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can we just settle this. family game or not?

i can't really find an official definition for what a family game is or not, but i mean, it's essentially the same as a 'family film' in regards to the use of language. so, while 'family game' doesn't have an objective definition (yet), 'family film' does. it's "a film genre that is designed to appeal to a variety of age groups and, thus, families." i think we all agree that the game appeals to many age groups. i suppose we could also agree that the game is PG-13 considering that a player must be 13 years or older to play (with parental consent). films typically are upgraded to PG-13 from PG when language is used sparingly (generally, less than 4 times) or the movie is especially violent. note that Glitch never uses language and is never violent, so the game really should be PG or even G. Certainly, it would be rated E for everyone with a disclaimer that they cannot control the content experienced online.  

ultimately though, the game has parallels with a family film that's rated PG-13. and as such, we shouldn't use language. 

thank you for your time.

(edit: ToS says 14 years or older, so I guess PG-14 would be more accurate.)

Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • So, to be clear:

    You DO think that would solve the problem?  You DON'T think it's reasonable to go around asking people to self-censor in public areas?  You DON'T want the rest of us to agree to self-censor?

    Because if all of those statements are true, then you won't asking someone in public chat  to not use language you're uncomfortable with.  Because that would be asking them to self-censor. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • OH!! I;m sure it would have gotten there sometime tonight 
    Posted 15 months ago by Tenebrae Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Nanookie

    I don't think you have to work that hard.  It's gonna happen pretty easy here.
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Haha! Nanookie, what's the longest thread ever? I didn't realize this had got to 600 posts! Good grief. Well on that note, I'm afk. BBL. Too funny.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Once this game goes live there will be all kinds of griefers and foul language. The same thing happened in "Second Life". When the numbers of total players were down in the 20K to 30K's (with only 10K on at any one time) you could have the game policed by "Lindens" (in game help staff). However once the numbers took off so did the issues, finally live help was killed off because there was no way to cope with all the problems.

    Unless players register with a credit card, and are verified, it's doubtful that much will be done to ban trouble makers, just imagine the number of reports staff might have to deal with if people start filing alerts for foul language. Those of you with sensitive ears are going to have to either stick to known chat groups or get used to the possibility of being subjected to the foulest language you can imagine! And in all truth it will probably juvenile griefers with the worst language... they love the drama.
    Posted 15 months ago by GavinLeigh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I didn't realize this had got to 600 posts! Good grief. Well on that note, I'm afk.

    .....e.g. mission accomplished?
    Posted 15 months ago by jasbo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • P.S. Can I have a badge too :)
    Posted 15 months ago by GavinLeigh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • windborn, i think you're still talking to me.

    i think there is a difference between asking in a specific instance for language to be toned down and asking people in general to watch their step just in case i or anyone else might be offended.

    if i'm offended, it is MY responsibility to decide how to deal with it.

    usually i ask myself: is this conversation important enough for me to make a point of asking for the language to be closer to what is comfortable for me?

    usually the answer is no. usually i just leave the conversation.

    i also recognize that if in an instance i ask for a tidying up of language for my benefit, i may be told "no."

    but it is not the responsibility of the larger community to make sure everything they say or do is inoffensive to me or anyone else.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "No. A film is upped to R when it has too many uses of foul language. As my original post showed from Wikipedia, if it has around 4 or more uses it becomes upped to R. Additionally, a movie is upped to R when it has a lot of violence. Glitch itself never uses language and has almost no violence. The Rook scratching up the screen might be considered violence."

    Dawg, you have missed another quite informative post I have to say.
    As we are already using Canadian standards, it is fair to continue to use them in this case.
    The absolute highest a rating which can be assigned based on coarse language is 18A, which declares that you must have permission to watch it if you are under 18. That is the exact rule enforced by TS, you must have permission to play if you are under the age of 18.
    18A in no way censors it's own use of language, nor does it exclude "young adults" (or, in 11 of our 13 provinces and territories, even children under 14!) from watching it, it only means that in order to do so, they must either have parental permission, or be sneaky enough to get around that situation either by having an older sibling rent it, or going to the theatre when you know the lenient teen is manning the ticket booth.
    This is in exact parallel to Glitch, as you must either obtain parental permission, or pretend that you did/are old enough in order to register.

    The rating of 18A has no restrictions upon language use at all, thus, excessive coarse language is acceptable to be shown to those under 18 assuming they are sneaky or have parental permission.

