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Community Gardens, Please Don't Do This

I know that a lot of people think its a good idea to keep EVERY SINGLE plot in the community gardens filled up with a crop, and if its not then there is usually someone standing nearby to make sure it something new is planted asap, but I really don't like this practice.  I prefer to have herb garden in my house, since I use it much more, so I have a firebog house.  However, on the rare occasion that I DO need to use a crop garden, it usually takes longer to find a community gardens with an open plot than it takes for the crop to grow.  Please please please, stop filling up EVERY SINGLE plot and leave a handful for other players to use.

It's a community garden, meaning the community should garden there.  Not one person standing around filling it up all day long or leaving notes saying "please replant if you take".  It's not about constantly having free crops available, its about allowing people to use the gardens when they need to.

Thanks in advance.

Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • I can't help but notice that nobody has yet answered the following question:

    Who deserves to fill these suggested empty plots? Since obviously some people have so far been deemed undeserving of them by saying that you feel they should not be planting in them.
    Posted 16 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 Pixel & Blitz
    Posted 16 months ago by Audaria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just stumbled upon this thread and I read about the first half of the comments and then scanned the rest... I, as a lowly begging player at level 6, only recently stumbled upon a "community garden" I realized there was "free food" and that I could plant for my quest... I harvested, cleared a plot and planted what I needed to complete the quest... is it more difficult to do this at higher levels? Also, how many times has someone "guarded" trees or pigs or anything else? This is all common human nature in multiplayer games... there will be the givers and the takers... the ones that play fair and the ones that don't... just my 2cents for this topic :)
    Posted 16 months ago by LadyAng Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yep. There are some of rather rude people out there. Thankfully most aren't like that.
    Posted 16 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • when i was homeless, i depended on community gardens for my vegetables. sometimes i couldn't afford seed but could water and hoe and tend for the few crops i took.

    these days when i pass through a community garden i plant and water everything i can. i buy a variety of seeds and plant so that if you come by in need, what you need will already be waiting.

    an empty plot is wasted time.

    ideally a variety of crop should be ripening all day at staggered hours.

    i expect other people to harvest what i plant; all i want in return is for them to hoe and water when they've taken. if they can afford to replant, that would be nice.

    a hungry homeless glitch may not have time to wait on a preferred crop.

    and if you have a REALLY needed crop, you can go to the nearest vendor.
    Posted 16 months ago by flask Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "I have not yet used a herb garden but once, because the plots I have seen have been all full. So your leaving a full, albeit tidy garden would be a deterrent to my trying things out.

    Leaving some empty plots seems like a good thing to me."

    I pulled that from another thread, just to show that I am not the only one who prefers to have a few open.

    EDIT:  The debate about whether you think its a good thing or bad thing to leave some open is not important, because there are players who prefer to have some open and why would you purposely do something to interrupt how someone else likes to play?  Just like I said earlier, the same reason why I don't harvest the last of a wood tree or ask people before I mine, being respectful of how other players like to enjoy the game will only make the game more enjoyable for everyone.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "The debate about whether you think its a good thing or bad thing to leave some open is not important, because there are players who prefer to have some open and why would you purposely do something to interrupt how someone else likes to play?"

    The debate IS important, though! Debates are super important. That's what happens when someone says "it is rude to do x" and people have to stop and think about whether, as a community, we DO think it's rude to do x. We all want to explain ourselves, otherwise some people will think "they're willfully being rude to experienced players!" when they're really thinking "I'm being nice to new players!"

    (Since I doubt anyone goes into it thinking, "I will interrupt everyone's quests by planting potatoes!")

    You've noted that to some people, that would be an inconvenience, but other players have noted that they don't think it is. Everyone has the right to weigh the pros and cons.
    Posted 16 months ago by Pomegrandy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree, and I wasn't trying to say debates aren't important, but I am just saying instead of continually asking me to explain why people need empty plots just as much as they would need crops, it is best just to respect that people do need them
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Give it up people. She doesn't get it, and she never will. This is like a scary merry go round, without even the merry. Respect. You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    As she basically said...instead of debating why anyone would do something one way or the other, it is best to just realize it should be done her way. Wow. LMAO.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I can't help but notice that nobody has yet answered the following question:

    Who deserves to fill these suggested empty plots? Since obviously some people have so far been deemed undeserving of them by saying that you feel they should not be planting in them. Posted 19 hr ago by Biohazard

    Oh look, still you have no answer for this question. What a surprise.
    Posted 16 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am sure community means a little different to everyone so I can't see why someone is upset about how they view community gardens, way too many posts on this subject.Repeated with herb gardens .... 
    Posted 16 months ago by Phochai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I have a hope for the results of this *vigorous* debate.  Well, 2 hopes; one for the community mindset that @Blitz mentioned above and one for the devs. 

    Community:  If you see an empty plot, do with it what you will; I'm not telling anyone how to play... but I hope you will consider what else is in the garden.  I was in the Chakra Phool herb garden and *every single plot* had Silvertongue planted.  They were all close to the same age (ie readyness).  So my hope is that if you see an abundance or a shortage, you will consider that in your planting plans, and maybe that can benefit the whole community.

    Devs:  Please, please think about real estate options that include herb *and* garden plots.
    Posted 16 months ago by Wiggles The Fluent Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "Oh look, still you have no answer for this question. What a surprise."

    Her point isn't that plots should be left open, it's that people who religiously fill every plot could perhaps not fill all of them. 

    I don't think anyone is listening to anyone... have people not been giving the crab's headphones back?
    :(

    Regardless,  it's all just one opinion versus another...

    Clearly we all just love going in circles.

    *spins until she gets dizzy and collapses*
    Posted 16 months ago by shhexy corin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Well, I wasn't going to chime in at all but seeing how people are starting to say that Laurali is being obtuse...

    I feel obligated to say out loud that I agree with her.

    BUT! That only means that's how I would prefer the gardens to work, because that's most convenient to me. I'm quite aware another person will have a different preference. We are entitled to it.

    We are not entitled to yell at others and claiming that only one way is the right way. Because there is no right way. What is more fair may be more tedious. What is quicker may be less efficient. What is most practical may be least fun! And each individual player decides this for themselves, which is why we WILL NEVER AGREE ON ONE SOLUTION. Can't we be content with making suggestions and listening to those of others? Does someone really have to 'win'?

    So stop arguing and getting upset, everyone. THIS IS NOT A REAL GARDEN, so you can't treat it like one. These are not real plants. The people who use the gardens are not really hungry or in need. The plants are not real resources, and they do not take real, finite resources to grow. And even if you say 'oh but within the game it matters', do notice that with the current setup,  even in the scope of the game,  whatever 'waste' you may feel happens is almost insignificant.

    It just doesn't matter enough to argue like this! 
    Posted 16 months ago by Cefeida Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you Cefeida for speaking up.  Biohazard, I answered your question 5 or 6 times now, and will do so only one more time.  I am speaking to the people that camp at the gardens continually filling it up, not to the average player just running through and planting/harvesting as they go.

    "I was in the Chakra Phool herb garden and *every single plot* had Silvertongue planted."

    That is what Wiggles said, and that describes perfectly the problem, although it applies not just to the herb gardens but to the crop ones as well
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ""Oh look, still you have no answer for this question. What a surprise."

    Her point isn't that plots should be left open, it's that people who religiously fill every plot could perhaps not fill all of them. "

    Thank you shexycorin for actually reading what I am asking!  If people would have taken the time to do that this would have been a lot shorter
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And as at least three of us have stated before, even if "those people" (who I in fact only see maybe one out of 5 times I garden or even pass by) leave a theoretically sufficient amount of empty plots (10), who is to say that the very next person who comes by won't fill them immediately? I've observed that a new person tends to show up at least once every 5 minutes in a community garden during normal hours. Just because someone is "camping" in the gardens does not mean they didn't already leave plots open, only to have them filled a few minutes later.

