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The creeps, the hoodlums, the bad guys

The bad guys own the sidewalks and they're trying to take the locks on our front doors that we hope will keep them out.

They own the night. We stay in because they're drunk on the road driving, hanging out in parking lots, making us afraid.

I think there comes a point where we do have to push back:

To take back the night, our right to stroll our own neighborhoods after dark under the stars, the right to come and go without fear, the ability to sleep soundly without fearing someone is going to come in and take not just our stuff but our loved ones, our innocence, our peace of mind.

Whether it is craven losers trying to steal virtual stuff that costs nothing to replace and was meant for everyone to share...people who will poison someone else's pet or kid without a thought for the hurt they cause...

I don't understand it but there are people who will waste hours of their own precious lifetimes just to cause misery and woe.  They steal our time, which we can never get back, and delight in making us anxious and frustrated.  They know their behavior is intolerable.  It can't bring them real joy.  Whatever it is they get out of it, I'm tired of being a doormat. 

I am sure you can trust the staff here to deal with things.  In other places, the bad guys win, and everyone is silenced because that is the only tool the weary authorities still try to wield against it. I've seen it.  Filters end up blocking not only profanity and cruelty, but also friendship, trust, casual conversation.  Treasure it here. Protect it. The ability to speak your mind to others is a precious thing and it is easy to lose.

Here, I don't think it has to be that way.  If someone "griefs" you or your friends, and is obviously just being stupid and evil and juvenile, don't blow it off.  Don't excuse malice, though you should forgive error, passion, and excess of emotion.  

For the sake of the next person, report griefers. 

Posted 11 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • wow that was interesting....................
    Posted 11 months ago by SockMonkey101 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well said, Silky!
    Posted 11 months ago by Splendora Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you, Silky! You are correct and I send you hugs.
    Posted 11 months ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  • <3
    Posted 11 months ago by HeyGabe Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 Silky. Keep being who you are.
    Posted 11 months ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Why do I always feel like I showed up late and missed the real show?
    Posted 11 months ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am always at a loss in these threads because I have not seen a lot of griefing in Glitch.  In fact, I'm not sure I have personally witnessed any. Nor have I needed to block or report. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't think so.  The game mechanics are such that it's pretty easy to avoid, block, or prevent griefing.  FWIW, I do not view "theft" (i.e. taking something that is not locked down) as griefing. I don't put down items that I do not want to share freely.  If I want a specific person to have a specific number of an item (rather than ALL), I give it to them directly. GIVE JOYFULLY.  Obviously if there is someone who is setting out to make other people have a bad experience, then report them. But if people are just playing a different, less cooperative way, move on and associate with Glitches who don't play that way. 

    I manage to avoid griefers while still mining, planting in community gardens, exploring Ur, collecting resources, going to parties, and having a lot of fun.  I don't think I'm doing anything unusual and yet do not view griefing as a major (or even minor) problem.  I'm curious what kind of griefing you've seen? 
    Posted 11 months ago by Miel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Last night was kind of crazy.  I had a party and a team of people kept coming back in despite being kicked out. They were scooping up all the party goodies as fast as we could put them down.  I guess I tempted that kind of behavior by giving away so much.  I had three full big bags of awesome stew, etc. etc.  Someone kept re-inviting them and they didn't socialize, just took and took and took. The staff have probably figured out who was doing it. The re-inviting of people who were kicked out was the real griefing.  I hope it wasn't someone I thought was a friend.  I hadn't seen anything like that before. It reminds me of the flash mobs who mass shoplift.  I agree taking something on the ground isn't griefing, in and of itself, but this was an organized and callous disruption of what was supposed to be a fun time. 
    Posted 11 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Aww Silky I'm so sad that happened to you.  :`(

    :: gentle hugs ::
    Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow. I can totally see where you're coming from. I don't like people who come into parties and just take everything, and there's a wide varity of people who do such. The same thing happens at other locations, even in group places that someone's set up with the intention of sharing things, but then someone comes along and decides that it's okay to take everything, including notes, feeders and collectors. There's no log to figure out who did it, you have to figure out who yourself.

