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Mature discussion: How about a little non lethal combat (optional) i.e pillow fights, paintball etc...

Listen before everyone runs in here attacking me, telling me how I am playing the wrong game or whatever, please hear me out first.

We live in a mostly negative world, what I mean by that is we live in a world where people like to focus on what can't be done far more than what can be done. As I write this out I am almost 100% sure I will receive more replies about how combat would not work in this game rather than how it could work. However I believe that a true sandbox game should be with as little limits as possible. Why not have combat? Who does it hurt? The truth is it would be simple to implement without hurting anyone. I am sure there are plenty of people here who just simply want to enjoy a social experience, but why not have it all? What I am suggesting is add a couple areas for player who want to battle enemies (possible each other)?

The players who don't want to be involved in anything related to combat would never have to go there. It could work and Im pretty sure the intelligent developers could work it into the lore/world. This game has a non violent feel to it, but there are forms of combat that are not as violent that probably would work here. For example, if you wanted to do a sort of pvp system, you could have laser tag, or  foam sword (weapons) duels. As far as pve you could add new enemies in the newly made battle zones and add a hunting skill for player want to go out and hunt the monsters, maybe get resources from defeating the monster that would some how help the community like everything else in this game.

Posted 88 days ago by Nogoku Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • No
    Posted 88 days ago by Red Sauce Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I won't say it won't work.
    But I will say that my husband and I have been looking for a game we could play together on computers for four years and this is the only one we could find with my insistence that we not punch or shoot anything. Some people would turn away and not register, if it seemed at all violent.

    Laser tag sounds fun, but we are in a 2-D world. I can't imagine that it would even be possible without adding a third dimension.

    Perhaps, if you feel this game needs more violence, you could join a Splanking Ring. ;)
    Posted 88 days ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The Rook and Rook Attacks are kind of collaborative combat; they just need a bit of work to catch up to where the rest of the game has gone now. I like the idea of having the Rook in the game as an enemy against which we can defend (I think that defensive combat fits better with the game's flavour than offensive combat would) but, the way it currently. works, the Rook don't show up very often and when they do--unless you've paying attention to the Rook Attacks group chat and have a good amount of teleportation--we've defeated it before you even arrive. I think it'll catch up eventually though.
    Posted 88 days ago by triiku Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't know if they are still active or not but there used to be a splank fighting club where members would splank each other to death for prizes. The thing is I do not want to be involved in such activity and would be sad if glitch went and made fighting a part of the game officially.
    Posted 88 days ago by Octo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Wouldn't Rook battles fall under what you are describing? I'd check that out Nogoku, they are fun and defeating the rook is good fr glitch as it insures imagination continues to prosper!
    Posted 88 days ago by absolute Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nothing about what I suggested ruins the game for anyone who enjoys it the way it is now.
    Posted 88 days ago by Nogoku Subscriber! | Permalink
  • what's wrong with them having special areas for people who wanted to do a little fighting, how would that ruin the game for you?
    Posted 88 days ago by Nogoku Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No. 

    One of the best things about Glith is the lack of combat.

    Nogoku wrote: The players who don't want to be involved in anything related to combat would never have to go there
    Nogoku wroteNothing about what I suggested ruins the game for anyone who enjoys it the way it is now. 

    I don't want a game where I need, or even just want, to avoid parts of it. Everything suggested would ruin the game for me.

    Edit to add
    Whatever my views on the Idea shouldn't it go in the Ideas Forum and not here in General?
    Posted 88 days ago by IrenicRhonda Subscriber! | Permalink
  • might be nice as a side game - in the way glitch are trying to encourage people to write add on apps for smart devices. I'd probably not join in when I could be doing something in game. I might take part if I could play on my phone where I cant play glitch.
    Posted 88 days ago by jiva Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Why be selfish? Its not like I suggest we take something away from the non combat players. Its obvious your one of the negative people I was talking about :D IrenicRhonda
    Posted 88 days ago by Nogoku Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Nogoku, let me rephrase something you started with. "We live in a mostly negative world..." Most of the online games available are dripping with fighting, gore and negativity. The only reason I play Glitch is because it is uniquely designed to focus more on positive things and leave most of the fighting out of the game entirely. If that ever changed, I would lose interest at warp speed. And I do believe I would not be the only one.

