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#### Changes to Class Two Herb Seeds, Tinctures and Potions are now live

All of the changes have been made and are now live. The details (lots!) are below:
HERB SEEDS
The base cost of all Class Two herb seeds have been halved:
• Purple Flower Seed base cost reduced to 6 (was 12).
• Silvertongue Seed base cost reduced to 25 (was 50).
• Yellow Crumb Flower Seed base cost reduced to 33 (was 66).
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TINCTURES
The return on making tinctures, comparing the value of inputs (ingredients and energy) vs outputs, used to be 0% — there was just no profit in it! Tincture prices have now increased to bring the return to 25%.
Detailed changes below:
Essence of Gandlevery
Base cost increased to 181 (was 149)
Essence of Hairball
Base cost increased to 449 (was 367)
Essence of Rookswort
Base cost increased to 509 (was 409)
Essence of Rubeweed
Base cost increased to 383 (was 307)
Essence of Purple
Base cost increased to 491 (was 397)
Essence of Silvertongue
Base cost increased to 283 (was 227)
Essence of Yellow Crumb
Base cost increased to 541 (was 431)
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POTIONS
The return on making potions used to be around -10% (ie. the potions would be worth 10% less than the ingredients and energy that went into making them). Potion recipes have been updated to make potionmaking profitable, to an average return of about 25%.
Detailed changes below:
Amorous Philtre
Base cost increased to 750 (was 625)
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Silvertongue ingredient removed
• Energy cost changed to 45 (was 30)
Elixir of Avarice
Base cost increased to 1250 (was 1200)
Recipe change:
• 3 Helium required (was 9)
• 1 Krazy Salts (was 4)
• Energy cost changed to 60 (was 40)
Rainbow Juice
Recipe change:
• 3 Yellow Crumb Flowers ingredient removed
• 11 Blue Bubbles required (was 13)
• 11 Green Eggs (was 17)
• 13 Strawberries (was 23)
• 3 Orange Juices (was 7)
The Charades Potion
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Silvertongue required (was 1 Essence of Yellow Crumb)
Tree Poison
Base cost increased to 750 (was 550)
Recipe change:
• 1 Krazy Salts required (was 2)
• Energy cost changed to 30 (was 25)
Tree Poison Antidote
Base cost increased to 375 (was 275)
Recipe change:
• 5 Spriggase required (was 7)
• 1 Guano (was 3)
• Energy cost changed to 20 (was 15)
Ancestral Spirits
Base cost increased to 1850 (was 1500)
Recipe change:
• 11 Guano ingredient removed
• 1 Essence of Silvertongue required (was 2)
• Energy cost changed to 80 (was 55)
De-Embiggenifying Potion
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Purple required (was 2)
• 5 Helium (was 7)
• 11 Tiny Bubbles (was 13)
Door Drink
Base cost increased to 750 (was 650)
Recipe change:
• 1 of Essence of Gandlevery required (was 1 Essence of Purple)
• Energy cost changed to 40 (was 25)
Embiggenifying Potion
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Purple required (was 2)
• 3 Heavy Gas (was 5)
Keycutter Tonic
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Hairball ingredient removed
• 11 Tiny Bubbles required (was 35)
Potion of Animal Youth
Base cost increased to 1500 (was 1400)
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Purple required (was 2)
• 13 Blue Bubbles (was 32)
• 3 Guano (was 6)
• Energy cost changed to 60 (was 50)
Rook Balm
Base cost increased to 1000 (was 750)
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Gandlevery ingredient removed
• Energy cost changed to 45 (was 30)
Trantsformation Fluid
Base cost increased to 2500 (was 2250)
Recipe change:
• 2 Essences of Rookswort required (was 3)
• 1 Essence of Yellow Crumb (was 1)
• 2 Guano (was 3)
• Energy cost changed to 90 (was 75)
Draught of Giant Amicability
Base cost increased to 3011 (was 2511)
Recipe change:
• 2 Essences of Silvertongue required (was 3)
• 2 Essences of Yellow Crumb (was 3)
• 1 Essence of Rubeweed (was 2)
• Energy cost changed to 100 (was 80)
Dung-Kicker Drops
Base cost increased to 2200 (was 2000)
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Gandlevery required (was 1 Essence of Yellow Crumb)
• 5 Crying Gas (was 15)
• Energy cost changed to 80 (was 70)
Liquid Super-Hoe
Recipe change:
• 1 Essence of Rookswort required (was 2)
• 5 White Gas (was 9)
• 5 Hard Bubble (was 15)
Manyharvest Cordial
Recipe change:
• 2 Essences of Silvertongue required (was 3)
• 2 Essences of Rubeweed (was 4)
• 5 Helium (was 11)
• 11 Hard Bubbles (was 13)
Seed-Dibber Libation
Recipe change:
• 2 Essences of Gandlevery required (was 5)
• 2 Essences of Yellow Crumb (was 3)
• 5 Tiny Bubbles (was 11)
• 1 Heavy Gas (was 3)
Soak-All Solution
Recipe change:
• 3 Essences of Gandlevery required (was 5)
• 2 Essences of Silvertongue (was 4)
• 11 Blue Bubbles (was 13)
• 5 Crying Gas (was 10)

Posted 86 days ago by Mart Lume | Permalink

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- great explanation, thanks for the re-balancing of potion and essence values too
  Posted 86 days ago by Arietty | Permalink
- thanks for the in-depth explanations. Great changes overall.