    Now, discarding the pretense of being Family Friendly, as I have just shown that such a claim is irrelevant by using a verified film rating system used in a country this game is made, let's move on to "politeness".

    Some of you might like this, by the way!
    Let's say we're going strictly off of your (repeated) claims that being polite involves refraining from swearing. This (if assumed to be empirically true) means that saying "hey, fuck you" or "Oh shit I died!" would be impolite.

    Now picture, for a moment, that someone comes into chat and says "Holy crap, we just had a baby girl, she is so fucking beautiful, I love her so much!"
    Is this or is this not impolite, to you as someone who claims swearing is inherently impolite when in mixed company one doesn't know very well?

    "Hot damn, this sunrise is fucking gorgeous, I wish you guys could see it!"
    Is that impolite?

    The point many of us have tried to make is that language in and of itself is not ever impolite, it is the usage which makes it impolite, at least to most people who have grown past the stage where one is compelled to make everyone follow the rules one's parents force upon them, in order for it to be "fair".
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I admit that a couple days ago, I got mad at someone in global chat for saying something that was off colour. Had something to do with cats. 
    He immediately apologized and life went on. There was no other reaction. 
    We all went playing. 
    Why can't this be the way?
    Posted 15 months ago by Tenebrae Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 to Gadzooks for an awesome definition of "family game."
    Mr. Dawgg: You state age groups of 8-13, 14-17, 18-50 and 51+ (I altered the 14-18 due to the ToS that 14-17 need parental consent, I hope that's okay with you).
    You are right: Glitch appeals to all but the youngest group, who are restricted.  Get it?  Restricted.  A film can be given an R rating for language, sexual content, adult content, and violence.  Even leaving out the violence, if it can be factually stated that:
    1. In order to gain access to an R-rated film, you must be 18 or older, or be accompanied by someone 18 or older, and 2. In order to gain access to Glitch, you must be 18 or older or have a parent read and agree to the ToS,

    then we can assume that, in terms of age-appropriateness, TS has determined that it will be similar to an R-rating.  As there is no violence in the game, we can assume this means that there is content that could be viewed by some as inappropriate for children, or more generally, for those under 18.  As 14-17 year olds are older and more capable of handling mature content, it is up to the parents of the individual 14-17 year olds to make a determination of the game based on their child and the ToS.  ETA: As someone pointed out above, going by Canadian standards, this corresponds nicely with the 18A rating.

    I see no reason why a few curse words would be an issue, as an R or 18A rating allows for plenty of cursing, unless you want to include the 8-13 age group, which TS and apparently most of the players are against anyway.

    We don't need to wait for marketing.  ToS is clear on age limitations for its users.  Marketing won't change that.

    And yes, asking people politely to refrain from doing/saying something that personally offends is asking people to suppress content that you deem objectionable, which is the very definition of censoring.  You are asking people to self-censor.

    I do refrain from using "coarse" language in public when there are children within my field of vision.  If there aren't and I am discussing something like a rape case, I will use the word "fuck" in a sexual way, in public.  Similarly, if I see no children before I bang my little toe against a table, I will yell "shit!"  If I see kids that look younger than mid-teen around, I self-censor, but that's my whole point:  There are no children around Glitch, nor should there be!  
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How I feel.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I used to have higher expectations with language use, however I finally realized that shit and fuck are common usage words now. I am sorry if people get offended by them, but language changes over time and things become more "normalized".

    Of course there are a words I'd prefer reserved for emergencies, but even those might become regularly used.

    It is also possible to write chat code that automatically #$%@'s out foul language... or maybe even write an auto-splanking route for those with potty mouths :)
    Posted 15 months ago by GavinLeigh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lord Bacon-o ..... Make it So!
    Posted 15 months ago by GavinLeigh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Only here to collect my badge,OH and by the way the horse is Soooooooooooo dead.he is now in Rigor Mortis.lol
    Posted 15 months ago by Jellybelly Baby Subscriber! | Permalink
  • no, he would have passed out of rigor by now...
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @flask,
    no, actually that was a point by point response to Ferond
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • huh, does anyone else see underlines under my link?  That's new.
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @windborn.

    oh. okey-doke.
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @flask, I am so sorry I didn't respond to you earlier I had to run out.  Yes nekid with hats and appropriately badged sashes are ok (yes I know badged isn't correct, but I liked the word.
    Posted 15 months ago by Menoboo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg,

    Films are rated based on the language (and other things) actually in them. It's not based on what viewers of the film want the content to be. It's not based on who views the film. The language that is in Glitch includes whatever R-rated (in movie land) language has indeed been spoken in the game. Supposing I accept the comparison, the rating would be based on what people have actually said, not what anyone wants people to agree to say in future. I don't accept the comparison, because the impossibility of predicting what words any given player will encounter makes MMOGs unrateable.

    The average age thread shows there's a wide range within a minority of non-randomly selected players. It's not proof that Glitch overall isn't dominated by a narrow age range. I'm not saying you're wrong. On the contrary, I suspect you're right. I'm just saying you haven't proven it.

    I don't see why you think TS's marketing strategy is likely to radically alter when the game goes public. Why would they try to attract testers who are significantly different from the customer base they want? Or do you object to the examples of evidence of their marketing strategy I offered (the Web site and the video)? If so, on what grounds?

    Coming back to the central issue: "I'm asking them to politely refrain as they would in any public setting." Some people don't refrain from saying "fuck" in public, and in some public forums saying "fuck" is appropriate (as has been pointed out by others).

    My usual public expletive is "Oh, my" :)

    P.S. I think I earned the First Class Undead Horse Beater Achievement.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ooloi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You guys are the ones being pretty rude if you ask me. Of note, I don't really care. I just don't get it. I don't really see why it's fair that you are even allowed to do it. Any other message board, and you all would have received warnings and possibly bannings. -- Dawgg

    Dude.  You would get eaten alive on the homeschool and mommy boards where I hang.  Poor critical thinking skills and faulty logic are SHREDDED there.  I assure you, there would be no warnings or bannings.  Only cake.  And high-fives.  And possibly chardonnay, depending on the time of day.
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @pallas:

    woot!
    Posted 15 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Windborn:
    "huh, does anyone else see underlines under my link?"
    I do.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Mr. Dawg

    "You guys are the ones being pretty rude if you ask me. Of note, I don't really care. I just don't get it. I don't really see why it's fair that you are even allowed to do it. Any other message board, and you all would have received warnings and possibly bannings."

    Have you seen any warnings or bannings for any violation of forum rules against harassment and abuse? That might not be something the mods do here. Or maybe there aren't any around on weekends.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ferond Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Ferond and Mr. Dawgg: Or they issue warnings, bannings, and other forms of punishment for derogatory, inflammatory, offensive, abusive, and malicious behavior, not behavior that is merely silly and perceived as rude.  No one is actually being mean or malicious, people are just being silly.  Sure, some of it is poking fun at Mr. Dawgg and the thread in general, but that's because he asked a question and then tried to beat people into submission.  The thread title is "Can we settle this, family game or not?" and Mr. Dawgg kind of "hijacked" his own thread by pushing for censorship (of the self-imposed kind) based on a presumption that everyone would eventually agree that Glitch is a family game.

    Which people do not agree with, and have stated such, in response to his question.

    As he continued to try to push his agenda, people began poking fun.  It's not offensive, and frankly, not really bannable behavior.

    ETA: I also don't think anyone is harassing Mr. Dawgg, or anyone, really.  People respond to him, he responds to others, and he has made it clear that he has no sense of humor over this thread, while others do.  He set up a public discussion, which he comes into and walks away from at will, and the rest are standing around having fun after being drawn in.  Whoopee.
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Here is the rule
    You agree not to: post...any content, that (i) is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, excessively violent, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, racially hateful, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

    I would guess that the staff who have looked at this thread have not yet seen anything that would violate that rule.  There have been plenty of staff members actively engaged in this forum (posting, moving threads, etc) so its not a matter of them not being around. 
    Posted 15 months ago by WindBorn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Pallas,
    But insulting and mocking people is ok there, I take it? And spamming, and whatever. I doubt it.

    Eliza,

    You're right about it being better to use Canada's rating system since that's the place they go by. But I guess I just think of things as G, PG, and R because that's where I'm from. But they do seem to be quite different. Either way, as pointed out again, and is part of the difficulty in rating online games is that the content isn't static. So, I was only using movie rating as something to generally go by to dictate how we should behave. In hindsight, that was a bad idea. I shouldn't have used it again, but my comparison was showing that at least in America it is not considered ok for language to be used in excess around young adults ages 13-17 according to the movie ratings.

    "I see no reason why a few curse words would be an issue, as an R or 18A rating allows for plenty of cursing, unless you want to include the 8-13 age group, which TS and apparently most of the players are against anyway."

    I agree.

    "We don't need to wait for marketing.  ToS is clear on age limitations for its users.  Marketing won't change that."

    Actually no. Stewart wasn't exactly clear. He said the game's audience is people of a higher intelligence level. That's actually pretty vague. He did say 20 somethings though. We don't know how they will market the game. They can still remove some of the more risqué elements and market the game to families if they wanted. Will they? I really don't know. But I really don't think it's outof the picture.

    "And yes, asking people politely to refrain from doing/saying something that personally offends is asking people to suppress content that you deem objectionable, which is the very definition of censoring.  You are asking people to self-censor."

    Not really. You guys are taking it to an extreme.

    "The point many of us have tried to make is that language in and of itself is not ever impolite, it is the usage which makes it impolite, at least to most people who have grown past the stage where one is compelled to make everyone follow the rules one's parents force upon them, in order for it to be "fair"."

    I agree. I never disagreed to this. I said some language is ok many, many times. I've said that I believe there are gray areas on some words as well.

    ""Hot damn, this sunrise is fucking gorgeous, I wish you guys could see it!"Is that impolite?"

    No, but it's crude.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Holy crap, I can't believe this got 600+ comments.  I really only have one thing to add:

    Eliza Thornybur:  I LOVE your name!  
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza,

    "@Ferond and Mr. Dawgg: Or they issue warnings, bannings, and other forms of punishment for derogatory, inflammatory, offensive, abusive, and malicious behavior, not behavior that is merely silly and perceived as rude.  No one is actually being mean or malicious, people are just being silly.  Sure, some of it is poking fun at Mr. Dawgg and the thread in general, but that's because he asked a question and then tried to beat people into submission.  The thread title is "Can we settle this, family game or not?" and Mr. Dawgg kind of "hijacked" his own thread by pushing for censorship (of the self-imposed kind) based on a presumption that everyone would eventually agree that Glitch is a family game."

    No. I was told multiple times not to play the game. To log off and quit. And one person told me point blank to F OFF in all capital letters. What? And the mocking is very very malicious. Just because it's not bothering me doesn't mean it isn't. The intent is very malicious. It's not silly at all. 

    "As he continued to try to push his agenda, people began poking fun.  It's not offensive, and frankly, not really bannable behavior."

    My agenda? Wow. Why do you guys do this with everything. It's asking people to be polite in a public forum and not use crude language. It's not like some secret agenda. Good grief.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza said : "We don't need to wait for marketing.  ToS is clear on age limitations for its users.  Marketing won't change that."

    Mr Dawgg replied: " Actually no. Stewart wasn't exactly clear. He said the game's audience is people of a higher intelligence level."

    @ Dawgg... You really in truly need to read the Terms of Service. It is infact clearly stated what the age limitations are for the game. Very black and white.

    "Access and Use of the Service
    • Your Registration Obligations; Your Account: In order to access and use the Service, you will have to register and sign up for an account with Tiny Speck. You agree to provide and maintain true, accurate, current and complete information about yourself as prompted by the Service's registration form. Registration data and certain other information about you are governed by our Privacy Policy. If you are under 14 years of age, you are not authorized to use the Service, with or without registering. If you are between the ages of 14 and 17, you represent that your legal guardian has reviewed and agreed to these Terms."
    That is pretty clear. I guess Stewart didnt feel the need to post here, something that you should have already read.
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Innie, at no point did I deny that? And Stewart posted three? times on the first page.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Laurli: Thanks!  I love yours!

    @ Mr. Dawgg:  Okay, so if Terms of Service (ToS) implies an R or 18A type rating (14-17 need permission, 18+ are cool), and we agree on this, then we should agree that some language is okay, right?  They should be able to handle it, as they would in, say, a non-violent R or 18A rated movie, yes?

    And yes, asking people to suppress their speech is asking them to self-censor, that's just the definition of the word (not mine, the dictionary's), and you are really disliking the word "censor."  It's just a word that means suppressing objectionable material, which is what you want people to do, right?  Suppress speech that you find objectionable?  You are asking us to self-censor.  There is no judgement in that, I just like it when people acknowledge what they want, instead of trying to sugarcoat it so that people agree.
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I love how Dawggy Dawg has responded to almost everyone but me. Then again, I'm the only one who called out his manipulative behavior. I'll say it again, in case he missed it: Dawggy doesn't care if this is a "family game" or not. That whole argument is a red herring. He just doesn't like shitty language personally & wants everyone else to conform to his little heart's desire. He thinks the best way to get people to agree to behave as he sees fit is to invoke "family values" even though he doesn't even LIKE children.
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ferond,

    "Have you seen any warnings or bannings for any violation of forum rules against harassment and abuse? That might not be something the mods do here. Or maybe there aren't any around on weekends."

    No I haven't. I don't really care if they do or not. My point was more that they should be glad they are able to get away with their behaviour.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Mr. Dawgg: Your agenda is to get everyone else to agree to stifle language that you find offensive.  It's an agenda.  An agenda for people to self-censor.  Can you call things what they are instead of hiding behind terms like "family"?

    ETA: I also remember moments of people offering you hugs.  I think you're focussed on the negative, and have a little lack of humor in this particular thread...
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza,

    The reason I'm taking a dislike to the word censor is because it's less about the words themselves (as you have shown as well), and more about the act of being crude. So while I'm not for people censoring themselves in terms of individual words (though, somewhat I admit that I am), I'm more concerned with everyone just agreeing that we should hold global/public chat to a higher level of standards.

    "@ Mr. Dawgg:  Okay, so if Terms of Service (ToS) implies an R or 18A type rating (14-17 need permission, 18+ are cool), and we agree on this, then we should agree that some language is okay, right?  They should be able to handle it, as they would in, say, a non-violent R or 18A rated movie, yes?"

    It's not about children or young adults. It's about social norms. Society says, R rated movies have language so we shouldn't let certain age groups go to see them without permission. Society says we shouldn't use language at church. Things like that. I'm saying, that based on some of these parallels, in addition to the fact that you have an eclectic bunch reading public chat channels, that we should refrain from using language. That is all. Can they handle it is individual to individual. Even if they can handle it doesn't mean we should subject anyone to it. Also, just because they can't enforce an actual rule against it, doesn't mean we have the right to do it either. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I believe Innie was trying to say that Stewart didn't feel the need to repeat what is already in the TOS.
    Posted 15 months ago by Varekai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But insulting and mocking people is ok there, I take it? And spamming, and whatever. I doubt it. -- Dawgg


    Hilarity is always welcome.  Quality people have a sense of humor about themselves.  Cruel people are recognized and judged, some stick around and develop self-awareness, some stick around for whatever masochistic reasons, some disappear.  Spammers are mocked and forgotten, not warned or banned.

    Having now read some of your contributions on other threads, I've revised my opinion of you.  At first, I thought you were a well-meaning, if clueless, compulsive nanny.  Then I thought that you were a socially inept teal deer addict.  Now I think you're just a mean, narcissistic, selfish piece of work and I'm done with you.

    I cannot believe that you've spoken to others the way you have (unapologetically!) and yet demand respect for yourself.  Remarkable.

    lifted pixel, I apologize for mentally rolling my eyes when you called troll.
    Posted 15 months ago by Pallas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza,

    Yes in the non-connatative use of the word agenda, it's an agenda. But using agenda in this context is just inaccurate. There are better word choices that make what I"m trying to do seem less grave.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whatever Pallas. 

    YoYo Mama,

    I'll reread your posts. It's possible I just looked them over because there are a lot of random posts that I have been ignoring. Let me reread.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I'm going to voice my opinion because I'm an opinionated jackass"
     Heh.
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @ Mr. Dawgg:

    Okay, but people swear in public areas.  People swear in grocery stores.  Besides which, you are ignoring the fact that, while "Public Chat" is public, it is only public within Glitch, which means that you must have signed up and read the Terms of Service prior to seeing the chats.  As the Terms of Service states that the game is for 18+ and 14-17 require parental consent, we can assume that some swearing/"mature content" in chat is acceptable, as long as it is not derogatory, malicious, racist, violent, threatening, etc. as per the Terms of Service.  

    Also, censoring is the suppressing of anything deemed objectionable, not just individual words.  I'm a stickler for definitions, etymology, and calling things what they are, so I apologize for sticking to this, but you cannot say, "But I'm not calling for self-censoring!" because, well... you are.

    ETA: Agenda: an underlying often ideological plan or program (Merriam-Webster).  It is an agenda. No judgement, it just is an agenda, and one far different from determining if it is a game suitable for children, and therefore families.
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • FWIW, this thread has convinced me to stop wearing pants in the game. While it may be breezy and cold, I figure that someone needs to take a stand.
    Posted 15 months ago by magic panda Subscriber! | Permalink
  • YoYo Mama,

    Ok, I didn't read your posts because I balled you with the rest of the mockers. As your first post clearly was mocking me. Blatantly.

    "Mr. Dawgg, did you just tell us your ass is a gray area? Seriously, have that checked out. Not by me, though. Hubby doesn't like it when I check out asses.Posted 3 days ago by YoYo Mama | Permalink"

    Whatever.

    "Maybe people are being snarky with you because your posts are quite frustrating, and now we know why. The reason you dug in your heels & refused to accept any of the evidence provided to you is because you didn't care."

    What evidence? I've replied to each and every bit of 'evidence' there was in a fair and balanced manner. I even did it again in a later post to show that. 

    http://beta.glitch.com/forum/general/7523/page3/#reply-81515

    People are being 'snarky' with me because they don't like me. They know I would prefer the thread to stay on topic (which surprisingly it has for the latter half of page 3), so they chose to go as off topic as possible. That's all there is to it.

    "This was never about whether Glitch is a "family game", or the definition of "family game," or any of the other nonsense you spouted in the first page-and-a-half"

    That is actually somewhat true. But it wasn't intended that way. I just always say in GC when someone cusses, 'This is a family game, Watch your language' or something to that extent. The GC spirals into a discussion on whether or not the game is a family game. That very type of discussion started in GC, so I made a thread to settle it once and for all. So partly my intent was to express that the game could be a family game. I still feel that it could be marketed that way, but we shall see what happens. Currently, I have agreed that it's not a family game. I don't know what more you guys want in that regard.

    But regardless whether it is a family game or not, the whole point behind it being a family game was that there are young adults and adults who prefer GC to be free of crude language and discussion. Because of that, we should keep it clean.

    " It was about YOU and YOUR preferences and how YOU think everyone else should behave."

    Based on social norms, yes.

     "Knowing that you wouldn't get very far by starting a thread about how people should watch language simply because you want them to, you took the "THE CHILDREN! THE CHILDREN! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?" approach."

    This is actually why I ignored your post. I didn't mention children ever. And all caps isn't fair to me like that.

    Ok thanks YoYo Mama for your posts. I hope you got from me what you wanted.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza,

    At no point am I disagreeing with you on the use of the empyrical definition of those words. But you're using those words instead of other words to make what I'm doing seem more grave. 

    How about instead of an agenda and censoring...

    Mr. Dawgg's idea for a polite chat experience is that everyone behave in a civil manner free of crude language. 

    See? It's not that bad. It's actually pretty positive.

    Yours:

    Mr. Dawgg's agenda is to censor people in GC.

    See the difference?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  •  Mr. Dawgg
    Do you work for Tiny Speck in any capacity? 
    If so, fine, I can understand why you feel the way you do about marketing the game

    If not, why do you feel the need to help them market the game? 
    Posted 15 months ago by Tenebrae Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza,

    "Okay, but people swear in public areas.  People swear in grocery stores.  Besides which, you are ignoring the fact that, while "Public Chat" is public, it is only public within Glitch, which means that you must have signed up and read the Terms of Service prior to seeing the chats.   "

    Yes they do. I don't deny that. Should they? Prolly not. Social norms where I live at least dictate that. Simply because I (and others like me) play the game, everyone being adults playing the game should respect that and refrain outof politeness.

    "As the Terms of Service states that the game is for 18+ and 14-17 require parental consent, we can assume that some swearing/"mature content" in chat is acceptable, as long as it is not derogatory, malicious, racist, violent, threatening, etc. as per the Terms of Service. "

    I'm actually going to bring up the Club Penguin thing on this. Club Penguin is a Kid Game not a Family Game. It clearly is trying to appeal to young kids around age 10. In spite of this, and in spite of all of the kid friendly atmosphere, in spite of the game having some of the best game police, Club Penguin still requires kids age 10+ to get parental permission and have parental supervision while playing. Glitch is just covering its bases here... just like Club Penguin. So the game allows 14-17 year olds. We know 14-17 year olds play based on the age thread as well.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Tene,

    I'm not trying to help them market the game at all. I'm saying they haven't launched any big marketing campaigns yet. I'm saying it's still in their capacity to change their target audience. We won't know who they target with their marketing campaign until they launch the game.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
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