    As far as your query regarding "What's wrong with having special areas for people wanting to do a little fighting..." I don't want to be involved with a game where the developers feel pushed to add violence and fighting. Let the Developers continue expanding the game in the direction it has been going in for over a year instead of branching the game off in a totally different direction. If you have to have fighting in the game, google it and spend a weekend scrolling through your choices.

    So, to quote Saucelah, "no."
    Posted 88 days ago by ~Alice~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • oh and I don't play the competition levels from game tickets at all, a part of the game I avoid. Its not fighting but its competition enough that I only played once to get badges.
    Posted 88 days ago by jiva Subscriber! | Permalink
  • YEAH YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT!

    I just realized if they added any combat at all, even if it was just in one specific location for the players that wanted to be involved it would completely ruin the game and than everyone would quit... (rolling eyes)
    Posted 88 days ago by Nogoku Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm going to go go ahead and answer "how would that ruin the game for you?"

    Primarily, it would ruin the game for others by attracting the types of people who prefer to play violent games. Oftentimes these kinds of players are rude, as they are used to things such as xbox live and other fighting online games, where it is considered acceptable to call players names for being better or worse than they themselves are.

    It would ruin the game for pacifists who are also completists, by making them choose between earning the new achievements and continuing to feel they had accomplished something, or keeping out of something they highly disapprove of.

    It would ruin the forums by making the people who are outraged that the meat free meal options are limited (yes, these people exist and there was a big thing) mad that we were "promoting animal cruelty" by having hunting. If petting and nibbling pigs and hugging chickens is "cruel" to pixels, you can bet your Glitchy butt that killing them will cause an uproar, one that more users would contribute to, at that.

    It would ruin the game by promoting harming others to get ahead. That's not in the spirit.

    Now, I don't feel that this would ever happen here, because I believe that the vision TS has for this game is quite different from the one you have created yourself.

    And I'm also quite sure that the burden of proof lies on the claimant? You're suggesting this and insisting it will not affect those who disapprove. I believe that makes it your responsibility to prove that it will not.
    Posted 88 days ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The thing that's fun about combat games is the same thing that's fun about any action game. Why not just have more coordination-based challenges (like the races?). If you want areas to hunt monsters, why not have areas where you hug monsters? Oh man, hardcore monster hugging land sounds like a leet plan!
    Posted 88 days ago by xLIFEx Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I play this game to relax after playing violent games. I've played games where PvP (Player versus Player) was on all the time, and when you have issues that inhibit your ability to jump properly, or evade, or just shitty reaction times due to lag or poor reflexes, you may as well give up and hope the other person leaves.

    Sure, I play violent and gory videogames, but I prefer fighting AI over other avatars which have a living breathing person behind them. I play this game because I like socializing and doing nice things for others. I don't play this game to beat the crap out of someone just because I can. I play this game BECAUSE it's different from any other MMO I've played. I play this game BECAUSE there is no PvP. Even just having an arena to duke it out (so to speak) would kill this game. 

    Sure, there's splanking, but it's not harming you in any real way (unless you imagine it does or roleplay with someone that it does) and it's meant to be fun. I'd rather this game stay as it is with no PvP.

    So as many have said before me, this gets a no and a negative one thousand points.
    Posted 88 days ago by Ayasta Subscriber! | Permalink
  • You really have to find your way to splank club - I mean you can attack someone with sneezing powder, high five them in the face with some razzle dazzle, moon them til it hurts, soak them with water, fill their bags with fish, splank them to DEATH.

    It's your imagination, YOU can do what ever you want. You don't need TS to do it for you.
    Posted 88 days ago by snarkle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Nogoku - There is already a game area for fighting. This is it!

    Just start a controversial thread and go for it. Perhaps suggesting that, in addition to butlers, everyone shoud have a homestreet "bouncer" to keep visitors away?

