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Clubs/Groups/Gangs/Packs/Herds/Flocks/Pods/Etc.

If there are associations here in Glitch that utilize public areas, a permit needs to be issued with guidelines that will ensure no infringements wiil be made on other Glitches. Of course, a fee (currants) should be collected...an amount that would go to the benefit of the whole community of Glitchland.

Posted 12 months ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I'm not sure whether you're talking about the wood trees or community gardens.

    Either way, I think this is a silly idea. The devs so far have been hands-off about both, and whining in the forum isn't an effective way to get that changed. And frankly? I'd rather have modding the way things are now (only stepping in when there's serious harm being done), vs. modding somewhere like Neopets (where I've heard of people being frozen for literally no reason).

    /two currants
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Um, how does the community benefit from these currants? Does it go into a fund? How is it distributed? Who manages it?
    And does the fee guarantee "no infringements?"

    This is, at best, a stub of an idea.  Please offer additional details, because right now, I'm not understanding exactly what you're envisioning.

    Nice thread title, tho.
    Posted 12 months ago by CrashTestPilot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My point is...there are NO permit for groups. This is not to say groups are not permittable; however, it should be the groups' responsibilty to meld with the community guidelines, not the other way around.
    Posted 12 months ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Could you be more specific?
    If someone isn't complying with the community guidelines, simply report them for inappropriate behavior.
    However if they're not breaking any actual rules, keep calm and carry on.
    Posted 12 months ago by Kungaloosh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A} should be moved to "ideas" subforums.
    B} idea needs to be fleshed out. I realize it is a response to the "sandbox group/hidden room" drama, but knowing that isn't enough. However, i'll still try to respond :
    C} Just because a group wants to "claim" someplace shouldn't make it theirs. The concept that a permit would allow people to go someplace that no one else can go turns me off, and i bet it would turn off everyone else not involved in that group too. It is a very elitist concept. The only exception i could think of is "group clubhouses" sort of like homes.{this statement is very generalized and not intended to be a reflection of the sandbox group, please don't jump to the "we aren't elitist" fighting that's been going on to respond to me}
    D} Also, considering we don't get handouts from TS, i see no way to "benefit the community" from fees.

    /me twitches at the name "neopets" and remembers the good old days before that game went to merchandising hell
    Posted 12 months ago by Pixieyelsraek Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, agreed. Everyone has to follow the community guidelines; they are not, in fact, guidelines, but rules. However, as far as I know forming groups has never been against any rule--in fact, look up, there's a link to Groups right on your screen. If the devs intended to limit group-forming, that seems somewhat incongruous.

    Edit: Aaaaa, I know, right? :c I miss the good old days of Neopets. I still log in now and again for old time's sake, and it's so different now.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • At the beginning of the game, we are instructed to interact with anything that radiates blue. We "pick-up" out of habit. I really don't want anything that belongs to another. But, when I see loads of blue highlighted objects, I want to start clicking! And, I don't want to be called out for it! Bait and switch...yuck! Group-dropping is really snobbish if you're gonna slap hands!
    Posted 12 months ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ohhh, I see what's going on.

    So, I tried out the hidden room last night. I brought plenty of snacks to share, but when one person went around and grabbed everything I put down (not you, Prof!) and then asked for more, I was somewhat...annoyed. After all, I brought those treats for everyone! And that's not what the room is for. You're absolutely free to use the room as you see fit, of course, and I can't stop you. But when you monopolize items that were meant for everyone without replacing what you take, people are going to get upset with you. 
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Disagree in Ur and disagree with permitting requirements in real life.
    Posted 12 months ago by ruptures Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "C} Just because a group wants to "claim" someplace shouldn't make it theirs. The concept that a permit would allow people to go someplace that no one else can go turns me off, and i bet it would turn off everyone else not involved in that group too. It is a very elitist concept. The only exception i could think of is "group clubhouses" sort of like homes.{this statement is very generalized and not intended to be a reflection of the sandbox group, please don't jump to the "we aren't elitist" fighting that's been going on to respond to me}"

    This concept you object to was, until the decision to Unlaunch and rework housing and leveling and other basic mechanics, the biggest project on their table and originally rumored to be released before the end of the year.  From what I understand, beta players even got a little taste right before the reset.  I assume the concept has not been cancelled but instead folded into The Big Update as building private streets will likely be affected by the major upcoming changes.  

