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Griefing, Community Gardens, and Honor

So finally got purple seeds from auction last test.   Had to figure out what the mail box jumping was all about.

When I remembered the purchase, I spent a couple hours in Ilmenskie mining and guano tapping.  Then after taking the wife out to dinner I come back to do a little planting of my seeds using the community gardens spoken of so fondly by people in this Forum.

I plant my seeds in the only bare three plots in Shakra Pool Herb Gardens, lovingly water and guano them.

Then as I harvest my purple several minutes later I am accused of "stealing"  and called a thief.

"I am sure I planted those - I watch them like a hawk." I am told.

This will become an even more common occurrence as more and more people come into the game.  this is why I have suggested as have others that we have the ability to build herb plots in our houses.

I do not need to steal <snip> pixel flowers from random people. 

So much for my not using 4-letter words hunh?  My entire evening is ruined because of the person who knows he planted my lowly purple seeds.  Can I prove it? Nope no more than his name is etched in every plot but the three I stood by.

Is he honestly believing that those were his plant?  Perhaps, they are not and his behaviour verges on harassment,  and to me it is griefing.

Devs, please get me a pot for my herbs so if someone wants to they can own the Community gardens. 

Someone auction some batterfly guano LoL.

~~TJ Fuzzybutt

edit: I was angry when I posted this message and frankly some of the language was beneath me, and incendiary I have removed those words.  I came to an agreement with the player in question, got my two plants harvested and got out of the Herb Gardens.  I don't think I will be learning glitchy herbalism any time soon. 

Posted 15 months ago by Thaddeus J Fuzzybut Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Fuzzy, several points.  
    1) You can have an herb garden in your house if you lived where the cool kids lived (ie firebogs)
    2) I understand your pain as I made a thread in the past that got a lot of negative feedback asking people to not keep every garden plot full, and those are the same people that yell if you don't replant!
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whoever accused you of stealing is mistaken, even if they really did plant them.
    Posted 15 months ago by Tingly Claus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • LoL I like meadowlands Laurali,  and now I am being tag-teamed for telling someone to foad.  I wonder if my wife knows I am a twelve-year old?

    Because I got upset at being called a theif, now he and his friend are planning to hijack my 2 little plants. I even stepped away from the one he claimed and replanted my last two seeds.

     If there were any available on the auction beside the single player who has filled the first page I'd buy more seeds and go elsewhere.  I refuse to buy from them.

    I've vented, I'm done, and I am terribly disappointed.  I really thought this was going to be a different place.

    ~~TJ Fuzzybutt
    Posted 15 months ago by Thaddeus J Fuzzybut Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Take all of them. Every last one. Leave nothing but stems and seeds in your wake. Walk away with a sack full of purloined purple, a swagger in your step, and a smile on your face. The old sticks-n-stones/I know you are but what am I rebuttal would trump any outcry.

    Or, alternatively...poke that little help button up nyaaaar in the top right corner and take a gander at the report abuse function.

    Or....the next time you want to get your crops going pm me and I'll help plant and babysit.
    Posted 15 months ago by malo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I really don't play that way Malo, although it was very tempting.  Thanks for your support and thanks to Millie for her kindness.

    I appreciate it.
    Posted 15 months ago by Thaddeus J Fuzzybut Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yet another vote as to why houses need to be able to plant crops and herbs.  I like the idea of patches being for crops, and pots being for herb. I grow my herbs in pots in RL.  Easier to take care of them, and be sure the deer don't eat them. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't either, TFB. You seemed a little down and I was hoping the first suggestion would lighten your mood a bit.

    The second suggestion though, If you are feeling like you are in an abusive situation you don't have to put up with it.

    The third was made in earnest, for what it's worth. 
    Posted 15 months ago by malo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • you've made me want to go and do my own messing with the purple-hog in the community gardens now. not cool. ;( sorry you went thru that.
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh well excuse Me for spending like an hour trying to get another decent crop together for My buyer, Have a good one Mr.Fuzzybut, Have a good one...
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh and I like how he left out the part where he told Me to "F#$% and die"
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • F off*
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, 2 sides. so what's your side?
    Was anyone else there?

    Also, it is a community garden... if someone really wanted to go in and harvest the lot, well, they can!
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I know that and I even tried to make up with Mr.Fuzzy by giving him 5 flowers...And even though eh did not take them I thought we had made up, I was not trying to be rude but once he told Me to f off and die it was guns blazing
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If he planted and guanoed the seeds and you wanted them, he has every right to tell you to FOAD. Besides, it's a community garden.  You want to have your private supply, go buy a house with herb plots.  There must be dozens in the Firebogs, lord knows few people live there.
    Posted 15 months ago by Blitz Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fine I'm sure there is no one here willing to listen to what I have to say, There is no reason to say such language to someone over that good day people
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The first casualty (well, hurt pride & sore feelings anyways) of the Glitch free-market drug economy?  This is quite interesting really, even though you are both pretty upset. We have no Glitchy police or mafia...
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As I said I was angry.   I am not a thief, never have been, never will be especially of pixels. 

    I am not proud of my anger, but I apologized in person to that player.  Nor did I ever once mention any names, I was trying to keep that out of this post and use this incident instead as a rationale for a change in the way house plots are constructed/enabled.

    I do not normally react that way, again I apologize for my language, but I will once again stress that the only seeds I harvested were the ones I planted.
    Posted 15 months ago by Thaddeus J Fuzzybut Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am willing to listen. He might have vented (here) first but you are free (and you did) to say how you saw it & what you did. misunderstanding on both sides...
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Look it's all good I'm just saying man I'm not trying to steal anybody crops or grief I was and still am pretty sure they were mine but you know maybe they were not? so that's I offered the flowers. I just don't like how your making it seem as though I was the only one to blame
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry My grammar is horrid right now I'm very tired
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I had a slightly disappointing community gardens experience this evening as well. Nothing so terrible as someone accusing me, nor really bothersome in the loss of product, but disappointing none-the-less.

    My house garden was full, because I had planted some crops for a friend and accidentally filled the extra spaces I had with the wrong plant. So I thought, "Oh well, I'll just go buy the seeds I need to complete the quest and take my guano and myself over to the community gardens so I can get it done before bed."

    I got there, found 6 plots by each other and planted my potatoes. Guanoed them up. Was standing there watching them actively for the most part, but got distracted by RL when they were getting close to finished. I hurried back as soon as I could (probably wasn't gone more than 2 minutes past their maturity), but all except one of them had been picked, even though I was standing there. The one that wasn't picked was hidden by my Glitchling body.

    I didn't really mind the people getting the potatoes (I'd gladly have given them away!), I just wish I could've done the harvesting and kept 50 because that was part of the quest. I'd have felt less disappointed if someone had asked me in the chat before proceeding to pick them after no response, but there was no indicator that my presence was even noted.

    I suppose people go afk in the gardens a lot, and I was glad I could at least get the one plot, even though it wasn't enough for my quest, and I don't mind planting more later at home when I have time. But it was still mildly disappointing.

    I do sincerely hope that the potatoes were helpful to whomever got them. Perhaps they had the same quest and was able to complete it. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Exactly! I have no problem with sharing it's just I have been working hard to get a lot of this together and when someone comes a long and just take it without asking...It's a little rude I understand it's the public gardens but still a little respect for other peoples crops would be nice I see people planting there crops and then someone else comes along and starts taking them all them time witch is why I watch My crops "Like a hawk" 
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The minute there is a house with as many plots as the public gardens I will be spending most My time there I try to be quick in the public garden as I take up a lot of plots and I don't want to bother other players by using them all up
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If someone was standing there (even if AFK) I'd not take the crop they were standing next to. I am never sure of the 'rules' so I tend to not bother community gardening. But, Id assume planting out more than one plot (of 6? 9? 12?) and then expecting to harvest them all was a bit unfair and greedy. Sure, you might have planted them all but that also means other's can't come along and plant if they want.
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How quickly can you turn purple around Yui Hirasawa?
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I understand that witch is why I don't plant the whole garden till late :p and I am always in and out once the crops are done
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What do you mean?
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • from planting to harvesting, how long does it take purple to grow?
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • TJF, 

    I'm not sure what Millie did for you exactly, but yeah, she's a sweetheart.

    Also, I would just let it roll off your back and move on. Some people. 

    Though, I could see myself doing that to someone, but I'd end up giving the person whatever I harvested after I was done messin with em.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Not sure exactly I don't really keep track when I grow noramly just go watch anime or something while it grows
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I was offered at the last, as we came to an understanding, some flowers, but really the only thing I wanted and the only thing I took were the ones I planted.  I truly appreciated the offer and the spirit in which they were given.  Someone who likes Strike Witches can't be bad at heart!

    I also have removed the harsh words I spoke in haste from the original post.  The question of ownership of community gardens will come up over and over again as more people enter the game from outside the beta testers.
     
    I am not by any means advocating that anyone should come in and strip an entire area bare of planted crops, that isn't the essence of a community garden.  I did not replant when I left because I had only a very few flowers, and it is those that I really wanted not the seeds. 

    I will return when I am able and replant those two plots and leave. 

    Please do not chastise anyone further for a basically resolved misunderstanding between two players.  Were I able, at this point I would remove the post.

    I still maintain however that for my needs a couple of herb pots in my yard would have prevented the whole thing.

    Devs, make it so they go out front and others can plant/harvest i don't care, but I really would rather never have anything like this occur to anyone on either side ever again.

    Thanks for the views on both sides, and believe me I understand the other side of the equation as well.
    Posted 15 months ago by Thaddeus J Fuzzybut Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For the record, Yui has been growing purple all day to sell to me. I'm the buyer in this story. Yui's crops were ready and TJF took them, which I believe is alright to do, as I am a fan of stealing. It's a freedom and I love to practice it. However, I don't agree with TJF cursing at my seller, Yui, and myself and saying yui should die. 

    I don't have a dog in this fight, but as an eye witness, TJF is one rude dude.
    Posted 15 months ago by Messy Monster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I 'm am will to except that maybe in My tired headache raged state maybe I mistake those crops as mine as long as you can understand that I was not trying to start any trouble
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Don't feel bad. It's interesting (it really is) and I'm glad you posted even if you have now taken a moment to take a breath. ;D
    As you say, this is going to get WAY tricker and one heck of a lot more confrontational when this is out of beta. There is currants in them thar purple and some peoples wants 'em badly.
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ah ha! ;) it was a Don Draper operation. but one of his drug mules got caught in the crossfire. Maybe we do have a purple mafia?
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • In reply to onelittlebird:

    I never take crops from community gardens either, unless I have something to replace it with, and certainly never when someone is there by it. I rarely even use the community gardens, because usually I don't need to, and I don't want to take the chance of stepping on someone's toes.

    That said, I hardly see how it's greedy to want to harvest all the plots you planted if you are using one small section to get a few select crops for what you need, though. Especially when you guanoed them and such so that they'd be finished faster, and you'd be out of the way of others faster.

    Sure, I'd call it greedy if you're planting up the whole place like it's your own private garden, but if you're using one little section to fulfill your needs, that's hardly greedy. I would agree that you can't expect to harvest them all (anyone would be silly to expect that), and of course you'd need to watch them if you want to harvest any, but it doesn't make it less disappointing when someone comes by and grabs almost all of them without even asking if you are there.

    ETA: And I'm all for being able to add a pot or two to my house for herbs. That and a pen would make my cottage even more loverly.
    Posted 15 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have a very lackadaisical attitude about any quest that I have to use the community gardens for. I bought an herb garden house, so my onion belt quest will have to be done elsewhere if at all. I'm thinking to just plant 10 onion seeds each visit to the community gardens, and only harvest onions when I visit, and see if eventually I wind up with 50. Plant some, take some way...
    Posted 15 months ago by gimmegames Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Little Miss Giggles - I meant 1 plot (as in a block of 6/9/12 - how many is it?) is cool. as you can stand there, it's obvious you planted that section. But if it's the whole St (which obviously you aren't doing) then that seems a bit different. My terminology is incorrect. I should have said '1 block of plots' I think is fine, but a whole st is maybe unfair.
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ohh, okay. I see. Sorry for getting confused. Yes, I completely agree with that. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • By the way, if you are tending a few plots specifically, please leave a clear note even if your sleeping Glitch is standing right there!
    Posted 15 months ago by gimmegames Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I would have.. but Penpersonship is not a priority for me right now. It's a good thought for the future once I have it though. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow guys.........

    Go to your corners.  First off, there is no stealing in a COMMUNITY garden. Second, How many times does TJF have to apologize? I mean seriously!  Third, he said there were 3 empty plots, he used his 3 seeds, and grew them. He only took his 3, that he planted.  He didnt go along and guano all of Yui's stuff and take it, although he could have.  Instead, he took only what he planted.

    On that note, you should not use the entire community garden like it is your personal garden.  Its for a community. It really isnt that hard to share. And purple doesnt take long at all to grow... 

    Now go on, go to your corners and calm down. This is just silly.

    P.S. I have in the past, and definitely will in the future, pick any and all plots I see that are ready to be picked. Period, end of discussion.  But....I will replant immediately. As long as some spots stay empty for others.

    PPS...I cleaned all the plots up, that you left in a mess :P
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hey man Me Fuzzy over there have made up (I think) everyone else it continuing there debate
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think you have both calmed down and made up ;)
    but, it is an interesting debate.

    oh and yay for the high majority pretty rational beta testers cos really, this didn't get THAT ugly. heated (maybe very heated) but then defused. It won't be like this in a few months....
    Posted 15 months ago by onelittlebird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well I hope so, Either way it's been a long night and we should put this whole thing behind us as it all has been said done. Sorry for any trouble I caused everybody
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I too apologize again for airing the laundry in the front yard.  Thanks to all of your for your opinions for either side. 

    For all my vaunted discussion of using apropos language; when confronted by the unexpected after a stressful day in the real world I found myself, like the proverbial sailor (or railroader,) using rough language. 

    It was and is out of character, you won't hear it from me again.

    Again thank you all for taking the time to read this and comment.

    Its 1:30 am here and I am going to bed. Good Night Groddle and other assorted glitchy peoples and places.
    Posted 15 months ago by Thaddeus J Fuzzybut Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well Fuzzy I think we have both learned a lesson from this, Ya mess with the purp ya get...Uh no wait...You grow purp and ya...no no...Uh...Drugs are bad!...Good day
    Posted 15 months ago by Yui Hirasawa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • 'By the way, if you are tending a few plots specifically, please leave a clear note even if your sleeping Glitch is standing right there!'

    I may have been unlucky pre-reset, but it its my experience that notes don't work.  I left a note at a community garden block of plots that I had planted for a quest and came back to find the produce AND the note gone.  Again, I may just have been unlucky...
    Posted 15 months ago by Daffy Lurksalot Subscriber! | Permalink
  • well I wish I could grow vegetables but I only have an herb plot.  Before the reset I tried to leave a watering can at one of those community places (I left a note with it) but instead of the crops being watered, when I came back the can was gone :(
    Posted 15 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Treesa, how long were you gone? I think items vanish from the world if you leave them out there too long. Also notes don't stay there indefinite.
    I think we need more community gardens once the game opens, like 2 streets in a row.
    Posted 15 months ago by Miriamele Subscriber! | Permalink
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