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piggy underpopulation problem

what happened to all the piggies? Is everyone hog-tying them off the streets for their own gardens? Can't we leave some for everyone to enjoy? I hatched a new pig in Pakodi Prim today and within an hour it was gone, bringing all of Andra down to 7 piggies. Do we need a piggy replenishment society?

Posted 14 months ago by Niqster Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • You may be interested in chiming on on this thread.  I have noticed a lot fewer pigs around as well.  I hatched two on the street I live on and within a day they were both gone.
    Posted 14 months ago by Poppy of Detwoit Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well when I decide to go for this badge:

    Piggy Hash Slinger 1st Class - Fed 103 little Piglets until they grew up into Piggies

    Then I will be making many many piggies.
    Posted 14 months ago by TRB4 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Made all 25 of my own. People are snatching them up for both quests and profit, it is profitable right now to both donate pigs and to sell them, pig bait is cheaper than selling a pig to the vendor, the only reason they're not faster at it is the cooldown. I've tried dumping piggies myself, it's hard on any regular street (with trees) because they get napped really fast, it's easier to stop napping on blocks, but you have to leave enough feed for them constantly because if you leave a lot, someone will eventually take it,if you leave too little they'll die.
    Posted 14 months ago by Bluigi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've found loads of them in my travels. 
    I did Piggy Hash Slinger badge and released 103 of them, in random places, so I feel no guilt in capturing the odd one. If more people did that badge, then there'd be fewer complaints about lack of piggies :)
    Posted 14 months ago by Ebil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Donating piggies and selling them to vendors are the worst options in my opinion. By doing either of those actions you are literally REMOVING THEM FROM THE GAME. At least relocation keeps the piggies in Ur.
    Posted 14 months ago by TRB4 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • On some streets it seems a new pig will spawn if one is captured.  Pretty sure I've seen this in Groddle Meadow.  What governs whether new pigs spawn or not?
    Posted 14 months ago by Friend Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I seriously doubt piggies spawn.  If that were true, there would be no explanation for the dwindling population.  Although, I do have a sneaky suspicion that when someone "sets free" a chicken or piggy into the wild, it may randomly appear in a nearby street.
    Posted 14 months ago by Joojoo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Or it may be a pig that escaped being hog-tied returning to its place. I always wondered what happened if you didn't release them in time; the warning is so persistent! I'm pretty sure that pigs only get in the world by players putting them there. But a dev would have to confirm.
    Posted 14 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I noticed a sad lack of piggies in certain areas so I am work towards the hash slinger badge and running through the map releasing a sensible 3-4 piggies on each street in hopes to help with the population so hopefully you'll see a few more this week!
    Posted 14 months ago by Sassycats Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am continually releasing piggies in the wild.

    If you are a piggy lover, you might be interested in the AKA, or Animal Kinship Alliance group.

    www.glitch.com/groups/RCRRC...
    Posted 14 months ago by Kookaburra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks for the invite, Kookaburra.  Just signed up.  Let's overwhelm the senseless pignappers by flooding the streets with piggies.  A coordinated effort by AKA on a specified day to release a specified amount of piggies is in order!  To arms!
    Posted 14 months ago by Joojoo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have been harvesting lately, and noticed piggies and butterflies being sucked into a flash of light!  I think they are either being abducted by aliens, or deimagined. It makes me very sad.
    Posted 14 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's terrible that all those piggies are disappearing. I can assure you, they are not in my garden. Don't look there. I SAID DON'T LOOK THERE!
    Posted 14 months ago by Billy McBinky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh my Innie - that would scare the XP out of me! I wonder who or what is making that happen!
    Posted 14 months ago by Kookaburra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kookaburra, I honestly dont know.  I said something in GC each time I witnessed it.
    Posted 14 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks for the resources and support everyone. I looked for a similar thread before starting this one. I joined AKA and I guess I'll be going for that hash-slinger badge too, since I complained about it!
    Posted 14 months ago by Niqster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • 20 minutes... and then the piggies I hatched then released on Stoppan Winnow in Alakol were gone.   Someone pignapped Pig Vicious and Nancy.  I hope you didn't end up hog tied on the Vendors list.  That's just wrong.  And Pig Vicious was so happy about his freedom when I let him go.  He said so.

