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Skill tree - Planning ahead for the brave new world

Is there a skill tree online anywhere that looks like the one we used to be able to access from our profile page? One that shows the progression of skills and what you need to learn first to unlock advanced skills? I checked the Encyclopedia and the wiki, but they just have the skills listed as bullet points -- not in the graphical format that I'm looking for. 

Basically, I want a flow chart so I can figure out the best order to learn skills once the game opens up again. Anyone have a link?

Thanks.

Posted 15 months ago by Tonya Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Tonya - click on your skills tab at the top - if you mouse-over each skill it tells you what you need to achieve each one.  Good Luck
    Posted 15 months ago by MzMunchken Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No link that I'm aware of. I created tables by category to show what was required and what the benefits were for each skill. then I made notes at the bottom. I did this because 1) I'm OCD with stuff like that, and 2) I was bored one day during tests

    For finishing them all quickly, go the Better Learning route- each one takes a bigger percentage off the total learning time for others. if you're looking for profitability, there are several paths.
    Posted 15 months ago by bored no more Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I did the Better Learning tree last time, but then Biohazard and striatic got into an argument in global chat about the cost-benefit analysis, so now I'm going to skip that route and go straight into mining and cooking. 

    BNM - If you have that table in a Google doc, I'd love to see it! =)

    Or even better - If someone did a screenshot of the skills before the EOTW...
    Posted 15 months ago by Tonya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The skill table is still visible under the skill tab and when you hover over each skill, it tells you what you need, as MzFroggie stated. As far as being able to see them as you could before EOTW, anyway.
    Posted 15 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't and I won't make one, mainly b/c if I did, someone would come along and say "that part's wrong", then someone else would argue "it's right". I can see people getting snippy over anything and everything while we wait to get in for real.

    Basically all skills build on each other, so AK 2 helps you nibble piggies better than AK 1. it really just depends on what you want to do first.
    Posted 15 months ago by bored no more Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I've been having fun looking through the skills from my skills tabs. AK1 is only 1 minute 30 seconds! I'd forgotten how short some of them are.
    Posted 15 months ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks, everyone. I figured out what I need. =)
    Posted 15 months ago by Tonya Subscriber! | Permalink
  • there is also this
    http://beta.glitch.com/forum/general/6571/#reply-65768
    Posted 15 months ago by goodstory Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I did the Better Learning tree last time, but then Biohazard and striatic got into an argument in global chat about the cost-benefit analysis, so now I'm going to skip that route and go straight into mining and cooking."

    the result of that argument was my doing some research [i asked stoot] and we found out that biohazard was operating from some very flawed assumptions.

    better learning is extremely effective.

    first, we were informed that better learning skills do not increase the learning time for subsequent skills by their mere selection, unlike other skills.

    second, even if they did, it turns out skills don't start to inflate until after the 20th you learn, so even if each better learning skill DID increase learning times by 5% each, which again, they don't, you would still have 15 skills to learn at -20% learning time until the penalties kick in, which again, they don't.

    that said, i'm not sure it is most efficient to learn BL1 through 5 immediately when you start playing. first of all, that's no fun. second of all, i suspect that by learning mining -> admixing first, generating gems and EHSP, you get overall faster learning speed through spending favor, since favor can reduce skill learning time up to 50%, where BL can only reduce by 20%.

    if i was to offer advice, it would be to start with mining. use the mining to gain favor to speed the later mining skills, then continue using mining for favor to speed the better learning skills. then you can use the favor AND the BL reduction on all subsequent skills.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I did the Better Learning tree last time, but then Biohazard and striatic got into an argument in global chat about the cost-benefit analysis, so now I'm going to skip that route and go straight into mining and cooking. "

    OH!
    We were kinda both totally wrong, we both thought that BL skills also added 5% to skill times at the same time as removing some, but they don't. (I checked :D) So it is super duper useful, and the point about compounding 5% is even more right once I figured out it didn't add anything.

    I haven't done the full-out math, but since it removes something like 16h from Mining IV at it's initial 4d learning time, I assume in the end it will make up for it's 5+ days total learning time for that section.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh psh Striatic, you also thought they added 5% so don't blame me for that. Nobody in that chat said "hey listen everyone, it totally doesn't add 5%" and so nobody knew and everybody was wrong.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • yeah, but i double checked my assumption [because i knew it had to be wrong] and asked stoot.

    you say "you checked" which is baloney.

    plus i didn't think it was actually adding 5% per skill, i didn't know for sure, so i was arguing the worst case scenario.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I did check. I literally learned a Better Learning skill and used math to figure out what percentage was removed from my other skills (the right percentage) and which percentage was added (none, or if it was, it was negated by an unidentified loss)
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • also Mining IV doesn't have a 4 day learning time if you learn it first, going by the current skill tree.

    not sure where you got that one.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • maybe you double checked what stoot said when you were told it. i assure you that you did not do so before launching into an ill-founded argument that wasted a lot of people's time [ironically].
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you both striatic and biohazard for analyzing the skills route! This is totally helpful and informative for me. I'm planning to do BL, mining, and admixing. I just have to focus! and not get distracted by squeezing chickens....... hahaha.... 
    Posted 15 months ago by Saywhat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • An argument is two sided. It would have simply been a statement had you chosen not to continue it. I had no way of "double checking what stoot said" because I was not a member at that time, and thus did not know it had ever been said.

    Mining IV has a learning time of 4 days after you learn your first skill. This was verified about 2 weeks ago when my partner and I made a new account in order to check the original skill times. They looked far too short, and sure enough, after one skill is learned, they switch to the times I posted here.

    Note: It is 100% impossible to learn the skill of Mining 4 as your first skill.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • not a member of what? global chat?

    you told people in the chat that Better Learning was a waste of time and actually counterproductive. apparently some people believed you, like Tonya.

    the very first thing i did when you started on about that was to ask kevbob in live help the mechanics of better learning. it took him long enough to get back to me that i asked stoot in the meantime and got a response. i did not actually believe that learning each BL skill actually added 5% to learning time, and 25% in total as you presumed, but in lieu of confirmation [and with my existing skill selections i couldn't test it] asserting that i actually believed that the suite overall added 25% to learning time while only reducing it 20% is just flat out incorrect.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok, this is pointless.

    I was not a member of GLITCH when the fact that BL didn't add 5% was mentioned in the forums. The Search function barely works, and while searching I found no information stating that it did not add 5% to your remaining skill times.

    I was told skills after #10 made you gain 5%, meaning that since there are 91 skills we could learn, it pretty much averages out to 4.5% per skill overall.
    I said something along those lines (that it added more than it removed, based on the fact that nowhere said it did not add those times other than some long-forgotten post in forums that I never saw), and nobody said "No, it doesn't add 5% it was mentioned specifically by a staff member"
    What I was told by you personally was that it would be worthwhile regardless. At no point did you say "I am pretty sure I remember being told by staff that it does not". At no point did anyone there say anything to the effect of actual knowledge that it did not, only several comments that it shouldn't because that would be silly. Because it would be silly if it worked that way, but nobody could tell me that it didn't, not even hesitantly.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm totally doing all of BL up front, just to knock it out and reap the benefits, as I intend to play Glitch for a long time. Besides being nice in general, it will also be super helpful later on when more skills are added.
    Posted 15 months ago by shipwreck Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow, simmer down people... it's getting a little hot and heavy in here...

    When the better learning skills were first introduced, there was a brief time where they actually were worthless to learn, because they were included in the penalty. That has been fixed, and it's all better. They definitely are worth learning now.

    Apparently the Wiki says the penalty kicks in at skill #20. I'm not sure if that's right, but it would be great to get confirmation of the exact number so we can plan what order we learn the skills in...
    Posted 15 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think arguing over who said/did what is moot. It's done, probably charred, and every fork you stick in it at this point just makes it crumble and flake.

    Anyhoooooo... I tried learning all the BL's on another account first, and it's definitely the most awesome way to go, and I shall do the same when I get into the game again as a newly reset Glitch. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Little Miss Giggles Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Biohazard? Striatic?

    You're both very pretty. But this who's prettier than whom discussion is very silly.

    Edited to say: Wow. It took me awhile to read this thread. Four other people posted since I started apparently. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Quirk Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I won't be learning them all right away, that would be a boring 5.5 days :P

    I'll learn 1+2, learn something else, learn 3 overnight, learn other stuff, learn 4 overnight for 2 nights, etc etc.
    It won't be quite as efficient, but I won't be nearly as bored as I would be waiting so long for any of the more relevant-to-playing skills.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That sounds like a good, balanced strategy, Biohazard. I figure I can at least start learning better learning 1 (if not also 2) before I log in for the first time and have it finished by the time I get out of the tutorial and start needing some of the other skills.
    Posted 15 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Actually, you have to be level 3 to start BL 1, so you will have to log in for awhile before you can start it. My plan is to start BL1 just as soon as I reach level 3.
    Posted 15 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Doh!
    Posted 15 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry! But level 3 won't take very long.
    Posted 15 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Five months ago, stoot wrote in the forum:

    "Right now it is set up such that, starting with your 10th skill, each additional skill you learn will cause a (compounding) 5% increase in the length of time to learn another. So, skill #20 will take 63% longer than the base time and skill #40 will take 432% longer. 
    "The better learning skills also now have an additional benefit: starting with BL II, the increase the number of skills you can learn before that 5% increase starts ticking in."

    I can't find anything sugesting this has changed since then.
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *mopping up floor*

    can someone hook me up with the link to the skills queuer?  I am fixin' to be needing it again...
    Posted 15 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nanookie: Skill Queuer - by ping - Homepage
    (Taken from this post.)
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thanks!
    Posted 15 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I first misread that as someone wanting to be hooked up with the "Skills Queer" and I had a hard time getting my head around what that might possibly be!
    Posted 15 months ago by magic panda Subscriber! | Permalink
  • BL's were figured out as a thumbs up months ago.  I ended up taking the final dissenters aside in IM's and showed them back then.  Didn't have to do math to prove it, but I've long forgotten whatever it was I said.  It's skill 20 or 21 where the 5% starts, shouldn't change learning order for most.

    The general plan I've heard bantered around is to sprint to get your house ASAP (mainly mining and papers), get as many long skills done in the first 20 as possible, and get the remaining longest ones as early as you can.  I imagine people will stray along the way, and probably should.

    I learned the skills almost a month before everyone else last time and I can tell you that learning as fast as I could for the weeks it lasted sucked all my fun out of the game.  I don't recommend it and it'll be much worse without downtime.  Grinding is a fun-vampire.
    Posted 15 months ago by Tingly Claus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But vampires are really sexy and popular....?
    Posted 15 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • To anyone that wants to only learn the mining and bureaucratic arts skills at the beginning to make as much money as they can: I recommend you sprinkle some other skill in there that will help you stay alive while you're mining, namely animal kinship and/or gardening. The first one will give you more meat per piggy nibble, and the second will give you more produce when harvesting from trees. Cooking will also help you receive more net energy out of each harvested product, if you're willing to spend the time doing it.
    Posted 15 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Welcome to Grinding with Señor Fun Vampire!
    Posted 15 months ago by Aleph Zero Subscriber! | Permalink
  • bit.ly/glitchscript Nanookie ;-)

    My plan is to start with animal kinship to make getting food easier. Then work my way down mining, AK, Tinkering, and BL, refining, and IA as well to make EHSP, which will be in high demand I would imagine.

    Also of note, if you look at the tooltip for Basic Learning skills they now explicitly state that they do not add to skill learning times.
    Posted 15 months ago by Skwid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Skwid, where are you seeing that information on the better learning skills? I can't find it... All I see is a description of what percentage is knocked off of learning times. There isn't even any mention of how BL 3 will increase the number of skills you can learn before the penalty kicks in: I just know that because a dev said so a long time ago in the forums.
    Posted 15 months ago by Shepherdmoon Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I didn't bother with shrine powder, but now with the shrine revamp… eh, I still might not bother.

    I forgot about getting some of the kinships.  I sidetracked to learn several skills early on, pretty sure some kinships were in there somewhere.  I learned the teleports early, only cuz I was tired of street loading delays.
    Posted 15 months ago by Tingly Claus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I was thinking of doing AK1 first (so I can nibble and because it doesn't have a level requirement), but since someone mentioned the times all increase quite a bit from that first skill, I think I'll go for the Mining 1 skill instead, it has a level 2 requirement but if you don't get it first it'll apparently shoot up from 4 mins 30 to 30 mins! AK1 on the other hand would just go from 1 min 30 to 10 mins.

    The mining skills do seem to have the longest times compared to everything else (not sure how they compare if you add up the total time of each skill tree) so I certainly want to knock them off before other things. Hmm, BL would probably be good to get after the first mining however.

    And then of course if you're mining you'll need either something to get food (LGT, AK or MA although you'd still need food with MA), and Tinkering would be a good idea for broken picks.  I'm also tossing up between wanting to madly rush to get the house I want, and taking my time (I figure get the house, then take my time?). So much to think about and consider! 
    Posted 15 months ago by Serilyn Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm going to rely on level-ups to keep my energy up for the first little bit.
    Now that I know achievements are so easy to get (and how to tell which ones to aim for next), how hard can it really be to get 1194 xp, or 1549, or 1950?

    After I hit maybe level 8 or so, I'll probably have to worry about food a bit more.
    Posted 15 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Shepherdmoon I swear to GOD when I looked at the tooltip last night before I went to bed it said that it reduces time without increasing it. Maybe it only says that once the times begin to increase? (I may not have been reset at the time)
    Posted 15 months ago by Skwid Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Shepherdmoon, you don't need another skill so long as you can buy food with the proceeds from your mining.

    you'll be able to buy a ton more energy that way than just by nibbling piggies.

    BL skills don't count against the 20 skill threshold, so say the devs.
    Posted 15 months ago by striatic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't know if things have changed since the current skill learning system was implement ~5 months ago, but this is how things worked back then:

    BL0 - threshold 20 skills, compounding rate of increase of 3% to learn additional skills
    BL1 - threshold 21 skills, " 
    BL2 - threshold 24 skills, "
    BL3 - threshold 28 skills, "
    BL4 - threshold 32 skills, "
    BL5 - threshold 37 skills, "

    Doing a minimalist approach to skill learning might be okay for a mule account, but I don't know if it'd be all that fun for a main account.  Ultimately, it really depends on what you consider "fun".

    As for is it worth learning BL5...  the last time I number-crunched, BL4 was worth learning on a minimalist approach (sic longest skills learned ASAP), but BL5 was questionable, but that was before the TP skills were expanded. With the addition of TP2-5, MI, and Piety, I suspect BL5 is worth learning even with such a minimalist approach, so it's really a question of what skills you want to learn and how much time you really want to spend pursuing BL to cut down on overall learning time (vs or along with using favour).
    Posted 15 months ago by Marebito Subscriber! | Permalink
  • wow am I the only one planing on the Eeny, meeny, miny, moe approach. When did it become a race. Glictch is here to stay and stay open it will, 24/7. At least now after this last test. Time is your friend :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Misha Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "wow am I the only one planing on the Eeny, meeny, miny, moe approach"

    Nope. That's pretty much what I'll be doing. I'll probably kick off on the cooking and animal kinship side though, because they're the most fun.
    Posted 15 months ago by dopiaza Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *Starts group called Eeny Meeny Miny Moers and sends out invites.*
    Posted 15 months ago by Nanookie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'd join that group Nanookie. I just "la-dee-da'd" this test and picked skills that would help me with what I was currently doing.

    It was really nice to smell the roses along the way.
    Posted 15 months ago by Marvingy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • People who are going that route probably aren't very interested in this thread, hence why they aren't posting here. ;-)
    Posted 15 months ago by Skwid Subscriber! | Permalink
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