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Housing Block Issue

I know this isnt a new topic, but any input is appreciated.

I run an HOA. We have 301 mid range houses (5000-15000 currants). I have a team of 6 players who are the Welcome Committee so to speak. They make sure new players to our Quarter are recognized, invited to the Group, and host community events. One of their responsibilities is to keep the community resident list current.

After a quick update last night, we have approx 50 (cuz I lost count) of our 301 homes owned by inactive players. Mostly level 14 and under players who played awhile, set the skill querer and havent been back. We need active neighbors to be a community. While this isnt an issue for the 50000 currant Quarters who have long term players in them, I imagine it must be similar for the 1000 currant apartments and treehouse communities if we took a closer look. This is surprising and concerning considering we are only 2 months into Launch.

I propose to the devs a system where players have to reach level 20 and remain active within 3 months or their account goes inactive, the house is released and the cost of the house and its contents is returned to the player should they return to activate their account.
Or something similar.

My concern with just building new houses continually is that I previously played a game where inactive castles could never be bought and the game company just kept adding new "blocks" (servers). This eventually eroded the great community spirit that we all had with our neighbors as everyone continued to just keep moving away from dead blocks and eventually left the game. As we gain ability to add onto our homes in Glitch, we wont want to keep moving around and having streets with other active players will become increasingly important.

ETA Thoughtful responses from the community appreciated.

Posted 13 months ago by Dagnabbit Rabbit Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • people come and go.  They leave for awhile and come back.

    ideas forum?
    Posted 13 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Has been discussed at length on Ideas forum, IIRC. Basically the conclusion seems to be that deleted / banned accounts will lose their stuff / houses while inactive accounts will not, at least not at this time.
    Posted 13 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How do you know that these players are inactive? 

    Please, please tell me it's NOT determined by who's participating in the HOA.

    Every day I'm increasingly grateful I do not live in your quarter.
    Posted 13 months ago by Xev Subscriber! | Permalink
  • In Real Life, we live in an area where we are relieved to not have to deal with a Homeowner's Association.  The nosy lady down the street can remain just that, and not a 'community leader' thankyouverymuch.  I certainly wouldn't want to have to deal with a 'vigorous' one here in the game.  It's a good thing to know your neighbors and nice to live in a place with a community feel.  But I meet people on my own, I don't need a 'street lieutenant' telling me who is who.

    I would never want the rules for tenancy here in the game to be changed to accommodate Homeowner's Associations as an integral part of the game.  Even without any changes, will there suddenly be organized peer pressure as to how many pumpkins or gnomes I can have out in front of my house?  I could see that happening.
    Posted 13 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Haha indeed Xev, how is it known that these guys are in fact inactive? And even if they are, perhaps they are on holiday or otherwise busy. Or maybe they bought their house and just don't feel like playing anymore. It's not really any of your (or anyone else's business) how often they choose to play the game.

    To be honest I think neighbourhoods don't really have "communities" anyway, throughout beta and launch I've played in a bunch of different neighbourhoods and despite having experienced the "leaving free stuff outside each other's houses" thing and the parties, the interactions come off as very superficial (why are you giving me gifts? it's not because you think i'm nice or i deserve it; it's because *you* want to feel nice..) and pretty meaningless. Your neighbourhood is probably not going to suffer due to a few inactive players. What if they were active and simply didn't want to participate? Would your HOA still suffer then? It's not up to other players to make -your- community work, if you want one you need to make it work yourself.
    Posted 13 months ago by victoriah Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree with the OP and have in other threads.  IMO the criteria should be not entering the world for a year.     I do agree that 1/4 of residents inactive according to their profile - no real activity for a month or so - is disquieting.  
    Posted 13 months ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Xev: I doubt it's based on who's active in the HOA group. If that were the case, then 98% of the people in that neighborhood would be inactive. :P

    There's absolutely no pressure to be all that active in the HOA if one doesn't want to be. When they get there, they're offered a warm welcome and an invite to the group; if they don't want to be a part of it, that's perfectly fine, and everyone is still going to be friendly to them. So I don't get where you're coming from on being "increasingly grateful" to not be in that quarter simply because of the HOA.