    I would like for Staff to answer if piggies auto spawn or rely on players to create them.. or both.  I like seeing piggies on the streets and if pignapping means that they will be gone then I want to do something about it.   Yea, I'm an AKA glitch now too.   
     
    Posted 14 months ago by Ooola Subscriber! | Permalink
  • there is no way for a player not reading the forums to easily know that pigs don't respawn. Given that they are worth ~50 favor when donated I doubt the disappearing pig problem will end any time soon
    Posted 14 months ago by Hydi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There are many of us that think it is sick and perverted to pet & nibble pigs in public. We at the Ur Piggie Protectorate believe such acts are better left behind closed doors. If you feel the same way about protecting others from these depraved acts of public molestation, please join us: http://www.glitch.com/groups/RHVSA9ECCBE2HRG/
    ~UPP!
    Posted 14 months ago by Mr. Touch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Although I do believe it when other players post that pigs don't respawn on their own, I have seen one post and one incident on my own that contradicts this.

    I was confused when I read a post the other day stating that a player saw a pig appear on the street that they were on with no other players present.  Two days later, I saw the same thing.  I was alone on a street and all of a sudden out of thin air a pig appeared.  I thought maybe it was in a tree and fell back to the ground, but I'm not sure if that can happen.  Also, it didn't appear to fall, it appeared to spawn.

    I've only seen it once and I've only heard one other person post about seeing it.  Maybe it was a bug?  I'm not sure, I haven't checked the forum to see if this has been reported.

    Has anyone else ever seen this?
    Posted 14 months ago by Poppy of Detwoit Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't really know what the solution to this is, other than giving adult pigs Donation and Vendor values of 0 and restricting them from auctions. Clearly the limits in place don't seem to be having much of an effect, and this is a problem that could negatively affect the game significantly. Pig breeders who populate the streets do so at their own expense to enrich the game world, not to line the pockets of greedy individuals; if the products of their labor are regularly misappropriated, they'll likely just stop putting pigs in the streets altogether.

    The long-term outlook is that pigs will be limited solely to backyards, where they can't be stolen. Once butterfly nets are enabled in the game, we may see the same thing happen to butterflies, too. The whole situation is just unfortunate.
    Posted 14 months ago by Eleni Ivanova Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I believe if a player sets their piggy free then they show up on streets. 
    Posted 14 months ago by snarkle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As far as I know, the pigs that were put there by TS do reappear, the ones that other players put don't.
    Posted 14 months ago by Electric Wizard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I read a lot of things on Forum, some are contradictory or sometimes just wrong. 
    So, by Humbaba, that's why I ask if Staff will clarify on piggie generation.  
     
    Posted 14 months ago by Ooola Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree with Eleni on this. I have the skills both to season eggs and hatch/grow baby animals but I haven't gone for the Piggy Hash Slinger because of all the stuff I've seen about pig-napping on the forums. I love the idea of putting new piggies on the street for the benefit of all to harvest meat. I hate the idea of putting new piggies on the street so one individual can snap them up to sell/donate for their personal benefit. After all, it's not like we couldn't just make them and sell/donate for our own benefit if we chose...

    On the other hand, presumably we'd be inundated with piggies if this wasn't the case? Or do they eventually die anyway, like butterflies (and I presume chickens or we'd be overrun with those too?)?

    I suppose the closest thing to a happy medium is to pick one street and keep repopulating it in the hope that the 42 day no re-napping rule kicks in on the nappers?!
    Posted 14 months ago by geekybird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Just thought I'd point out that it's 42 game days, which works out to 7 real days.  That's not terribly too long, considering there are so many streets in the game already.  I mean, a serial pignapper is hardly affected at all by this restriction.
    Posted 14 months ago by Joojoo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I was given a couple of pigs as a gift when I moved into my house. The other three came from the street. My thanks to those who hatched them. They are happy and well fed.

    Now, with that said, what makes everyone think that the missing pigs are being donated or sold? Look through the houses that are out there and you'll see that a lot of houses have multiple pigs. A lot of those pigs were not hatched by their keepers. If your skills don't let you season and hatch eggs, you're either buying from the auction (which is full of hot pigs) or you've got to go get one yourself. Someday I'll pay it back and make some pigs, but don't be hating on me now.
    Posted 14 months ago by Billy McBinky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, for starters there are 17 hog tied piggies on auction right now.
    Posted 14 months ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Most of those pigs on auction are probably hot. I know that's what I did with the pigs I captured back when I did the quest (not knowing that they don't respawn). If only there were a way to ensure I was purchasing from a reputable hog raser!
    Posted 14 months ago by Billy McBinky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Billy McBinky -- Buy piggy eggs instead. :) Or piglets!

