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(sighs) Really people?

Look.  You want to go around being a general dick and poisoning all the trees in UR, fine.  Whatever.

But to go on one of the routes a group of us *set up* to help other glitches and poison and replant all of the wood trees as something else, such as bean trees?  Not cool.  Not amusing and not really fun for any of us.

This isn't about setting something out and having people take it.  This is about a group of players who are helping in a resource route, who have people coming through and destroying their trees, and then replanting others - today, apparently within a span of 20 - 40 minutes, a bunch of the people on the wood tree route had their trees completely destroyed/poisoned/killed and replanted - mine were bean trees.  - JUST the wood route, as far as we could tell in Global.  

I can see if you accidentally kill a tree.  It might happen.  BUT several along the very same route at the very same time?  

Why would anyone want to help out anyone else if that's what's going to happen?  

I know there will always be the set of jerks who want to make the game less fun for everyone else because they can, but honestly, some of us are setting ourselves out there and making our routes easier to find to try and help others.   

IT just leaves me with a poor taste in my mouth.

Posted 8 months ago by Synnia Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I'm with you, Synnia.

    I'm hopeful that this won't be possible once R2 (or the final changeover) happens. We'll have to wait and see. In the meantime, let me know if I can help you get your trees back!
    Posted 8 months ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's always the wood trees that are trouble. So much so that I was rather surprised when I saw an announced Wood Tree Resource Route, because I figured it would end up being an automatic magnet for all the wood tree haters. :/

    I really don't get why it's so hard to just leave people be.
    Posted 8 months ago by Liathea Subscriber! | Permalink
  • : (  That sucks,  Coincidentally, (well kinda but not the same) a short while ago someone had wiped out the spice trees on flipside, west spice and east spice with bubble trees.... I guess that could be considered another route given the street names plus the fact that 'everyone' goes there for spice lol.  I did find however a great sense of comradeship as I met and worked with several glitchen to get the streets back to their spice status lol. Quite possibly the most fun I've had on glitch for a while.

    Please let me know if you need help replanting? I'm happy to lend a hand : ) 
    Posted 8 months ago by ~Arabesque~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have stayed entirely out of all tree poisoning and street ownership debates so far, (play and let play) but as a curator of one of the routes and a huge supporter of Scarlett Bearsdale and LokiPDX for their efforts in organizing these projects I want to say that this is a lot of work put in by a few for the hopeful benefit of all. Many many Glitchen have been more than generous with their time, energy and Fertilidust to get these routes set up and many more are enjoying the benefits of bountiful harvests, and I think it's a real slap in the face to all those who have given so much even if I don't take it as a personal insult. This is not something TS put together for us, but something we created in the spirit of community, and it's just mean for that reason alone.

    Join us instead. Play with us!

    My opinion, worth precisely $.02 USD :)
    Posted 8 months ago by JillyBean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • They do it because they are cowardly anonymous assholes. It's as simple as that.

    Too harsh? I don't think so. They know if we knew who they were they'd be blocked and could have their "fun" on people's streets.
    Posted 8 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I used up all my tree poison trying to kill the bubble trees in Flipside but someone (lvl 60) kept coming behind me and applying the antidote. I finally just logged out in disgust. 
    Posted 8 months ago by Enid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Or, they think they're playing good Rookists.
    Posted 8 months ago by Carl Projectorinski Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No, they are being assholes or are basically ashamed for what they are doing, otherwise they'd tell us who they are.

    edit: sorry for my tone there, I was just so pissed by this.
    Posted 8 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just want to say that this was unfortunate, but also completely expected.  I'm frankly surprised it's taken this long.

    A couple of things I'd love for resource route proponents and members to remember, if possible:
    1) We can always replant.  We have an endless supply of beans and fertilidust; and if the route is out of commission for a short time it's not the end of the world.
    2) Ultimately, I believe that there are more people who are interested in contributing and participating in the routes than not; anyone coming across the wrong kind of tree on a route should feel free to replace it if possible, and if not ... no worries! Someone who can will be along.  If there's more than just a spot of trouble, mention it in group chat and likely someone will take care of it.
    3) Try not to get upset or become vigilantes as a response to this.  That can only encourage escalation. I hope we can try to just keep going about our business, doing our thing calmly and resolutely, with generosity and consideration.
    4) If it makes the wood route unworkable, we'll figure something else out, and possibly petition the devs for a solution, but I'm loathe to bug them at such a frantic time.