    The issue brought forth in the OP is only being illustrated by this HOA; not stating it as the only reason there should be something implemented.

    That said:

    I still stand by my desire to not have inactives lose housing, even though I understand the nature of the concerns in this thread (and am an active participant in the HOA illustrated) which can be also illustrated with the way LotRO housing has panned out over the years with constant new neighborhood addition and no eviction.

    I appreciate seeing some different views on what criteria could be considered, but I don't think level is a good one, as many people have stated they actively try to not level up much.

    Not entering the world for a RL year and perhaps not having logged into the main site for as long might be as close to fair as can be done, but I still don't feel that good about eviction in any case.

    Edited to bold a few points.
    Posted 13 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whats next I wonder? What if some people are active but dont want to be part of your 'community'? What then? Make new rules how a player can only buy a house if he signs up and agrees to the rules of that group? What's it to you how much they play and how long they play and if their house is right next to yours?
    I find it quite disturbing that you actually went and checked the profiles and activity of your silent neighbours when you saw they failed to be part of your community stuff.
    This is not the type Glitch community I like and I hope it will never be supported by TS.
    Posted 13 months ago by Meliblue Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Meliblue: As I stated, there are lots of people active that don't participate a lot in the actual group. No one puts any requirements on anyone. :P

    I'll reiterate:

    "There's absolutely no pressure to be all that active in the HOA if one doesn't want to be. When they get there, they're offered a warm welcome and an invite to the group; if they don't want to be a part of it, that's perfectly fine, and everyone is still going to be friendly to them."
    Posted 13 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Make new rules how a player can only buy a house if he signs up and agrees to the rules of that group?"

    That's how Homeowner's Associations work in the real world.  It's really rather chilling, if you're not interested in being 'part of the group.'  If you disagree with 'the rules' your only choice is to 'get involved' (always said in a chirpy voice) or move to a new neighborhood.  Mandatory dues*, mandatory rules compliance**, it always comes to that in the end.  If housing prices become variable here (which would be a fun new change to the game- to be able to sell your desirable house for an appreciated amount) I can see all sorts of room for huffy busybodies to insist on 'neighborhood standards.'  Property values and all that.

    (* we need to collect again to pay for more piggies.
    ** someone keeps cutting down the wood tree.)

    To be fair, maybe I am venting about real life HOA's and it will never go that far here.  I have an idea that same sort of person*** in real life has joined up here too, though.

    (***that busybody down the street)
    Posted 13 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't like the idea of HOA's in RL, definitely. I don't like feeling forced to interact with my neighbors and such... or forced to dispense my limited funds into some HOA coffer for crap.
    Posted 13 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lol. Meliblue, the point wasnt the HOA activity. At all. The point was inactive player homeownership. I only used the HOA group (of which there are many as Glitches tend to be neighborly friendly types for the most part) as an example. Activity in ANY group in Glitch is of couse voluntary. By inactive players, we are referring to someone who joined Oct 3, hugged a pig at level 7, bought a house, and hasnt earned an achievement since. Most likely the game just wasnt for them. No biggie. We do look for new neighbors though when we have time so we can say hi and Invite them to the Group, and when adding them as Friends on their Profile page, some have seemingly already left the game. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Parrow, Its all good. I vent a lot too! Lol :) (hugs)
    Posted 13 months ago by Dagnabbit Rabbit Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Really?  Another housing thread?  *sighs*

    Let me put inactivity in perspective.  I suffer from chronic illness (IRL obviously).  I go to the hospital a lot, both for tests and for surgery.  Many times, I have become so ill I could not leave my bed / hospital room for days and even weeks.  So to think that inactivity would rob me of my house in a short period of time is disturbing to me, because I love this game and I would love to be able to come back to it after a forced absence and pick up where I left off.  If we do have inactive player housing reassignments, they should be after a seriously extended leave of absence and multiple e-mail warnings as well as warnings on the site, maybe under the Help link area like when there's a problem and they have active reports waiting ("1/1" type thing).

    I don't agree that compliance or participating in a HOA should be mandatory, nor anything else like that, nor housing taxes as has been suggested in other threads.

    OK there's my 2+ currants.  -_-"
    Posted 13 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Miso, No one said anything of the type about participation. And if I accidentally implied that, my apologizes. You misunderstood. Although you did just make an excellent point about absentee players which I appreciate and is why I asked for thoughtful input. Thanks! I also know of some mmos where you can click a button that basically sets your status as On Holiday or something like that, which is not necessary but kind of nice for your in game friends.
    Posted 13 months ago by Dagnabbit Rabbit Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Really.  Someone who hasn't authenticated to the site or entered the world in an entire year isn't coming back.  They probably can't even remember their password. 
    Posted 13 months ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • They very well may have even set up a new account because they forgot the old password, and/or made some terrible skill learning mistakes they couldn't undo.  Housing reuse/recycling is an interesting matter. 

    One of the houses I've moved into was really REALLY full of stuff, but none of it looked particularly current.  There were a huge number of those SWF Glitch games (I still have a full large bag full of them that I got at that house) and loads and loads of resources.  And there were a lot of animals but just two stacks of butterfly eggs.  It seemed to be a house that had been unattended for some time (it was a 15K Groddle Meadow house, at the time nearly an unobtainable property) that had come onto the market because someone had deleted their account.  There was much more than people usually just abandon while moving. 

    This begs the question, though, of whether the contents of a house from a deleted account would still contain all the 'stuff' that wasn't on the account holder's person when they quit.  I suspect probably it would.
    Posted 13 months ago by Parrow Gnolle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok.. who died and decided that if you live in your housing block they must "join" the group? How do YOU know they are inactive? Many just transport to their houses! Glitch was made in the way you play the way you want to play. Now we have housing groups that assume if your Glitchen lives there they HAVE to participate? What if that Glitchen moved in and was RPing a grumpy old man that would rather have you FOR dinner than HAVE dinner with you? It has already been stated in another thread that if they are cancelled accounts the houses go back up on the market but TS is not going to remove inactive players from their houses.
    For those that are with the welcoming committee that is wonderful you do that... however the new homeowner does not have to "join" in on anything.. it is a choice for that player not a must. I too stand by not having inactive players lose their houses! I too go inactive for awhile due to health reasons.. I would not have to want to log on and find that I have lost my house and all the work I put into saving the money for that house.
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think there are any number of reasons a player might be inactive. While I agree that after a period of time houses should revert to the market, that period of time should be somewhere between 6-12 months- plenty long enough for somebody to check in. I don't, however, think that "inactivity" oughtta be gauged by whether or not somebody's giving your neighborhood a "community feel", HOA or no. Like I said elsewhere, my house is my cave (though, it's in the bogs ;)- if I don't want to be in a big crowd, and just wanna stand around making things, or IMing, or dumping pumpkins on my floors, I can. I don't know the other two people on my street, and tbh, I'm fine with that- I don't expect them to come by for coffee every morning or anything. If I run into them at some point and find that I enjoy their company, great; but if not, their not hanging out on their porches everytime I leave the house isn't gonna upset me. I don't feel that, since we're not bosom buddies, they should lose their houses for being "inactve", which in this case likely means "inconspicuous", since I don't care enough to check. It's whatevs, and not my business.
    As far as HOAs go, nope. I'll hang out with people and make friends, but I'm not joining an organization. If people think that makes me Ebenezer Scrooge, that's their prerogative, but no thanks- these sorts of things have a way of slowly taking over your decision-making. And besides, if I want 42 gnomes on my doorstep, I will put 42 gnomes on my doorstep. Case closed. It's my house, my gameplay, and my business. I'm sure people's hearts are generally in the right place in game HOAs, but thank you anyway.

    Of course, that's just my opinion; I could be wrong :)
    Posted 13 months ago by Djabriil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • 1. Keep your filthy paws off my house.

    2. The game went live September 27th. There are NO inactive players.

    3. "There's absolutely no pressure to be all that active in the HOA if one doesn't want to be. When they get there, they're offered a warm welcome and an invite to the group; if they don't want to be a part of it, that's perfectly fine, and everyone is still going to be friendly to them."

    Trying to steal my house is NOT friendly.

    4. Really, keep your filthy paws off my house.
    Posted 13 months ago by Billy McBinky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Casombra- Never said anything about joining or anything close to it. We have 100+ home owners not in our group and thats just fine, and again, the post wasnt intended to be about any particular group, rather about thoughts on recycling houses & how quickly we've accumulated a decent amount of inactive players in game. Sorry to hear about your health issues!
    Posted 13 months ago by Dagnabbit Rabbit Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've noticed there are a lot of heated feelings about this topic.  So, please keep in mind that what I'm saying is intended to be as neutral as possible.

    It seems to me that there's a solution that keeps both groups happy (or maybe unhappy, but that's often the sign of a good compromise).  Let us say, hypothetically, that Tiny Speck sets a period of time that one must go without logging in to either the website or the game to be considered Officially Inactive (OI).  Once a player is OI, a system could then be put in place to move their house into an undisclosed alternate dimension.  The address they previously occupied would then be available for purchase.  Should the OI player return, their house can be automatically placed in an area-appropriate open housing block, or they can be given a choice of said open housing blocks.  Then, just like magic, the giants have imagined that the no-longer-OI player's house now exists somewhere else but is otherwise identical to the state in which they left it.
    Posted 13 months ago by Magic Monkey Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Really.  Someone who hasn't authenticated to the site or entered the world in an entire year isn't coming back.  They probably can't even remember their password. 

    Not true. At all. I admin a gaming forum. We've had a number of folks who have disappeared for *years* and come back. Admittedly, it's a forum and not a specific game, but it is not uncommon to see posts (or folks coming into the chat room) saying something about how they've been around since X, Y or Z and what's new? where should I jump in to catch up?

    Personally, I've been playing another game since 2004. I go in spurts with it where I'll play for a few months and disappear for a few more months. My longest disappearance was well over a year. This last one hasn't been as long, but I haven't played daily since about February and, until a couple weeks ago (when I got an email from a player who wanted to buy a rare & limited item in my display case, hadn't logged in since March). I've checked in and played turns a couple times since then. If that limited item had been taken from me because I hadn't played in six months or year (as was the case before), I'd be quite upset and, honestly, don't think I'd return. I spent my time & effort to get it, to have it snatched away because I didn't login for a few months... screw that!   

    And I know that I am far from alone. I've got a handful of friends that play the game in a similar fashion and have met more there. People have lives, sometimes things get in the way. Or, maybe, they just need a break or find another distraction for a while. That doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't ever returning.
    Posted 13 months ago by Vera Strange Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Magic Monkey. Bad idea! Take for instance Miso George and chronic illness and myself with health problems or any number of players with RL things going on such as military and things like that. I don't think we should have to face losing our chosen homes in a place we chose to live and come back to having a poor choice. As you well know, 50k homes and certain areas are at a premium and not always available and the area is not always available! To be honest it should be left alone the way Tiny Speck has ALREADY stated. They will NOT be removing inactive account from their homes they only put deleted account housing back on the market.
    As Billy McBlinky stated:

    1. Keep your filthy paws off my house.

    2. The game went live September 27th. There are NO inactive players.

    3. "There's absolutely no pressure to be all that active in the HOA if one doesn't want to be. When they get there, they're offered a warm welcome and an invite to the group; if they don't want to be a part of it, that's perfectly fine, and everyone is still going to be friendly to them."

    Trying to steal my house is NOT friendly.