    I don't see anything elitist about it anymore than my refusal to let some people in to my home is elitist.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It is a free space..
    And there is no rules against picking stuff up..
    So..
    Posted 12 months ago by Volkov Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And, I don't want to be called out for it!

    That's the part I'm having trouble with. Play whatever way you want, but don't expect others to applaud you if you're playing in a way which they don't like.

    So, what I'm saying is, yes, there's no rule against it. But there's no rule that says I have to like you (general you, not talking about anyone in particular) if you do.
    Posted 12 months ago by Shiromisa Kaya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @saucelah - re read what i wrote please. club houses are the EXCEPTION to the elitist issue. What i object to, and what IS elitist, is taking a public area, and claiming it for a group, and then QQing about how people are "stealing" stuff meants only for the group {notes and whatnot}, or are there at all who aren't part of the group. Making this a "permit" allowable thing would just ruin the game. HOWEVER, again, the exception to this would be club houses, that work like houses almost.

    @shiromisa kaya - re:neopets - I don't think i've logged into neopets in at least 5 years. I joined shortly after launch, when it was a game for college kids {not actually intended for kids}. i remember when the rules started changing. Then the merchandising started, THEN the big sell to Viacom and suddenly all this nickelodeon stuff was everywhere. Now i hear there is a pay to play version. I *really* hope Glitch sticks with the "not for kids" and "free to play" model here. However i do hope for little cubimals to line my real life collection shelves!!!
    Posted 12 months ago by Pixieyelsraek Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you want to party? Party!
    If you want to share your bounty? Share!
    If you like to do these things in the open? Beware...
    Posted 12 months ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Permits will, IMO, reinforce the bad behavior of folks who already think it is OK to steal whatever they want.  If they PAY to use the CGs, for example, there will be no chance that the rest of us can grow our crops because the Groups that pay will take over the CGs and take everything they can grab, after all, they PAID for it!

    OTOH, if there are permits, maybe there could be gardens (etc.) that work like the Party locations.  Buy a Garden Pack and have access to a large CG all your own!
    Posted 12 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So, what exactly would you like to see as these "guidelines that will ensure no infringements wiil be made on other Glitches"? Nobody will ever be publicly granted carte blanche permission to Collect All The Things simply because they want to... I mean, they could do so anyway since the game mechanics allow it, but they are, in fact, playing the game with other people who might also want to Collect All The Things. Are you looking to resolve this issue between the Collectors Of All The Things?

    Do you want to restrict the number of Glitchen that can gather in a single street? Limit the number of items a single Glitch can drop in a street within a given amount of time? Limit the number of items a single Glitch can pick up in a street within a given amount of time? Something else entirely?

    Where would your proposed fee go? What sort of things do you propose to spend the currants on? Who gets to decide what the currants get spent on? Who would be responsible for collecting fees, and by what method would they do so? Who among the aforementioned groups/societies/whatever would be responsible for paying these fees?
    Posted 12 months ago by Jennyanydots Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Shiromisa...I'm not talking about the evil-doers (the take everything, ask for more and leave nothing g***ches). But, really. Why do it? Why put all that stuff out there when you know someone might come along and take it all? You do it because you like the fellowship!
    The real issue is the clubbies issuing group guidelines on how certain resources shall be mined, ie., The Sparkle Dumpling Gang.
    I always get the feeling when I come to a large gathering somewhere in Ur and there's lots of goodies popping up in every direction, that they wished I hadn't seen them. "Oh no! Is this a Good Glitch or a Bad Glitch." "Glenda or the Wicked Glitch of the West?"
    Posted 12 months ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Don't expect to do your group thing among the masses if it entails strict cooperation from everyone. If you do? It may cause a glitch in the system. It's a risk YOU and not the general public take.
    Posted 12 months ago by bayBi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I read what you wrote and understood.  

    I suppose what I did not make clear in my post is that I feel a permit that gives some people special privileges in a public street would simply render that street not really all that public.  It would then serve the exact same function and role as a private clubhouse, and I wouldn't be the slightest bit bothered by it as long as my group could lay claim somewhere else.  

    Anyway, to actually comment on the topic at hand, my friends and I have an area where we tend to camp.  We occasionally have parties in that public space where we lay out food and drinks that any of us can grab as needed.  On rare occasion we do have someone come through and take everything, but extremely rare.  9 times out of 10 people not familiar with the area just ask what's going on and we tell them to feel free take a snack and a drink and hangout if they like.  

    On those rare occasions where someone takes everything, someone will usually write "wow, what a jerk," and then we work on laying out another spread.  Life goes on and we still enjoy it.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • original post is an example of using utilize when one can use use.
    Posted 12 months ago by ruptures Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Saucelah - yeah see, there are far more people that play than streets that could be claimed, and not everyone wants to join every group. it is indeed a very elitist concept to take a *public* area and make it private. This is so very different than housing, which isn't public to begin with, so no, I don't feel you can make the comparison. Public street vs private house = apples vs oranges

    but again, this whole thing will be moot if they allow for group clubhouses. OR if they do what some people think is going to happen with houses, since TS said you will be able to more or less pick your neighbors. I'm excited to see what happens with housing. I *hope* it will remove the entire elitist entitlement issue with hidden locations, though doubtful.
    Posted 12 months ago by Pixieyelsraek Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The Wickdoon Wood Preserve is a smallish group of about 50 players. Our goal is to keep 4 wood trees on Wickdoon Mood in good shape (4 branches if possible). Unfortunately, a small number of other glitchen consider it tyranny that non-wood trees in the 4 slots on Wickdoon Mood get replaced by wood trees. There are 4 players I know of who like to poison wood trees; 3 have posted in forum threads about the harsh tyranny of anybody's undoing their efforts in Wickdoon Mood. One of them told me triumphantly yesterday he had succeeded in poisoning every public wood tree in Groddle, outside Wickdoon Mood. So I guess quest-doers and tool-makers have even more reason to be glad that in one street at least the wood trees being poisoned get replaced with other wood trees.

    Wickdoon Mood is a public street, not a private area. Hundreds of tree-harvesters, shrine visitors, grocery vendor customers, dirt pile diggers, etc. come through every week. It gives me a lot of pleasure to think that part of my role-play here is helping to create something of general use. I also really enjoy chatting, in group or on the street if I'm there for a visit. When I first started, I was a bit of a noodge about asking people to water and pet the trees; other members told me to take it easy. And frankly, petting and watering aren't enough to preserve a wood tree on a public street. It needs regular doses of Fertilidust, something our group members tend to make lots and lots of. But in the past week, many glitchen I did not know before have been giving free wood beans and Fertilidust to any group member they see there, to help out and keep the street going. I'd like to thank all those nice people for their kind thoughts and their help.
    Posted 12 months ago by Vocable Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Vocable - that is awesome :-) see, that's a way to "claim" an area *without* being selfish. it remains a public area, and everyone has an activity.
    Posted 12 months ago by Pixieyelsraek Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm willing to consider that I might be missing something, but I don't see a sense of entitlement in the act of saying "We're a group and we like to leave things out around here for everyone to share.  Please don't be greedy and take it all or we'll think you're a jerk"  

    Let's look at a real world analog: let's say my friends and I decide to have a small party by picnicking at a public park.  We lay out an impressive spread on a picnic table, turn our backs for a moment, and when we turn around, someone has finished stuffing his pockets with all the burgers and dogs he can carry and is busy trying to be scarce before we notice him -- let's say it's even legal, that there's a sign at the park specifying that "all may cook, all may eat" -- are we elitists for expecting that person to only take a reasonable share?  Are we elitists then for thinking that person a jerk?  I find it absurd to even imagine telling that story and having someone say "wow, you're an elitist prick."  

    To clarify, knowing that "all may cook, all may eat," I would take no further action than to call the person a jerk and make a mental note of who they are so I never help them in any way in the future.  So if the sandbox group is going beyond that, than I guess I can see why it might be perceived as elitism.  
    Posted 12 months ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • saucelah - again, i was trying to repond not directly about the sandbox group. i'm not out to attack anyone specifically here, i just assume the OP wrote this about the drama on the forums with the sandbox group. I realize you are a member of the sandbox group, and are a bit touchy about all the drama that's been going on, but *this isn't about you* I have ****NO*** opinions about the sandbox group one way or the other. Nor was i writing about anything that can CURRENTLY be done in game, my response was about making a PUBLIC area PRIVATE, closing it to anyone not in a specific group, by allowing a group to claim it by permit - something NOT in game right now. Is that clearer?
    Posted 12 months ago by Pixieyelsraek Subscriber! | Permalink