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New Glitch Hack: Glitch Miner *An automated way to mine in glitch*

Now I know most of you wont like this and will say that this is ruining the game or whatever, but because I can do this I wanted to at least try it out and see how well it works.

The basic concept of my idea is to create a device that I can switch on and off when I am standing beside a rock to trigger my glitch to keep mining after he is done with one piece. This way when the glitch is finished a piece he will automatically try and mine the next one. This makes mining a rock super quick and efficient. 

Video of it in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_zGWLYgRs

Posted 15 months ago by vcazan Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I think that might go against this:

    http://beta.glitch.com/terms/
    Cheating and Hacks: You agree not to:
    engage in using macros, auto-looting or robot play or any other behavior that allows you (or any character you are controlling) to automatically function or effect any action in the game with or without your presence;
    Posted 15 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Woops...well technically im never not here. And you can just hold the enter button for the same effect. 

    P.S the only reason I did this is to be able to fund my cubimal addictions...:P
    Posted 15 months ago by vcazan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It may technically be against the terms, but it's still pretty cool. I want one wired up to a giant robot arm that pushes the Enter key on the keyboard repeatedly.

    (ETA: I just bought my first Arduino last week. Just trying to find the time to do stuff with it now...)
    Posted 15 months ago by dopiaza Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Congrats on your arduino, you'll have so much fun with it.

    You can do that very very easily with a servo motor attached to a keyboard. Then build the robot arm around the servo. 
    Posted 15 months ago by vcazan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • heh heh, it is very cool.

    I'm sure someone will let you know if you've been naughty. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Of course, this method is forbidden... But I'm feeling bored of always type "enter/enter" for mining an entire block...

    Could we have an option "mine entire rock" (e.g. avaliable with Mining II ?) ?
    Posted 15 months ago by Sekhmet Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think i saw the early testing of this, once the invintory was full, piles started showing on the ground. Just drop by at intervals and loot the bot.
    Posted 15 months ago by ICountFrom0 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • this is awesome, terms of service be damned.

    it isn't conferring much of an in game advantage anyway. tapping enter twice works just as fast. all this does is give you a little bit less RSI and more time to chat. it won't make anyone richer, quicker, or unbalance the game.

    it's just a cool way to be slightly lazier about mining by doing some technical work up front, and is awesome.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I think i saw the early testing of this, once the invintory was full, piles started showing on the ground. Just drop by at intervals and loot the bot."

    you must have just been noticing someone having inventory problems while mining. this is common. the "glitch miner" wouldn't result in that happening any more than manual mining.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • striatic wrote: all this does is give you a little bit less RSI and more time to chat

    Less RSI maybe, more time to chat.. unlikely. The auto-clicks/keys will get in the way.
    Posted 15 months ago by ping Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm so disappointed in this. It is a CHEAT pure and simple and I hope TS shuts it down post haste. That is not what this game is supposed to be about.

    and "this is awesome, terms of service be damned"

    Nice, really nice. I guess the TOS only apply when they're convenient.
    Posted 15 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't have an opinion either way about whether this feature is cheating or not, but I do have to say it's funny how lazy we all are!  Don't worry, I'm just as lazy.  Mining is the easiest way to make money in game and all we have to do is move to the rock and press enter repeatedly, but we all wants ways to make even that easier!

    Ahh, the joys of laziness.
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Omg histrionics already! 9_9

    Seriously, when i saw the title i thought, ah, a macro, finally someone made a mining bot (in software). This however is the coolest thing ever, truly a rube goldberg-inspired engineering effort! ;) i bet TS staff are laughing their asses off right now. Well done, good sir, well done!
    Posted 15 months ago by FlirtyvonSexenhaven Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Had to look at the ToS statement closely. Might count as "robot play", but barely. You are having to pay attention to what is going on with your glitch and the rock. All it is is a repetitive "press enter" device not actually connected to the game itself. Could be considered an assistive device.
    Posted 15 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Does this thing just do the equivalent of hitting enter every time, or is there something in place to enure it selects the rock?

    Because you came this close to demonstrating it while a butterfly was flying by, but turned it off right before it did the action again.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Audaria: did you watch the video? Did you really see how it's done?

    I'd say that FlirtyvonSexenhaven got it exactly right.

    @vcazan: grats & thanks!
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok, I watched and you're right, it's not a bot, but a robot. Huge difference! Clever vcazan.

    As to the hystrionics, you have a very low threshold, I guess. I am against all actual CHEATS, doesn't make me hysterical.
    Posted 15 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'd say that although any robot that requires you to sit there flicking a switch on and off and having to go back to the keyboard to move between rocks between activations may break the actual terms of service, it's not necessarily against the spirit of them. I suspect that when the ToS were drafted, they had something else in mind completely.
    Posted 15 months ago by dopiaza Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Think of it this way: It's the Glitch equivalent of pushing the "Turbo" button on your old NES advantage game controller. Speaking of which, if anyone has one of those I'd love to use it with Glitch!
    Posted 15 months ago by Skwid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • vcazan, I do not know why you posted this, but it was so stupid. At our age, we should know that botting in any game is against the ToS and so we should not do it. Now that you posted this, TS is probably going to put some crazy anti bot measures that could potentially punish players who are playing by the rules.

    As the System 7.5 beta welcome window said, “Remember to always speak softly.”
    Posted 15 months ago by Macs Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks for all the comments guys! Tiny Speck has not sent me any message or provided any cue for this to be against TOS. If it is, I will for sure stop using this, I love this game too much, but if you guys (Tiny Speck) have an issue with it please let me know.

    If anything, please use this as advise that the current mining method is dull and boring, one of the main reasons I created this hack. If you can implement a new way of mining which does not require the used to just constantly press enter, I think that might add a new aspect to the game.

    What if the rock was divided in 100 pieces and you had to pick quick piece you mined. Each piece could have different properties such as # of rocks # of crystals etc. 

    Again if anyone at Tiny Speck is apposed to this please let me know. Im just having way to much fun with this game!
    Posted 15 months ago by vcazan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • very geeky ;-)
    not seeing much harm in something that cannot move and find the next rock without human help.  It does not detect that the bag is full and grind or sell on auction.  It just is a glorified keyboard with a switch instead of an enter button.  Seems no diff than any one of us programming a button on our mouse or external usb game pad to do the same--ok well not as cool but not against terms I would think.
    Posted 15 months ago by Artilect Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think, perhaps, that you should not have used the word "hack" in your title, as it implies an action performed in the coding.  This is really a mechanical solution that occurs outside of the computer (and coding) itself.  Maybe you were just trying to be provocative. I don't know.  But I think a different word would better describe your invention, and would also eliminate the controversy.
    Posted 15 months ago by lovintnt Subscriber! | Permalink
  • lovint, this *is* an action performed by coding. when the switch is thrown, a set of codified commands is sent to the computer over that USB cable there.

    but there is no controversy really. there is a single person using the word CHEAT rather loudly, and even they agreed it was fine after viewing the video.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @lovintnt It is true that due to the media industry the work "hack" has really gotten a bad name, but in fact this is very much a hack. I work as a hardware "hacker" for a lab at my university. Our lab designs new interfaces and peripherals for children with disabilities to be able to play games with the same amount of control as an abled body person.  We take devices that are created for a whole different purpose and make it do something it was not intended to do. 

    I think people need to be carful before judging anything based on a word that they do not really understand. 
    Posted 15 months ago by vcazan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Though definitely the kind of automated play that we disallow in our TOS, in this case, vcazan's work is more focused on finding creative ways to extend Glitch -- rather than getting an unfair advantage in the game. 

    We'll work on clarifying the TOS to make this distinction more clear -- but our intent is to disallow significant and unfair advantage in the game through automated play, and as many have noted in the discussion already, this particular hack (in the fullest and positive extent of the word) doesn't really meet that criteria.

    We've been watching this Arduino Uno work with interest and think it's pretty cool.
    Posted 15 months ago by kakul Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What happens if a chicken walks by?
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If a chicken walks by it will squeeze it and you get grain :p
    Posted 15 months ago by vcazan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • :) That's what I was thinking would happen. Unless you have mad skillz where it recognizes if it has a choice and only chooses the rock (not that you don't have such skillz, but I imagine it would take much longer to code).

    Back when I was learning Q-Basic (I know, right?The language was already ancient by the time I learned it.), I learned about If/Then, but I have no idea how that would translate with the Arduino and (presumably) much more complicated coding language.
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Its not that I cant do it, its that there really is no way to do it. Tiny Speak works very hard to make sure this game is secure and safe. 
    Posted 15 months ago by vcazan Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sad to note that QBasic was actually new when I first used it. Showing my age.
    Posted 15 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink