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Seasoning beans vs. seasoning eggs

I've been reading on other forum pages that the people who get really high iMG per day often do it by seasoning beans and then donating them using EHSP. My question is: why beans and not eggs? Seasoned eggs are worth more, even un-incubated, and chicken eggs don't require any special grocery or produce, just harvested materials. (Spice, gas, and an egg.) And, for those who are lower levels or want to keep their skill list nice and trim (and their time penalty for skills low), Animal Husbandry for seasoning eggs requires about half the skills as Botany for beans.

Is there something I'm missing? Why is everyone so gung-ho about seasoned beans, but you never hear about seasoned eggs?

Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I'm not sure about others, but I just kind of latched onto beans. Fruit Beans only require cardamon, laughing gas, and a bean, so there isn't anything difficult about them either.

    I should try some eggs sometime.
    Posted 6 months ago by Saiai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The only reasons I can think of off the top of my head is that beans stack way higher than eggs (chicken eggs stack to 10 while beans stack to 100).

    Also for fruit beans you need 1 bean, 3 Cardamon (9 allspice), 2 laughing gas (6 general vapor) while for chicken eggs you need 1 egg, 1 laughing gas (8 vapor), and 10 garlic (10 allspice) which gives the beans a slight edge. Beans are also generally easier to find, this was more true before new housing, and i think there might be some maximum number of ingredients you can make at once advantage to beans.
    Posted 6 months ago by ThursdayNext Subscriber! | Permalink
  • and there was some serious over thinking of beans
    Posted 6 months ago by ThursdayNext Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Also you get a lot more IMG making beans than you do eggs. I got 60 img from making a fruit bean and only 18 from making a chicken egg. I suspect this outweighs the img difference when donating as a fruit bean is only worth 50 currents less than a chicken egg.

    I suspect most people grinding out a lot of beans are doing it for img and not necessarily for favor.
    Posted 6 months ago by ThursdayNext Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ThursdayNext: If you take into account that chicken eggs are worth 200 and fruit beans 150, the ROI is about equivalent (about 2.6). Admittedly, if you're just harvesting the materials, I can see how needing 2 less vapour and 1 less gas per seasoned item adds up eventually.

    I hadn't thought about max stack size. That's interesting. I tend to donate when I've got enough to get my next emblem, which is still moderately low.
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I find I get about 90 img per chicken egg once you account for converting the spice and gas. I'll have to compare that to total img for fruit beans. I'm also mostly doing it for img. Favor is just a nice by-product.
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whats the current to img calculation when donating? I find stack size mattered to me when i did a lot of beaning and donating because i was doing 100-200 at a time then donating them.
    Posted 6 months ago by ThursdayNext Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's about 2.4 img per favour, though that might be a touch off for lower favour amount as it rounds. Also, you can donate more than one stack at a time. You can donate up to all you have of a particular item, even if it takes up many stacks.
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hmm you're right then you would end up with slightly more img from donating chicken eggs (and making them).

    My point about stacks was that if you're making the stuff in large quantities then its just easier not to have to have a ton of stacks as bag space gets limited, especially if you're messy like me, this was a bigger concern before new housing when you would have to walk or tp home to get stuff.
    Posted 6 months ago by ThursdayNext Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Okay, now that I'm back at a computer that can play Glitch (as opposed to my phone, which can't), I ran the great "chicken egg vs fruit tree bean iMG experiment":

    Chicken egg:
    10 garlic:  12 iMG
    1 white gas: 4 iMG
    1 chicken egg: 18 iMG

    iMG from crafting: 34 iMG
    iMG from donating (under EHSP): 144 iMG
    Total: 178 iMG

    Fruit bean:
    3 cardamom: 4 iMG
    2 laughing gas: 2 iMG
    1 fruit bean: 60 iMG

    iMG from crafting: 66 iMG
    iMG from donating (under EHSP): 108 iMG
    Total: 174 iMG

    So, survey says if you are only getting iMG from crafting (maybe you're auctioning or selling for currants), it makes more sense by far to make fruit tree beans. If you're planning on donating and have some EHSP to use, it makes marginally more sense to make chicken eggs.

    On the other hand, if you care about stack size or time spent harvesting, the trade-off might not be worth it and you might want to stick to fruit tree beans.

    So there we go. A definitive answer! At least for now! *grin*
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nice work!
    Posted 6 months ago by ThursdayNext Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, chicken eggs might give you more iMG from crafting + donating, but they also take more energy.

    Grind 10 Garlic: 20
    Gassify 1 White Gas: 15
    Tune one Chicken Egg: 15
    Total: 50 energy spent

    Grind 3 Cardamom: 12
    Gassify 2 Laughing Gas: 12
    Season one Fruit Tree Bean: 15
    Total: 39 energy spent

    Might be a negligible difference if you're only making one or two, but if you're making 100 at a time, that's five and a half awesome stews you'd need to eat to make up the difference
    Posted 6 months ago by devlogic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Right. So from most perspectives, then, it looks like fruit tree beans are the way to go.
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I love that "we" just sat and did the math on this. This is the sort of thing that makes me love Glitch even more. Not only was it figured out, it was figured out in public, where everyone can share the information.
    Posted 6 months ago by Aliera Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Do these sums work at all if you use other kinds of tree bean other than fruit? I was rather partial to fruit beans myself when going for the bean seasoning achievements, in terms of ease of getting the stuff (and also as they look like pretty pink jellybeans, did anyone factor in aesthetics?:-p) But I wonder if you make bean tree beans, or other beans, if it would make a lot of different to the calculations above?
    Posted 6 months ago by Violet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *waits for bean seasoning to get nerfed*
    Posted 6 months ago by Popcorn☺ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Violet: I haven't tested it out yet for the other tree beans. The amount of iMG from donating will be the same (108 iMG with EHSP) for all beans because they all are worth the same amount of currants (150), except for the wood tree bean, which is worth 200 currants and should give 144 iMG when donated.

    In terms of iMG and energy from crafting, I haven't checked that out yet.
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Next question: what if you incubate those chicken eggs and donate the chicks? Are far as I can think, there's no cost for the incubation and, if you have a lot of chickens, it's fairly quick. Incubating the egg to get a chick increases the favour gained in donating by 50%!
    Posted 6 months ago by Hawkwell Subscriber! | Permalink
  • On the other hand, chicks don't stack at all, so that drastically reduces the number you can carry (and thus donate) at one time -- making the use of EHSP that much less efficient.
    Posted 6 months ago by Tathak Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hey! Compare fruit tree beans with gas plant beans!
    Because, science.
    Posted 6 months ago by CrashTestPilot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Considering the price that allspice sells for at auction, isn't it better to buy garlic from a grocery or produce vendor instead of grinding it?
    Posted 6 months ago by Akhen Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Crashtestpilot: Comparisons will be done! Later today, when I'm not at work!

    Akhen: Maybe. You get 12 iMG for the garlic in each chicken egg, which adds up when you're making a large batch. It all depends on what you value more: time, currants, or iMG.
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My post here was getting completely unwieldy, so I'm just going to post the short version and post the long version on my blog tomorrow:

    If you are trying to generate favor and imagination from donations then eggs are better by any metric.

    If you play enough that you know you are going to hit your imagination cap from donations each game day either way then beans are better because you get more of the imagination from the crafting and less from the donating.
    Posted 6 months ago by Humbabella Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Humbabella: Could you post a link when you've got the blog post up, please?
    Posted 6 months ago by Pocket Bard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's here, and you should go check it out while you wait for her next post. It's well worth your time.

    --Me
    Posted 6 months ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Full analysis of beans vs. eggs.  It bears what I said above, beans are only better if you are making so many of them that you are maxing your donations with them.
    Posted 6 months ago by Humbabella Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ~O_o~

    This thread makes me all head-spinny.
    Posted 6 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I love these types of threads...especially when someone else is doing all the math and ciphering (yes, that's a Beverly Hillbillies reference), and I'm not...thanks for sharing y'all.  I had never though that deeply about beans vs eggs...nor over-thought beans like this...which is probably why I don't have a plate of them ;)
    Posted 6 months ago by b3achy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Huh. Fruit Beans win eh? Mathemaglitch strikes again. ^_^
    Posted 6 months ago by Mal'akh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind."
    Posted 6 months ago by Eye Wonder Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I season beans instead of eggs because I never want to tune another bubble again. *rocks back and forth, remembering months upon months of harvesting bubbles to make 1500 butterfly eggs*
    Posted 6 months ago by Kestin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I switched from seasoning chicken eggs to seasoning fruit tree beans.  While it takes more beans to get the same donation amount then eggs, it's simpler to make the beans.
    Posted 6 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Bravo, Humbabella.
    Posted 6 months ago by Akhen Subscriber! | Permalink