    4. Really, keep your filthy paws off my house.

    AMEN!
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Noticing a new neighbor,welcoming them to the neighborhood/introducing yourself to new neighbor,even inviting them to a community event,is what I would see as *normal*,if we all lived in the same area/same  country/same time zone....
    ...but knowing how long they've been at any level,and knowing how long ago they've gotten their last achievement? How can you tell if someone set up a skill queuer? Ugh,that's just creepy.
    Posted 13 months ago by ~Scilly~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ ScillyGirl5 creepy it is... it is more like stalking. The more I am thinking about it the more I am quite appalled at some here that think the way you play the game is not the right way to play the game. Where I live in RL I have nosy neighbors.. what makes you think I want them in a game too? If you want to play Mrs. Gladys Kravitz please keep that to yourself and keep your nose out of my business. Can I stop you from being Mrs. Kravitz? No. However you have no right to expect me to be your bosom buddy either. I chose WHO I want to chat with and be friends with or be a player that likes to keep to ones self. Respect goes two ways... so quit stalking and have fun playing the game.. your not our personal block police. 
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There is no way for a player to tell if another player is inactive. I often log on and make no progress on my level/achievements. Why? Because I'm standing still in my house and chatting with my friends. And I know a lot of people that I see on nearly every time I'm online who very rarely level or have achievements.

    Plus, the game really is young enough that inactivity since it went live can't be determined yet anyway.

    I wouldn't be surprised if their will be batch "foreclosures" on houses owned by deleted players in the future (like, once a month all of those houses get freed up). But I think actions penalizing players that seem to be inactive would be bad business for TS. Sometimes life gets in the way and losing a house after perceived inactivity would turn some people against paying. I'm planning to pay once I can afford to, but would probably think twice about it if I came back after a bit of a break to find myself homeless. Especially since my house has a lot of things stored in it--far more than can be returned to my little guy with his limited inventory.
    Posted 13 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • In RL, I live on a street jam-packed with nosy neighbors.  I don't need anything like that here.  That's one of the things I love about Glitch--I can be completely independent without anything I do being anyone else's business.
    Posted 13 months ago by Berry Goode Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Personally I'd hate to come back to the game after an absence and find no house.  
    It would ruin my gameplay. 
    I don't want to feel like I have to play all the time. I want to want to play all the time. 
    I've also had times in my life where I've had to be offline for long periods of time that weren't down to my choice. Illnesses, hospital stays, work, internet issues.   Why should I be penalized for that in game? 
    Posted 13 months ago by Ebil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Can anyone provide a link that documents staff making any kinds of statements about this?

    As far as I know, any conclusions about who will or will not lose their houses is just gossip and wishful thinking by players.  
    Posted 13 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Windborn www.glitch.com/forum/genera... there you go! On the second page here is TS staff answer!
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but I think you're on a bit of a power trip. It would be ridiculously stupid of the devs to marginalize players who hit plateaus or go away from the game for a while and kick them out of their hard-earned homes. They want to keep players, not punish and lose them. I have never been part of an HOA (or really even heard of one) and have gotten along just fine, with plenty of other community opportunities (especially outside my home). I don't see what the big deal is about these "dead" homes you speak of. If you all want your HOA so badly, maybe just buy up whole blocks together? I don't see how this is any reason for concern or punitive game play changes.
    Posted 13 months ago by Reigh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks Casombra.

    Just so you know, if you click the "permalink" under the specific post, it will give you a link to exactly that post.

    Like this
    Posted 13 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh thanks WindBorn, didn't know that! Another good learning experience! Most other forums on other games we just did ye ole copy and paste!
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As the OP says, "we are only 2 months into Launch."  This is no time whatsoever, so please, take this down several notches.  Oh My Giants, there are people who are not playing.   Every.  Single.  Day. 

    How rude of them to mess up your little Association that they have no obligation to care about at all. 

    And wait a few more months, maybe a year, before deciding who is really inactive or not.  You have no idea what in RL or game has meant that some folks are gone for a while.  Leave them be.

