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Hopes for more peace and good will in Wickdoon Mood

On a deadend street very near my house in Groddle Meadow, 4 wood trees were long ago planted in the 4 tree spots by a group calling itself Wickdoon Wood Preserve. Recently, some kind of wood tree war has broken out with a couple of avatars poisoning all the wood trees in Glitch, including those on Wickdoon Mood.

Anyway, people in WWP (a group that now includes me) have been hearing a lot of feedback form the community about wood trees on Wickdoon Mood. Obviously people with wood quests like to be able to find at least one wood tree in very good condition somewhere. On the other hand, a street with only wood treees means that pigs will starve unless fed.

I proposed to the WWP group, and so far everybody in the group liked the idea, that in the future we try to keep 3 wood trees only in Wickdoon Mood. When I say "try to keep" I mean that other players obviously also have quests to kill trees, plant trees, etc. Other players have just as much right to poison a wood tree and replace it with another bean tree as I have to poison a bean tree and plant a wood bean, on any public street in Glitch including Wickdoon Mood.

So I can't dictate to anybody what trees they should or shouldn't poison, but I personally would like to respond to those who worry about hungry pigs while keeping a few wood trees in good condition in one public and predictable deadend street.

///Correction (see below): I was mistaken: Wickdoon Mood got its wood trees before any group formed to promote them. See for instance www.glitch.com/locations/LC...

Posted 12 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Please see my comments here: www.glitch.com/forum/genera...

    I would also like to point out that the many, many threads on this subject have been started by those who are trying to force their desires on the rest of us. I'm not sure, but have ANY of them been started by people who are opposed to an all wood Wickdoon? So, who is spreading rhetoric?

    And finally, there is no "implied assertion" that there has been abuse "in the name of tree management." It was clearly stated in the the quote posted. ("I fail to see how a small group has a right to decide what is best on a street and abuse others that think differently.") It says "ABUSE OTHERS." Most of us who object to the abuse and bullying will come right out and say it to your face. We have no need to hide behind metaphors or any other indirect language.
    Posted 12 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • their could be peace and goodwill if certain members of a certain group actually stopped killing the non wood trees. I just went to Wickdoon and it is 4 wood yet again and Dotcom is just stood there doing nothing. yeah nice truce guys, nice effort you all made to show that you are not all about power and control. just effin nice.

    well back to the old routine for me it seems.
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Four wood trees again? <faceplant> Nice truce... not.
    Posted 11 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • clearly it is no longer a rogue element planting a 4th wood tree and the actual group itself, or at least, they are happy to stand by and watch as the only non wood tree dies and is replanted.

    to be honest ,I was pretty sure some of the group were hiring other wood supporters to kill the final tree so that they could claim they had kept with the truce. not surprised at all. It was me who suggested the truce and I knew none of them could keep to it for very long before their egos started making decisions for them again. sad little group of sad little people.
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *sigh* I miss the Herb Wars.
    Posted 11 months ago by N2ZOrtolanaBlue Subscriber! | Permalink
  • they are still going ^^
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There's a bean preserve on Verdant Green.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And on the other hand. We're not killing the non-wood tree, there have been cases of others not being happy with that poor tree (being outside the group) who have replaced it. So don't tell me we're controlling the street.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @psibertus, it isn't dotcom's or anyone's responsibility to make the street wood or non-wood. Why would dotcom waste his time guarding the street 24/7? You guys seem to do it pretty damn well.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • were hiring other wood supporters ? Wth? What would be the purpose of that, we have a hidden member list, so it isn't like anyone can tell. When I mean someone outside the group is doing it, I am not lying to you. That would be dumb.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I  have poisoned wood trees in Wickdoon Mood and planted fruit trees to support the idea I proposed above of having three wood trees. All the members of Wood Tree Hippies, afaik, support the 3 wood tree idea. If we patrolled the street, which we do not, it would never have 4 wood trees, nor would it have 4 non-wood trees, something else that quite frequently happens.

    If you see trees there you don't like, poison and re-plant them. It is both courtesy and good economy to let other people present know what you're planning to do before you do it. Why waste a good poison if somebody will antidote it? I have found this to be both important and effective, whether poisoning wood trees or non-wood trees.

