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#### Well that was.. weird.. ~O.o~ Is it just me or is this kind of a social faux pas?

Ok so.. this user was in Global asking for emblems, I told them I might have some.. I ran home and checked and sure enough I had 2. So I stepped outside to do the trade with them and they asked for a lower price than what I had told them I was selling them for. By 1,000c. So I was like ok fine whatever, I like being nice and helping people. <smiles> So I sold them the emblems for 2k total less than I was going to and went to go back inside my house and they asked, Do you have anything more to sell?
So I was like ??? um... and looked in my bags really quick for anything I could sell them. Found a music bloc that I was going to sell to the tool vendor. So I was like "Uh I have a music block (??)" and they said "OK how much?" and I quoted them the price, it was how much I get for them at the tool vendor. And they proceeded to tell me that's way too expensive and nobody will buy them for that much and they can get them on auction for way cheaper. I was like dude I wasn't even going to sell it to you originally, I was just going to the vendor. And I left and went into my house but then I felt bad, like should I not have even offered it to them since they could get it cheaper elsewhere? And why are they buying up all this stuff for cheap anyways?
The whole thing just left a bad taste in my mouth and usually I love trading but I have to ask was I wrong? Should I have just said "No I don't have anything else" and left it at that? I thought I would be nice and offer at least. :s

Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink

### Replies

- No, your stuff. You are not obliged to sell anything. If you owed em something maybe it would have worked out depending on the situation.
  And on top of that, you didn't say it with a bad attitude.
  Posted 11 months ago by Rook | Permalink
- Look that person is mean not you, you were being a nice person. And for them to be like that means you don't need to speech to them anymore
  Posted 11 months ago by zoey10189st | Permalink
- Thanks guys. -_-
  Sometimes I'm really socially .. challenged.. and am not quite sure how to react.. this was just a really strange situation to me. I wasn't sure if I did something wrong or not.
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- That person was being incredibly rude. If they didn't like the prices they should have said no thank you and gone elsewhere or made another offer to see if you would sell for lower. Making you feel bad for setting a price is just rude, especially if that is what you were going to get at the tool vendor. I think you handled it well, some people just like to take advantage of kind people.
  Keep being your wonderful self, thankfully the weirdos are usually few and far between.
  Posted 11 months ago by SkyWaitress | Permalink
- Thanks SkyWaitress <3 Your post makes me smile.
  <smiles>
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- Down the coast a little there is a recreation area called faux park, i always have a little chuckle when i see the sign.
  Posted 11 months ago by OL. Der Dan | Permalink
- Ok so they needed a deep deep discount? Id tell them to kiss my ass. Its one thing to help someone - by sharing information or pointing things out. It is something else entirely to take a loss or just get plain shafted by them because they are stupid. So dont fall for it.
  Posted 11 months ago by ☣ elf ☣ | Permalink
- Miso, No! You were definitely not wrong.. I think someone was just.. well.. trying to scam you. Most likely because you are so nice and they noticed that and tried to use it to take advantage.
  Posted 11 months ago by Joni Mitchell | Permalink
- I agree! You did nothing wrong and were certainly very generous with the emblems. You have no obligation to sell anything. When you sell to a vendor you are selling at a loss. If they can find something on auction that is offered for less than a vendor offers why would they even ask you to sell it? They were indeed rude and trying to to take advantage of your kindness. It could be that they were confused about the price of the music block. If they are fairly new to the game they may not realize that blocks have several different values and that no vendor pays the full value. I have never been offered the full value for anything from a vendor that I can recall. BTW, I also sell to vendors. I rarely buy anything at Auction.
  Posted 11 months ago by Brib Annie | Permalink
- Miso, you handled it with much better manners than I would. It's ok to ASK nicely if a lower price would be acceptable, but to be such a scrooge as to complain that you can get it cheaper elsewhere like that- NOT COOL.... if it is so much cheaper elsewhere, go there.
  <rant>
  I work in hospitality and occasionally my cafe gets customers like that.... and it fustrates me so much. Prices are up front, there isn't a hidden charge. If you don't like the prices because so and so is cheaper- GO THERE.... we don't want your bad attitude ruining the day of the rest of our nice customers.