  Posted 86 days ago by Heatseeker | Permalink
- So glad that the for-fun potions will now take fewer ingredients to make! Amorous rainbows for all!
  Posted 86 days ago by Voluptua Sneezelips | Permalink
- Sounds great...ty!!
  Posted 86 days ago by sgjo | Permalink
- Noooooooooooooo..... Oh wait, sounds fine.
  Posted 86 days ago by Kleb | Permalink
- This makes me happy! Thanks for the info.
  Posted 86 days ago by ♥shay♥ | Permalink
- Fantastic! I trust that the new potions are the same item as before (no old-style Ra1nb0w Potions etc.)?
  Posted 86 days ago by Pale Queen | Permalink
- This is excellent. Thank you!
  Posted 86 days ago by Wintera Woodswitch | Permalink
- Great changes. Not to YC, but I approve of the rest, LOL :-)
  Posted 86 days ago by ennuienta | Permalink
- *looks at stocked cupboard* *sigh* still, at least I have a chance of hitting the tincture and potion badges now. Good move TS.
  Posted 86 days ago by jiva | Permalink
- Awesome. Although I am still wondering why Dung Kicker drops requires 50 guano per potion when it takes only 30 guano to make a 15 herb plot grow at it's fastest rate. The percentage as it stands now seems especially punitive.
  Posted 86 days ago by Violet Faulds | Permalink
- "Awesome. Although I am still wondering why Dung Kicker drops requires 50 guano per potion when it takes only 30 guano to make a 15 herb plot grow at it's fastest rate. The percentage as it stands now seems especially punitive."
  Dung Kicker has 5 uses, so you're actually only spending 10 guano per plot per use!
  Also I love this. Yessssss. Potionssssss. Come to me, my pretties......
  Posted 86 days ago by Makai | Permalink
- Violet Faulds: There are 5 doses in Dung Kicker Drops.
  5 * 15 = 75, so you save 25 guano by using the potion (if applied to 15 plot gardens every time).
  Posted 86 days ago by Jheya | Permalink
- That's a very long post. please can you tell me what I'm supposed to get angry about? thanks!
  Posted 86 days ago by shhexy corin | Permalink
- Yay! Love this new change!
  Posted 86 days ago by Ayasta | Permalink
- Marvelous, thanks TS!
  Posted 86 days ago by WeavingTheWeb | Permalink
- Thanks for the detailed changes!!!! Tnx! :)
  Posted 86 days ago by UXRoot | Permalink
- Thanks TS! I especially appreciate the unexpected changes to the other potions. More hearts and rainbows :D
  Posted 86 days ago by Ananda | Permalink
- Many, many thanks for this and for keeping us informed as to what to expect! :)
  Posted 86 days ago by Grem Sketch | Permalink
- lol shhexy!
  Posted 86 days ago by Cabra | Permalink
- Woah... this is great information. Thanks, TS! Maybe I'm just a BetaNerd for enjoying adjustments such as this (and as I am usually a "detest-surprises/resistant-to-change" flavor of person, it's a huge compliment to you guys that I'm actually excited about stuff like this and not hiding in a corner shaking uncontrollably).=D
  Posted 86 days ago by TransplantedEntwife | Permalink
- And in one fell swoop, my gas business is in ruins.
  Posted 86 days ago by Mr Mellifluous | Permalink
- Thanks a lot! Have you applied this kind of analysis to other things like food and ingots? Maybe I'm wrong but my impression has always been that its more profitable just to sell the raw materials than it is to make stuff.
  Posted 86 days ago by Anthropocene | Permalink
- LOVE
  Posted 86 days ago by Mt Dew Me | Permalink
- Thanks, Mart, for providing the comparison data. Now I don't have to scratch out before/after numbers on the back of an envelope---lol. I think what TS worked out is much more balanced and harmonious......and that makes the giants happy, and when they are happy, we glitchen are happy too!
  Posted 86 days ago by GreyGoose | Permalink
- Ah, that explains why almost every potion in my tower sold out suddenly, after months of no interest. I had priced them just slightly over their tool vendor resale.
  Posted 86 days ago by Mr Shrimpy Pants | Permalink
- Thank you Mart for the great write-up (and whomever may have eye-balled as well behind-the-scenes). I love BETA!
  Posted 86 days ago by FlatEarther | Permalink
- time for that potion quest...
  Posted 86 days ago by IxÆoN | Permalink
- "13 Strawberries (was 23)"
  oh my sweet dear Giants, thank you!! and that's just one ingredient in all this great changes!
  now tell me: you are made of genius, mixed with honey and cherries on top, aren't you?:)
  Posted 86 days ago by mira gaia maia | Permalink
- :'( My life is over ;'(
  Posted 86 days ago by zoey10189st | Permalink
- Awesome!
  Posted 86 days ago by HAVOK PEW SUMMERS | Permalink
- Thanks so much for not nerfing the shucking but taking everyone's comments into account and focusing on reducing the seed price! Also thanks for all the adjustments to the essences and potions...seems very reasonable, and I can't wait to try out some of the ones I've not bothered with because it seemed like too much work before. Sounds much more balanced now...(((big hugs)))
  Posted 86 days ago by b3achy | Permalink
- As everyone else said, thank you for announcing this before hand, thank you for allowing discussion and thank you for actually taking that discussion into consideration. I really have nothing negative to say about this patch, it was documented well, explained well and it was well deserved. I won't say that there aren't more unintended consequences (Herb potions now really having no use due to cost vs. profit, guano about to take a huge crash, etc.) but that was really all I asked for, discussion. So great job TS, and as you can see by the mostly positive response, you should absolutely continue to do this for major changes.
  Posted 86 days ago by Ramus | Permalink
- Oooh nice.
  Now hurry up book learnin' so I can make those potions I've never heard of!
  Posted 86 days ago by Ida Keen | Permalink
- Thanks for such a detailed update. (((TS)))
  Posted 86 days ago by kat65 | Permalink
- Great change! Thanks!
  Posted 86 days ago by Lucille Ball | Permalink
- Seriously, rainbows need yellow in them. It's bad enough they already don't have purple ;p
  Posted 86 days ago by larky lion | Permalink
- Ugh, that sucks... I hate the cut prices on the seeds :(
  Posted 86 days ago by Marla Singer | Permalink
- Thanks for waiting until I had built up my currants again...was hoping to do it in time to buy a Rube potato to go with my lovely spigot, but oh well, missed out on those...now, I have them for the next great opportunity. And I'm just happy the shucking didn't get nerfed. Now to learn potion making to try some new things! It was indeed getting old just growing and harvesting YCF...and I had only been doing it for about month...enjoying now growing all sorts of different herbs in my backyard...such lovely colors.
  Posted 86 days ago by Holly Wolly | Permalink
- Great job at handling this entire issue TS. This could have caused an uproar among the older players. I think the way you handled this should be studied by other game developers.
  I mean, seriously, talk about customer service and moving forward with the game at the same time. Who else would know how to do this?
  Again, great job.
  Posted 86 days ago by Gordon Lughsen | Permalink
- I think you all at TS has thought very well of your clients and saw what could very easily become greed.I truly loved just learning about this great source of fattening up my much depleted current bank but love that now maybe the thieves will stop coming in the night and harvesting all my hard work on the front yard.I know only too well these front yards are a source of bad feelings.If you dare leave them full of herb and then go to sleep you wake with nothing but to hoe hoe hoe.(whatcha gonna do ) haha.Anyhow if folks just investigate the other seeds reward you will be very close to yc.try them out at the vender to see which are very much the same in return.
  Posted 86 days ago by Jellybelly Baby | Permalink
- I have been taking advantage of the Yellow Crumb loophole for some time now...
  I'm actually glad it's been closed and fixed, and that the potions are so much more accessible now.
  Less currants for me, more fun for all.
  Win!
  Posted 86 days ago by MixMasterG | Permalink
- " now maybe the thieves will stop coming in the night and harvesting all my hard work on the front yard."
  Just put crop gardens on your home street. No-one will touch them and you'll have them all to yourself, lol! :D
  Posted 86 days ago by The Somber Duke | Permalink
- Charades Potion is still yellow color, even thou there's no more Yellow Crumb Flower in it anymore ;)
  and anyway, great changes, thank you all so much. now it will be even easier to make all the stuff that I already make like crazy :D
  Posted 86 days ago by Posh | Permalink
- Alchemy is the science where all the middle steps are MAGIC! So yellow charades come from purple :)
  Besides, it's what's on the inside that counts and purple is all fun in a short dress.
  Also, thanks TS.
  Posted 86 days ago by M<3tra, obviously | Permalink
- I love love love the new potions (soaker, seed, etc.). Totally addicted to these. Thanks for making potions so much fun and rethinking the entire potions group!
  Posted 86 days ago by AlmostSilver | Permalink
- The thought of making Essence of Purple still makes me queasy (Getting up the oomph to make Tangy Sauce? Well, that'll keep my glitchen off tha drugs!) but HUZZAH for Rainbow Juice Reinvention! I see a few dozen of those in my immediate future.
  As for my fortune? Diversification works every single time. Now, if we only had piggy banking and croc credit.
  Posted 86 days ago by Mistress*of*Fishies | Permalink
- It occured to me that is Tangy Sauce gets rebalanced [stoot has said cooking recipies will be], and ends ups with a higher currant value, it will end up *nerfing* this spiffy new purple potion.
  If Tangy gets a rebalanced by thinning the requirements it would leave the potion at its current profit level.
  Posted 86 days ago by Sturminator IX | Permalink
- LOVE the changes!
  Great job!
  Posted 86 days ago by lolol | Permalink
- Now if only we had futures, short sales, etc so I could ramble about losing everything on Black Monday way back in Septa, yr 24.
  Posted 86 days ago by Dr McFluffles, MD | Permalink

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