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Back Alley Solutions?

I have a common problem, well known by anyone attempting to scale the traveller leaderboards. 
The Back Alley quest doesn't trigger if you don't enter the subways before getting your papers, but most players from the beta didn't bother, because they knew they had to get them first, therefore losing the quest. 
Unfortunately, although someone pretty much officially said that the Alley didn't count, we have by now enough proof that it does. Someone reported it as a bug the other day, and was told it isn't a bug. But IT IS. 
There are leaderboards, therefore the game must allow players to compete equally for the higher levels. Allowing the papers to be obtained before doing the quest, if the quest is needed for the leaderboards, is a flaw. 

I have no experience in programming, so I'm sorry if I'm asking for something difficult for you to solve, but there must be a way around this. 
You could remove the validity of the Alley, and remove also the location count from those who already have it.
You could assign the location to all of those who have papers but not done the quest. 
You could make the quest appear for those who already have papers, and on visiting have a 'sorry, I was just checking that they were up to date' kind of conversation with the lizard. 

Any Glitches with other ideas?

Posted 13 months ago by Zira Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I have to second Zira's comments. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Back Alley street is the only one in the Leaderboard count that must visited in a certain order (subway before Card Carrying Qualification) to get sent there. I didn't even know till just now that that is the way to get sent there!

    Sure, some Beta players, like me, went directly to get their card before visiting the subway. But newer players could easily fall into the same trap as they begin their exploration of Ur and stumble into a Hall before a subway station.

    Oldie or newbie, we are locked out of the leaderboard climb to the top forevermore, unless one of Zira's suggestions could be implemented. Thank you for your consideration.
    Posted 13 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you for posting this Zira. I'm one of those stuck in joint 3rd place of the Top Travellers Leaderboard at 773, I've been everywhere I know, double and triple checked. The only place I didn't get to go was the Back Alley and of course we can't currently go there once we have our papers.

    It's absurd that we can miss out on a quest because we unknowingly didn't go to a certain place ie: the Subway before venturing into the Bureaucratic Hall, and therefore miss out on entering a location. 

    *note to my Rock, 'Why didn't you alert me to this quest?'

    Stoot made note here: http://www.glitch.com/forum/general/9716/  that "(Bonus: For a limited time, use of Party Packs does not require a Party Permit from the Bureaucratic Hall ;)

     Maybe then we could be 'accosted by a bureaucrat' and finally visit the Back Alley??  Please :)
    Posted 13 months ago by Teena Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Teena, I didn't think of that, it's a really great suggestion!
    Posted 13 months ago by Zira Subscriber! | Permalink
  • bump, before it get lost on page 2
    Posted 13 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think the back alley counts towards the visited locations?
    Posted 13 months ago by CosmicBitFlip Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The mega list at http://dl-web.dropbox.com/u/30677390/glitch/location_list.html has The Back Alley as one of the "confirmed" locations that counts. However, I don't remember ever seeing this street, not even in beta testing. 

    Does anyone have a screenshot of The Back Alley? I'm a visual person, so actually seeing what the area looks like may help trigger my memory.

    And if we don't get a way to visit that bypassed street, are we going to be forever doomed to be one street off? 
    Posted 13 months ago by Tonya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACaT6wIE_sk
    This is a fan made list though, so who knows.  
    Posted 13 months ago by CosmicBitFlip Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I would like to see this solved, as I'm one of many players unable to reach the max number of visited places because of The Back Alley thing. (I'm also missing three party spaces -- working on that.)
    Any of Zira's solutions would do.
    Posted 13 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've visited all 774 locations. Ignoring the 2 mystery glitchy ones that first place player has, that's all of them.
    I did not get back alley quest.
    So it didn't count as a location for the leaderboards. It is not a bug. 
    Posted 13 months ago by Ebil Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ebil, but you could have had a glitchy location too that helped you get 774 because then with The Back Alley your score would have been 775. One of the residential areas you've visited could have counted.

    There are overwhelming evidence from numerous player reports that draws the conclusion that The Back Alley does count. Otherwise, an alternative explanation would mean some other street was a glitch, which then would mean no matter how you qualify it, there is a bug somewhere. Not to mention a bug with HarleyQuin's score.

