commenting on what happened, or why, or who did it... everyone has fair right to play the game the way they want to, and I think that's what makes Glitch an interesting social game.

    However, to quote Sethy - "Should East Spice, West Spice, and Flip Side be spice? To me yes, but at the same time Baby Steps, Groddle Ladder, and the other street should allowed to be gas."   

    Yes, I like it when both trees are set up this way living in harmony... so you will find me replanting gas trees on Groddle Ladder when I have the time (on a side note - the other day I was replanting some trees and a player came by and put antidote on the tree that I just poisoned. Was my gut reaction to want to splank the crap out of that guy, sure. But my head said - well that's all part of the game!). Just the same as you would find me replanting spice trees on West Spice. Why do I like the even flow of both these trees? Because I have a teleport spot set up at West Spice, and it nice to be able to hit that area and get all the spice & gas I need in one trip. Also, afterward you can make your way up and out to the fruit & beans trees in Groddle. This, to me, is all very convenient.    

    So now you might say - Well, why should YOU have things the way YOU want?!, and that is true, why should I? But then again - Why should you, or anyone else? **Disclaimer - This is a generalized thougth and not pointed at the OP or anyone in-particular.** 

    ETA - @Scarlett Bearsdale  "But I want to hear from someone who uses >100 gas at one time in crafting on a regular basis."

    When street projects are available, I participate, and they require a lot of every resource. The amount of energy my glitch will use on just one phase is insane... and some phases require thousands of units of gas.
    Posted 14 months ago by Sadie the Goat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Abby, I think you've hit the nail on the head. It was the treatment of other Glitchen that was a major issue.  The "trolls" were deliberately baiting others into insulting them  as well as hurling a few insults themselves.

    If the Giants were to imagine a a system in which certain trees grew best only in certain areas of Ur things would get quite interesting. Say for example, I decide to plant a fruit tree in Groddle Forest. If the soil there was well suited for fruit trees, the tree would produce well. If it was better suited for bubble trees, then a fruit tree might still produce, but not as well as if it had been planted in soil suited for fruit trees.

    I have heard that in other faraway lands this is the way gardening works. I have also heard that they can grow Oranges on trees, no fruit changer needed. I'm taking that with a pinch of salt for now.

    Glitch DJTch7
    Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks Sadie.  I'm not disputing your point, but it made me think that the thing about street projects is that they use a lot of different kinds of things, not just gas, so the sudden overwhelming need for whatever is needed "right now" is evenly spread.  First you'd need a lot of one thing, then that phase is completed.  Street projects also come and go, and you can stockpile stuff in your house against such needs in the future when you can.  I need spice every day, just like I need beans and fruit and meat and eggs and sparkly and metal and so on every day for crafting projects.  I guess there are many people making flaming humbabas and other things that need so much gas?
    Posted 14 months ago by Scarlett Bearsdale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ScarlettBearsdale I regularly run through anywhere from 1500-2500 gas when I go on a seasoned bean run. Fruit tree beans (which provide 60XP for 15 energy) required 9 spice and 6 gas per bean. If I'm on a grind of 300 beans, that's gonna take 1800 gas - some people DO indeed use large amounts gas (although admittedly, not as much as spice).

    @knitmeapony The notion that it takes more time or effort to bring a tree to fruition than it does to kill it, is also totally wrong. If you use Fertillidust Lite, that tree's gonna be at full health faster than it took to actually kill it. 

    I never played in Alpha or Beta, and quite frankly, am extremely surprised to see this kind of reaction from most of you fellow Glitchen. You guys seeeeeriously need to take it easy - there's no way that this SO dramatically effects your enjoyment of the game, that you would have to come online and complain about "people killing the spice trees" or "people killing the gas trees."

    To me, Glitch has always been a game filled with... positivity. When I read a thread like this, it actually makes me want to quit playing. Not because people kill spice trees. Not because people kill gas trees. But because people are so wound-up, that they come on here an complain about such stupid stuff.

    This is all aside from the fact that, in the auctions, gas vapour and allspice are almost ALWAYS the exact same price. In fact, WAY more often than not (on my seasoned bean runs), vapour is MORE EXPENSIVE than allspice. To all the complainers on BOTH sides - stop complaining and use the auction house for once.

    My two currants,
    Gustavo Fring
    Posted 14 months ago by Gustavo Fring Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For my two currants, I agree with Gustavo - I never played in alpha or beta, but what drew me to Glitch was the fun, self-aware humor in the game and seemingly inclusive and open-minded community. This whole 'THE TREES, MY TREES' debate really distresses me as a player. Can't we all just get along? There's no need to behave so childishly - no one owns this game, all our little Glitches have got to coexist.
    Posted 14 months ago by Trabbles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks Gustavo, that's what I was curious about.