    I know that eventually someone will come along and say "Oh well, its a game, it's all virtual stuff, who gives a crap?" Well, yes, it is a game, but it's MY time that I've taken out of doing something else to either help someone in this "virtual game"  or do something that I actually like doing, with others, in this "virtual world. Behind the screen is a living, breathing person who has emotions, and you have NO IDEA what their situation may be, so they could be upset over something that you wouldn't be, but again, you don't know who they are or what their life story could be. It's not so hard not to be a jerkface online, but some people just live to frustrate others and fuel their own fire with it because they "can".
    Posted 11 months ago by Ayasta Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The disappointing part about the whole thing was that it got pretty abusive. And that's what really sucked about it. But it got better in the end, and we were eventually able to celebrate Silky properly. :)
    Posted 11 months ago by Voluptua Sneezelips Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The thing for me is that these people were doing it as a group!  I will not mention names. But it was a group of friends who did this on purpose and totally made it annoying! I have been to alot of parties on here and never seen anything like it. It got to a point where there was no longer food for guests, because they kept taking it all and we just had to sit there and pass stuff as they continued to stay after being kicked out numerous times and one of their friends adding them back over and over.Thankfully Rascalmom helped us and got rid of those people and is amazing and I want to thank her! I also want to say congrats to my sweet friend Silky. I am so happy she is level 60! Wonderful achievement for a wonderful person!
    Posted 11 months ago by Queen Zipporah Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I see things better when there is good contrast.  (Which is why I should have had this party at Toxic Moon! lol!)  So one thing the griefers last night did for me is help me see my friends more clearly. I know some really great people here, and I'm very proud of how they handled this mess last night, and how they are supporting me so beautifully.  I can't thank the good people here enough.  Thanks for being good-hearted. Seriously.  
    Posted 11 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm glad to know it got better and ended in celebration. When I left it seemed like the party was pretty much over.

    What crossed the line, imo, was that a group of people seemed to be working in collusion to re-enter the party space repeatedly despite the host's efforts to eject them.  A party space is not a public area, and the person who purchased the party pack should have some say about what happens at their party. In addition, there were statements in chat that seemed intended to taunt, including possibly inaccurate claims regarding other players.
    Posted 11 months ago by Splendora Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, they tried to make us blame each other for what they were doing.  
    Posted 11 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sad to see happen, but I've started dropping stuff with people, not on the ground. Know who you want to share it with, and how much? Put it in their bag yourself. It's then avoiding the situation all together. Which is why some other places which were used for groups have all failed for now. Hopefully group halls will help in time.
    Posted 11 months ago by jiva Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It was an amateur, grief troll. I tried talking with them, and they used a lot of manipulative techniques - "I'll be good this time, give me a chance", "it's your fault because X", "I didn't do it", "It's Silky's fault, if she can't see well then why does she play" etc. But, in the end it was pretty clear that there was a little bit of envy because of her hitting level 60 and they just enjoyed griefing her and those at the party, particularly because they couldn't be stopped and people kept reacting to them.

    Another interesting point is the four Glitch accounts involved, all were first friends with each other. So, either coordinating or the same person - and not terribly smart.

    In any event, these people were jackasses. However, there are at least two elements we need to consider here. One, you can try to solve this problem by trying to get rid of griefers and reporting and what not. And this is one valid approach, and it will get the worst offenders. But, I would also like us to think about why it was they were successful. There is no reason for even coordinated douchebaggery to upset us. In the end, these people were taking everything and kind of spoiling the party, but what really set it over the edge was our collective response to that behavior. We need to own that and figure out how to handle this better.
    Posted 11 months ago by Meander Thralls Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow Silky, that was really well said, and it's to bad that you couldn't stop those trolls.
    Posted 11 months ago by RJStormRider Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I bet I could name at least some of the thieves. I think there is a bug that lets people back into a party after they have been booted without an invite. I saw something in the party chat that suggested this.

    It's either that or the looters leave one person in the party that doesn't loot and just re-invites the others in the band of thieves and the chatter in the chat was just to mislead.

    I put up a suggestion in the ideas forums about making party bootings permanent.
    Posted 11 months ago by Melting Sky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm sorry your party got crashed, and it's a shame that they spoiled the event for you.  It seems like more controls for party hosts would make this type of thing run more smoothly (i.e. they could disallow invitees to invite or permanently ban certain players).   If it was my party I probably would have just stopped dropping items, but I also understand that you wanted to gift your friends and celebrate your achievement with generosity and they were interfering with your ability to do so.  Congrats on level 60!  Maybe you could have a mini do-over party in a private home where there is more control over who can enter.
    Posted 11 months ago by Miel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • EDIT: didn't read the OP, apologies.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've never been anywhere in Glitch as boring as the 'parties' so to speak.  Little bits of this and that junk piled all over the floor, almost as if to 'test' the participants of the party.  Nobody needs any of the swag, and it's all pretty meaningless low-level pack-slot-clogging stuff to begin with.