    And I see you have managed to answer my question. Clearly, you do not believe that everyone has the same rights to plots as each other, as you think that people "camping" should not be using them all. So Laurali, what exactly makes you, or these people messaging you about not having free plots to plant in, more worthy of these garden plots than those who meticulously tend to them for "hours" (your words).
    Why is it that you feel these patient people have less of a right to these plots than others? They are putting in the time and effort that you simply do not wish to apply, because as you have said, they go over and fill plots that others leave empty. Why aren't you doing the same, if you want the plots so much? (And by "you", I mean a rhetorical "you" of anyone who thinks that it is unfair that they cannot simply walk in and find plots empty everywhere all the time, since any other time I've referenced you you have instantly responded with "Well it isn't ME any more, I'm done!")
    Posted 16 months ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If someone comes through and fills up the empty ones, great!  Then someone was able to use them because they were left open
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • And Bio, the people camping them have every right to them too, as do I, as do any other players.  I am asking the people camping to share the "right to the plots", if they enjoy camping and keeping the gardens planted perhaps they wouldn't mind camping and keeping the gardens only mostly planted, that way, like I said above, next person who runs through and needs it will be able to use it.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you, Cefeida. That is exactly what I was saying. There is no right way. Everyone should play they way they personally want to play.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Ridem, people can play how they want while still leaving room for others to play how they want as well, that's all I'm asking.

    You really don't need to be so rude to me btw
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 Ridem Cowboy, striatic and Biohazard.

    Sorry, Laurali, nothing against you, but I really don't understand. If you don't want all the plots filled up, then why do YOU have the right to come along and do just that? It doesn't make sense. You're asking that people leave empty plots. What is going to happen to those plots? What should they be left open for? What do you want done to them? You want to use them? But you just broke your own rule.
    Posted 16 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't understand why everyone keeps saying that I am claiming only I have the right to fill them.  I mean to leave the open for ANYONE.  Multiple people have mentioned the same problem with the gardens, so leave them open for ANYONE who might need them.  It's reallly not asking much
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Gotcha. Okay, so replace all the 'you's with 'the people besides the people you're appealing to's.
    Posted 16 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes but if even one person is able to use the plots when they need it, then even if the plots are full for the next person at least one player was able to get what they needed.  
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow some of you really don't know when common sense/courtesy gets shoved in your face, do you?

    Now I know who to never talk to.
    Posted 16 months ago by Piratice Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Piratice, I'm just using simple logic.
    Posted 16 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But if you use simple logic you will see that there is no reason why a few can't be left open.

    Is it a good thing to allow for everyone's play style?
    Yes.

    Are there over 50 plots in the community gardens?
    Yes.

    Is it possible to save some of the plots for people who might need it for something other than the produce that was planted?
    Yes.

    So what is the problem here?
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Scenario:

    Person comes wandering into the garden. Person thinks, "I'd like to plant some vegetables for my quest, but I saw Laurali's thread, and there are only a few open plots. I don't want to offend anyone, and someone else probably needs the plots more than I. I'll leave them."
    Person leaves.
    Rinse and repeat.

    It's a never-ending, useless chain of niceness.
    Posted 16 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • But Cupcake I've said soooo many times this is not to address the average person passing through, rather the person who camps at the gardens keeping it full to the brink.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Okay. So all you're saying is, take/plant what you need?
    Posted 16 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Okay. So all you're saying is, take/plant what you need?
    Posted 16 months ago by Cupcake Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yes, that's all I'm asking for.  And for people that like to camp in the gardens and plant them full of crops for other players (which is very thoughtful) to please just leave a few open in case someone needs that plot.

    I really don't know why this turned into such a big deal
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali, I was never rude to you. I'm sorry you are taking everything so personally, but that's all I can be sorry for.

    Remember, after thanking you for my awesome house, YOU blocked ME...for "something" I said to defend my point of view.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • ...I'm not the only one who thought you were being rude, several people above agreed with me
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's nice to wander into the garden and find a potato fully grown, and not worry about whether or not someone will miss it if I take it. If we only plant what WE need, then I just imagine people will be getting mad that someone "stole" their crops.
    Posted 16 months ago by Kira Bajira Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali - I completely get what you're asking.  But I'm struggling a bit with the messages you posted. 

    In your original post you ask other players to consider leaving some of those plots open for others. Completely understand and what you posted up to that point made me think about how I use public spaces. In the same post you then say. "It's a community garden, meaning the community should garden there.  Not one person standing around filling it up all day long or leaving notes saying "please replant if you take".  It's not about constantly having free crops available, its about allowing people to use the gardens when they need to."  This is where I have to politely disagree with you.

    The inference of that second part is that there is a single purpose for the gardens and only one way to use them. There is a declaration of a wrong way to use the community gardens that supports your point of view. In your messages that follow as responses to others' messages with varying degrees of support, disagreement and some that feel like just out and out rudeness directed at you, you switch between saying it's a request, a suggestion, a consideration to again declaring that community gardens are meant for all and your request to leave open plots is a fair way to do it regardless of how that approach may impact other players' game play.

    I'm not saying it was your intention to present this in a way that is contradictory - by asking for consideration of others and then declaring the "right" way to do things and what seems like an expectation that everyone play that way. It could be that you felt attacked or disregarded and reacted a bit snarkily. My suggestion is to take a step back a bit and consider that game play comes in many forms and if some players do things that are annoying (i.e. you're collecting quoins and someone comes up and *takes* what you were about to collect) -- is that really wrong? Or is it irritating and inconvenient?

    I would also add that in general - these kinds of public requests for consideration - actually backfire. Now that people can read that it irritates you to find fully loaded community plots, it will happen more frequently - at least for a while.

    I hope you understand that I am not picking on you. I think you're a lovely person. I am getting concerned with the number of threads lately on the Forums that lean towards telling people how to feel, think and play. (generality - not saying you are doing this). The debates are good. The on-going absence of acceptance of various styles of play that are perhaps less community friendly but certainly not harmful to Glitch -- that's what keeps me far away from contributing to conversations on the Forums (and I'd hazard a guess that I may not be alone in that regard)
    Posted 16 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Laurali just had a nasty personal crisis and other issues. She's going to be very sensitive with good reason for a while. And I know a few tricks for helping with this argument. :) I'll bring it up later but it's pretty late and I need some sleep.
    Posted 16 months ago by Fokian Fool Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Did everyone have a meeting and decide to willfully misinterpret everything she says in an attempt to wind her up?

    Because if I missed that meeting, I'm pissed. A good griefing can be fun.

    Laurali, it's obvious by now that these people are either jerking you around for kicks and/or do not have the interest or capacity to interpret your words.  You've made your point, thoughtful people can consider it, and the rest will keep beating the straw man until it screams for its straw mama.

    Probably best to let it go.
    Posted 16 months ago by Biff Beefbat Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @g33k:  I understand the original post sounded a certain way, but when I originally wrote it I was just trying to joke about it, but still get my point across.  I know that it was misinterpreted and should have thought of that when I wrote it.  I was only asking a few plots be open which in my opinion, will allow for everyone's play style as opposed to just a few people's.  

    In my opinion, what I am asking is not telling anyone how to play but rather allowing for different styles of play, including my own which is to use the community gardens for gardening rather than just harvesting.  It was always meant as a suggestion and not a request, but I never expected the backlash that was received.

    @Biff (and others):  Thank you for recognizing this, cause for a while I thought I was the only one who could see it.  And you're right, I've made my point so many times and had so many arguments that have nothing to do with what I am saying, it is probably best to move on

    ETA:  I am not upset because people are disagreeing, but telling me that talking to me is like talking to a brick wall (which insinuates stupidity) and telling me I think of myself as "Queen Laurali" really isn't productive and could be considered offensive, along with other things said above.  I'm not asking people to agree, but I am asking people not to be so damn rude
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I hesitate to prolong this thread, but @Laurali, you've now said several times that you were "joking" about your point in the original post. I've reread it several times and it doesn't have any feel of joking around, not to me anyway. It sounds like a serious request, phrased as a way to direct play to accommodate the playing style of certain types of players. It may not be worth explaining at this point, but I thought you might appreciate the observation that I probably wasn't the only one who read nothing light-hearted or joking in your original post.
    Posted 16 months ago by Eleanor Rigby Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm so offended. What about MY feelings?

    It's a good thing that it's not just you saying I was rude, but that you have back up. Therefore, it MUST be true.
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eleanor, I was purposely overdoing the thread to joke, like "EVERY SINGLE PLOT" or "its a community garden meaning the community should garden there".  I even wrote at the end of it "Thanks in advance" which I thought would make it clear that I was exaggerating and trying to be silly, but I guess it didn't.

    Sorry it doesn't seem like that, but it was my intention.
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hey Laurali - 

    I appreciate this statement most of all: I was only asking a few plots be open which in my opinion, will allow for everyone's play style as opposed to just a few people's.  

    Regardless of any previous posts you made, you very clearly state that you were trying to represent your opinion of the best way to accommodate everyone. 

    This isn't the first time someone posted something that was read/interpreted differently from what the author intended. It won't be the last. 

    If I could give you a great big hug I would. I get it. I really do. 

    <joke> Unless of course hugging makes you feel uncomfortable or weird. If that's the case, then I would um...hmm...oh yeah...give you a gurly drink...unless of course you are offended by alcohol. Then I would um...hmm...donate to the Giants in your honor, requesting them to bless you with a happy happy joy joy future. Yeah. Let's go with that.</joke>
    Posted 16 months ago by g33kgurrl Subscriber! | Permalink
  • g33k, you are the ultimate best, and have I told you I <3 you?  If not, I have now.

    <joke> I hate hugs, alcohol is the work of the devil (damn hell grapes), and I don't believe in Giants </joke>
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I was purposely overdoing the thread to joke, like "EVERY SINGLE PLOT" or "its a community garden meaning the community should garden there". I even wrote at the end of it "Thanks in advance" which I thought would make it clear that I was exaggerating and trying to be silly, but I guess it didn't. Then why start a post you would know would be controversial? Community means different things to different people let it rest!
    Posted 16 months ago by Phochai Subscriber! | Permalink
  • because I had NOO idea people would react this way.  I thought people would just think "Ok, if I'm here and I'm filling the garden I'll just leave a few open", I never expected this
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm a banana!
    Posted 16 months ago by Ridem Cowboy Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wow! Thanks for the entertainment - I was really missing my kids. Joke - seriously that was a joke. But I did want to thank Laurali - Thank You!. I can admit - I am one of those pesky compulsive gardners. When I have some spare time I spend it in the community garden - clearing, watering, planting, because I enjoy it and it is a nice change from mining for a while. It never occurred to me that in my personal quest to keep it planted (I'm a little OCD) that maybe I didn't need to plant every single plot. And evidently I need to spend a little more time in the forums, because I have learned alot from this thread. I can't do anything about anyone elses behavior, however, I can, when I am in the community gardens leave a couple of plots open and I am happy to do it. And I believe this is what you were shooting for - mission accomplished. I also learned about guano - as silly as it sounds I didn't know it sped up the growing that fast for things I needed. That is a huge help. So thanks everyone I have a new prespective.
    Posted 16 months ago by Couper Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The Groddle Heights community garden was almost bare when I looked at it yesterday.  This might be because the homes in GH all come with gardens, whereas many homes in other areas do not.
    Posted 16 months ago by glum pudding Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you Couper!!  That's all I'm asking, and being OCD myself I understand how annoying it can be, but I think it will help players who might need to use it!
    Posted 16 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
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