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mining the rocks

I think I read this but is it true that  you have to mine a rock all the way down so that it will regenerate, If it is true I wish people would do that,  I know though if there is a little bit still there I can mine it the rest of the way,  but then whoever does is only getting a little bit.  Anyway I was just wondering about that.  

Posted 16 months ago by Emerald Fern Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Yup, that's right. And yeah, lots of people get annoyed when others don't mine rocks all the way down. The thing is, most new players don't know that - they actually think they're being polite, by only taking what they need and leaving the rest for other players.
    Posted 16 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah you have to mine the whole thing. I don't know why but people have stated mining it part way like 2-3 tests ago. It is quite annoying. :P
    Posted 16 months ago by Piratice Subscriber! | Permalink
  • sometimes I have left notes asking them to mine all the way down and telling them why they should, don't know if anyone pays any attention to the note,  but I guess it is worth a try.  Also thought about leaving a note by every rock I go by but haven't because I don't want to go to that much trouble.  Would I get in trouble for littering if I did that hehe
    Posted 16 months ago by Emerald Fern Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes it's one of those things that is eventually learned in the game...we've asked for there to be a quest that describes this aspect of the game better especially for the newer players...maybe there will be one eventually.

    Before they nerfed the gem collecting, I found that I regularly got a gem of some sort for mining the nubs (at least one gem for every two nubs or so)...so while it might have been just random luck (and I do have mining IV now), it made me feel like I was getting rewarded for 'taking care' of the nubs.  

    I find there tend to be more nubs in the heights since that is one of the three entry points for new players.  Also seem to be more in the caverns than in the deeps...probably for the same reason - more due to newer players not realizing the regeneration issue of leaving nubs.  
    Posted 16 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • When I first started, I never mined rocks all the way down. I wasn't being lazy, I thought I was being nice and leaving some for others! Then someone saw me do it and let me know the deal. 
    Posted 16 months ago by La_La Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, always practice safe-mining! It's like eating all your veggies!
    Posted 16 months ago by MeherMan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nobody actually mentioned this to me until I was already doing it the right way- I don't think I started mining a rock all the way until I figured out I could drop them into the shrines... I'm sure I inadvertently cheesed a lot of people off that way.
    Posted 16 months ago by Djabriil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I usually mine the whole rock, but there are also many times that I only partially mine. I really don't see this as a big deal. I have finished off many half-mined rocks, and I'm sure when I leave a half-mined rock someone else eventually finishes it off. Who cares if I finish the rock I start or someone else does?
    Posted 16 months ago by lovintnt Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's just nice to have a whole rock and not part of one especially when using the earthshake,  kind of expense to just waste.  
    Posted 16 months ago by Emerald Fern Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The deal is, if you take the whole rock the person behind you can get a whole rock.  If you take half the rock, the person behind you can only get half a rock.   Make sense?  If you run around not finishing rocks, you're limiting someone elses mining take. 

    I get OCD about rock stubs- i mine them down whenever I see them. 
    Posted 16 months ago by Feylin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So, if I drink an earthshaker, which then allows me to mine a whole rock and get half-way through the rock next to it, I'm required to waste another earthshaker in order to finish that half rock? No thank you. I understand your point that you like to have a whole rock, but I just don't think it's important enough that I have to finish EVERY rock that I start. I will continue to play as I have been.
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Last test, some clever person mined every last rock in Ajaya Bliss down to a nub and then skedaddled.  That was kind.
    Posted 16 months ago by Sheepalot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ugh, Sheepalot! That WOULD be annoying!
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Audaria Of course no one us suggesting you waste another Earthshaker to cut down a single nub. We're simply pointing out that it is impolite to leave nodes half-finished. You can do with that what you will, but it doesn't change the fact that it is not a very nice thing to be doing a lot.
    Posted 16 months ago by Skwid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I never said that I leave nubs. I usually finish the rock, but it is NOT "not very nice" to not finish the rock! And it is NOT "impolite" to leave nodes half-finished! The fact is, that it is impolite to expect anyone else to conform to the way you think the game ought to be played! Maybe I only have enough energy or time to mine half a node. Or maybe my bag gets full. Or maybe something else comes up. Or maybe, I just don't feel like finishing that one rock. The point is, unless you know that I have some evil intent in leaving half a node (or whatever portion) you have no business saying that I'm being impolite. And personally, there have been times when I've been happy to find half a node. Sometimes I just need to top off a bag slot, but really don't feel like doing a lot of mining. If you want to finish off every rock you encounter, go ahead, but don't expect me to do the same.
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • it is possible to be rude without 'evil intent'.