    Or Ur police ticketing "loitering" Glitchen who are afk?

    Why can't we "fight|" the Juju Bandits. Or "rob" the Rube?

    These are not options that I want in MY game. But "glitch" is very democratic and anything is possible :)
    Posted 88 days ago by Patricia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • This might be a side issue..but there's one significant thing missing from Glitch that I saw in most violent (though awesome) games i've played. No gratuitously unpleasant language and antagonism. It's almost as if all the immature, caffeinated 13 year old kids find it boring and go somewhere else to be rude, discriminatory and trollish. so the less things added that they enjoy the better :P
    P.S. Don't take this to mean i'm not a 1337 fragmaestro. I'm just also a gifted henteaser and i like to keep them separate ^^
    Posted 88 days ago by xLIFEx Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Food fight!!!!!
    Posted 88 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I know you said not to point out that you're playing the wrong game, but you wouldn't petition the developers of your favorite racing game to allow you to shoot at everything in sight, would you? Of course not. It would be completely out of place (mandatory car analogy has now been added to this thread). Likewise, fighting other players just doesn't belong in Glitch. This reminds me of a thread about a week ago in which one person asked the developers to change a core aspect of the game to suit their specific, unusual interest. If you want a game that provides combat, there's almost every other game that exists for that. I don't see why it's necessary to introduce it to one out of only a handful that don't.
    Posted 88 days ago by Jus​tin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok well I think we can all agree this thread is probably over. In a grand total of 4 posts, the leader of this "mature discussion" has resorted to sarcasm in an attempt to make all opposing viewpoints seem unreasonable. Yay, mature!
    Posted 88 days ago by Biohazard Subscriber! | Permalink
  • How about more games out there without combat?!  Currently, this is one of the only MMOs that doesn't focus on combat.  There are already enough that have that element of game play.  Have to agree that adding it would attract the wrong kind of players.  There are already enough grievers in general, that I'd rather not deal with any more than we have to...and no sense in try to attract them.
    Posted 88 days ago by Holly Wolly Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It would be pretty cool if Tiny Speck added in more puzzle boss battles like the Rook. Like avoiding explicit uses of violence, such as having an incursion of Ork-like enemies who can be put to sleep by being given food and then tangled up by planting a tree or something in front of them.

    But straight-up combat? Doesn't fit Glitch IMO.
    Posted 88 days ago by Bekh Subscriber! | Permalink
  • To quote Stoot himself: "I wanted to make a game where it wasn't an act of combat, because I think play is a really valuable part of life"  -article

    Also worth noting, regarding the atmosphere of the game (again, Stoot quote) "Golf is a pretext to go walking in the countryside with friends. There's a different type of social interaction when you add the context of play." -article

    My understanding (and why I enjoy Glitch) is that this is meant to be social, not overtly competitive. If you add fighting and violence, even if avoidable, it would turn me off to the game in general. I appreciate the safe and welcoming atmosphere of Ur. Granted, you could say "But Avery, Game of Crowns is competitive." To which I agree, but there is no violence toward other characters. I live in a city, I read newspapers, I watch the news, I listen to the radio; I experience enough violence in day-to-day life that when I want to escape that, I want to actually escape it.

    Since the term you use in the original post is "combat" I feel it is important to note (as others have done) that there is combat in the form of defeating the rook. So yes, combat can work in this game. However, I am strongly against any true pvp combat. Heck, even splanking can give my computer do much lag the game crashes.

    If you're just looking for a way to play competitive games with your friends, I highly suggest checking out Game of Crowns or any of the race tickets. They're short, sure, but it is friendly, non-violent competition right here in Ur.