    What I'm wondering is should we "rescue" the hogtied piggies out of the auction house by buying them and setting them free? Or would it be better if we just refused to patronize such behavior?
    Posted 14 months ago by Arii Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Arii, I can't incubate eggs, so no use to me. And I didn't know about piglets when I started. It's not longer an issue, as my wife has zoomed past me in the levels and can hatch anything I need. :)

    Just pointing out here that a good number of those "missing" pigs are going to help a little glitch in a tree house get started in the world, keeping him or her fed.
    Posted 14 months ago by Billy McBinky Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "On some streets it seems a new pig will spawn if one is captured.  Pretty sure I've seen this in Groddle Meadow.  What governs whether new pigs spawn or not?"

    Just clarifying that piggies respawn ONLY IF THEY CAME FREE WITH THE STREET. If you take a pig that another player has released, it will not come back!
    Posted 14 months ago by Saro Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I would like to hear the reality on this too. The thought above (by Poppy and others) that the magically appearing piggy is one "set free" by its owner would explain the rarity of this observation.

    I still have great doubts that piggies respawn, but I have been wrong many a time before. Why are you so sure they respawn Saro?

    And as a piggy releaser, I have no problem if someone takes them home and raises them properly or delivers them to a piggy-deprived street. I do hate it when they go right into the auctions or the shrine. It is within the game play, but i still hate to see the little cuties used merely for personal profit. Pigs left on the street provide meat to everyone - far in excess of the value of a shrine contribution or hog-tied auction.
    Posted 14 months ago by Kookaburra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Spent all weekend getting the hatching badges, carefully placing pigs on public streets only to come back, sometimes no more than ten minutes later, to find them all gone. A lot of time, energy, and resources go into those eggs. 

    With the cooldown I can't imagine how they're disappearing faster than we can hatch them, it's crazy! Surely there are enough of us with the skills to keep hatching!
    Posted 14 months ago by Garney Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Billy: Seems like the most coherent objection is to the gaming dynamic that it's so lucrative to hog-tie piggies and sell them.  (EDIT: or donate em I suppose, though you didn't say anything about that.).  That is subtly but significantly different to just the ability to hog-tie piggies.

    A piggy to hug on a day that is sunny
    is darling and lovely and oinky and funny
    and happy and healthy and slippery like honey
    when hog-tied for selling for large wads of money.
    Posted 14 months ago by Lara Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Billy McBinky the piglets are cheaper and equally good for new players.

    I refuse to put piggies in public streets until Tiny Speck addresses the balance problem.  Why should I spend resources to make a piggy that someone can capture the moment I release it and donate/resell at over 375c profit?
    Posted 14 months ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm absolutely positive that piggies respawn, at least in Groddle Meadows/Forest.

    When i did my captures, i was careful to avoid any named piggies (since those CAN be placed there by other people, and be non-respawning), and only taken unnamed ones. Each time within a minute when i was walking along same street, and sometimes while i was still there, new unnamed piggy appeared.
    Posted 14 months ago by Shalcker Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Billy, I lol'd at the phrase "hot pig" :)

    @Shalcker, any new pig starts out unnamed. You can name a pig if you want to, but it's not required. So those unnamed pigs you saw on the street could very well have been released there by other players.
    Posted 14 months ago by Joojoo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Joojoo: Yep, but unnamed ones are much safer. And respawns were pretty noticeable. You capture pig, and then there is another pig nearby which can be petted and nibbled again. For a few streets in a row - i think i did about 10 checking it (some didn't have unnamed ones so i skipped them), and they respawned every time.
    Posted 14 months ago by Shalcker Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I hatched my own house-piggies or raised them from store-bought piglets. Each and every single one, except the first who came when I bought my house. I also did the hogtie quest by catching my house piggies (no cooldown for house piggies after all).

    We need piggies on the streets for people with no houses and for newbies who can't yet raise their own house piggies. Besides, they keep the world so animated.

    That being said... where have all the piggies gone? Heeere piggy, piggy, piggy...
    Posted 14 months ago by Zurin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I can't believe that you can donate/sell piggies for loads of profit.

    I was planning to start helping with the piggy repopulation drive, but I'm not so sure that's going to happen now.

    "Why should I spend resources to make a piggy that someone can capture the moment I release it and donate/resell at over 375c profit?"

    Word.
    Posted 14 months ago by Not A Brontosaurus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I read this thread, and shortly after realized that I had the Hogtie Some Hoggies quest still active.

    Loathe to take pigs from underpopulated areas, but not yet able to hatch my own pigs, I bought 3 piglets at auction, and fed and released them into the areas that I took the three pigs for the quest from. Piggy Equilibrium! (although, I have to say I do feel odd wandering around with piglets in my pockets).
    Posted 14 months ago by welfy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Why should I spend resources to make a piggy that someone can capture the moment I release it and donate/resell at over 375c profit?"

    Because it feels right to put piggies into the world for everyone to nibble =D
    Posted 14 months ago by Garney Subscriber! | Permalink
  • " Because it feels right to put piggies into the world for everyone to nibble =D"

    Except they're not nibbling (which is what I would want!). They're taking them and dumping them into shrines or selling them at NPC vendors... That doesn't benefit the community, it benefits only the one person who decided to go and do that.

    I don't even mind so much if they pignap them and put them in a private home, because there's only so many times they can do that and also they still have to give the piggy love. But dumping it into a shrine or the black hole of a vendor... I wouldn't put any piggy through that!
    Posted 14 months ago by Not A Brontosaurus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Then that's on them if they do that instead of nibbling. I'd rather add more piggies as I can. I have the skill and the resources, what else am I going to use that pile of eggs for?

    Does it get disheartening? Oh yes, I've said that several times. But when I grow up a piggie where there wasn't one and a group of players comes around me nibbling, I feel better about it.
    Posted 14 months ago by Garney Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have seen multiple times now that a person grabs the pigs as soon as it turns midnight and throws them in the shrine.  A couple of times they have been rude enough to grab the pig I am petting!  I realize there is some insanity to being attached to my virtual pigs, but I can't continue to spend time making them if they are going to be mercilessly sacrificed so quickly.
    Posted 14 months ago by Arufa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have been observing and have come to the conclusion that if you donate a piggy to a shrine, that piggy will respawn somewhere on the street.  I donate a LOT of piggies, and have been checking the streets when I donate each one, and it appears to happen every time. 
    Posted 14 months ago by Kaessa Subscriber! | Permalink
  • disclaimer:  No real piggies were hurt in the catching and subsequent donating of said piggies.

    I bait, capture, and sacrifice,er... I mean donate, piggies to the Giants.  It is my way of showing respect to Those that imagined me into existence.
    Posted 14 months ago by Stormy Weather Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If you dont like the rules then complain to the game designers. If you release a pig on the street chances are it will be taken...I dont like the over abundance of pigs being taken but as long as the rules say it can happen then it doesnt matter who brought the pig to the area..If its in a public area it isnt owned by you and free to grab...
    So start letting the designers know you dont like it! Encorage your friends to also complain! Encorage others to NEVER buy a hog tied pig from the auctions. (Not much can be done about the donated ones) but if there is less of a market for them then they should be able to come back to a better population..And if your first complaint doesnt help..Keep at it..At some point I think they will see the fact that Pigs shouldnt be donatable or sellable in any way...And maybe have a limit on the number of pigs one can have per area?? Just dont over populate the streets. From what ive read 26 or more Pigs in any area will be unhappy and quickly die...Also chickens and butterflies seem to keep the pigs happy...Not to mention to many animals in one area can slow a computer down and make playing the game dificult if the animals get in the way (And I know this is so as I have been to one street that had an ENOURMOUS amount of Pigs...You couldnt do anything cause of it...
    Posted 14 months ago by Me, Myself and I Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I found a large population of piggies stranded on a floating island near (but not in) Groddle forest.  They are not visible from the ground and can't get down.  I don't know what they're eating but I got a heck of a lot of meat on my visit.  There were other visitors, but I have no way of knowing if they are the pignappers or not.   Where's Batman when you need him?
    Posted 14 months ago by WalruZ Subscriber! | Permalink
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