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Can the sign be taken down please?
I was in the herb gardens today, planting all of my seeds. Then someone just walked right up to the plots I was standing over and took all my herbs, when I asked for my herbs back, she responded with,"free to plant, free to take." Then, she teleported.
Can the signs PLEASE, be taken down? I just have lost all of my herbs and this might continue to be a problem.

Posted 12 months ago by feifei | Permalink

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- I don't use the community gardens much...but the few times I did it wasn't bad. My plants grow up and it takes 1/10 of a sec. to harvest them. If I plant them in order they grow up in order. I pick them up so fast there is no way anyone can get them.
  Now...if you're afk, spacing out, watching tv...then I guess your plants are not being "watched" and are free game.
  Posted 12 months ago by phelps.mike | Permalink
- "you are asking for sanctions against other people using the community gardens in a way that the devs have said is OK, then you're simply a cry-baby who wants everyone else's toys without giving up your own."
  That sums it up perfectly. The devs have made it clear as day that they're NOT going to police the community gardens. And I hope they don't change that. We're all adults here (or at least we should be) and we don't need to be policed to that extent. At the end of the day, the only way to avoid bad behaviour is to step away from MMOs and play solo RP games a la Harvest Moon. Calling the stealing of crops where it clearly states "all may harvest" sociopathy is a bit of a stretch.
  Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona | Permalink
- I don't get why people are so up in arms over the community gardens anymore. They cannot be used as a stand-in for a private garden, and people should not rely on them as such. Besides. What's fun about spending so much time standing in one place over a plot, watching it with a hawk's eye to make sure no one steals it or claims it as their own? To me? There are better things to be doing than that, and if the gardens cause you sad times, then find something else that doesn't. No one making anyone use the community gardens, sadly. It's your choice to walk in there, your choice to walk out if you don't like it. That's just how it is.
  It comes down to priorities. If you want to make herbs a priority, get a bog house. If you want to do crops, do a crop house. Figure out what you want to do, and put your big girl/boy panties on and deal with the other part of it. You can't rely on everyone to be kind, because unfortunately, people aren't that way in real life. It sucks, but it is how it is. There's always going to be someone out there raining on the parade, but its up to you if you let that spoil everything.
  Posted 12 months ago by Saiai | Permalink
- Personally I find it annoying that so many people are saying they plant extra herbs (that they don't even want for themselves) then leave them to be 'nice', that just uses up a plot that someone who actually wants to plant could be using. So many times I hit the herb gardens and there is just no where to plant, and people 'camping' the plots who act like they own them because they got there first.
  I don't have much sympathy for people who criticize others for stealing when they see no problem with hogging all of a scarce resource for themselves.
  But I understand I can't get other people to play in the way that benefits me most, unlike an awful lot of the people in this thread.
  Posted 12 months ago by Lukie | Permalink
- @Miso George
  Also I don't believe it's true that if there's no bad behaviour there will be no incentive for good behaviour or kindness, that's just untrue. You can go to the gardens and only farm what you plant, or you can harvest and then share what you've harvested, or you can go and give away presents and help other players with quests, etc. There is neutral behaviour (not stealing but not going and helping others or giving stuff away) and then there's GOOD behaviour (being kind and helping and sharing). Good behaviour will always be rewarded even when bad behaviour is sanctioned. That's why thieves IRL get arrested and good workers at work get promoted. =/
  No argument here, but this is exactly the scope of game mechanics that i asked you to try not use.
  Think 'players uniting over bad event' - this has far greater positive impact on the community than random giveaway or quest helping.
  Posted 12 months ago by Ingvar | Permalink
- I would guess that at least 95% of Glitchen would agree that the ethos of the community gardens ought to be that what you plant is yours to harvest if you are waiting there when in ripens but is otherwise free for the taking.
  I'm not sure that 95% of the people in this thread agree with you, so don't know how you came to that conclusion
  Posted 12 months ago by shhexy corin | Permalink
- Well, shexy, as I wrote, 95% is a guess, not a conclusion. There's a difference. Then, too, people who respond to threads on contentious subjects are a special subset of the 75,000 or so registered players - no way do they represent the norm. But anyway, the reason I guess at least 95% is as follows: 1) people who deliberately grab crops they haven't planted from under the noses of the planters know that, even though they are playing legally, they are stealing and, it appears, they enjoy the distress they are causing, and 2) of the dozens and dozens of Glitchen with whom I have had random social interactions, not one has been anything other than friendly, helpful and giving. I don't think any of them would snatch other people's crops. I feel pretty safe with my guess.
  Posted 12 months ago by Hawkwell | Permalink
- I'm confused by the concept of legal stealing.
  i'm also confused why people use the gardens in a way that seems contrary to what they are designed to be (I've always thought of them as somewhere to pop along to plant or harvest if you're passing by) and then get upset when other people do things they don't like
  If they want a herb or crop, why aren't people buying the right sort of house for it, or trading with friends, or buying in the auction house, or even the produce vendor (as far as crops are concerned)? Perhaps 95% of people are doing that. Certainly a minimum of 99% of 75,000 users aren't able to do anything community-orientated in the community gardens because people are constantly using them as if they were private property.
  Posted 12 months ago by shhexy corin | Permalink
- Well said, shexycorin.
  Posted 12 months ago by Raiyne Day | Permalink
- Im just thinking back to the issue of taking/stealing items others had dropped because it shares many similarities with the garden wars. It basically boils down to one side saying I own that item and you stole it with the other side saying items on a public street are public property which makes it free to take. This caused alot of outrage on the forums if memory serves just like this is doing right now and it was quite clear back then as it is now that the issue will not solve itself.
  Tiny Speck stepped in and they added a feature that acted as a compromise between the two sides of the argument which has so far worked rather well. Any dropped item is locked to the person who dropped it either until they walk away from the item or if they stay by the item for a maximum of 30 seconds. After that the dropped item is public property that anyone can pick up.
  I really don't see why Tiny Speck can't do something similar here with the planting feature, step in and make a minor tweak - something like a 5 second lock on the plants with a max of 4 to 6 plots locked simultaneously. even with this feature there is still going to be plenty of people who are not paying attention so the naughty players can have their fun snatching harvests, it will just be down to chance though wether they happen upon a daydreamer or not.
  Posted 12 months ago by Primevil Shambler | Permalink
- :: nods :: I agree Primevil. I'm glad they did what they did for dropped items and I'm sure, eventually, they'll do something here, as it's causing so much uproar, not to mention miserableness all around.
  Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- .. except for shexy and Des, they're not miserable... >_> lol
  Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- Things in your inventory that you drop are not the same as things you plant in a community garden.
  Suppose TS never intended for the community gardens to become private property. Supposed they allowed for private property within your own house, and gave you private plots where you could plant and harvest as securely as you like.
  They've already solved the problem by giving you plots that are secure. There is no need to convert all the plots in the community gardens to private property, even for the duration of the growth of one plant.
  Suppose they always intended for the Community Gardens to be a free public resource where nice Glitches planted things for other Glitches to harvest? Do you really suppose they will suddenly decided that converting public property to private property, even for a short time, is the best solution?
  There is ALREADY a way for people to get private, secure herb-growing plots. If you refuse to use the tools that TS has already provided, then it's doubtful they will agree that a public park should be made private.
  Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- Well we can hope that TS choose to do something. I try not to be too bothered if someone takes my plants although i'd be a liar if I said it didn't annoy me at all even though I im a big girl and I took the risk planting knowing that it could happen. What im actually more concerned about when it comes to community issues like this one is the impact on the newbie Glitchen - will it turn them off the game altogether or will it encourage them to perform acts of asshattery too because they see others doing it, the impact this might have on the homeless of UR who rely on beign able to use community gardens and the impact on players who have old computers or slow internet connections and might only want to enjoy doing the quests rather than selling up their home to buy one with appropriate plots then having to sell up again when they are done to go back to their old style house.
  Posted 12 months ago by Primevil Shambler | Permalink
- I'm doing my quests using a friend's garden.
  Many kind Glitches have offered to let others use their herb garden plots. There is no need for anyone to grow herbs in the public gardens, unless they prefer that playing style.
  I understand that some people are shy and others simply don't want to coordinate with someone else. But those choices are simply that: choices on how to play the game.
  I hope that TS figures out ways to encourage people to use the Community Gardens as resources freely available to other Glitches, and to encourage sharing of private spots for those who want a secure place to grow and harvest.
  I truly hope they don't convert a community resource into private property, even for short while.
  Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- Hear, hear, WindBorn! I don't think they'll convert it to private property, however. Crop "stealing" has always been a problem and the devs dealt with it by putting up those signs, so that planters would know the risk they were taking. Seems to me they've already decided how they want community gardens to work.
  Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona | Permalink
- lolthisthread
  Posted 12 months ago by Volkov | Permalink
- I always thought it was somewhere we rich, older players should plant stuff for the starving nooblets
  What happens to the starving nooblets now?
  Posted 12 months ago by shhexy corin | Permalink
- Think of the nooblets!
  I like it.
  Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- I don't think the devs should make herb theft impossible, but they could make it hurt a lot less if a seed yielded more than one flower, and/or a flower more than one seed. At the moment, it's essentially one seed=one herb=one seed. Super harvests are VERY rare, even with every applicable skill, and all too often shucking a herb yields ZERO seeds. That's why people are so possessive about herbs. That's where all the drama comes from.
  And, yeah, the signs aren't helping anything.
  Posted 12 months ago by E D D I E | Permalink
- It's not one seed = one herb = one seed, if that were true then herb farming would require lots and lots of time in the ancestral lands (and no shucking) to actually produce more herbs. With the herbalism skills, you on average double your stock over a harvest/shuck cycle for the less productive ones (one seed -> one herb -> two seeds), and something like triple on the more productive ones (one herb -> one seed -> three herbs). It's true that the yields are very low as compared with crops (one seed -> 12-18 veg -> 4-6 seeds).
  Many (most?) real-life community gardens (under that name) work on a semi-private model -- a person gets exclusive use of a plot for a growing season. But there are things supporting that that aren't present in Glitch -- some sort of central committee tracking the plot assignments, and a natural time for re-assigning plots (re-assign over the winter so people can plant their assigned spots in the spring). If you try to apply that model in Glitch, you run into problems -- not just that people can't tell (or don't care, or deliberately ignore) which crop is whose, which is the problem that people in favor of using that model in the Glitch community gardens focus on, but also there's no controls on how many plots a player could claim and there's no synching up of "growing seasons" so people could tell when the player's claim has run out. (I don't think anybody in the "keep them from stealing my herbs" camp would support someone planting up an entire street's worth of community garden with unfertilized yellow crumb (or potatoes) and guarding those all day against all comers, but that's a situation the I-planted-so-I-harvest model allows; Mr. Yellow Crumb would have blocked out nine cycles of purple farming, more if the purple people were guano users). RL community gardens plots don't have to be guarded 24-7, because the other gardeners know what is whose and can tend at their convenience. People trying to use the Glitch community gardens on that system, on the other hand, find themselves having to camp out in the gardens long-term in order to warn others off their crops and in order to be present at the exact time of ripening. Maybe some people don't mind that kind of camping, but I think the devs put up those signs to let us know that they don't want that kind of stationary time investment to be required in order to use the community gardens at all -- that coming in, planting some, tending some, and some other time (not necessarily precisely 9 hours later) wandering through and harvesting is fine. Maybe it'd be clearer if they were called "communal" gardens. All of them belong to all of us, all the time. Trying to hog them is hoggish, just like trying to hog any other shared resource, but the use pattern the devs are trying to encourage is more like a pot luck (you've got to try the fruit salad!) than like bag lunches (who took my sandwich from the break room fridge?!).
  Posted 12 months ago by Fnibbit | Permalink
- WHEN IS IT OKAY TO PICK HERBS ANOTHER PERSON PLANTED?
  This is the question we need to answer definitively. I only do this in a certain circumstance: I go to the herb gardens to plant and harvest my seeds. If there are no free plots to do this, I find plots that are unattended and ask if they belong to anyone. If nobody claims them, I guano, wait, harvest, and then plant my own. To be clear: I take when I need the plot and nobody claims ownership.
  WHEN IS IT DEFINITELY NOT OKAY TO PICK HERBS ANOTHER PERSON PLANTED?
  If someone plants, fertilizes, and stands there waiting for their herb to grow, it is definitely wrong to take those plants because you are faster to click. People who do this are vultures and parasites.
  WHAT DO THE SIGNS MEAN?
  Nobody really knows. These signs have not helped matters at all. If the purpose of putting them there was to clear up the rules of the herb gardens and to cut down on fights, they have failed spectacularly. Not only are the signs open to interpretation, they give vultures an excuse to take what isn't theirs. Not only have they failed to resolve any of the old disputes, they have created brand new ones. The devs must address this. The behavior I have had to deal with in the community herb gardens makes me want to rescind my paid membership immediately and quit the game. It's this kind of bullshit that people come to Glitch to avoid in other games.
  Posted 12 months ago by ༺Lhyzz༻ | Permalink
- I'm with Shexy and Windborn on this. And the signs are clear to me. I take them literally. Why try to create drama by trying to interpret in a deeper meaning? I have never considered either type of community garden to be MY garden. I go there often and water, clean, and plant whatever needs to be done. If there is something available to harvest (this is a rarity) I harvest. I don't consider it stealing to harvest what someone else has planted, because the vast majority of what I plant is harvested by someone else. To me it is a very communal place. If I see someone standing there waiting, I don't run over and harvest the crops, nor do I rush to plant in the empty plots. I give a little, I get a little. There is no stress involved.
  Posted 12 months ago by Audaria | Permalink
- @Lhyzz
  The signs mean that it's always OK to pick herbs someone else has planted. You cannot make up rules that tell other people when they can and cannot pick herbs. The devs have addressed this problem: they put up signs that say everyone can harvest.
  They did not put up signs that say:
  You can only harvest if you planted the crop
  You can only harvest if someone else isn't standing there
  You can only harvest if you guanoed the plot
  Your rules are irrelevant because they contradict the rules of the game which are written and displayed on the signs.
  If you want a private herb plot, you need to:
  a) buy a bog house
  or
  b) borrow herb plots from a friend who owns a bog house
  or
  c) rent herb plots from one of the Glitches who has announced publicly that they will rent out their plots
  You can make up any rules you want for private herb plots.
  If you just want the herbs you can also:
  d) buy the herbs from the auction.
  Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- @Lhyzz:
  WHEN IS IT OKAY TO PICK HERBS ANOTHER PERSON PLANTED?
  Always. That's what the sign says.
  WHEN IS IT DEFINITELY NOT OKAY TO PICK HERBS ANOTHER PERSON PLANTED?
  Never. It is always okay to pick herbs. They are free to harvest.
  WHAT DO THE SIGNS MEAN?
  Exactly what you don't want them to mean. They won't change in meaning just because you don't like what they say. The devs have addressed your issue by putting in the signs. You're not asking for clarification; you're asking for a reversal.
  I was so happy the other day. I wandered by my local garden and found some purple growing there. I harvested it, then tidied and watered the plots. Then I shucked some of that purple I'd just gotten and planted it back in the plots where I'd found the plants before wandering off to find other diversions.
  This is how communal gardens should work. No one camping plots or screaming about griefers. Give a little, take a little. No stress. They're lovely little community gardens. If you're finding herb gardening stressful, you're doing it wrong.
  Posted 12 months ago by Tributary | Permalink
- I'm sorry, just because you want the sign to mean "do whatever the hell you want" doesn't mean it actually does. It means anyone can use the plots, and anyone can pick from those plots. I agree that it is fine to plant abandoned plots, but when someone is standing there for a few minutes to pick a seed they've fertilized, obviously they have a need for those herbs soon. It's a SHITTY THING TO DO to take it out from under their nose. To say that it's perfectly okay -- even if the signs DO technically mean that that's fine, which I disagree with -- just means you're fine with being an impolite, parasitic vulture. If you're that kind of person, I weep for this community.
  Posted 12 months ago by ༺Lhyzz༻ | Permalink
- even if the signs DO technically mean that that's fine, which I disagree with -- just means you're fine with being an impolite, parasitic vulture.
  I love you, Lhyzz. <3
  Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- What is shitty is to pretend that you can make a public plot private and then pretend that it gives you some kind of right to be an impolite, parasitic vulture who tries to make other people feel guilty for doing something that is exactly what those plots are intended for.
  Disagreeing with the rules of the game doesn't give you the right to call other people names and stomp your feet when you can't impose your version of the rules on their game play.
  I rejoice that the devs continue to develop a game that encourages sharing and freely contributing to the benefit of other players.
  Posted 12 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- Hey, didn't we learn our lessons about name calling? You (can guess who I'm talking about) are trying to strong-arm just as much as anyone in this forum. Just because the devs are controlling something one way right now, doesn't mean they won't change it later due to public outcry. Just like no one person owns the gardens, no one opinion owns this forum. Complaining about someone calling you names by calling them names in the same paragraph doesn't really give you much credit or a case.
  Posted 12 months ago by Mr. Miskatonic | Permalink
- I just planted some free yellow crumb and gandlevery in shimla Mirch. I did have to hurry to fill all the empty plots, and yeah there were some folks politely discussing who was to going to use which of the empty spots while I ignored them and planted. I said they were free and gave out the rest of my extra seeds to those standing around and then left. Nobody objected but I think some others may have wanted to use the empty plots. *shrugs*
  I think the best solution is for people who who prefer the free for all method, is to simply plant as much free to take herbs as they can find spots for. If some of the campers (not all) want to make this seem like a fight for the moral high ground then if they are seen selfishly guarding one spot while most of the garden is given freely they aren't going to win any morality points for that. Its not very nice to paint the harvesters as "thieves". Some may enjoy snatching but I think most just want to harvest first and plant later, rather than have to waste time guarding a few seeds. If everyone followed the "harvest first, plant later" system and some of us who are making lots from our private gardens remember to give back by planting only...then most of these problems would be solved and nobody would have to waste time and emotional energy guarding seeds. Yes, some people will come and harvest and not plant. It doesn't really matter so long as some of us remember to go plant and not harvest. Think of it as the freemium method. Some of us pay subscriptions to use glitch and some play for free. So what? Some people steal music off the internet and others buy the same music? So what? I watched the entire Lost TV series on the internet for free (after the show finale, I didn't want to waste years on that crap). Later I did buy a box set and rented several others because the quality was better. My point is that is the same thing: some people are going to get stuff for free. So what?
  Posted 12 months ago by Treesa | Permalink
- To everyone: Just because someone is loud and filled with hot air doesn't mean they get to stomp on you. There are some arrogant people in here. (not calling out names, because I'm a "gentleman") Some folks in here just want to yell and be heard just to get their way. This is a game. A game. There are certain ideals and manners that should be abided, but if you can't tell the difference between THIS and what is away from the keyboard...sheesh. God help those that know you in the real world.
  Now, I ask...Have I been offensive in any way or have I at least tried to just make a simple point?
  I'd rather not get kicked off the forums because tantrums can't be controlled.
  Thank you for your time
  Posted 12 months ago by Mr. Miskatonic | Permalink
- You're welcome
  Posted 12 months ago by Treesa | Permalink
- Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, and let's cut the crap, k?
  Posted 12 months ago by DamitaJo | Permalink
- @Lhyzz
  Swiping herbs from under someone's nose may be wrong, but it is not against the rules. It's rude. It's obnoxious. But it's not against the rules, and it's not something I feel is worth policing.
  However, it is also rude and obnoxious to camp out in the community herb gardens as if they were private herb gardens, and then whine and whine and bitch and moan about people who are not playing the way they want them to play. It's not against the rules, and it's not something worth policing, although the first group does seem to be attempting to discourage the latter group.
  Really, there's a better way, and it caters to neither of these play styles. I described it above, and you dismissed it as parasitic. My way is quite a bit less stressful than your way, however, and I do recommend that you try it. I find that Glitch is meant to be enjoyed. Hanging out in community gardens should be pleasantly relaxing.
  Posted 12 months ago by Tributary | Permalink
- Personally, after coming up with ideas on this topic, and also commenting, I have come to a definite conclusion: Blacklisting
  We are not allowed to publicly blacklist, however, we are allowed to form private lists. It would be nice if the game gave us in-game methods to keep track of players that grief, however, since it does not, simply come up with your own means. If you see a player that has done wrong to you, write the person's name down. Keep the list handy. Avoid them, do not help them, and watch their behavior. If they truly are the griefer, it will show outside of the gardens.
  Although in a perfect world I would say helping others would be a way of stopping their bad habits, this is idealistic, and pointless. Punishment works better, and it is far better to find ways to punish them for their behavior. Eventually, if enough people do so, they lose enjoyment in the game and either stop playing, or stop playing the way they have been.
  Personally, I plan on blacklisting people myself and in the future, following them to figure out what they do with their time. It is perfectly easy to friend anyone, as it is. I just wish we could colorcode our friends lists for better controls of identifying people on there.
  Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan | Permalink
- (Edited this. Poor word choice the first time, and it was a billion pages long.)
  Suffice it to say that I think following people around to track of they're playing the way you think they should play is creepy. If anyone did that to me, I would report them.
  If you're keeping a list, please, please don't share it with anyone. That is the least Glitchy activity I can think of. Much worse than stealing. Stealing costs currants, spreading secret accusations and heresy costs the social fabric of the game.
  If you are the sort of person to SHARE such a list, you should put me on it, because I'd rather be on a list with herb "thieves" than indignant vigilantes who try and enforce rules not everyone agrees on.
  Posted 12 months ago by Pomegrandy | Permalink
- Personally, I plan on blacklisting people myself and in the future, following them to figure out what they do with their time.
  That is downright creepy. Like, seriously so. And that bothers me more than people 'griefing'.
  Posted 12 months ago by Saiai | Permalink
- Kirnan, please share your blacklist with me. I'd very much like to buy everyone on it a round of drinks and show them how fun and non-creepy this game and its players are.
  Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona | Permalink
- Well, some good can come of all of this: I'm listening to Neko Case's "Blacklisted" because of this thread.
  Posted 12 months ago by Sloppy Ketchup | Permalink
- Pft, creepy. Seriously, that is what people say when they feel that getting away with anything is a good thing. Following thieves around is certainly not creepy, and last I checked, not reportable either. Hell, there is an achievement for it.
  Stealing is part of the social fabric of the game, and other griefing behaviors damage it. Secret accusations though? Uh huh....cause pointing out bad behavior is bad itself? All people can make choices, and if they do so, they enforce consequences, whether good or bad consequences. Certainly if one does not want negative consequences, they should not commit negative behaviors versus others.
  As for enforcing rules, no one but the devs have that power. We only have the power to ignore or not help those who decide to grief. And you can say that thieving herbs from someone who is obviously planting them for their own use is not griefing, but you would only be enforcing your perspective.
  That is what this all comes down to anyway. Perspective. If those who grief feel they are just playing as they should, then anyone that feels victimized should feel free to play as they should as well, including blacklisting them.
  Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan | Permalink
- From the Community Guidelines: "Vigilante action against players who are, in your opinion, playing “incorrectly” can be griefing too and it is not allowed."
  So, although "following them to figure out what they do with their time" may not be specifically called out, it certainly seems to violate the guidelines.
  Posted 12 months ago by Audaria | Permalink
- Thanks for that, Audaria.
  Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona | Permalink
- If someone who didn't like me followed me around to keep track of what I was doing isn't creepy, then I don't know what is.
  Personally? I have better things to do with my time than follow what someone is doing on Glitch. If you have the time to do that, more power to you. I'd rather play the game and not creep around keeping tabs on people. *shudder*
  Posted 12 months ago by Saiai | Permalink
- Following is not vigilante action, and creepy is the last thing one should be called for following anyone in an online game, where we are talking about pixels here. I can understand if we were talking about real life, but we are not...and furthermore, if I felt like doing this to play the game, that is my way to spend time. This game doesn't have any hard rules as to how to play, as you all are saying, so "following" better come under your precious definition.
  Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan | Permalink
- "we are talking about pixels here."
  "if I felt like doing this to play the game, that is my way to spend time."
  Weird how applicable both of those statements are to herb/crop "stealing".
  Posted 12 months ago by Rev. Desdemona | Permalink
- +1 Rev.
  I don't appreciate the herb theives (although it makes no difference to me because I garden in a bog house), but that reply was a definite win :D
  Posted 12 months ago by Aurora Dellaterra | Permalink
- It is not like this is some news to me. I know very well that my freedom is just as earned as a griefer has his or hers. However, it is obvious you guys take the sides of griefers, and I stand opposed. I am certainly not saying there is some ultimate right or wrong here, but I am saying this: If you are a player that knowingly wants to harm another person, regardless of what harm they might suffer, I am against you. You may have your freedom to grief, and so I have my freedom to blacklist you and ensure others do not help you.
  The only thing that really bothers me out of this is how any of you can stand up for those who bully, and it makes me wonder if this is the kind of behavior you approve of in real life, or if this is some alternate way of doing things merely because it is a game to you. I am guessing that kindness is not part of your gameplay, and I can't say I am shocked.
  Posted 12 months ago by Kirnan | Permalink
- Kirnan I don't oppose you in the slightest just so you know, you have at least one person on your side in all of this =) I agree with everything you've said and completely support you.
  (( hugs ))
  I also hope this means we can be friends as we seem to see the world the same way, I'd love to get to know you better. =)
  Posted 12 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- Kirnan, none of the folks who were troubled by your blacklisting idea support the thieves. What I'm reading is that people are equally troubled by your intent to monitor others' game play and "ensure others don't help [them]". Audaria very clearly explained why your proposal is a violation of the Community Guidelines. Let's not replace one mistake with another. You play your own game and make your own choices, but you cannot control the game play of others.
  Posted 12 months ago by Sloppy Ketchup | Permalink
- When the herb quest came, I had no choice but to use the community gardens because I have no bog house. After being crowded out at every turn by those staking out "their" plots in the community gardens, I finally started announcing when I went in that I just needed one plant. In every case except one, players let me harvest at the plot they had staked out. I tried to repay with seeds and random kindness. Most people here are generous if you give them a chance.
  P.S. I finished my quest!
  Posted 12 months ago by Mollie | Permalink

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