    Hugs to all, my fellow glitchen.
    Posted 14 months ago by Scarlett Bearsdale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Should East Spice, West Spice, and Flip Side be spice? To me yes, but at the same time Baby Steps, Groddle Ladder, and the other street should allowed to be gas."

    And this I agree with.  I never touch the other streets. Let the gas live there!!  I love Baby Stepps as Gas!
    Posted 14 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That's what I work towards as well.  East, West, and Flipside (with sometimes a few gas there).  The other streets gas.  That way everyone has equal easy access to both of these limited commodities.
    Posted 14 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wind Born, Innie- I think that's a good idea.
    Posted 14 months ago by DJTch7 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • dear god, this entire thread is retarded, and I feel bad for bumping it.  I seriously hope you ALL logout, sit down, and think about what you've said here today.
    Posted 14 months ago by Btaylor Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The same yawn. It's always the "they're killing all the spice trees in Ix" story. But so far I have not heard of anyone taking the other proactive approach... gather a group and plant more spice trees elsewhere. Why does Ix have to be the only spice stronghold?

    I also feel like I have to point out that one of the main cornerstones of the Glitch design is that players get a chance to change the world (see 1). It's what will keep the game exciting and mutable in the long run and not just another Flash game that one "completes" then leaves. Glitchen need to stop taking things so personally and realise that they too can make the change that they want to see.

    That's right. I'm challenging YOU to make the difference. More spice trees outside Ix.

    1. http://venturebeat.com/2011/09/27/tiny-speck-launches-zany-social-game-glitch-with-giant-imagination/
    Posted 14 months ago by Byte Crook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I want to point out for Mr. Dawgg about the balance of antidote and poison. It's quite balance in my view. Poison cause bad mood and is expensive to buy while antidote is cheap to buy.

    You poison the tree; it died so quickly. You plant the tree; it take longer to grow. We get to spend on Fertilidust which is quite more cost than poison.

    ETA: I want to add one more thing, I'm not against the Spice/Gas War. It's fun to read the OP report. If there is no Spice/Gas War, no report.... b.o.r.i.n.g.
    Posted 14 months ago by Inspirare Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think the real problem is that there needs to be a better balance between the USE of spice and gas. Why do people hate gas trees? Because gas is under used, it doesn't have as many uses as spice does. This is the problem. Make gas more useful and people won't despise it as much.
    Posted 14 months ago by TRB4 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, Gas are useful right now. :)
    Posted 14 months ago by Inspirare Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I only ever used gas to make cocktails and beans while just about all my food/drink making skills depend on spices. =\
    Posted 14 months ago by Elly Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm happy to hear this is finally happening.

    If you don't like what people are doing within the confines of Glitch, learn the proper skills to counter them.

    This game would get stagnant if all we did was mindlessly collect and craft.
    Posted 14 months ago by a lifted pixel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't hate Gas. And the reason that no one goes to Ix and fills it with just Gas is because they don't want Gas. As expressed here multiple times, they just want balance. It's an OCD like desire to have half and half. Or it's based on how the colors of the plants mesh with the background.

    Sethy, I have been a spicer for a long time. My experience has been that Spice outside of Ix is a rarity. Recently a friend and I made an effort to fill Kalvana with Spice. I will give more credit to my friend. In spite of this, Spice was still a minority. There were 60 gas plants to 40 spice plants, IIRC. Yes, recent events have caused a greater rift, but it is what it is.

    Why haven't spicers made efforts to go outside of Ix? Because at the end of the day, we're cool with just having Ix. What basis other than balance, or looks do gassers have for Ix? Convenience? You get 13 from Ix if it's balanced. This isn't enough to sate the need of the 'thousands' for street projects, the only proposed use for mass gas. So let's agree that as far as projects go, 13 trees doesn't matter. Why?

    Chakra Phool has 14 by itself. You get 31 from Jethimadh. What you lose from convenience, you gain in supply. Should we really aim to balance every zone for Spice? Many have tried, but again, from experience, Gassers are the Tyrants not the Spicers. Gas pops up outside of Ix every time it tries to get a foothold in another area.

    Ok as for Antidote vs Poison. The problem with Antidote is that if someone wants to, they can do what these two did. This is  highly disruptive in my opinion. It would be fair if we poison whatever they plant and then they poison whatever we plant. There would be back and forth progress. A tug of war. Eventually one side would lost monetary resources. Everyone would get extra harvests. It would be a more worthwhile time investment. As-is, it's people hyperspastically running through each zone antidoting with no loss of resources. It's not fun for anyone except those who get a rise outof being sociopathic.
    Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
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