  </rant>
  Posted 11 months ago by SlimeNose the Erst | Permalink
- I would be a bit grumpy if i came across someone sort of demanding that i "help" them out...
  Had something similar happen a little while ago and must admit i told ended up blocking them...
  Posted 11 months ago by Arietty | Permalink
- Next time tell cheap-o to go squeeze a chicken!
  That way they can get a musicblock for free, and then they can take all the unwanted blocks they get and donate them to shrines which in turn will eventually give cheap-o what he was looking for...a free enblem! (of course this all entails a little work/time/energy which cheap-o is probably allergic to...)
  Posted 11 months ago by Sir Mixalatte | Permalink
- oh cant wait for the scammers horde
  I suppose they are just landing on Glitch
  My answer surely would be "Madame La Misère" Leo Ferré
  Posted 11 months ago by babi | Permalink
- Why is it that YOU have to help THEM out? Tell them "gee, sorry guys but I need the currants. How about helping me out here?" -- see just how helpful THEY are.
  Posted 11 months ago by WalruZ | Permalink
- Wow thanks everyone. :`)
  It is so nice to see so many friendly faces here by the way. Sir Mixalette! WalruZ! Even ronin elf. :3
  All the responses here make me feel much better. Though, it makes me sad that someone would want to take advantage of me because I'm nice. It wouldn't be the first time that's happened. X(
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- Miso- I had that happen once near the Ancestral Lands: some Glitch bouncing around begging me for currants to buy a house. I gave him 2K, he didn't say thanks and then started jumping around and asking for more. As someone so eloquently said, "...fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — You can't get fooled again."
  Posted 11 months ago by Sloppy Ketchup | Permalink
- I agree with everyone else on here, you did nothing wrong! I have noticed an increase in people begging for money lately. I wouldn't dream of doing that!! I normally ask them what they want it for and they just turn their backs and start approaching other glitches!
  Posted 11 months ago by Charliesmom | Permalink
- Oh Miso, I'm with everyone else in here. You were completely right to be upset. That person was a jerk and lazy. I've ended up blocking people for doing the same. I gave 'em a cubimal and they asked what else I had to give them. I calmly replied "That's my only spare." The next three times I logged in they immediately im-ed me asking for more free cubimals... as in, the message was up before the game finished loading. I blocked em so I wouldn't have to deal with it anymore.
  Posted 11 months ago by Avery♥ | Permalink
- Well can i have my free cubimal or not?
  Posted 11 months ago by ☣ elf ☣ | Permalink
- Oh Miso, I think those who say someone was trying to take advantage of you are right. Anyone who reads the forums knows how generous you are in giving stuff away. But it your choice as to the when and who of what you give away.
  But you did remind me of something that happened to me.
  A Glitch stopped me and asked about party packs - how you got one, how they worked and the like. She then asked if I had one, and in fact, as I did, I said so. Immediately she friended me and told me to have a party (not asked). I said I was harvesting or on my way or something. She said that as we were friends, I had to have a party for her. I replied that she was not my friend and that I was not having a party. I did not check if she unfriended me or not. Some people are not very Glitchy.
  Posted 11 months ago by Kookaburra | Permalink
- I think maybe a new wardrobe item is called for - a shirt with "Welcome" printed on the back.
  Posted 11 months ago by Jewel Stoned | Permalink
- I had the opposite happen (weeks ago)...someone advertised an item for X currants and when I met up with them, the price had magically gone up to X (+ 50% more) currants. I sighed and got them back down to a price closer to the agreed price (X plus about 10% more), but it was annoying. I agreed to pay X, you agreed that was fair, then you upped the price. Not cool.
  In your case, you named a price, they agreed, that should have been the end of it. You were not wrong. You also had no obligation to sell them anything else at a deep discount.