    In the mean time, take a deep breath and, hey, why not try heading out to Ur instead? 

    :D
    Posted 8 months ago by Scarlett Bearsdale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Couldn't you just carry some emergency wood tree beans?
    Posted 8 months ago by E D D I E Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I do think a neighborhood watch can be done in a way that is totally within your set of guidelines, Scarlett.  It would be very useful, but it would need to have a strict code of conduct within itself, and have primarily two purposes:

    1.  Alert the network that resources are needed to rebuild, and keep track of where (we're already doing this, really, but increased presence could make it faster)

    2. Tell the poisoners in person, if at all possible, to "please stop poising these trees."

    The devs have given us one recourse that we can use for this, and have given us permission to use it, though some of us see this as the nuclear option.  And that's to block the perpetrators.  But, if we accept this, with some kind of caveat or procedure for warning and keeping track and eventually unblocking repentant Glitches, the watch can do one last thing:

    3. Find out who is doing this and report their names to the street owners.

    I am not necessarily advocating any of this! But it is an in-game solution with the rules we have, and may be worth deliberating over and considering.
    Posted 8 months ago by Carl Projectorinski Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah, it is very annoying when people are poisoning trees for no good reason. Just takes the fun out of the game! Sometimes they make up these lame excuses like, "I was doing it for a quest and I forgot to replant!" Or, "It was an accident." Or there are people who plainly just poison trees for fun and at the expense of others. Which is annoying too. That is why I like private trees. In houses and things. But now that there are these new houses people go around, stealing and poisoning. I have one person who CONSTANTLY mistreats my trees and things so I barely even get to use them anymore. There also seems to be something going around with beans replacing everything. I put out wood trees or cherry trees, I come back out and there are beans. And there are also sometimes when newbies come to different streets, exploring, and then they see wood or any other type of tree and think that they are up for grabs. Soooo many people who mistreat trees.... I totally understand what you are going through.

    But how can we make it so that they do not do that anymore? Perhaps leave notes? Nope, that does not work, I have tried it. Haha... sometimes I get notes like, "Take that" or "Die trees." It sure gets terrible. I have gotten that a lot. I am signed up for the Fruit Tree circle where people go around and use each other's trees and I am finding a lot that my trees are replaced with SPICE?? Aren't there enough at West and East Spice? lol
    Posted 8 months ago by FTW BACON!! Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *heavy sigh*
    I really enjoy doing the 'Tree Resource' runs at the new houses. It was a marvelous idea and applaud all those who organized and participated in it.
    It is truly baffling why someone or some people feel the need to ruin things. These people are probably the ones that pretend to be nice in real life while hiding the true nature of their personalities, which is displayed so easily when they are anonymous.
    I only hope the old adage comes true in this case - "What goes around, comes around".
    Posted 8 months ago by Ruby Specklebottom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Such long posts! You guys give me a headache. This is what I have to say: 

    Don't do it.

    That was easy to read, right? XD
    Posted 8 months ago by OMG BACON!! Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Scarlett, you da' best. :)
    Posted 8 months ago by rach.the.emobear Subscriber! | Permalink
  • messing with the resource routes is a bit mean-spirited, but really, what's the harm with putting bubble trees in flipside?  now that the routes are in place there is no reason to keep insisting that the entirety of ix be all spice, all the time...
    Posted 8 months ago by katlazam Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Does UR need a police force?
    Posted 8 months ago by Peachesan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Peachesan: Splanking would be a great method of punishment. 
    Posted 8 months ago by ☠ lala512 ☠ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That's so sad. :(  It's very mean-spirited to target one of the housing resource routes designed to help others.