    No, I think that you folks NEED there to be troublemakers and malcontents to crash your parties, to give meaning to your on-line persona.  Who would you have to feel superior to without the teeming unwashed masses out there robbing and stealing, and looting your little piles of bait?  How would you be able to continue to feel you were being 'polite' if there wasn't that little pile of junk there to avoid taking that magic 'too much' amount out of?
    Posted 11 months ago by Kalstept Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "No, I think that you folks NEED there to be troublemakers and malcontents to crash your parties, to give meaning to your on-line persona.  Who would you have to feel superior to without the teeming unwashed masses out there robbing and stealing, and looting your little piles of bait?  How would you be able to continue to feel you were being 'polite' if there wasn't that little pile of junk there to avoid taking that magic 'too much' amount out of?"

    Comments like this make me pretty sad to think that some people out there have such a nasty persona.

    I am sorry this happened Silky. You would think as cooperative and sharing this game is that we would still get mean spirited players here. Pure and simple, what they did was griefing.

    Also I don't see this really adult behavior when this sort of thing occurs. I am thinking we DO have children on this game but because we cannot prove it we are stuck putting up with these sort of behaviors sadly. If it is truly adults doing this, then it is sad that adults would act in this manner. There are plenty of other games out there if you want to act like a jerkface. If your looking for wanting to be a troublemaker and a malcontent, then go play something like Tribal or Evony or any other types of platforms such as those out there. We don't need your crap.
    Posted 11 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree that the griefers (actually my personal opinion is that it was primarily one person using several alt accounts simultaneously) gave off a vibe of being either young or very immature. I disagree that it was an amateurish operation, though.  It seemed quite well-orchestrated to me, and there was a sort of cunning meanness to it that suggested a rather premeditated form of emotional manipulation. The griefers returned repeatedly, offering excessively contrite apologies even as they were making false claims about other party members and scooping up anything that wasn't nailed down. The saddest thing was they seemed to lose interest once they saw Silky had gotten flustered enough to need to log out of the game for a bit. It was almost as if the whole point were more about disrupting the good-natured fun than about grabbing stuff.

    In any case I'm glad Silky rejoined the party after taking a breather, and that in the end it proved to be a way that those of us who are fond of her were able to express that. The griefers managed to disrupt a sweet sense of community and connection for a little while, but the cool thing is that they couldn't make a dent in the more general vibe of fun and friendship. The kind of stuff I saw AFTER the griefers had done their thing is the stuff that keeps me coming back to this game. I like to think it's the real stuff at the heart of this strange and complicated world.
    Posted 11 months ago by Sirentist Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Little piles of junk...well, I saved for three weeks so I could throw that party. I spent half a million currants on it, overall.  Friends helped me provide currants for the timer and lots of NICE glitch stuff.  I gave away 40+ cubimal boxes, and three big bags of awesome stew, and I don't know how much pumpkin ale and the like.  I set up that party with full bags and left with practically empty ones.  

    Awesome stew and cubimal boxes are the best "junk" I could give away here in this world, at this point, not having access to dozens of SITOBTG or Christmas Yetis.  I'm not a party person either, for various reasons, but I wanted to thank my friends for being my friends in the only way open to me in this game.  I like nearly all the people I've met here. This game attracts some really nice people.

    Do I feel superior to people like the bullies who tormented my friends and me--well, I guess I do.  I feel a deadly contempt for them!  

    I feel similar contempt for the poisoner(s) who killed my sweet, harmless little dog, an actual criminal act.  I think people who get pleasure from the misery of others are evil and it doesn't matter if it happens in a game with pretend stuff. It's still evil.  It counts the same. 

    Last time I'm posting on this topic here.  
    Posted 11 months ago by So sorry Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well.. shame on them, and good for you, Silky. :)  Congrats on level 60, and I'm glad to hear you have some awesome friends in this game that helped make the party worthwhile in the end. :) Some people don't understand the concept of DBAD.

    Also.. My mantra for internet games, be they RP or MMO or whatevs (and maybe just for the whole of the interwebz): Pretendy Fun Time Games.
    Posted 11 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink