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Follow-the-leader mining in Ajaya Bliss

I never liked mining throughout beta. I would spend the least amount of time doing it as possible--I hated it. It was boring. Stand in one place and whack on a rock over and over again. Oooh, fun <sarcasm>. 

After the co-op mining rewards were recently increased to the point of making group mining actually worthwhile, I tried out Ajaya Bliss and loved it! It was like a party in there with everyone having so much fun, and the mining was no longer repetitive and boring because a single rock would be finished off in one whack, and then I could go bouncing around, searching for the next rock, or chatting with the rest of the party-goers. 

A new style of mining has emerged today, because someone figured out the order in which the sparkly rocks regenerate. This means that everyone knows exactly which rock will spawn next, and there is no longer any reason to jump around and be on the look-out in between rocks. The place doesn't seem like a party any more--the "leader", who has the list on hand, tells everyone which rock to go to next. Everyone goes to that area. Then, they all stand there and wait, motionless, until the rock regenerates. They are then told which rock to move on to next, and off they go. If you go to a different rock, you are chastised. It seems alot less fun now--I liked it better when it was more chaotic. Now, it is once again just a bunch more of the same: stand in one spot mining for a little bit, then stand in another pre-ordained spot waiting. No thought involved--just go where the leader tells you to and stand there, and don't go out of line or you'll be yelled at.

I was disturbed by something someone said to me today, which is what prompted me to write this: I am a level 2 miner. I mine VERY slowly. I tried doing the follow-the-leader thing properly many times. I went where I was told. I waited... but it was hard to see exactly when the rock regenerated because a huge number of people were all standing right in front of where the rock appeared, blocking my view... The best sign that it was there was when others started to mine. So, I frantically try to hit the rock, succeeding towards the end when most everyone had already started. I got 1 to maybe 10 bonus chunks with around 30 people mining. This is pitiful. Even more pitiful is that my slow mining time meant that I was still mining that first rock after everyone else had finished it, moved on to the next rock, and finished that one off too. So, I get one whack in on the first rock, get a handful of bonus chunks out of it, and everyone else gets to finish off 2 rocks in the same time. I realized this was a waste of my time, so whenever 2 rocks spawned next to eachother I would move to the second one (which the group would be moving to in a few seconds), and start there so I could begin my excruciatingly slow mining in time to actually get some benefit from the other players when they arrived and helped me. Still, I only got one whack in while everyone else finished off two whole rocks, but at least I could get 50 bonus chunks instead of 1 to 10. 

I was yelled at for doing this (along with around 2 other people that were doing the same). When I explained why I was doing it, I was told that low level miners should go mine somewhere else! Unbelievable! As a history lesson to everyone: these new high co-op benefits were implemented specifically to benefit low level miners, because people were complaining that it was unfair for a high level miner to come by and finish off a whole rock that a lower level miner was slowly working on, only giving the low level miner 1 bonus chunk in the process, but depleting the whole rock before they could even get their second swing in. The bonuses are higher for low level miners: it makes sense for them to want to co-mine, and no one should tell them that they should mine by themselves if they can't keep up with the "big-boys". This is not the welcoming and inclusive atmosphere of Glitch that I'm used to.

I can't wait until I get through Better Learning V so I can learn the other mining skills and be able to mine a decent amount of rock by myself, without having to rely on the help of people with that attitude.

Tl;dr: Sheep following a leader around to specific regions where rocks are pre-known to respawn is less fun, and the draconian rule of "play my way or the highway" will turn off alot of players, especially low level ones that aren't benefiting unless they are one of the first to start a rock.

Posted 15 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • The pattern is pretty easy to figure out once you spend time there.  That's no great whoop.

    I'm level 2 also.  I just don't read the chat, and concentrate on the mining.  No one has any right to tell anyone what to do there.  If you want to follow someone, go ahead.  If not, then that's the end of it.

    Bliss is working fine as far as I can see.  You spend  time there and have fun.  And earn jumps toward your badge! :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've felt the opposite.  I didn't like mining in Ajaya because of all the chaos.  Less chaos and an orderly pattern which maximizes mining seems great for me and i'm all for it.  If you don't like that pattern, go mine somewhere else regardless of your level. :P
    Posted 15 months ago by Hameigh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yelled at you?? 

    wow

    Maybe you mean they lost their temper because they have figured out what seems to them to be the most efficient way to mine down there and get bent out of shape when they can't make people understand the maths

    I have mining 3 and when I go down underground (I generally avoid ajaya bliss) I just mine the first rocks I encounter, regardless if its dullite or sparkly or if there are other people there or if I'm alone.   If there are people   telling me what to do I wouldn't know because I'm not always watching the chat boxes.  Sometimes I just do the old boring slow mining while doing other things at my desk.   

    I just hit Enter Enter if I can see the rock, If you can't see the rock because there are too many people around there is an other way to access it.   I just can't remember what it is.  It was mentioned in the forums, so maybe someone else will come around to refresh my memory.   
    Posted 15 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Shepherdmoon: I was there, I saw what you describe and I agree with you. This way you can be more efficient but it was more fun to jump around like crazy.

    I'm also a level II miner, and was considering going to the second-next rock, until I finally found the way to not be the last one starting to mine. The trick is to click continuously your pick. You get the message that there's nothing to mine, until one magic click starts mining before many other people.

    Still, it's not fun. I found the trick, did it twice and got bored. I teleported to the Tools Vendor and then logged out.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, for Pete's sake. I never have mined very much, and now I'm going to be afraid to. With the new co-op scoring I don't know if I'm supposed to ask permission to start on the same rock someone else is already mining. And now with this follow-the-leader thing, I'll be paranoid that I'm cutting in on other people's action. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Becky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There is some other shortcut.   It was mentioned in one of those many ajaya bliss threads where people argued forever and a day about the "best"  way to mine down there.   I guess some people now feel entitled to "enforce" that "effiency" in ajaya bliss.   

    I know if I gave a rats ass about efficient time management I wouldn't be wasting a lot of that precious time playing a game like this. lol.    But I don't care about efficient time management so here I am.
    Posted 15 months ago by Treesa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I saw the same show down there are thought it didn't take very long for people to figure out how to pervert the intention of the change, but was sort of impressed by the efficiency of it all.

    That said, it was the opposite of fun, and I left after taking a couple of whacks at the rocks.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biff Beefbat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, don't be afraid, Becky! Honestly, it's never really bad. Today it was kind of special, and there were also fun moments. Like when the "leader" went away and people started joking that it was "anarchy", "chaos", "randomness", "BEDLAM!" and so on.

    Outside Ajaya Bliss I look for unused rocks to avoid misunderstandings (and because I'm shy). Inside Ajaya Bliss I try to merge into whatever is happening there. Usually, it's fun. But mining will never be as quiet as gardening at home, that's for sure.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ignore any control freaks.  Jump around like crazy (adds jumps to your badge progress).  Click on a rock when you see one.  Be happy with whatever bonus you get. 

    Actually, I don't bother paying attention to bonuses.  I have a number of bigger bags for this, and when they are full I leave.  Doesn't take even an hour.  Wouldn't want to do more, my eyes wouldn't be able to take it. :)

    Don't let anyone chase you out. I know I won't. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Shepherdmoon, I have little hope of unkindness in the game ever decreasing. There would have to be people who take seriously unkindness towards anyone, not only towards themselves and potential allies, people who are willing to make sacrifices and put a lot of time and systematic effort into changing the social environment. I think the most you can hope for is a little understanding and sympathy from a few people, which I see you getting here, and with which I concur.

    If you would like to share ideas about what to do when things happen in the game that you don't like, you might be interested in the "Freedom and Responsibility" thread in the Off-Topic forum.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Level 2 mining in ajaya IS the best. If you're fast. I don't wait to be told the rock is there, I click enter, if there's no rock then I leave the selection page, then hit enter again.
    I actually stopped mining 4 at 20 minutes, because I didn't want to have to lose 4 seconds of Help in ajaya :P

    I love that people knew which rock was coming next.
    But people yelling at you is awful. Maybe calmly saying "If we all mine the same rock, it gives higher benefits in total", but when you had made it clear that you didn't care, the most they should be doing is silently grumbling behind their screen.
    I have decided against a rock, if my clicking is too slow and I can tell nobody is left, I will go wait beside another rock. I don't start until some people are done the first one though, because mining by myself seems useless after +40, +50, +60 bonuses.
    I do get annoyed when the people who choose to move to the next rock with me start mining right away when few are there to help, but I grumble to myself, or my boyfriend who is right beside me, and leave them to play their own way. It's not my place to say not to do something, and it sucks that some people don't see it that way.

    Telling people the most efficient way to do something is great, insisting that they participate is not.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • go ahead and mine the way you want.

    you may get less bonus, but that's your lookout. you have a perfect right to do it.

    by the time they get to your rock, they'll all be "helping mine" with you and you'll get those bonuses anyway.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • hey shephardmoon - i just checked your name to make sure i spelled it right.  all this time i thought you were shepherdMOM.  oh well, i've noticed the new feel to glitch also.  what happened to all the love?  it's different for sure and i don't feel as friendly as i was.  i opened a thread on a whim, 1/2 to see what the response would be.  ha - i was criticized for my wording.  i was hoping for a little sympathy, but it was a good test. 
    Posted 15 months ago by little peep Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've noticed a bit of a difference too.  Tried to start trades with people for a quest, and was IGNORED! :)  And no one has hugged or kissed or even mooned me in days (glitch days, not RL ones).  Darn newbies!  :>
    Posted 15 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • They probably thought you were going to the second rock to ensure that you would get an early click on the rock, and thus ensure a high bonus. This probably seemed to them to be taking unfair advantage of the organized system in place. You: always use one action and get 40-70 rock. Average-Other-Miner: always use 2 actions and get an average of 30 rock total. (that average is just a guess based on experience) 

    I was in Ajaya earlier today and observed pretty much the same thing, including the odd person who was always going to the second rock. I thought those people might be taking advantage of the "system"... but I also imagined other reasons they might be doing it, and at any rate I didn't say anything to anybody... because, you know, I'm not the boss of them. :P

    Anyways, try not to take this kind of stuff too much to heart. Haters gonna hate right? <3<3

    ps. My official position on the new system in Ajaya: much more efficient, much less fun.  Shrug. There is only one giant sparkly mine, but there are TONS of other places to jump around and party :D
    Posted 15 months ago by La_La Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This is what I have been telling people.
    Posted 15 months ago by Cerulean Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Pretty sure that there is no pattern....

    Or to be more clear, the pattern you see now is dependent upon how the rocks were cleared last time.

    Meaning, if you let all of the rocks respawn without mining them, and then got a bunch of friends together to mine them all at the same time, the next time around, they'd probably pop up at pretty much the same time...

    That said, if you follow a specific pattern when mining, the next respawn will keep to that pattern too...

    But I agree completely with the "community mining is better" theory....  Plus, I'd like to think that a mass of Glitchen moving from one spot to another and just waiting for the next rock to spawn would look really weird to a person who hadn't been in Ajaya before...  :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Universe Subscriber! | Permalink
  • your mining level has nothing to do with it. no matter how slowly you mine, all you have to do is initiate mining and you'll hit the rock.

    your inability to see the rocks appear and mine them is the issue.

    initiating mining requires two clicks of the enter key, this shouldn't be an issue for anyone. it happens at the same speed for everyone.

    seeing the rock is something else entirely.

    you could have asked for the other players to leave a bit more room to see the rock appear. did you?

    going for the "free" rock in this situation is incredibly rude. you are taking advantage of their cooperating with each other by guaranteeing you are the #1 miner every time they help you, and you suck up all the bonus chunks. this is inconsiderate and selfish.

    EDIT: the fact that you think slow mining speed has anything to do with dimisnhed bonuses might indicate a lack of understanding of exactly what it was you were doing. if anything, the slower miners end up with more chunks. also 10 bonus chunks is not "pathetic". you might not know this, but since the beginning of the test there has been a cap instituted and even if you are really super fast it is rare to get even 30 bonus chunks.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If I hadn't read this thread, I would have had no idea that there is such a thing as follow-the-leader mining. I would've just stumbled into Ajaya Bliss (not sure I've ever been there before) and started mining the first rock I saw. Then I'd have a bunch of people coming down on me for being inconsiderate. Please, people, remember that not everyone knows your "rules".
    Posted 15 months ago by Becky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There really aren't any rules. I wish people would stop pretending there are. You mine a rock, others mine the rock. It finishes, you do another rock, some other people are already there or join in after. The bonuses balance out. You bring food to eat so you don't die on top of where a rock spawns (now that's annoying).

    Bring some bags that fill up, when they are filled, you leave.

    It's alot like playing cards. You don't count your winnings at the table. You shouldn't count your bonuses, it will drive you crazy. Just have fun mining, and jumping around. And I'm level two also and miss rocks at time. And yet I have tons of rocky fun mining in bliss. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Tibbi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Becky, when you are in there it is really obvious what is going on, and the "rules" serve to maximize output so there is a self interest in doing it, so people join in pretty organically.

    that said, i went to Ajaya and proposed some solutions for making the rock appearance more visible, like standing in different positions, and the miners there didn't care one lick about accommodating people who have difficulty seeing the rock appear.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Woah woah, several things.  It has ALWAYS been known the order which the rocks spawn, its the order in which you mine them.  It's just common sense.  But with so many people working together benefits everyone, especially low level miners.  Nobody is telling anyone how to play, I accidentally started this trend one day by showing people where the next rock would spawn so they didn't have to run around like crazy.  

    I will continue to point out where the next rock will spawn for anyone who is interested and doesn't feel like keeping track.  If you don't want to mine with us, by all means don't.  But don't get angry about us announcing where the next rock will be because for people who do want to work together its very beneficial, and it does no harm.

    If you can't see the rock, press enter several times until it will show up.  Also just look to see when other people start mining
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Also, when I first started doing this I would jump up and down at the next rock which led a lot of people to think that jumping in one spot made the rock spawn there, and people were messaging me asking how I was making the rocks spawn.  It was very silly and fun.  We eventually got 30 people jumping up and down in one spot, many of us got achievements and had a blast.

    It's only boring if you make it boring!
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just got into this group mining thing the day before yesterday.. and it was a lot of fun when we were just bouncing around without too much clue as to where the next will be.

    The method I first experienced today is much more organized and efficient, but definitely not as fun. It's still more fun than mining alone sometimes. I am not much of a chatter, but I like reading the log while I wait and jump around. I like conserving the energy as well.

    I just dislike it when people get bossy. I didn't really see that today the little bit of time I spent in there. I did see people say, "If you're going to start at the second rock, please wait until you see people moving to it to start mining so that you will get more help." They didn't seem to begrudge anyone for waiting at the second rock to start it off though.
    Posted 15 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I do not like the direction Ajaya turned to. I liked the freedom to choose to mine alone or into group. I liked the peace and quiet there and there is a way to chat and mine. This place was awesome in beta. I liked the miner parties we sometimes made.

    Now it is laggy, bossy, overcrowded...

    I use it mainly as teleport point to continue my mining elsewhere. Still i find hard to find more sparkly for my powders as people mine only them to get currants. But well i will still make what i like to harder or easier way. :)

    Illmenskie was a place to find peace and quiet before. Now it is "wham! meet the zerg"...
    Posted 15 months ago by Lilla My Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not sure if you guys were in the same Ajaya I was in.  Even before launch, Ajaya was fast paced and very cut throat.  Whoever was closest to the rock got most of it, because as people ran around the room naturally some were right by the next rock spawn and some were on the other side of the room.

    This way its much more fair, everyone knows where the next rock will be and can get an equal chance to pick at it.  It feels WAY more relaxed to me and much less competitive.
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh god, another mining thread, here we go again...
    I was never a huge fan of co-op mining until the recent changes but I've had quite a giggle jumping around like a mad person and group mining in AB, this was something that didn't exist for me before and I found myself pleasantly surprised by it. Last night however, there were more people than ever in the mines and it was very hard to see the rock behind all the players..as much as the group mining was fun, there is certainly a limit to that - and if there are too many players there, it's a bit of a pain.
    I made my feelings on mining pretty clear last-time round, do the maths, be perfect but stop trying to tell others what to do..it's your view, but not your right to enforce your opinions on everyone else.
    @striatic your posts are as rude and unpleasant as always....
    "going for the "free" rock in this situation is incredibly rude. you are taking advantage of their cooperating with each other by guaranteeing you are the #1 miner every time they help you, and you suck up all the bonus chunks. this is inconsiderate and selfish."
    ..Incredibly rude??, really? Is this the same person who previously stated that no one should expect the right to mine alone, because no one owns the rocks? Well the same applies here. Efficient group or single player, no one owns the rocks and frankly it's people like you that are rude - not the people that 'dare' to go it alone. 
    AB is such a popular place now, and Glitch is growing bigger all the time, it has reached a point where, in the fairness of allowing everyone a chance to earn decent sums of currency, it cannot really remain a one-off area. Maybe if there were 3 or 4 of them scattered around Ur, or other different, but equally profitable areas, it would give the ever-increasing number of players a chance to play the game their way, without being yelled at by those with opposing views.
    Posted 15 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'M HUUUUUUUUUUUGE (that is all) ;D

    smile guys - it's only a game.
    Posted 15 months ago by HerbertSherbert Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I saw someone in Ajaya today say that mining the same rock as everyone else would be the only thing to do if you were intelligent. The word intelligent was in all capital letters.

    He implied that those who
    a) decided they didn't like the crowding at the first rock or
    b) finished before he did and moved over before most of the group had
    were unintelligent, simply because they did not wish to play his way. When someone called him on his rudeness, he laughed at them, so they left. When another person said "well that was rude" he laughed at them again (and another person told those speaking to him to "drop it") and continued to do so for several minutes after at least three people left the screen due to his actions.

    Cooperative mining is one thing, but insulting those who don't do what you say is just not nice.
    Telling people they shouldn't mine the other rock because that's "selfish" is just ridiculous. Anyone being selfish would wait to mine until at least a couple people were starting to move over to the rock they were at, rather than starting at the exact same time and usually finishing the rock in a group or 3 or 4 before anyone else even gets there. Their extra chunks are practically non-existent, and certainly if you are calculating based on energy consumption per chunk, they most likely lost out on a noticeable amount by doing what they have done.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • All this problem arise, because everyone is told that mining is fastest way to make currants. Sure it is fast, but it breaks fun for people who really like to do mining not for currants, but for fun.

    Lately i see mines really overcrowded - people come mine day or two buy their houses, bags, tools and leave. And next come and so and so. If someone wants to make a powder and need sparkly for example in a bigger amount it is hard to find, because of this "mine for currants" thing.

    Sure i done same at the beginning to get a little liftoff, but for me all activities in game should be as rewarding as mining. This way people will do as what they like to and will not overcrowd and use mines for current source.

    Cooperative mining is good with 2-6 people being more is just a nonsense no matter how some people say they like it. It is free game putting a rules and yelling to people for not obeying to them is not right for me.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lilla My Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "..Incredibly rude??, really? Is this the same person who previously stated that no one should expect the right to mine alone, because no one owns the rocks? Well the same applies here. Efficient group or single player, no one owns the rocks and frankly it's people like you that are rude - not the people that 'dare' to go it alone. "

    the difference, and it is a huuuuuge one, is that by "going it alone" in this scenario, you aren't actually "going it alone". in fact, quite the opposite.

    you are using the other people to grant you bonuses as they come in to mine after you.

    you don't own the rocks, but you also don't own the other players, and exploiting them for exclusive bonuses is rude.

    they could, of course, refuse to help the exploiter, but they would end up with fewer chunks and the exploiter would still get lots of rocks since they'd have the rock all to themselves. brinksmanship.

    if the main group tries to beat the exploiter to the rock, then they fragment and the bonuses are reduced for everyone.

    what the exploiter does, is take advantage of the mining gang's coordination in order to generate bonuses .. without ever contributing anything themselves.

    note the OP's language about normal bonuses being "pathetic". by those standards only the primo, first in bonuses are 'not pathetic', and so the exploiter manipulates the cooperation to be first in every time.

    if it was all about the OP wanting freedom from the group, that's a different discussion but right up there in the top post you can see that it is all about the bonuses and figuring out how to exploit the group for the largest bonuses possible. it isn't about freedom from the group, it is about exploiting the group to get "non-pathetic" bonuses.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If it's all about efficiency, then the INTELLIGENT play is to be "rude", right?
    Posted 15 months ago by Biff Beefbat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "If it's all about efficiency, then the INTELLIGENT play is to be "rude", right?"

    no. it's a game theory type situation.

    being "rude" is not intelligent because while you gain in the short term, you and everyone else loses in the long term, because you break down the system that created the benefits in the first place. you harm yourself as well, ultimately, when you do damage to the system you are exploiting in the act of exploiting it.

    which wouldn't be a problem if you weren't taking a bunch of people down with you.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If your concern is short term personal gain, then it is the smart play.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biff Beefbat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • and on top of that there is the ridiculous and self-serving assumption that the reason why the group is upset is because they somehow require conformity.

    that's like moving into an apartment with a bunch of roommates, only carrying your toothbrush while the other people move all the furniture, and when they get annoyed by your mooching off their efforts responding with "don't make me conform, man!".

    they're not upset because you aren't playing by the rules and they are obsessed with rules .. more like every time they switch to the next rock they see how you are benefitting from their efforts every time and they are not ever benefitting from yours, and getting annoyed with the mooching.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Everyone can join in when I am mining, and I sometimes join in with others and play them a little GNG-tune as well :)

    If I'd see a conga line eating all shinies in an area as they spawn while I need a few to grind, I would be slightly annoyed. All shinies in a street, ok. But mining them all 1 second after they have been spawned seems... dunno.. not fun for the rest of the glitches?
    And efficiency is boring.
    So you get cash. Buy a house. Then what?

    Relax, take it easy, mine, chat, meditate, tap the rock again, chat, and notice the rock is still there as you misclicked, mine again, chat, go afk, mine, alt-tab, mine, jump and move around silly because the cat is on the keyboard, mine, finally moving the cat to a safe position, go to another rock, mine, etc...
    Posted 15 months ago by Miriamele Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @stratic Glitch is free to play. It is game. Everyone is free to do whatever it likes to, no matter it obeys to "roommates" rules or not. Group of players decided to zerg Ajaya for profit and put there some rules they liked. Other players i.e. "rude people" do not like to obey to them. They like to do classical, relaxing mining.

    Who is right "roomates" or "rude" players? :D

    +10000 to Miriamele. I try to tell the same. Some people do mining for fun. Doing this conga parties in Ajaya and mines in common breaks miners fun. I like to relax while i mine. Not run around like a crazy bee to get a chunk of sparkly.

    I mine to make powders. Whole mining, crushing, stiring, auctioning is the fun for me.

    Using rocks as fast currant supply have to change. At least it have to be as rewarding as other activities.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lilla My Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lilla My .. it is impossible to do "classical relaxing mining" in a zone with one or two rocks for fifteen buzzing locust miners. if you want to do "classical relaxing mining" you have to go elsewhere.

    the game is free to play and no one is the boss of you but when you are using that freedom to mooch off the effort of others, it is selfish and you are going to annoy people who are trying to cooperate.

    efficiency is boring?

    no. efficiency has nothing to do with something being boring or interesting one way or the other. i mean if you were moving into an apartment and decided that there would be no organization everyone just do whatever and you've got individuals trying to lift couches and creating furniture log jams everywhere and when someone suggests "hey, why don't we all lift the couch at the same time?" going "pfft, how boring."

    efficiency is great. like when you go camping and you're well prepared beforehand and aren't scrambling around with a flashlight in the middle of the night trying to set up a tent while being bitten to death by mosquitos. the efficient, organized person isn't having less fun in that scenario, i can tell you.

    there's this whole mythology about organization being anti-fun. yes, spontaneity can lead to increased fun. yes, efficiency and organization can lead to increased fun.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Bottom line:  This is a GAME.  If some people like to play for efficiency, they can adopt that pattern.  If someone is doing an activity in a different way that they find fun, that's great for them.  All of the resources out in the world, i.e. not in your own house or bags, are public.  So no one has the right to tell anyone that they have chosen to play wrong, or can't use those resources.  So don't be a jerk and tell someone off for having a different playing style than you.  I keep saying, at least one of the M's in MMORPG is for "Multi-player," so interacting with other people in the game is either a benefit or a challenge, depending on how you want to see it.  Live and let live.
    Posted 15 months ago by KhaKhonsu Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @stratic I still do not agree with you. You tell me to go elsewhere(as i do), because i'm mooching and abusing the zerg? Lol this is nonsense. Your efficiency breaks fun for alot more people. 

    I do not agree with this conga, buzzing, efficient, zergy stuff. Sigh...do as you wish.

    I will try to do my mining elsewhere. Still sad to see what Ajaya turned into. 

    Have fun guys.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lilla My Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mereret .. but in this scenario we have the OP purposefully trying to benefit from efficiency "30 chunks pathetic" ..

    the issue isn't having a "different" playing style .. the issue is having an exploitive playing style which coasts atop the efficiency of others while decrying the concept of efficiency.

    if the playing style was merely different, nobody would care.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So because of this sacred efficiency we must obey to this new rules? And change styles?

    Actions in Ajaya are like when white stepped into America and meet indians. We will change / kill them for the sake of efficient usage of natural resources. No matter that this people lived there loads of years and liked their lifestyle. They must change or die because?

    Cmon guys this is absurd.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lilla My Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "you are using the other people to grant you bonuses as they come in to mine after you."

    If a player had moved on to mine a rock and other players came to 'help' after they have started,  that would be their choice. They weren't asked to help mine, they weren't invited or expected to help, instead *they* made the decision to mine with another player, thereby acting on free will. That's hardly my definition of 'using other people'.

    "you don't own the rocks, but you also don't own the other players, and exploiting them for exclusive bonuses is rude."

    Just because a player a mines a rock, does not necessarily mean that they are particularly bothered about getting any bonuses - they may, in fact be happily mining away with not a care in the world, simply because they enjoyed it. If player b came along to help, I fail to see how they would then be exploited by player a. Again, it is the players decision to help another person. 

    To my knowledge it is not currently possible to drag a player, kicking and screaming to a rock and force them to help you mine it. Until that day comes, no one is being exploited or used and the idea of such is frankly ridiculous.
    Posted 15 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • no, you don't have to obey the rules, but you're going to annoy people with your behavior, certainly.

    i don't have to hold open a door for someone entering it immediately behind me. there is no law. but if i let it close in their face because i'm lazy, that's rude and selfish of me.

    efficiency isn't "sacred", but mooching off other people's efficiency while decrying said efficiency is self-serving.

    and comparing this to evicting indians from their land is ridiculous and offensive.. you're one step away from godwin there. that's one group evicting another off of land that is rightfully theirs, not people figuring out methods for equitably sharing the bounty of cooperation in a shared, public space.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Just because a player a mines a rock, does not necessarily mean that they are particularly bothered about getting any bonuses"

    did you even read the OP?

    "1 to 30 chunks pathetic"

    "They weren't asked to help mine, they weren't invited or expected to help, instead *they* made the decision to mine with another player, thereby acting on free will."

    yeah, they made the least crappy of two crappy decisions forced on them.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, I did thank you, did I say I was talking about one person in particular?
    Posted 15 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • My behavior is not selfish. I do not play Glitch for the sake of efficiency, get a bigger bonus, amass currants and stuff. I want to relax after a long day at work. This is my way. I'm not mooching anything because this is noyone's rock.

    I do not want to annoy anyone. I simply do not want to work their way, because it is not fun for me. If they are annoyed it is their problem. I mean no harm and do no harm. I just want a peaceful peace of sparkly to make a powder.

    Ajaya is not a place when you can put rules and force anyone to obey them for the sake of some efficiency.

    Peace.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lilla My Subscriber! | Permalink
  • i am talking about one person and one situation in particular. the one that this topic happens to be about. you want to move the goalposts, fine. i'm not going there.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "no, you don't have to obey the rules"

    That's because they don't exist. End of argument.

    "but you're going to annoy people with your behavior"

    That applies to yourself as much as other people.
    Posted 15 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Lilla My, of course you aren't being selfish, it's every players right to enjoy Glitch - so enjoy! =)
    Posted 15 months ago by Morticia Addams Subscriber! | Permalink
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