  Have also noticed an increase in the amount of straight-up begging going on. I don't get it. It is not difficult to earn money in this game. Laziness / begging does not inspire generosity from me. I give plenty of things away (mostly to newbies) or drop / hide them / stick them in the inventories of the AFKers I run across in Ur for fun, but nagging me, especially more than once, for stuff is just impolite. (Because I give lots of stuff away as it is, I may not even HAVE anything to give away left in my inventory if you bother me via IM or in-game for presents! That includes cash, though I am trying to do better about not spending every currant I have.) There have been--in the past month or so--about a half dozen "I have never seen you before" begz0rz who spammed Global Chat asking repeatedly for stuff and who I eventually blocked.
  Posted 11 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ | Permalink
- IMO bargaining over price is OK, but everyone has a right to say no to a deal they don't like.
  Straight begging is not OK and should always be resisted.
  Posted 11 months ago by Tiresias | Permalink
- Bargaining once you have agreed to a price is not OK. The seller may have turned down other offers knowing you were waiting. She may have waited around for you, teleported to you or otherwise inconvenienced herself. It is OK to bargain in advance ("I will be there in 2 minutes if you will sell them to me for X minus 10%" is OK). Waiting until the deal is struck is not ("I know I said I would pay X but now that you teleported here and I am thinking about it, I only want to pay X minus 10%" is not OK).
  Posted 11 months ago by Kookaburra | Permalink
- You know who else changes conditions after an agreement is made? That's right, Darth Vader...
  Miso, you and Lando were definately taken for a ride.
  Han splanked first!
  Posted 11 months ago by MrVolare | Permalink
- I'm with *Lorelei* -- giving is fun. Being panhandled is not.
  Also, there is no "should" in Glitch. The TOS, Guidelines and game client do not require folks to honor their verbal agreements. I see this is a good thing -- acting honorably requires folks to act that way intentionally of their own will, not because of some external force requiring them to.
  FWIW, if someone tries to renegotiate, I generally just kill the deal. I might throw in a stack of meat or somesuch one way or the other. Of course, with AK7 a stack of meat costs me 30 energy max -- I find "greedy" players balk / say "meh", since they'd have to do real work to turn it into currants, whereas "desperate" players trying to accomplish things will value the raw goods.
  Anyway, sorry you hard to run into a dishonorable (as I see it) player Miso.
  Posted 11 months ago by Sturminator 5 | Permalink
- Some people enjoy dickering and making deals more than acquiring the actual resource they are bargaining over. It's just that simple. Their way of playing is not inherently less 'good' than anybody else's way of playing. When they let it roll over into bullying another player, that other player should just cut them off. That's your right and responsibility to yourself; don't let yourself be bullied. There will always obviously be a class of wheeler-dealer types in any game. Give them their space, which might even mean just blocking them sometimes. In-game, you can only become a victim if you let yourself.
  Posted 11 months ago by Kalstept | Permalink
- I think you were nice enough giving them the icons for 1k less than originally offered, honestly. So I think you're quite fine. No worries!
  Posted 11 months ago by Saiai | Permalink
- Thanks for still trusting the rest of us to still trade with you, miso. This is why I slipped in an extra gift in the trade we had. I'll never be on any leader boards in this game but I do try to give a generous deal to anyone who plays nice. After a short while you get to know who these people are. I'm also likely to be hiding stuff all over Ur, usually while most players are asleep.
  Posted 11 months ago by jiva | Permalink
- Aw thanks everyone. Kookaburra that's really shocking that happened. ~O.o~ :: hugs :: Whoever that was needs to be kicked in the shins and taught some manners.
  Lorelai.. maybe they forgot the price they quoted you? >_> *just trying to find people's inner kindness* Then again that wouldn't explain why they'd try hard to get you to pay the higher price. Sometimes I've forgotten a price I've quoted or been told I owe but I always ask, before the trade, "It's x amount of currants right?" And I check the forums and stuff too but I always double check with the person first and see. I can't imagine quoting someone a price and then *purposely* raising the price. ~O.o~ That seems unfathomable to me that someone would do something that seems so fundamentally unethical. -_-
  And of course jiva. Thank you, too, it was nice trading with you. <3
  In general, I love trading, not just because of the extras some people throw in (rare - jiva, again, thanks <3) but because I just like the form of interaction.. I enjoy providing goods for others that can be appreciated or at least used by others. That's why I sell on auction a lot too, not to earn currants (when I want to earn currants I just go to the tool vendor - for now at least, God forbid the devs really eliminate the vendor -_- ) but because I just enjoy trading and crafting stuff for others. I don't like haggling when it's done meanly but if someone asks nicely for a lower price or offers a trade of items instead of currants I will almost always accept. Because I just like trading for the sake of trading. Sometimes I auction items and then buy the same item back from others too because I'm weird like that. So that's why I was willing to take a lower price on the emblems even though the person did it the way they did because I figure hey if I can help a person that's a good thing. But then the rest of the interaction followed and yeah.. made me upset. I'm glad (most) people here don't think I was in the wrong for not asking for a lower price from them or something. I don't even know what the something would be.
  OK gonna stop rambly now. <3
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- Sounds like a real dick. Don't worry about it.
  Posted 11 months ago by Fitzibitzin | Permalink
- The same person (confirmed with Miso) gave me a similarly weird time today. Name has been censored to protect the guilty:
  (He or she solicited global for anyone selling various things, including planks. I said I had a bunch of planks. I received the following IM...)
  Crazystupid how many?
  You hmm i'd have to check. I think something like 5 stacks
  Crazystupid so 1250 planks?
  Crazystupid i will give you 1000 currants
  You heh
  You check the auction house prices
  You i can give you a deal of 1500 per stack
  Crazystupid no thanks
  You k, good luck finding a noob to give it to you for practically free
  Crazystupid hey i made you an offer
  Crazystupid no need to be mean
  You it was a silly offer
  You i'm not being mean, believe me
  Crazystupid why would i buy from you when i can buy cheaper from auction?
  You you... can't
  You that's my point
  You you offered me way less than i'd get selling to a vendor
  Crazystupid thanks for IM me
  Crazystupid have a nice day
  You a stack of 250 is going for 1750 on the auction house right now, and there's only one of those. the others are going for 2000. I offered you a price of 1500. I'd say that's more than fair
  You If I sold 5 stacks to a tool vendor, I'd get 5000c. You offered me 1000c. You see how that's silly, right?
  Crazystupid no, my chickens are ripe
  You what does that have to do with it?
  You or even mean?
  Crazystupid barnacles are yellow
  You okay, so you're a troll. I get it. adorable.
  Crazystupid really? i have been trying to ditch you for the last 5 minutes
  Crazystupid give it up
  You you have a reputation it seems. lots of people telling me hilarious stories.
  You have fun!
  And then I blocked him. Either he really is a troll, or he thinks he can find the occasional new player to cheat out of their items so he can resell them, and when he encounters someone it doesn't work with, he tries to get away as fast as he can. Either way, if you send me a private message, I'll give you his name so you can avoid him. But I won't call him out publicly like this.
  Posted 11 months ago by ༺Lhyzz༻ | Permalink
- I assume "Crazystupid" is a placeholder name? Otherwise, you kind of did call him/her out... :D
  Posted 11 months ago by Pascale | Permalink
- It's a placeholder XD :: giggles wildly ::
  Thanks for posting this Lhyzz. I really hope he's not being successful scamming others. I checked the auctions and it doesn't *look* like he's reselling... but I assume he's vendoring everything that he gets. Otherwise why would he do this?? =/
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- Seems like someone took the same night class as the rube ;-).
  As for the chat, I think "Have a nice day" here means "ok, we're done talking". So I would say the weird comments are probably not trolling but trying to put an end to the lecture.
  Posted 11 months ago by Vic Fontaine | Permalink
- Yeah, I understood that's what he meant, but in my book you don't get to just suggest something ludicrous, call me mean, and then walk away without some sense being kicked into you. ;)
  Posted 11 months ago by ༺Lhyzz༻ | Permalink
- Way to go, Lhyzz.
  Fwiw I'm glad you handled it the way you did, the kid (which I assume he is from the interactions we've had with him) needs to be told that what he's doing is not right and stop because it ruins others' experience of Glitch. Especially if he's scamming new users and making a habit of sneakily theiving on others' kindnesses and stuff. I mean for instance what if you hadn't known how much planks went for?? Even I had no idea they were going for that much, I thought maybe 2-5c. -_- Anyways. Good call is what I mean. And I Hope you will continue to be truthful and call out others when they need it. ^_~
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- I didn't know off the top of my head, I quickly opened a new tab and checked the auctions. :)
  Posted 11 months ago by ༺Lhyzz༻ | Permalink
- It's okay to try to renegotiate, but not exactly friendly. When people start doing that I'd immediately drop out of being nice mode and into business mode, because it's clear that's what they're doing. Assume they're buying stuff cheap because they can, possibly to make money, possibly just for the thrill of victory. By going along with the lowball offer on the emblems you kind of opened yourself up to a lowball on the other item. At that point if he's a shark, you look like prey. Stated less judgementally, if he's a discount shopper, you may be his Walmart.
  The social cue you missed was that this is not a being nice situation. That doesn't mean be a jerk, it means decide what you want and stand up for yourself and be polite but businesslike. Hold them to the same standard, but don't trust them. If it's clear you're not going to reach agreement, just end the conversation as politely as possible and walk away.
  Posted 11 months ago by Zauberberg | Permalink
- Wow. You were really nice to let them have the lower price:)
  A story in the same vein-
  I was in Chakra Phool when someone (moderately new, level 11 I think) walks up and announces that they're about to die an need food. I ponder, then suggest that they go nibble a pig or something like that. No answer. Do I try random kindness- chat log tells me that my RK gave the person 20 MOOD. They didn't need energy, and we're close to max mood. I called them off for lying, which of course they didn't respond to, instead asking me if I lived in Chakra Phool. I said no. They said they never would. Why? Because its creepy. Then they interrogated me as to what I was doing down there anyway(fireflies). What if I had lived there? Or if someone on the street had? I just can't get over that they LIED so they wouldn't have to work. Grr.
  Posted 11 months ago by Fernstream | Permalink
- ya, Miso, you were more than kind to lower your price by 2k... that glitch is a lecherous guano-fowled puttock.
  Zauberberg nailed it.. it's a "not a nice being situation". Time for the Pulp Fiction Face. The Kill Bill stare. Ready the vorpal sword of no.
  (laughing yet? hope so... keep being nice you)
  Posted 11 months ago by Ooola | Permalink
- Fernstream I had no idea that RK gave energy if you needed it and mood if you didn't.. this is going to be an interesting development for me. ~O.o~ haha...
  In fact someone was RK'ing me when I was stuck being all laggy in the mines and I couldn't thank them, frozen, but I was gaining energy and not dying and it was super kind of them. Randomly. You could even say it was an instance of.. random kindness. >_>
  er anyways... *cough*
  OOOOLA! ( I never remember how many O's are in your name. ) <3 :: huggles :: You *did* make me giggle. Lecherous guano-fowled.. . you had me in fits of giggles. XD
  now if y'all will excuse me... I'm going to go supervise a bit of Dark Hide And Seek before bedtime......
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- I read somewhere else (and couldn't find it again of course) that RK gives energy the first 10x, then alternates between energy and mood from then on. not sure if that's right though, I really should pay more attn with my RK action...
  Posted 11 months ago by Arietty | Permalink
- Oo Arietty thanks for the tip. Would that be like, counting *any* you've Bestowed or, the first 10 of 1 particular RK? Like if I use up 10x of all of my RKs and then use them from that point on will it be random?? ~O.o~
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink
- Miso's situation was unpleasant and clearly s/he is not the only one to have contact with this type of player. The fact that players like this are probably scamming newbies.. presents a very unpleasant scenario and it leaves me feeling really down. This is so totally in juxtaposition to the idea of befriending and helping new players. Do newbies just have to "learn the hard way" because of their innocence/ignorance? Most will not be looking in the forums for guidance before they get "taken". So sad :(
  Posted 11 months ago by Joni Mitchell | Permalink
- Yeah Princess Fi. :`(
  Posted 11 months ago by ♪♥~ Auren ~♥♪ | Permalink