    I am sorry I could not explain this to Psilibertus, because he has blocked me, when we were very briefly together in Wickdoon Mood before the bad wifi connection I have right now kicked me off Glitch.
    Posted 11 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • your member list was not hidden a while back, it is how I blocked all of you.

    I know [named removed] did it, and in your group forum, she was mentioned as a supporter who didnt want to be part of the drama of the group or something.

    If you say you haven't done that personally then I accept that but you cannot speak for anyone else in the group and clearly your group is no longer sticking with 3x wood, 1x non wood.

    so wanna explain exactly how 3 wood trees isn't enough? 

    ps: I saw your status recently, if you continue to pursue that issue I will report you, which was something I was advised to do recently anyway, in regards to our conversation about a certain player. and yes I kept entire log of that convo [I did ask you but you didn't reply]
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @psi, as you wish. I'm glad you told me ahead of time.

    If 3 wood trees seem to be *enough* then kill one more. Simple as that.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • all about the power ^^

    simple as that.
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • or 2 more, 3 more, whatever you want.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry to break this to you, but I decide what I do ty, not you.

    you and your rabble can twist it any way you want, keep "scattering" when I arrive [to craft my stuff] and whatever else you think is clever, I am just loving it :)

    ps: sorry that I am not some nice guy that helps old ladies across roads etc, I am who I am and never sugarcoated it for those who think they suddenly saw the "real" me. so tired of "nice" players sticking their nose in other peoples business, stir it all up then act like they are some kind of diplomat.

    sorry but I do not need any assistance on how I should play the game, cheers
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, psi one thing's for sure, I wasn't pursuing your case. I only mentioned it, without you, without an intro, whatever. If you want to know the whole story, I can give you screen shots of all the updates. My goal was to free messy monster. I told you what I told you that day.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Guys this is something both sides will never ever win.  I think both parties need to accept that this circle of poisoning and planting (on both sides) will last for as long as Glitch the game is on-line.  This does make for good reading though.

    @Psi, I remember you now..I think you 'sneezing powdered' our tp train in WM.  Omg, was I laughing that night.  I wish I had snapshotting then.  A line of 11 glitches sneezing was a picture worth keeping! I was still talking about it the next day :D
    Posted 11 months ago by ~Arabesque~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • haha Casarat that was me, I didn't realise that it lagged a lot of players so I stopped doing it when I was toldk just in case anyone thought I was trolling. and yeah :P the sneezing train looked hilarious.

    been carrying that bottle of sneezing powder for quite awhile, waiting for a chance to use it and get the achievements :)

    @Rook: you said something like "is stealing herbs worse than someone commenting on another persons body parts" like the messy situation was him stealing herbs and everyone else getting upset. his comments had nothing to do with it right and were just an afterthought to his actions as a herb stealer....
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh, then that would make a crapload of sense... Ty.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Casarat, I think the people who like to plant wood trees in Wickdoon Mood are well aware that others have a right to their different ambitions.

    @Casombra, my suggestion to maintain three wood trees not four in Wickdoon Mood was just that, a suggestion. Not an attempted "truce" with two avatars whose wood-poisoning I thought would continue, as indeed it has. Not a promise that I personally would, or the W Mood group would, begin to control everybody planting in Wickdoon Mood to demand always 3 wood trees.

    Making everyone totally happy is totally impossible. Some people, not me, want 4 wood trees and keep planting exactly that. Some people, not me, want 0 wood trees and keep planting exactly that. When I go by W Mood, if I have time, I make the trees look more like what I want (3 wood and 1 non-wood). Why can't psil or flask do what I do instead of demanding that the (random) last person before them should have anticipated exactly what they want and planted accordingly? e.g.

    i.imgur.com/XDDb6.png (Long note, took 2 screenshots)
    i.imgur.com/EVkIP.png (2nd screenshot same note.)

    I have to say, messages such as these decrease instead of increasing my willingness to spend my own resources poisoning a random fourth wood tree.
    Posted 11 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @dotcom: I haven't been killing wood since I started noticing the non wood tree in Wickdoon.

    a few times I have gone to Wickdoon to harvest and craft and there has been 4 wood trees, every time I usually killed 1 and planted a bean tree, dusted it and moved on. only once did I decide to plant one of each tree and annoy those trying to kill them again for about half an hour. I did not kill any other wood trees anywhere else and still haven't.

    I would appreciate it if you thought as me and flask as 2 different people, we aren't the dynamic duo lol. I have been honouring the "suggested truce" regardless of whether your whole group did or not and I have really just been an observer until today when I saw you in Wickdoon. I said I was going back to my usual routine, which still doesn't involve killing every single wood tree believe it or not and I still haven't decided whether I will kill those in Wickdoon.

    if I always find 4 wood trees when I go there, then most likely they will start to die and I will be back to profiting bigtime, if some days its mixed, I'll just harvest and move along. I am not giving anyone an ultimatum, I will do as I choose, as will they.
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I wouldn't consider you guys a duo, trio, etc.

    (from that chat, and basic observation)
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Getting upset and possibly vindictive because the population of trees on a certain street do not conform to your expectations is rather unproductive, no matter whether you want all wood, all something else, or a blend. It's still trying to dictate to the community at large that your preference is superior / right and the other guys' preferences are inferior / wrong. As such, all the folks obsessing over trees and fighting about them are being very silly. Just saying.

    If that is how you want to spend most of your Glitch gameplay time, great, but I personally suspect (right or wrong) that a lot of the angst here is caused by tree changes that may be generated by innocent and uninvolved Glitchen who do not read the forums, do not care about the tree stats, and just see a quiet-ish dead-end street as a good place to do chopping / poisoning / planting quests and have no idea they are sticking their arms elbow-deep into an active beehive.
    Posted 11 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Lorelei, a number of those against the preserve were also uninvolved Glitchen who just happened to enter wickdoon mood and then received abuse via splanking, mooning and being "told off" just for harvesting. and don't forget, flask actually used to dust wood trees when she had finished harvesting, that was until she received abuse for not dusting them BEFORE harvesting.

    none of that has anything to do with killing trees or any tree war. that was a particular group dictating what can grow there and being horrible to anyone who didn't conform the instant they entered wickdoon.

    so your point may be valid to some extent now, but this is not a blameless issue of 2 sides being wrong, this is one group creating an issue that effected a number of players who decided to stand up to it.

    Final Note: I know that many of the group are innocent, and many of the guilty players are not in the group, sorry for the generalization, just trying not to type an entire essay each time I wanna mention them.
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You guys are acting like 5 yrs old..Mommy!! I want my trees!! Mommy!! he took my trees! Mommy !!he he he he did this, he he did that  wahawaha! Grow up for the love of Glitch!!
    Posted 11 months ago by jeanlouis Subscriber! | Permalink
  • jeanlouis until you have experienced being an innocent glitchen being abused because you came upon a street and was doing a quest you have really no right to call me a child.

    I was one of those glitchen before we went back into beta. I was exploring and happened upon Wickdoon Mood. I went to the end of the street to poison and replant when I was mooned, splanked and told to get out.

    Am I angry? You betcha! I did not deserve to be treated like dirt in a public area.
    Posted 11 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Huh. Last few times I've been to WM it's been quiet and drama-free. I watered, petted, dusted, harvested, and went on my way.

    No one was poisoning or antidoting or planting. No one abused anyone, no one taunted or threatened or reported or anything.

    It was pleasantly peaceful. I thought to myself, "Maybe this has blown over, and everyone has decided to let their grudges go."

    And then I read this thread again. Oh well, it was a nice dream while it lasted.
    Posted 11 months ago by Pascale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh man I can not be the only one who gets giggle fits from this whole melodrama, right? I mean, you'd think the WM group was actively kidnapping glitches and selling them into slavery at auction by the way those who oppose them talk about it.

    Personally I couldn't care less what tree is where. I'd expect anyone who does care which tree goes where to plant that tree where they want. But acting as if you're freaking Braveheart fighting your English overlords is just hysterical.

    Down with tyrants! Down with bullies! Rah!

    Or something. Please don't stop this, I am forever amused.
    Posted 11 months ago by SkyWaitress Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There is no quest or badge that makes you poison a wood tree. To quote the wiki ( www.glitch-strategy.com/wik... ) " ... badges for clearing dead (poisoned) trees, such as Nouveau Whack Job, must be achieved with non-wood trees because a poisoned wood tree does not leave a harvestable dead tree. Instead, it leaves an empty patch and a pile of 25 planks."

    Calling out other players by name in the forums and repeatedly using the forums to accuse an entire group of dishonesty, bullying, taunting, etc. etc. -- surely these are and should be against Community Guidelines. Although it does make for funny reading, perhaps more so if you are not one of the avatars used as a public punching bag.
    Posted 11 months ago by Dotcom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Btw, there is a quest to replant three trees in different regions, tho the first time I thought she said she had poisoned the whole street, which would go over the quest. Just a thought...
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nvm, just looked for a dead end street. And killed one tree, or tried to.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry, but at this point your behavior is just as obnoxious and just as pushy about having a public street arranged "your way" as the opposing side is or has been, if not more so (especially when I see that some have chosen to take this lame battle off that one street and take it to other public streets Ur-wide by killing ALL the wood trees in Ur whenever possible), and it would probably behoove everyone involved to take a deep breath and a step back from all this squabbling over PIXEL TREES to give up determining for all of Ur whether Wickdoon has a percentage of trees you / your group like best. Because it is thoroughly childish and more than one player has expressed anxiety about simply going into Wickdoon to harvest (from WHATEVER is there), collect quoins, buy from the vendor or donate to the shrine lest anyone there think they give a rip one way or the other about the layout of trees on that street. 

    There's a lot of excuse-making about how it's OK because someone ran into a rude player from one side or another, or how it's OK because someone didn't adhere to some set of "rules" / a detente set up over public resources on a public street, and how it's OK because it's so profitable or fun to be annoying about PIXEL TREES. I'm not involved, I don't care who started it, I don't care what rationales and excuses are being made, this is a public street and whether you want all, none or some of the trees to be a certain type, you are all guilty of trying to force your preferences on the rest of the players and all guilty of justifying your preferences with a lot of excuses and anecdotes, and thus are all equally wrong and need to chill out. Seriously. 

    Full disclosure: My only dog in this fight, so to speak, is that I would like the lower level players who get the "harvest from all kinds of tree in Ur" quest (or people who want to make the salmon-on-a-plank food item or people who just want a plank to equip their Emo Bear, or whatever) to actually be able to find a wood tree somewhere in Ur that is not a residential street or someone's back yard. It also did not bother me that one street out of hundreds was all wood, even if / because it was convenient to point folks seeking wood towards it on a nearly daily basis when someone asked where to find wood trees. I did not CARE how many wood trees Wickdoon has or had. I still don't.

    At this point, everyone appears to be ENJOYING the conflict too much to give it up and have some consideration for uninvolved players who simply DO NOT CARE about this particular squabble and just want to go about their business without feeling anxious or nervous about using a particular public street to play the game / harvest / donate / shop / whatever, and I think that this is pretty sad.

    Don't do jerky stuff just because you are fighting over PIXEL TREES, such as "whisper" / personal IM people who visit the street to go about their business, don't go mess with trees on someone's residential street, don't leave pig poo on their doorstep, don't be a jerk if you run into them in-world, etc.; in short, try not to be so bloody ridiculous and unpleasant to others over PIXEL TREES. Have a little more consideration for people who would rather not be inconvenienced by all the petty squabbling going on, please.

    I am not interested in all the reasons / excuses / "they started it" / "they were mean to me" / "I don't like it that way" / "they are being bossy" / "they are griefing" / etc. stuff. You've all had the opportunity to post at length about all of it, and no one really cares who is more or less at fault when both sides are being irritating and starting to cause uninvolved parties to enjoy their gameplay time less. 

    It is PIXEL TREES, guys. I wish my life was as uncomplicated as yours so that I could spend all the time and energy that have apparently been wasted over squabbling over PIXEL TREES in a browser game. Sheesh.
    Posted 11 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Lorelei: Probably the best post I have ever read in any forum anywhere. Thank you so very much. :-)
    Posted 11 months ago by Flowerry Pott Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lorelei....BRAVO!!!!!!
    Posted 11 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • She's famous for that ^_^
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Lorelie Well said.  It was time.
    Posted 11 months ago by Splendora Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Feeling a little morally superior, are we?
    Posted 11 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Absolutely not. Feeling annoyed. Totally different emotion.

    EDIT: I would also be interested in hearing how you felt that comment furthered the discussion in any positive or useful way, and why you felt the need to assign a negative attribute to me personally.
    Posted 11 months ago by ✰ Lorelei ✰ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Any time anybody posts a 'meta' comment towards the end of a long drawn out thread on an issue, and the whole point of said 'meta' comment is to step up above the whole discussion and in effect say: 'you are all idiots,' its appropriate to question wether said commenter is copping a 'superiorer than thou' deal. I mean, get real. You could have skipped commenting altogether.
    Posted 11 months ago by Razzal Subscriber! | Permalink
  • There is no quest or badge that makes you poison a wood tree. To quote the wiki ( www.glitch-strategy.com/wik... ) " ... badges for clearing dead (poisoned) trees, such as Nouveau Whack Job, must be achieved with non-wood trees because a poisoned wood tree does not leave a harvestable dead tree. Instead, it leaves an empty patch and a pile of 25 planks."

    I was doing the plant a tree in different regions quest so no I did not have a quest to specifically poison wood trees. Like I said I was exploring and had the quest in my book. I happened upon Wickdoon Mood while exploring, I did not go there specifically to poison a wood tree.

    Btw, there is a quest to replant three trees in different regions, tho the first time I thought she said she had poisoned the whole street, which would go over the quest. Just a thought...

    No I did not poison the entire street. I tried to poison one at the end of the street to do the plant a tree in 3 different area quest. Like I said I was still pretty much a newbie when this all happened. I was completely innocent of the situation on Wickdoon Mood and was just exploring, doing quests and enjoying the game. I did not deserve to be bullied that day or any other day over someone's need to control a public area and call it "community service".
    Posted 11 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Casombra, I corrected myself afterwards. I read your first post, and it made sense.
    Posted 11 months ago by Rook Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ahhh ok Rook sorry I must have missed that. My bad.
    Posted 11 months ago by Casombra Amberrose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sorry but Lorelai contradicted her/himself a few times in that post AND completely missed the main issues. let me break it down

    Sorry, but at this point your behavior is just as obnoxious and just as pushy about having a public street arranged "your way" as the opposing side is or has been, if not more so (especially when I see that some have chosen to take this lame battle off that one street and take it to other public streets Ur-wide by killing ALL the wood trees in Ur whenever possible), and it would probably behoove everyone involved to take a deep breath and a step back from all this squabbling over PIXEL TREES to give up determining for all of Ur whether Wickdoon has a percentage of trees you / your group like best. Because it is thoroughly childish and more than one player has expressed anxiety about simply going into Wickdoon to harvest (from WHATEVER is there), collect quoins, buy from the vendor or donate to the shrine lest anyone there think they give a rip one way or the other about the layout of trees on that street. 
    sorry, but entering wickdoon mood and being "abused" for not adhering to some made up rule certain players came up with means those abused players must take a deep breath and step back? they had NOTHING to do with any tree war, had no interest in the wood preserve, other than to harvest and yet still got abused, another player actually used to dust the trees after harvesting and was abused for not dusting first. sorry but what are they doing wrong? No one is saying that anyone did anything wrong in regard to planting and/or killing trees in any zone, what was wrong is they then also decided to proactively "coerce" [nicer than abuse?] other random visitors to follow their idea or leave. Personally I just blocked them all so I don't even have to see it, but many times I have been in Wickdoon with friends and get filled in on the conversations, and some of those players are still holding grudges and cannot see how far they have gone beyond just maintaining a wood preserve

    There's a lot of excuse-making about how it's OK because someone ran into a rude player from one side or another, or how it's OK because someone didn't adhere to some set of "rules" / a detente set up over public resources on a public street, and how it's OK because it's so profitable or fun to be annoying about PIXEL TREES. I'm not involved, I don't care who started it, I don't care what rationales and excuses are being made, this is a public street and whether you want all, none or some of the trees to be a certain type, you are all guilty of trying to force your preferences on the rest of the players and all guilty of justifying your preferences with a lot of excuses and anecdotes, and thus are all equally wrong and need to chill out. Seriously. 
    Dumb again. the group will not back down, they were just gonna go on killing anything not wood and although many of them have cooled off, a few are still very vocal, swear at players, compare them to Nazis, call them terrorists, sociopaths and so on. Many abused players don't want to file a detailed report to possibly get someone banned, many really don't care what abuse is thrown into the "melting" pot. is tit for tat a good thing? probably not, but in the light of what it really amounts too, killing all wood trees is an action anyone with the right skills can do themselves, completely separate from all the wood tree war drama. the only real difference is an actual reason for doing it was posted many times [besides profit and market control] and certain beliefs were defended. a belief you have just posted yourself. 

    you say you don't care who started it, but basically condemn everyone even though many were and still are, just victims. their are no victims on the side that started it.


    At this point, everyone appears to be ENJOYING the conflict too much to give it up and have some consideration for uninvolved players who simply DO NOT CARE about this particular squabble and just want to go about their business without feeling anxious or nervous about using a particular public street to play the game / harvest / donate / shop / whatever, and I think that this is pretty sad.
    You have absolutely no clue what defending beliefs even means, I do doubt you even have any that someone else didn't "give" to you. You have no idea about the foundations your own nation is built upon [I don't even need to know where you are from], have only a basic understanding of human beings in general and most importantly, are happy to insult people in almost all your paragraphs while truly believing you have the moral high ground. THAT is sad [and yes I just did the exact same thing, not so hard right].

    and just to repeat, those players being made to feel anxious or nervous about entering Wickdoon were made to feel that way by those same abusive players, not the victims of them.


    Don't do jerky stuff just because you are fighting over PIXEL TREES, such as "whisper" / personal IM people who visit the street to go about their business, don't go mess with trees on someone's residential street, don't leave pig poo on their doorstep, don't be a jerk if you run into them in-world, etc.; in short, try not to be so bloody ridiculous and unpleasant to others over PIXEL TREES. Have a little more consideration for people who would rather not be inconvenienced by all the petty squabbling going on, please.
    again, all points aimed at those original players, not at the victims, yet still you throw them all into the same boat. I wish you would just stop it. if you wanna call out certain players like me and say that I was just as bad, I cannot disagree. I am guilty of the same actions as the wood group when I was first learning about what I could do as a glitchen but I am not a nasty person and don't want to be known for trying to create rules in an open environment like Glitch or anywhere else for that matter. 

    I learnt pretty fast that my attempts to force 4 bean trees on ANY street, let alone the "Official" Wickdoon Wood Preserve [lol] was idiotic AND not particular nice. I then tried a number of tactics to get the wood group/s to actually consider their own actions, waste of time, pretty much a conform or die attitude. then I suggested allowing 1 non wood tree to grow, added bonus was the pigs got fed without someone running around dropping food every few hours. I never expected it to be excepted, and even if it was, I figured it would last a few days, then old habits would resume. and I was right. the suggestion which they had actually run for a few days was completely stomped all over by a "vote".....they actually voted whether to let a non wood tree grow or not. 

    Me suggesting a non wood tree isn't me forcing my idea on what should grow in Wickdoon on uninvolved players, the wood group was already doing that regardless, I merely tried to get them to step back slightly and be a bit more reasonable, with the long term goal of opening their eyes to how silly the whole thing had become.
    They were already camping the place frequently, already killing all the trees, already abusing random players, any kind of change to that is a sign of progress, but I do not expect you to understand politics at all. In case you're wondering, politics runs EVERY SINGLE NATION on the entire planet. just because it is a game does not mean the politics is irrelevant. If you actually believe it is of little importance, then why are you here writing lengthy posts about it. you are either opening the floodgates to every form of abuse possible, or shutting the door on Glitch as an online game. the adage of "can't we just all get along" is not applicable in most cases and if your ancestors had that same attitude, you wouldn't exist. but hey, you ancestors were probably sad right, fighting for the land they had claimed, fighting for their very survival, all sad because hey, what is the point of conflict over dumb little things, like our right to live.you might say they are a world apart, but these "battles" are fought from the very bottom to the very top, and DO effect people in many ways, shape our societys, our education, our progress as a race, and most importantly, our continued survival
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    I am not interested in all the reasons / excuses / "they started it" / "they were mean to me" / "I don't like it that way" / "they are being bossy" / "they are griefing" / etc. stuff. You've all had the opportunity to post at length about all of it, and no one really cares who is more or less at fault when both sides are being irritating and starting to cause uninvolved parties to enjoy their gameplay time less. we know you are not interested. oh hey lorelei, nice to see you here not being interested while spewing your own personal views at the rest of us, while basically saying we have no right to reply, no right to defend ourselves, no right to do ANYTHING but back away and admit we were sad. well if we are gonna throw the term Nazi around, I can see a few "highlights" in your post that is borderline fascism.It is PIXEL TREES, guys. I wish my life was as uncomplicated as yours so that I could spend all the time and energy that have apparently been wasted over squabbling over PIXEL TREES in a browser game. Sheesh.
    Sheesh...you still won't back away? gonna carry on insulting players?
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I didn't see Lorelei's comment as "meta."  I thought it made a substantive point, which I'll try to explain in my own words: 

    As I understand this game: People are allowed to plant any tree that will grow in an area on a public street. People are allowed to poison any tree to which they have access. People are allowed to antidote trees that have been poisoned. People are allowed to apply powders to help trees grow. People are allowed to harvest any tree to which they have access.  In the case of a wood tree this means they may "harvest and clear," and may end up doing this with or without realizing that to "harvest and clear" a wood tree is to eliminate it.

    There are people who don't read everything that's posted in this forum, who don't know the complete history of the controversy over wood trees in Wickdoon Mood, and who don't care what particular mix of trees grow there. At present, these people are not able to plant, kill, or even harvest a wood tree in a public area without running the risk of being told, or of other people being told, that they are taking a side in a controversy they may not even be aware of, much less understand or care about.
    Posted 11 months ago by Splendora Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Splendora put it well; also, there are new players running around looking for wood trees, completely unable to find them in any reasonable amount of time, because a few people are POISONING THEM ALL as part of a CRAZY VENDETTA against some tiny subset of a small group of other players. 

    The ONLY valid method of last-resort conflict resolution in this game, other than just GROWING UP and GETTING OVER IT, is to file an abuse report. If you don't think that the thing you're complaining about is bad enough to file a report over, then MAYBE YOU ARE OVERREACTING.

    If this confuses you, at www.glitch.com/guidelines/ please refer to the sections entitled "Make Glitch a Welcoming Place," and "There is no 'Right Way' to play Glitch."  Also, memorize this: "No griefing or harassing other players. It’s not fun, or funny. Really. If you are in the game for the purpose of pissing other people off, you can’t play." 
    Posted 11 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I doubt if 'new players are out looking all over for wood trees' any more than they ever have before.

    The 'we are doing this to help the little newbies' argument is pathetic.  They are doing it to please their egos.  Just like everybody or nearly everybody involved in the conflict.

    And frankly, not every player even cares if they finish all the 'quests' in the game.  Sure, there will always be an OCD contingent who will break out in a sweat.  That's their problem frankly.  If the 'harvest every tree type' quest was supposed to be easy, there would be a nice line of trees on some street to harvest.  People need to get over the idea that we need 'spoiler zones' in the game that make it easy.

    Also, memorize this: "No griefing or harassing other players. It’s not fun, or funny. Really. If you are in the game for the purpose of pissing other people off, you can’t play."

    It will get really REALLY scary when people start chanting things they've memorized.  That's a bad way of phrasing a suggestion for people to study the meaning of the phrase....

    The preachyness in here gets overwhelming sometimes.  Nobody cares if anybody else here thinks they are the world's greatest matriarch peacekeeper.   People who want to be mom should go find some kids somewhere to herd around.  We're all adults.
    Posted 11 months ago by Razzal Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Razzalle, take anything glum pudding says with a pinch of salt.

    she took part in the tree war after someone asked for help defending the last wood tree in Ur, on the help channel. seems reasonable right? except glum pudding is actually a an official helper, and supposed to stay neutral.
    Posted 11 months ago by psibertus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • For what it's worth, the McBeal Forestry Service (yours truly) is planting wood trees in locations where there are 4 or more trees already.  I hope this will catch on and help ease some of the game struggle for wood seekers everywhere.  For that matter, I may also be planting spice trees!

    Details here.

    Happy Glitching!
    Posted 11 months ago by WallyMcBeal Subscriber! | Permalink
  • for the record, guides do not have any direction to "stay neutral" but rather to help players, especially those having trouble, say, completing a quest.
    Posted 11 months ago by katlazam Subscriber! | Permalink