    If you need any replacement beans, I may be making oodles of wood tree beans tonight for the XP.
    Posted 8 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Naw, no police force needed. :D

    Just play your own game and try not to be upset about what other people do. Trees are easily replaced, most people want to help not hurt, and more people are interested in preserving than destroying. That's the important thing to remember.
    Posted 8 months ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yup, they may have destroyed the trees, but a ton of people stepped up to the plate to fix it. :)
    Posted 8 months ago by Lily Linguistic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've noticed that whenever anyone messes with the trees, there are always plenty of people who come around to fix it.  Fixing the trees is fun, so I'm not too upset when I see they have been messed with - it just means I'm going to meet some nice people very soon!
    Posted 8 months ago by Jewel Stoned Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The vandals don't read the forums. They're too busy out in RL tipping over cars and tormenting drive-thru cashiers.
    Posted 8 months ago by Flash McPherson Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What a sad, disgusting thing to have happen. I'd be happy to generate some wood tree beans for whoever needs them. Would love to be part of the route but can't bring myself to poison my lovely spice tree. And yes, I know it's just 1's and 0's. sigh.
    Posted 8 months ago by Jo Jo Ruffledspouse Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I bet people do it because they have no power in their real lives. By killing trees and pissing people off they get the feeling they have power over something. Personally, with all the moaning about stealing and posioning I can't blame them. They are doing it to simply get a rise outta people.
    Posted 8 months ago by Rikki Booben Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *sigh* So sorry to hear this. If people on the wood tree route want to message me and ask for wood tree beans or the like... I should have a little time this evening to help replant some of those. I'll go try and walk the wood tree route and play Johnny Wood Tree. And hey, more progress toward those tree badges, right?

    As a side note, I generally try and only harvest from size 4 wood trees. Harvest down to 3 then only pet and water. And it gives me more progress toward the badge! With the larger harvest this'll make everyone's plank harvesting richer... but all you fine people probably knew that already. :)
    Posted 8 months ago by LokiPDX Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Get over it
    Posted 8 months ago by EarthtoGrace Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Earth to Grace, you are not being helpful.
    Posted 8 months ago by Carl Projectorinski Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @EarthtoGrace - Nor are you making yourself look good on this thread. With your message, you seem a lot like how a vandal would sound like in this outcry.
    Posted 8 months ago by Nayeli Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I disagree, E2G practically stated they are a tree poisoner
    Posted 8 months ago by Cherry Cat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yes, i've poisoned a tree... because i can
    it's an option in the game
    Posted 8 months ago by EarthtoGrace Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yes, i've poisoned a tree... because i can
    it's an option in the game
    Posted 8 months ago by EarthtoGrace Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Pardon me, but you seem to misunderstand that discussion at hand.

    We are not denouncing people who poison trees, but we are complaining people who specifically target the resource routes that other Glitchen have set up on their home streets.  There is one method by which the Devs have given us to protect these routes, but by claiming the right to poison them (if that is what you are doing), you invited other players to use that method by blocking you.  When you are blocked, you will not be able to visit these streets.

    This is not really a question of game rules, you see.  It's a question of being polite and reasonable.

    Instead of inviting other people to block you, why not just leave certain streets alone?  Stick to the truly public streets of Ur.  It's just better that way.
    Posted 8 months ago by Carl Projectorinski Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I swear they need to just make a "I want to rant about something" section on here. Not making fun of this, I'm just sayin in all seriousness.
    Posted 8 months ago by DamitaJo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That would be nice, yes.
    Posted 8 months ago by Carl Projectorinski Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Carl ... I generally agree with what you are saying further above, but I want to reply to this suggestion ... "3. Find out who is doing this and report their names to the street owners."

    I think that I'm wary of reporting or distributing names in this way ... I have visions of pitchforks and torches.  But it may be possible to work with the API and create a way for each individual to discover for themselves what their own street looks like when someone leaves it, and make their own decision about what to do, if they care and want to find that out.  But any kind of mutual warning system has a vast potential for misuse; and if institutionalized, that potential is even greater. There's a reason we don't call out people by name in forums for actions they take in game.

    On a separate note ...
    Overall, I know it's futile but we could try not to have yet another one of those threads, right? Where we just get more and more worked up?  Thought not.  Go about your business then.
    Posted 8 months ago by Scarlett Bearsdale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I generally feel the same way.
    Posted 8 months ago by Carl Projectorinski Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I for one want to thank the street thugs for harming the route. Without your tom-foolery others wouldn't have the opportunity to get badges. SO thoughtful of you street thugs, pat yourselves on the back.
    Posted 8 months ago by Rev. Lightbringer Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Omg I thought I made someone really mad. I'm like is this a message? Whoever did this is just a major loser!!!
    Posted 8 months ago by Polly Nomial Subscriber! | Permalink
  • OK I read this earlier and then I got more sick and then I got really sick and then I went into the hospital and then I came back and read it again and have the exact same bloody reaction.

    It's this: Home streets should be able to be locked so that others cannot come change the owner's shite around.  Period.  It's our home streets, we own them, it says so straight up in the description of the street.  ~Auren~'s home street, owned by ~Auren~.  

    Until that time comes, people are free to be dicks and go around poisoning and replanting (OR NOT) and doing whatever they want to anybody's home street.  If you don't want that to happen, you can put signs out and hope for the best, or stay in-world on your street walking back and forth like a village idiot doing nothing until someone comes along and you can catch them, or, you can just stop caring and be really vocal in the forums and tell the devs what you want to have happen.  In the meantime... It's not worth your anger or your sorrow or any upset at all, because there are bigger and more important things in life that matter a lot more.  :s

    ALL THAT SAID... I hope you will come stop by my home street and take advantage of my resources and stop to take a few of the free things I always try to leave out for visitors, mine my rock, say hi to my Gnome, and see what he says back (I promise it's not about the route I'm not on).

    <3  Love to all my fellow Glitchens. <3
    Posted 8 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What IS the wood tree route???? Please, I would really like to know. And what the other people are doing to the trees is wrong. Hello, global warming!
    Posted 8 months ago by Misty Power Subscriber! | Permalink
  • :D I find it oddly comforting to see that even though I've been away from Glitch for months, the tree poisoning argument hasn't died- it just mutated.

    Tee hee. :D

    (you'll never stop tree poisoning. My suggestion? Take it as a challenge. Isn't banding up as a community and recreating the route fun as well? More fun than if the game just provided a ready-made route, I'd wager. You can even hum 'Circle of Life' as you work.)
    Posted 8 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Forgive me if I sound like I am from the Dark Ages, but how can someone "own" a street, and how would fellow gamers know if the street "belonged" to someone?  ( I just tend to do my quests and potter around, I guess I don't keep up with the times!)
    Posted 8 months ago by Ac0rn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Misty Power:

    Check out all the all the Housing Resources Routes

    There's a route for wood, cherries, beans, gas, bubbles and spice 
    Posted 8 months ago by IrenicRhonda Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Ac0rn Type "/home" in local chat. Then do a search on "test homes" in the forums. Enjoy!
    Posted 8 months ago by Pascale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Tree wars on an announced tree route? No way! 
    Posted 8 months ago by Eye Wonder Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's a game. It's a public street... get over it
    Posted 8 months ago by Jessenya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's a game, it's a public street. Even so, the tree resource streets were created by kind-hearted enthusiastic people who deserve our support and appreciation. 

    In my experience, Tiny Speck has a very good record on getting rid of very few people whose gameplay "fun" is largely directed toward making others disappointed, hurt, and angry. It may not happen as fast as you'd like it to happen, if you are the person being repeatedly targeted by some (likely unknown to you) ingame bully. 
    Posted 8 months ago by Vocable Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Bad mood Jess? I always thought you were happy go lucky....if you don't see the op's issue here then I am a little worried. They aren't talking about 'a' (singular) home street.  They are talking about the multiple home streets on the specifically created wood route.
    Posted 8 months ago by ~Arabesque~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not talking one home.  I'm not talking an area in UR (like Flipside).  I'm talking a resource route set up by players for other players.

    This wasn't just my street hit.  It was several and right in a row.

    Frankly, if it was one tree, eh, it happens, whatever.  If it was in flipside, yah, I don't agree with it, but I'm not going to rage about it.

    But when you deliberately set out to destroy something other glitches have set up to help the community, there's no good reason behind it except being a general jackass.

    That's where I get irked.

    I DO want to thank everyone that stepped up and helped though, because there were a lot of people who did.  :)  Thanks guys.  
    Posted 8 months ago by Synnia Subscriber! | Permalink
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