    The Back Alley also gave me XP for visiting, and so far every location that has given XP upon first visit have counted. This includes Naraka places that gave 0 XP (zero only because your mood is at 0 in Hell, but it still qualified as a counting location).
    Posted 13 months ago by TomC Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm very disappointed that I'm going to be unable to visit the back alley because I got the papers first.

    There is certainly some kind of bug in the travelers leaderboard, because only 1 player has 2 locations that the other don't, so all the numbers could be wrong.
    Posted 13 months ago by Natalia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Natalia, yes HarleyQuin's score is a bug, but otherwise this list has all the locations that make up the 774 max score: dl-web.dropbox.com/u/306773...
    Posted 13 months ago by TomC Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whereas I am in no way the completist some of the folks above me are, I was disappointed to learn I would never be able to visit The Back Alley because, yes, I ran into a Bureaucratic Hall long before I saw a subway.
    Posted 13 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Bump
    Posted 13 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This bit me too. :(
    Posted 13 months ago by Crag Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1. A friend I was showing around the game got it the other day when we went to take the subway (she was level 6 ). after searching the various subways for a while, I finally realized it was a once-only possibility. Frustrating if for no other reason than I want to experience it, but I guess also (as a result of having read this thread) it appears that it also penalizes me for having happened on the admin center before the subway.
    Posted 13 months ago by Woochi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1
    Posted 13 months ago by Lady Cailia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The leaderboard still has discrepancies, but this has been solved and I just wanted to tell you all how much I appreciate it|
    Thank you and Happy Holidays!!!
    Posted 12 months ago by Zira Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, thank you! Being able to get to the Back Alley made me sooooooo happy! *throws confetti* whoo hoo!
    Posted 12 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am missing 3 locations.  One of these may be the Back Alley.  If Lisa counts, that would be another.  I have been over the lists numerous times and cannot account for the 3 mystery places (unless 2 of them ore BA and Lisa).  I missed out on the Back Alley during the first Beta and missed it again after reset.  neither time did I know that i needed to go into the Subway before getting papers.  I may never figure out what i am missing as every list I look at seems to contain places I have been.  I have been to all the places on the new Locations list in the Encyclopedia.  I have been to all the locations on the player made list except BA and Lisa.  It may remain a mystery for me.
    Posted 12 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Brib Annie - I updated the list a few days ago with a section for the latest streets. You may be missing one of the new secret floor locations. Check the "Other" section to see if you are missing any of those. Both the Back Alley and Lisa's Nylon Phool both count for scores, but now you can visit the Back Alley again if you go on the quest for Fuelmaking. All the locations that count for scores are marked on the list as "Counts" (all 832) so what you are missing must be on the list (unless you happen to have a glitched residential street in which case your score could even be higher).

    The list: dl-web.dropbox.com/u/306773...

    Check the Other section first: dl-web.dropbox.com/u/306773...
    Posted 12 months ago by TomC Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks TomC!  I do have a ll 3 of the new "Rooms" as well as "Purple Voyage".  I am learning Fuelmaking now.  It is possible that i have somehow missed a Race but I don't think so.

    The Back Alley is the only place on the List that I know I have never been to.  i am still puzzled as to what else I am missing.  I have 830 locations, only the Top 2 have more.  Delicious' count is a real puzzler.
    Posted 12 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Back Alley will get you to 831, and then you are missing Lisa's Nylon Phool for 832 (which is max). But since no one can reach Lisa any more except for devs, your max score will be 831 at the moment.
    Posted 12 months ago by TomC Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yor are correct, Thanks! #2 on the list has 833 I think. The others have 831. It will take me a few days to learn fuel making. By then maybe we will have more new locations (I hope so!).
    Posted 12 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Seeing as I'm a lucky glitch, I have a bug that doesn't allow me to go on the Purple Voyage!
    I'm waiting for news about it before trying again but I can understand it's not a priority. There always seems to be something that keeps me at minus one from the others; must be bad karma^^
    ps staff: seeing as it's not in the 'known bugs' section, I'd love to know how it's evolving :))
    Posted 12 months ago by Zira Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I finished "Fuelmaking" and visited the Back Alley so I now have 831 Locations!
    Posted 12 months ago by Brib Annie Subscriber! | Permalink