    Last quote I'm throwing in the ring comes straight from Glitch's "About" page: "It also involves very little war, moats, spaceships, wizards, mafiosos, or people with implausibly large muscles." Glitch is very different from other MMOs. If it weren't, why create another game that's just like everything else?
    Posted 88 days ago by Avery♥ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't feel a need to pile on this discussion because I'm quite confident that PvP combat is never going to happen in this game. Killing things is not going to happen either. My confidence that this is the case is one big reason this is the only game I continue to play.
    Posted 88 days ago by Pascale Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No, I do not want combat in this game. If you want a game that includes combat, than may I suggest that you go out their and find that type of a game.
    Posted 88 days ago by Jeasilver Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As someone who plays a few MMOs, I really feel that PVPers always ruin it for the non PVPers.

    I come to glitch to escape, and for the most part I can. why ruin a mostly positive game with hate and violence? Yes, i'm a snarky person quite often, and we can all have some pretty heated debates here in the forums, but for the most part we rise above.

    Please don't take this the wrong way, as i'm not calling you a "noob" or anything, but at level 3 you can't possibly have experienced even a fraction of the game we all adore that you want to change. Play for a while, and experience it, and if you still decide you need to play a PVEor PVP game, then yet, go play another game.
    Posted 88 days ago by Pixieyelsraek Subscriber! | Permalink
  • combat? sure, great....

    not here tho.

    www.hawken.com  think thats one new MMO thats based on blowing shit up/killing each other.

    its a beta, so sign up, try it out or read forums etc...enjoy

    *walks off laughing*
    Posted 88 days ago by ☣ elf ☣ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No. 
    Posted 88 days ago by Zira Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Agree with all the above arguments against introducing PvP or PvE combat to Glitch. 

    PvP attracts people who like pitting themselves against others and I don't want to socialise with people who want to beat, bash, kill, maim, shame, or otherwise whomp and tromp on me.

    I play one online game because I could only find one that offered me all the fun of online gaming without the aggression that is part and parcel of all the other games I tried that had PvP and that includes one game that limited PvP to one specific area.  It was an area I never explored because I'd be instantly attacked and I didn't want to fight.  I always felt really cheated because being unwilling to fight was punished by limiting my options in that game.  I haven't been back there since I found Glitch!
    Posted 88 days ago by Reni's Mum Subscriber! | Permalink
  • We can splank. That's combative enough for me.
    Posted 88 days ago by GreyGoose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • NO
    Posted 87 days ago by Rutger Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think it reflects well on our community and this game where players feel confident to raise a question or idea like this and get intelligent discussion where we express our views - well done us....round of applause.

    Can I have a Bazooka in Round 1 please?
    Posted 87 days ago by Loupin Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A thousand nos. You want to fight? There are a million X infinity games where you can go kill things and insult/harm/traumatize your fellow players. This is not any of those games.
    Posted 87 days ago by Epilady Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I certainly wouldn't welcome the kind of highly aggressive destructive attacks that feature in the village management games such as Travian. That would be completely inappropriate for Glitch.

    However, Travians (with an s on the end) is totally different. It mainly involves solving puzzles to help NPC's solve their problems, but it also has a PvP combat arena which you can engage in or ignore as you please. It's some time since I played it, but as I remember winning fights in the arena gives you some benefits. Perhaps Glitch could have something like that, or some other more peaceful activity in which two players compete. Lag might be a very serious technical difficulty with anything of that nature of course.
    Posted 87 days ago by John259 Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Fisticuffs? No.

    But I could totally see a (pre-Super) Mario Bros.-style head-bomping mini-game where the winner gets some points and the loser loses nothing, sure.  No violence; just competition, like GoC or the races.  All opt-in.
    Posted 87 days ago by E D D I E Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Honestly why would you even WANT such a thing
    Combat would make Cosma sad :(
    Posted 87 days ago by Sororia Rose Subscriber! | Permalink
  • NO.

    Why would we want violence here?  There are lots of games (just about every other game!) which has violence, why here? 

    Many of us come here because we do not want fighting and violence.  Why can there not be just this one game which has none to speak of?

    There are competitive games already, why would we want violence?
    Posted 87 days ago by Cassandria Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Not interested in a combat game, I like Glitch because it is NOT violent.  There are plenty games out there to choose from with violence.  
    Posted 87 days ago by Cabinwood Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Want combat with other players? Why don't you make an unpopular suggestion on the forums and then everyone will make a giant knee-jerk pile-on without giving actual thought or reason? Glitchen think we're all so much better than other MMOs and while we certainly do better than many of them we're gonna have to do a lot better than this when people say something you disagree with on the forums.

    Here's why I don't want standard PVP combat: Glitch is doing some really interesting, innovate things that really encourage people to be nice and people to be cooperative. There's competitive aspects of the game, but that competition is more with the community as a whole; almost everything from digging/mining to quests is easier with a group as an actual game mechanic. Standard shoot people/whack people with pointy things PVP would not only be the kind of thing we could experience in a million other games, but it'd undermine a lot of the silliness and innovativeness of Glitch.

    There are ways combat or competition could work in Glitch, though. Game tickets could be for stuff like the suggested lazer tag (though maybe not that specifically, for the 2d reasons mentioned upthread). I'd love to see more done with rook attacks, too-- that sort of cooperative activity, whether it's combat oriented or not, is interesting and very Glitch-y. 

    Alternatively, I could see something like an in-game version of Assassin working nicely; I know people have done some stuff like this before with differing levels of success. This is the kind of stuff that works better when it's player-run, since it's much easier to opt out of it then. But the best stuff to get ADDED to the games for stuff like this is more tools that allow us to do stuff to other players (like soakings and high-fives) and semi useless toy objects (like the dice).
    Posted 87 days ago by Pixel Dirigible Subscriber! | Permalink
  • The only combat i could see work in Glitch is some kind of pet battle á la Pokemon
    Posted 87 days ago by Jindujun Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Even when I played WoW I stayed off the PvP servers.
    Posted 87 days ago by Feldspar Gravity Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No.

    Also, thanks for bringing this up. I feel like this topic could use some discussion. Most people play Glitch because it's non competitive and non violent.
    Posted 87 days ago by Papa Legba Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No.

    There are thousands of games out there that already do what you're asking, but there's only one Glitch.  Please don't destroy Glitch trying to make it just like all the others.
    Posted 87 days ago by Reika Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hmmmm....Nogoku is a level 3.  He has not begun to really feel what Glitch is about.  Interesting that he feels he knows the game enough to suggest changes.
    Posted 87 days ago by Forcythia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I would like to see combat in form of a memory. It could be after a storyline that you hear from the different resources of Ur reminiscing about a conflict between two group of giant acolytes. There have been mentions of conflict and war in these stories before and I think it would be fun to experience it first hand. I doubt that it would be the conventional type of combat that people assume when they hear the word. 
    Posted 87 days ago by Retribution Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Echoing most of the sentiments expressed by other players above; There are plenty of existing games with any type of combat or competition you could wish for. Whether it be player vs player, vs npcs, ala pokemon, but.. There is only one of Glitch. There is a reason why I am here and I believe strongly it is the non violent aspect of it that keeps me here. If I feel the urge to blow up stuff and spatter blood I take a break from Glitch and play those games, and then come back here to enjoy Glitchy gameplay.
    Posted 87 days ago by natsumi Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Interesting that he feels he knows the game enough to suggest changes.

    Id like to point out to anyone new that we see folks who are new to the game do this quite a lot.

    Take time to learn what is here before wasting yours trying to change this to suit you.
    Posted 87 days ago by ☣ elf ☣ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • No. Like many of the other posts, i come here to get away from uber-combat oriented games, and reality as well. Also there are a gazillion games out there that have PvP with combat. it just doesn't fit in with this game at all. HOWEVER, things like a food fight, or tug of war, relay races as part of the Game Tickets, might work within the construct of the game, provided the content is NOT violent. Goofy, whimsical, and fun, fit glitch, violence or overly combative do not, and yes if combat was here it would attract the wrong type of players and ruin the atmosphere / mindset of most of the playerbase, and i don't want this game to go down the road so many other games have. It is different and for most of us that is why we are here. 
    Posted 87 days ago by Lyrical DejaVu Subscriber! | Permalink
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