    people can be rude due to a "lack of consideration" also.

    if i park my car in the middle of the road because i can't find a parking spot, i don't really mean to annoy the other drivers who have to route around the big, metal obstacle i set up for them. there is no evil intent, since the point of blocking all that traffic isn't to *create* inconvenience for others - it is a side effect from what is really important, pursuing my own convenience. if it was convenient for me to park elsewhere, i would have, so obviously i'm not being impolite. if anything it is everyone else who is being impolite, since they insist that i park in a less convenient place for me. so i'm going to keep parking in the middle of the road.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If your enjoyment of Glitch depends on other players playing your way, prepare for major disappointment upon release when the world gets much more full and people who play every which way come into the world.  Half-rock-mining nub-leavers, peeps who knock on the door to your house to see if you let them in to clean you out, smack-talkers, griefers, and you name it are all going to be abundant.  Well, hopefully not abundant, but more prevalent than they are now.  I feel that there will be tons of room in Glitch for players to play however they want with the exception of those who only want players to play in certain ways.  I'm not saying it can't bother you; just that if it does, you're probably in for more than just a spot of bother.
    Posted 16 months ago by Wiggles The Fluent Subscriber! | Permalink
  • wiggles, i understand that.

    i encounter people who park in the middle of the street fairly frequently, and that's with laws and financial penalties against the practice.

    there's no way to prevent that kind of attitude, except perhaps to say if something is near-universally identified as being rude that there may be social repercussions involved. if you get a reputation as a 'messy miner', perhaps certain guilds might not want their reputation sullied by having you as a member.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think anyone really cares if you mine a little and then stop because you don't want to mine anymore.  The point here some testers are not aware that rocks won't regenerate until they've completely disappeared, so they mine a rock until there's one piece left, and then do this all the way down the street, until all that's left are tiny bits of rock which other people have to "clean up," so to speak.

    If a rock were to regenerate a bit at a time, the way dirt piles do, and then regenerate in full if it had been completely mined away, the way rocks currently do, perhaps we'd avoid having this discussion again.
    Posted 16 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think the occasional partially  mined rock is a problem, it's when there are a ton of rocks left half mined that it annoys people.  But I also don't think it should be labelled rude, because we don't know the intention of whoever left the rock.

    The other day someone was really upset in global because a whole street of rocks were only half mined, but I asked them if any of the same type of rock were half mined or if they were all different, and they said all different types of rocks.  The person may have needed a quest (as I learned mining early I honestly can't remember the mining quests) or maybe they only needed a few pieces, or were interested and only mined a couple of times for each type of rock to see what they could do with them.

    Since it's impossible to tell the persons intention, it's not really fair to claim that its a rude thing to do.  Perhaps real life called the person away, or they were low on energy and just needed a bit of rock, there are many reasons.

    @Striatic:  That analogy doesn't really work, because blocking traffic IRL is much more serious than leaving a virtual rock half mined, and nobody is forced to change their behavior because of the half mined rock, they can just move onto the next rock or take only 10 chunks and move on.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • the analogy is fair.

    no it isn't as serious an effect, but that's why no one is suggesting that half mining the rock has the same repercussions in traffic - big fines, tickets, points against drivers license, towed vehicle, etc.

    people are forced to change behavior though, obviously, and it depletes the overall resources produced by the street by locking out a recycle of the rock node.

    we also know that the final little bit of a rock produces less in the way of chunks than the previous chunks, but you need to finish that little bit in order for the resource to renew for use by others.

    players like audaria are willing to use the fruits of other people spending extra energy on the nubs in order to allow full rocks to regrow for her to exploit, but she is unwilling to return the favor.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • didn't mean to get people all stirred up all I was saying was that if the rocks aren't mined all the way down they won't regenerated  and it might make it hard for the next person that comes along.   I'm not expecting  anyone to do things my way,  I know better than to expect that.   When little bits of rocks are left it makes it kind of hard to use the earthshake and get the most out of it.  But I do understand where everyone is coming from,  when you run out of room in your bags,  you just can't do anymore.  With that being said,  hope everyone continues to enjoy the game. Good luck in the next test.  
    Posted 16 months ago by Emerald Fern Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I was under the impression people were now only mining down until they got a gem and then went on to mine something else, I could be dead wrong.
    Posted 16 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think a better analogy would be going to the fridge and finding several half drank sodas, sure you could drink the rest of the soda but the carbonation isn't there and you wanted a full soda, but then you can drink other things like water, or tea, etc.  Or you can continue searching through the fridge til you find a full one.

    But I don't know if its fair to call out Audaria, I think s/he was just trying to point out there are many reasons why a rock isn't fully mined so that people don't assume it was just ignorance or lack of concern for other players, there are many legitimate reasons for someone to not finish mining.

    Although I agree a lot of the time people just don't know about the respawn, and think that could be added with the quest that teaches co-mining.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yep that makes a lot of sense, I feel a quest should be encouraged on all new skills.  I have felt lost after learning several and had to dig deep to find out how and what they were about then how to use them.  Block making comes to mind, totally lost on most of it until asking other players.  Thanks RM for all your help.
    Posted 16 months ago by xoxJulie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • the carbonation analogy is a good, tho additionally in the case of glitch the fridge is a magic fridge where if you finish a single soda instead of drinking two halves [because you're unwilling to drink anything less than soda at full carbonation] then you free up room for a free, fully carbonated topped up soda to magically appear.

    so without finishing, you can end up leave a fridge full of flat, half finished sodas for other people.

    btw i never assume that rocks with stubs left are left that way in order to grief or out of lack of consideration. if anything, i assume that someone hasn't figured out that rocks re-spawn yet and was attempting to be generous in "not taking the last bite". that's understandable and fine by me.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Omg if only magic fridges existed, and filled themselves with watermelon, mmmmmm.  I would be a very happy girl!

    I agree xoxJulie, I am level 40 and have never used blockmaking, was there even a quest with that one?
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I was under the impression people were now only mining down until they got a gem and then went on to mine something else, I could be dead wrong."

    possibly, but people doing so aren't doing themselves a favor.

    it is possible that some people think that theres a gem incased in random rocks, and that once the find the rock, there are no more gems 'inside'.

    in truth, it's all random on a 'per swing' basis, so mining the rock to the ground has just as much a chance of finding another gem as starting a new rock.

    people believe some funny things when it comes to gems. i've heard people say that there are more gems at the bottoms of rocks, and others say there are more gems at the starts of rocks. some people think some types of rock produce more gems than others. just odd, odd things.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've taken to cleaning up the nubs when I come through an area. Annoying as hell, but it solves the problem. I can't MAKE anyone conform to my own expectations as to what could and should be done, so I do it myself :) I'll a message in local and Global later when I do it explaining, but that's as far as I can go to encourage better conduct.
    Posted 16 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • striatic, we may not always get along...but I absolutely adore the parking analogy.  +1 for that one, sir.

    I do indeed feel a bit griefed when I go through two whole caverns, and all that are left are nubs with only 1 hit on them.
    Posted 16 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • xoxJulie:  Are you referring to the change in drop rates for gems?  Because the drop rates decrease according to the number of gems you have gotten overall, not just from one rock!

      I'm not sure if you are referring to people who think that after the first gem drop from a single rock they will not have a decrease if they change rocks.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "players like audaria are willing to use the fruits of other people spending extra energy on the nubs in order to allow full rocks to regrow for her to exploit, but she is unwilling to return the favor. "

    WHAT THE F ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT striatic????? HOW DARE YOU!!!! APPARENTLY YOUR LACK OF INTELLIGENCE AND RUDENESS IS SUPPLEMENTED BY SELECTIVE ILLITERACY!

    FOR YOUR BENEFIT I SUPPLY THE FOLLOWING QUOTES FROM MY POSTS:

    "I never said that I leave nubs. I usually finish the rock," " And personally, there have been times when I've been happy to find half a node."

    I often finish off other peoples "nubs" when mining. I just don't WHINE about afterwards. I don't care if there is a whole rock, or a half rock when I start. If it is the type of rock that I need, I mine it. So you keep on parking your car in the middle of the road. You clearly have a deep and personal understanding of RUDENESS!
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Laurali - Thank you.
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'd definitely love to see the mining quest teach players that nubs don't regenerate--embarrassingly, I assumed the opposite was true when I first started! 
    Posted 16 months ago by Sheepy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ditto, Sheepy.  I haven't done a lot of mining, and the first few times I assumed I was being greedy if I mined a rock until it was gone.  It may well be well meaning but ignorant ones such as we who left those streets full of half mined rocks.
    Posted 16 months ago by Hawkwell Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If I'm walking around and see a small rock I finish it off. I assume the person either had to leave the game, ran out of energy, or just didnt know. I dont mine that often but when I see it I fix it. No bigs.
    Posted 16 months ago by goodstory Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Chinese proverb "He who has raised his voice first has lost the argument". "Shouting" (typing in all caps) is unneeded. Doing so, even if you see the other person rude and unthinking, is itself rude and unthinking. Let your emotions give rise to your words, but your thoughts to guide them.
    Posted 16 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You're right. I should have just shrugged off having my character trashed. Because character assassination always wins the argument.
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The fact that there are many, many good reasons to leave a node half-finished doesn't change the fact that doing so has a negative impact on the community as a whole. The next person(s) who come along have to expend more effort to find the next node, whereas if it had just been finished off in the first place both parties would benefit.

    Think of it this way: If you were the only person playing Glitch, would you just run around leaving half-finished rocks everywhere? Just as in real life, in an MMO you should clean up after yourself. Of all the people I would expect to be happily going about doing what's best for the community I would expect it of Glitchens. I'm not gonna hate on anyone for doing it (after all I've been playing MMOs for almost a decade now and people are people) but it doesn't change the fact that it is at the very least careless and can be rude if done consistently. 

    We're playing a game where everything we do has an impact on other players, and in order to keep and continue fostering the friendships we have it is important that we take the time to consider the effects that our actions have on our fellow players. Finding half-eaten rocks isn't fun for anyone, so try to avoid leaving them whenever possible.
    Posted 16 months ago by Skwid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yikes.

    skwid, you put that very well.

    every time you encounter a full mining node, be aware that someone took the time to mine out the entire rock, including the less energy efficient nub section, in order for it to be there for you.

    every time you encounter an unfinished mining node, be aware that someone didn't take that time, for whatever reason.

    then allow this knowledge to inform the kind of player you would like to be.
    Posted 16 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I disagree. There is absolutely no negative impact on the community caused by anyone leaving a half-finished node. This is your OPINION, not a FACT. (Caps used for emphasis, not yelling.) The next person to come along will have to expend NO more effort to find the next node than they would have had there been a full node there. In fact, if they come along too soon, there will be no node at all, if the previous person has finished it. I do not "run around leaving half-finished rocks everywhere." Did I at any point suggest that I do? No. I have said multiple times that I USUALLY FINISH the rock. Finishing the rock is not "cleaning up after" oneself. It is only finishing (or not finishing) the rock. I often finish rocks that have been started by someone else. That is just part of playing in a community. It is not careless or rude. It's just part of the game. Perhaps you should ask why the rocks can be only partially mined in the first place? Why were they not made to only give benefit after the entire rock was mined? It would be easy enough. If that had been the intention. But, in fact, the game allows a rock to be mined in parts, with a payout after each portion.

    Yes, we are playing a game wherein we interact with other players. Not everything we do has an "impact" on other players. And do not presume to tell me how to play the game or what I should "try to avoid" doing.
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Skwid, yes, exactly.  It's rather like cleaning up after yourself.  I'll clean up the rocks, but it would just be nice if other people would do it too.  Common courtesy. 

    Woah. Breathe Audaria.  Pretty sure you're the only one throwing around the angry words here. 
    Posted 16 months ago by Feylin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Feylin, I have to dissagree with your comment that Audaria is the only one throwing around angry words.
    Posted 16 months ago by Piece of Serenity Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Really Feylin? Really? Have you read the thread? Have you seen the personal attack by striatic on ME? Pretty sure I'm NOT the only one "throwing around the angry words" and equally sure that I am justified in doing so!

    So apparently EVERYONE in here thinks that he or she is the ONE & ONLY person to "clean up" rocks that are less than 100%. Good grief people! It is not that big of a deal to mine a rock that isn't 100%. I do it all the time!!!
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It actually does have some negative impact, but it's pretty marginal. I find it mostly just looks bad to see all that unfinished mining all over the place. And it does prevent a respawn, which is still very important when a resource is limited.
    Posted 16 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • True, it does prevent a respawn, but only until someone comes along and finishes the rock. And this does, always, eventually, happen. I often "finish" rocks and I sometimes leave one or two unfinished. I know I'm not the only one who does, just the only one who will admit it. As far as seeing unfinished mining around: I kind of like it. It's more like a real mine would look.
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  •   I've read.  While I don't really agree with striatic's post, you seem to flip right out at everything everyone else has posted.  I dont know if there's other stuff going on or what but.....woah. 

    I'm curious how you got from my post that I think I'm the only one cleaning up rocks? 
    Posted 16 months ago by Feylin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • have u guys noticed that when u go on kevbob profile on glitch he's in the game
    Posted 16 months ago by ShawnLabs Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I'll clean up the rocks, but it would just be nice if other people would do it too."

    Sound familiar? That's how I got it.

    As far as "flipping right out" I am a little frustrated. It happens when people attempt to assassinate my character in a public forum. And when they tell me that I'm being "rude" for not playing the game the way they think it should be played. And when they attribute words to me that are the exact opposite of what I've said. Repeatedly. And when people tell me to "chill" when they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Feylin:  I have to agree with Audaria here as she was unjustly called out for a claim she didn't make.  Stri said:

    "players like audaria are willing to use the fruits of other people spending extra energy on the nubs in order to allow full rocks to regrow for her to exploit, but she is unwilling to return the favor."

    I felt the remark was vicious enough that I should say something.

    @Everyone else.  One thing that bugs me a lot is how recently people only seem to care about a change that other players want to make if it fits their needs.  Referencing a thread I started about leaving a few plots open in community gardens in case players need them, the response was a big rude "hell no" from a lot of people.  It seems like people are only willing to make accommodations if they are the ones benefiting, and that actually goes both ways in this argument as well.  Leaving the rock half mined (for whatever reason) is just as bad as telling people that they have to mine the whole rock.  Community resources are for people to use as they need it, and if everyone would keep this in mind I think we would all get along so much better :) 
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ZoBQuET - Yes Kevbob is busy working on the game to get it ready for us to enjoy!  You'll see him and other roaming around a lot.
    Yours was a nice quiet voice amid the storm and controversy that is rock mining.
    Posted 16 months ago by Stormy Weather Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nice, quiet, and unrelated to the OP.  But thankfully it isn't a whole other thread that got started!
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink