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#### Awesome Examples of non-oppressive, totally fun, HOA's?

Hey guys, I just started up the "Awesome Residents of Kalp Clips" group. I want it to be for residents of Kalp Clips, but I don't want it to be creepy, or become some kind of oppressive Home Owner's Association. Just something fun to join, chat, and share with.
Anyone have any glitchen examples of great, amazing HOA's that are very active and tons of fun?
Anyone a moderator / owner of their local HOA who can share with me their pro-tips?
Love to chat about this and get it rolling in an awesome / non-creepy way!

Posted 13 months ago by ✦ SHI∇IΔΠ ✦ | Permalink

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- The Pedieos Fig Homeowner's Association just started up and we are still seeking new members. I'm sure once we get a few more members we'll be he very best HOA and best community in all of Besara and all of UR.
  Posted 13 months ago by Octo | Permalink
- The Andra Homeowners' Association is pretty cool. We're generally not super active, but I've been to at least one awesome party organized through the HOA and we use it to keep track of what blocks need more livestock and things. Some members leave notes near street signs to invite people to the group, but that's about as pushy as we get. I maintain the herd of pigs on my block as well, though that's just sort of something I do rather than something through the HOA.
  Posted 13 months ago by karibean | Permalink
- How do I join one?
  Posted 13 months ago by Jehannum | Permalink
- Jehannum: looks like this is yours
  Posted 13 months ago by ✦ SHI∇IΔΠ ✦ | Permalink
- my idea of a really fun HOA is one that doesn't leave notes, host parties, or monitor anything.
  it does not beautify, build, or organize.
  it should be quiet and invisible.
  yeah, perfect.
  my neighborhood is awesome because there are three super active players on the street and we never speak at all except to exchange polite hellos if we meet while coming in and out. there is nothing at all to suggest that we are even in the game, and that's the way we like it.
  perfect.
  Posted 13 months ago by flask | Permalink
- Why would you care if other people have parties? You don't like groups? Fine. Don't join one. Nobody is forcing you. If you don't like socializing, just keep acting like a jackwagon.
  Posted 13 months ago by Bunny Snuggler | Permalink
- Bunny, some "organizers" of housing associations can be pretty aggressive with their "overtures". Although you can't be forced to join, a neighborhood can be pretty unfriendly if you don't play the way they want to play, with lots of parties and interactions. If your preference is for few interactions, there's nothing like people who keep interacting with you to make it unpleasant.
  People who don't like socializing have just as much right in this game to play the way they prefer without being called names in the public forums.
  Posted 13 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- My desire is to make / help run a home-owner-esque org that is TOTALLY optional and NOT forceful in any way. I'd rather make friends than make people feel uncomfortable.
  However, if you don't want to deal with players that are hosting parties or leaving notes, you might want to look to playing a different game... glitchens LOVE those things (HA or not)!
  Posted 13 months ago by ✦ SHI∇IΔΠ ✦ | Permalink
- if one doesn't care for social interactions in game, why would it matter if the neighborhood was unfriendly? Block and move on.
  I'm with bunny on this one -- no one can force anyone to do anything and you don't even have to leave the ability for them to talk to you.
  Posted 13 months ago by Red Sauce | Permalink
- to say that glitchen love these things is rather a sweeping generalization and is therefore false.
  SOME glitchen love these things, but many do not.
  and since the OP was asking what would make a good HOA, i would like to go on record as saying that for those of us who do not like these things, they can be very oppressive and make a neighborhood very uncomfortable and i wished to put that idea out there.
  should i HAVE to block my neighbors (and all their guests) just to live on a street where it's quiet and the place isn't busy with "fun" activities?
  time and time again i see these groups form and people who think it's totally fun and non-oppressive adn completely voluntary to monitor the comings and goings of their neighbors and sooner or later it becomes a debate about whose houses we're going to damage or remove because they're not fun enough.
  and this is illustrated quite clearly in that i say i like my neighbors silent and polite and i am called a jackwagon and i am told i am in the wrong game, because glitchens [sic] like things some other way than how i like things.
  apparently the spirit of glitch is to let people all be free and diverse so long as they're fun the way YOU think they're fun and all those not appropriately in happy lockstep aren't worth considering because they're not in YOUR true spirit of glitch.
  Posted 13 months ago by flask | Permalink
- I don't like notes outside every damn door on my street, which in turn makes it look like Detroit.
  Nor do I like people asking me to join their HoA every time I do a house swap.
  Posted 13 months ago by Volkov | Permalink
- I teleport in and out of my house so that I don't see my neighbors. People leave me stuff on my stoop and ask me if I got it.
  NOPE.
  Cos I'm an antisocial bastard and I teleport. Teleport 5, glitches! TELEPORT FIIIIIVE!
  People ask me, "Yo, Xev! Did you get that present I left you on your street?"
  And I'm like, "NOPE."
  "Hey, Xev! I know you leave your house cos you check your mail!"
  "NOPE. I check my mail at random, unpredictable locations to throw you stalkin' bastards off."
  Ya'll are like the paparazzi. Sneaking around my house, trying to take my picture. Leaving me weird mail on my doorstep.
  Posted 13 months ago by Xev | Permalink
- Guilty.
  Posted 13 months ago by Liza Throttlebottom | Permalink
- Lol. In all seriousness, if you want to give me something for some weird reason, actually mail it to me. I never check outside my house for stuff.
  COS I TELEPORT.
  Posted 13 months ago by Xev | Permalink
- Great, okay, HoA's suck. Check. I'll never ask for help about this again. Sheesh.
  Posted 13 months ago by ✦ SHI∇IΔΠ ✦ | Permalink
- Mien Evoke's is pretty freaking awesome.
  Posted 13 months ago by Toksyuryel | Permalink
- FREE MEAT FOR ALL! Man, it's gonna be awesome when I have my own island in this game and I run an HOA and give people ridiculous perks for being part of my island.
  Diamonds for allllll!
  I am a benevolent HOA ruler.
  Posted 13 months ago by Xev | Permalink
- I am indifferent to HOAs.
  Full disclosure: I left a note and a modest gift for my existing neighbors when I moved in to say "hello" and indicate that I was not a complete jackwagon and then did the same for any new people moving onto my new street before it filled up, and, after that, left my neighbors alone. They leave me alone. I have no idea if people have moved in or out since. We seem to like it like that. Occasionally we spawn some animals on the street or feed the hungry ones (no trees on street, alas). If they die right on my doorstep, which has happened once, I take the death goodies; if they die elsewhere on the street, I let someone else nab the goods. It works out well.
  On the other hand, a lot of friends live on nearby streets in my region. We have a natter if we bump into each other when out and about. It is a good compromise.
  I can go home and be left alone, or go out and socialize. Win-win.
  Posted 13 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ | Permalink
- To those who have issues with HOA's, have you really been having in-game problems with them bothering you over things? I ask because I want to know if this is a thing that happens.
  Posted 13 months ago by Kaja Rainbow | Permalink
- I want to know who cleaned up all those damn lips outside my house.
  Posted 13 months ago by Volkov | Permalink
- I agree, Toksyuryel.. the Mien Evoke HOA is pretty awesome. They greet new people in the neighborhood, then leave them to their own devices. Whether the people join or not, they are always welcomed if they do pop by any organized activities.
  A farmer's market might be a good idea for you, Shivian, if you've not thought of that. I don't have many other ideas at the moment.. I just know that Mien Evoke was having them once a week for those interested.
  Posted 13 months ago by Little Miss Giggles | Permalink
- OMG I love you Xev, Vokov, Flask!!! Your my kind of glitchens!!!! I too am one that I couldn't give a damn who my neighbors are. The ones I socialize with is the ones I choose to socialize with and they are usually out of my neighborhood. I go to a few things but they are things like Xev's Splank Fight Nights and I chat now and then with players on my travels. When I am at home please leave me alone... I am not one invite you in for coffee.. knock on my door and I will tell you to go away unless I have specifically invited you. Do I check my doorstep? Nope! Do I check my mail? Yes when the whim hits me.
  That comment of
  "My desire is to make / help run a home-owner-esque org that is TOTALLY optional and NOT forceful in any way. I'd rather make friends than make people feel uncomfortable.
  However, if you don't want to deal with players that are hosting parties or leaving notes, you might want to look to playing a different game... glitchens LOVE those things (HA or not)! "
  is soooooo contradictory!!! Totally optional and NOT forceful yet you say you might want to look into playing a different game??? Who the hell do you think you are? What makes you think that glichens LOVE those things? That is rather forward of you to assume all players WANT all that! Well this one does NOT want all that and I am not the only one! Get over yourself!
  Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose | Permalink
- I already knew that Casombra and I had the same viewpoint on this, nice to know we're not alone. When new housing starts, I want to get Xev, Vokov, Flask and Casombra as my neighbors so that we can joyfully ignore each other and know there will never be pie on the dooorstep nor dead pigs around.
  To some this will probably sound terrible, but as things are atm, my ideal housing block would be me and 5/6/7 whatever number empty houses. I should make a dozen alts and buy them all ^^
  Posted 13 months ago by Zira | Permalink
- I wasn't even going to post in this thread because HOAs are not my thing, but really folks. If you don't like the idea, you're free to not participate. Do you really need to pile on the OP about why you don't like it? Just ignore it. The OP is only looking for like-minded glitches anyway; if you're not one of those, just go on your merry way and let him/her do his/her thing. :D
  Posted 13 months ago by Flowerry Pott | Permalink
- I can't fathom the thought of living in a neighborhood with an HOA in the RW, and it's even less appealing in Ur.
  Posted 13 months ago by N2ZOrtolanaBlue | Permalink
- The amount of bile that's been expressed over this topic really saddens me. I don't think sentiments such as "However, if you don't want to deal with players that are hosting parties or leaving notes, you might want to look to playing a different game... glitchens LOVE those things (HA or not)! " and "apparently the spirit of glitch is to let people all be free and diverse so long as they're fun the way YOU think they're fun and all those not appropriately in happy lockstep aren't worth considering because they're not in YOUR true spirit of glitch." are helping the discourse.
  Everyone looks for different things in this game, and I think what'd most help the community in this game is more efforts to discuss things more peacefully, and recognizing that everyone has different valid desires and needs. Sure, some people will always just be outright rude, but I do think it's best not to ascribe outright malice unless they persistently show rudeness in the face of attempts to talk with them.
  And there seems to be this generalization going around of HOA's being pushy and nosy. I do think that the use of the name Houseowner's Association is unfortunate due to the many negative RL examples. (If I was create one, I'd call it a Neighbors Group or something like that.)
  But also, it seems like there's still some bad feeling from that thread attempting to raise a discussion about how to handle the houses of inactive and deleted players, judging from the comment about "sooner or later it becomes a debate about whose houses we're going to damage or remove because they're not fun enough". Firstly, while I disagree with it, I don't think that suggestion was really made with bad intentions. Secondly you're making a generalization that all neighbor social groups would support such a proposal.
  I think the best solution would be for people to find neighborhoods that most suit their social needs and move to them. Neighbors too quiet for you? Find an area with more active and friendly neighbors. Neighbors too friendly for you? Find an area with more quiet neighbors. And if someone's starting up a group in your area, you might want to make your wishes either way known.
  I like participating in random social events, but I also like going off and just doing my own thing whenever I feel like it. My idea neighbor social group would be one that made those things happen, but also respected my wishes if I wanted to decline. Some of the ones mentioned in this thread sound like good examples.
  Posted 13 months ago by Kaja Rainbow | Permalink
- @Kaja, yes, we have really experienced it. In game and on the forums.
  @Flowerry Pot: Not participating is fine. None of us do. But that doesn't stop people from politely insisting that we should join an HOA, or that if we have a problem with something, (why are you leaving so many pigs on my street and getting mad at me for not feeding them?), we should have mentioned it at the HOA.
  @Kaja (latest post): I agree with you. My issue stems from when people form an HOA under the idea that this is a community initiative and rules can be formed. There's a immediate problem with this (which I think may be reconciled to some extent with the new housing TS is developing):
  1) HOAs aren't compulsory - they're voluntary and made created by individual players.
  2) HOAs, by definition, attempt to organize and create, (if not rules), guidelines for their neighborhoods. This is impossible to do if not everyone is a member, and it's impossible to do generally because these HOAs don't have any actual authority to enforce rules.
  Conflict INHERENTLY arises from this because in order to have any say at all, the response is, "Well, you should have joined the HOA if you didn't want a bunch of crap left on your door step."
  The rebuttal seems to be, "don't leave crap on my doorstep. Leave it on the doorsteps of people who are MEMBERS, throw as many parties as you want, but don't bug me about it."
  I'm not entirely clear what the issue with that is, but I understand the frustration when there isn't as much participation as the members or organizers would like. However, I don't think it's particularly fair to say, "don't like it? move."
  I was one of the first people to move into my neighborhood, and my neighbors (though they've changed), tend to be pretty quiet. Should a person move in who wants to form an HOA and get people involved do so, would I be obligated to move out?
  I like my house. I don't give a crap about the neighborhood, but I like the location. Why should I have to move to avoid being harassed by my neighbors?
  Finally, please understand that a lot of the backlash is not directed at the OP directly, but at other people who have participated in this thread. Negative responses aren't inherently meant to be towards the OP. This is a conversation, and a lot of people have participated.
  Posted 13 months ago by Xev | Permalink
- Now I find myself wanting to try my hand at forming a "Neighbor Social Group" (or similar name), which is more akin in tone to the kind of thing I want to see. Anyway, the objectors here at least are pointing the way to some methods that people can use to try to minimize being obnoxious, such as allowing people to opt-out of event notifications, etc.
  @Xev: Yeah, I agree that you shouldn't be obliged to move out. Really, it sounds more like the opus would be upon the would-be HOA creator to respect your wishes. My suggestion to move out was more aimed toward people who've newly moved in and found a neighborhood not to their liking than toward people who've been living in a neighborhood all along. And even then, I wasn't really saying that they should move out, just that it's an option to consider if they aren't specifically attached to that particular location and the people there seem happy with the current arrangement.
  And, yes, I've been noticing that obnoxious rule-makers seem to arise in this game sometimes. That's definitely something I don't like. Speaking in general: Sometimes people're just ignorant of the impacts of their actions or the alternative options that'd be more beneficial for everyone, in which the best option would be to politely explain why you're doing things that way. Sometimes they've perfectly legitimate reasons for doing whatever they want and it's a matter of differing interests, in which negotiation or simply moving on would be the best option. And sometimes you've just got no business imposing yourself upon someone like that, in which the best option would be to just leave them alone.
  There is never really a good excuse for rudeness. Though it happens sometimes. We're all human and have our bad moments. But we should try to make a respectful, friendly atmosphere (which can include giving people peace and quiet if that's what they want).
  Posted 13 months ago by Kaja Rainbow | Permalink
- Kaja, you put that beautifully. I couldn't agree more.
  Posted 13 months ago by Xev | Permalink
- What Xev said.
  Posted 13 months ago by Casombra Amberrose | Permalink
- For what it's worth, the Mien Evoke HOA does NOT try to create or enforce any rules; the closest we get to that is just cleaning up after whatever mess some passerby might make of our home. We're just a bunch of people that all happen to live in the same place and talk to one another, and sometimes arrange events amongst ourselves to find some fun in this game. To say that HOA create rules or standards or guidelines "by definition" is to ignore the reality that says otherwise. I guess what I am trying to say is that just because you've had a bad experience with whatever HOA you've been exposed to, does not mean we are all like that. That's all I have to say.
  Posted 13 months ago by Toksyuryel | Permalink
- No, and that wasn't my point. In real life, an HOA DOES, by definition, create rules / guidelines for the community it manages. In the game, many people who create HOAs (and by calling them HOAs) attempt to do the same thing.
  Going about it in this way is pretty much doomed.
  It doesn't sound like you guys have an HOA, so much as a community. Good for you.
  Posted 13 months ago by Xev | Permalink