    I'd much rather have the Devs concentrate on adding such amazing new content to the game that everyone comes running back to play.  If they waste their time with the "problem" of taking stuff away from people who haven't played for a month, all they will do is create an environment where fewer people want to join, stay, or especially come back, because the issue of replacing stuff that you lost when work, school or even vacation took you away is too much of a hassle.
    Posted 13 months ago by KhaKhonsu Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Billy, my quote has nothing to do with stealing anyone's home. I was stating how it works, because people seem to be thinking that it is some tyrannical group that harangues people until they join or treats them badly if they don't want to play that way, which is completely not the case. The majority could not give a flying rat's ass how or why people play the way they play.

    The HOA is not bringing up the issue nor is it pushing the issue. The HOA is being used as an example of what the OP (one member within the HOA) knows to address what concerns them about an issue that could potentially come up in the future. An example.

    ETA: I will again point out, I am on the opposing side of the issue; I do not want to see restrictions on inactives and their housing. Yet I do like the HOA just fine and have never felt any pressure from anyone within it to change my mostly solitary method of playing.
    Posted 13 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well said Mereret! <giggles at "Oh My Giants, there are people who are not playing.   Every.  Single.  Day. How rude of them to mess up your little Association that they have no obligation to care about at all.">
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i'm personally very, very worried by any player who has a team of people whose "responsibility" is to welcome people to a neighborhood and keep track of the housing on the block.

    i am further worried by anyone whose concerns involve the hazards that inactive players represent for their awesome community.

    MY idea of a perfect neighborhood is one where people leave me alone. happily, i live on a street where there are no parties, no chitchat, and very, very few notes about anything. if there's a HOA i don't know about it.

    i am not in the least bit worried about the erosion of great community spirit.
    Posted 13 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ flask. I feel the same way. Who do they think they are? Probably the same people that live around me in real life that seem to make a point of sticking their noses into each and everything anyone does in the neighborhood. Makes me feel like before I use the toilet I have to yell out the window, "Hey all I am using the toilet! Do I have to clear it through you first?"
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Even if TS implement an eviction policy, you can still expect to accumulate a lot of inactive players in your neighborhood who are either not yet evicted or immune to eviction.  With those players tying up housing, TS will have to keep building to keep the housing market interesting for newbies.

    If they do implement eviction, I think 3 months is probably too soon and I like the idea of a certain level of play or maybe a certain commitment making you immune from eviction.  What if you paid a 'vacation home tax' or house sitter fee for a home that you only plan to visit rarely, to ensure that it is protected from squatters?   It should be a moderate amount, not so cheap that everybody would pay it as a matter of course, but something easily achievable for people who know they need to be offline sometimes.

    I rarely run into my neighbors even though many are active, so I don't see the inactivity hurting neighborhoods as much as it hurts housing opportunities for newbies.   The larger neighborhood has enough people that a HOA could still do stuff, I think.  If your group shrank too much from the 250 you have now, you could partner with a "sister city" either near or far for to get back to critical mass.
    Posted 13 months ago by Zauberberg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I didn't realize there was so much controversy around HOAs.  I wonder how these feelings are  going to play out with group halls when members are all contributing resources to building and looking after the halls?
    Posted 13 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It seems to me that the major concern is simply that people have a desire to live in a certain location or Block, maybe to be near the Friends they play with.  This is getting very hard to do.  Sometimes you cannot find housing in the area where your friends live or you can't find the house you want due to unavailability.  At the same time, some of the Homes seem to belong to people who seem to be inactive in the game.

    One solution, of course, is to send the "inactive" homeowner a letter and ask if you might purchase their home.  If they occasionally play, they may reply.  OTOH, they may have left the Game with no intention of ever playing again.  Sad for them and sad for those who would love to have their house.  No solution.

    There may come a point where the Devs decide to delete FREE accounts that have been inactive for a certain length of time (hopefully a lengthy time).  I don't think they want to do that yet.

    Sometimes inactivity has a good reason.  I was completely inactive in Faunasphere for about a month and then mostly inactive for an additional two months due to an illness.  After that, I was inactive for much of another two months due to connection issues (problems with ISP).  I would have been devastated to return to the game upon my recovery (and reconnection) and find that my FREE account had been deactivated.  There are also other reasons for inactivity which have nothing to do with not wanting to play.
    Posted 13 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think Treesa that group halls are a different kettle of fish.. but our personal houses are not really anyone's business to be honest.

     When you have HoA's checking up on " how long they've been at any level,and knowing how long ago they've gotten their last achievement", and "who has a team of people whose "responsibility" is to welcome people to a neighborhood and keep track of the housing on the block" That is being nosy pure and simple. Sure it is "nice" if they so chose to welcome new people but they should not expect any of them jumping on the proverbial HoA bandwagon and certainly not be sticking their noses into other player's comings and goings by digging into their profiles.

     I wish to the almighty Giants we could have an ability to lock out our profiles to the public if we so choose. Trust me very few would see my profile then except for those I WANT to see my profile and a HoA would not be the few that is for sure!
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This thread makes me sad. Sad, sad Garney =(
    Posted 13 months ago by Garney Subscriber! | Permalink
  • <hands Garney a cookie> Hope that helps cheer you up!
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This issue has come up a lot so I'll throw my 2 currants in:
    1- I like that we CAN have HOAs, they are optiobal and should stay that way.
    2- I don't like the idea of being the only active player on ky street but I dint think its fair to kick an inactive player out even if everything is refunded, period.

    I think the obly good option would be tfor TS to allow us to move our houses. If you're at 3815 and the other 3800s are inactive yoy could move your house to 3200 block
    Posted 13 months ago by Prophet ð.ð Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's pretty humorous that the HOA which exists to welcome people is at the same time so very interested in kicking people out. LOL.
    Posted 13 months ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Flowerry Pott, yep pretty hypocritical huh?
    Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yay for willful misunderstanding.

    Yay for generalization.

    The topic is about inactive housing and possible issues that could arise in the future from it. Is it an overdone topic right now? Maybe so. But it is the topic at hand.

    There is no HoA running around Glitch saying, "Join us or leave!" Not anywhere, and definitely not the HoA in the example.

    Regardless of that fact (oh, yes, fact), people are choosing to focus on the HoA in the example as though it is the Borg. That makes some nice people sad.

    Resistance is Futile.
    Posted 13 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've never met anyone on my street.  IRL I have a job where I usually work 15 hours a day with no internet access. Occasionally I am on location for months at a time.  I am usually in game at least once a day, but sometimes only for a few minutes to feed my piggies and water my trees.  I bought a year subscription to Glitch while it was still in Beta.  I would hate to think that I could possibly lose my house and the other possessions in it (that I worked very hard to acquire) simply because a group of players has decided that they want a more engaged neighbor.

    I also think a 'vacation tax' is a preposterous idea.  Why should I pay a tax on an item in game that I worked and paid for myself? Why should I be taxed to play this game at *my* leisure? My leisure time is extremely limited, and I should not be penalized for playing it at my own pace.
    Posted 13 months ago by Violet Faulds Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Little Miss Giggles, you're lying.

    This is not a discussion of some future issue. The OP is talking about their HOA wanting to kick out players right now who they claim have not played enough in the time since launch, which is less than two months. That HOA is saying they want to kick out people to enhance "community feel." I'm sure that if someone were a member of their HOA, they wouldn't be trying to kick them out. Sounds like "Join us or get booted" is certainly part of their modus operandi.

    Dagnabit Rabbit also tells Miso George that he/she certainly doesn't intend this to boot out MG or others who are away for extended periods for weeks at a time.due to health issues. Again, a lie, since it is DR who claims their are over 50 "inactive" players in their block and they need to lose their homes.

    The third lie, of course, is that anyone is an inactive player. This game is less than two months old. NOBODY can be considered inactive in that period.

    So, we have three lies from those in favour of stealing houses. They're lying because they don't want to admit the truth: they think they should be able to have whatever house they want and have it now.
    Posted 13 months ago by Billy McBinky Subscriber! | Permalink
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