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#### Stuff stolen from my house?

I haven't played in a few weeks, and I had been sharing a key with ***. I went to my house for the first time in a long time and all the stuff from my cabinet was gone, as was most of the other stuff I had on the floor in my home (but not all). So I wonder: was this a glitch (yay, puns!) or did that guy steal all my stuff? My key to his house was revoked as well.
I didn't think roommates could open the cabinets but perhaps I was wrong.
It's all just digital stuff, so I'm not sweating it too hard, but it is a little annoying and I'd like to know how it happened.

Posted 10 months ago by Clover | Permalink

### Replies

- A guest in your house can't open a cabinet, but a key holder can.
  Posted 10 months ago by Red Sauce | Permalink
- Rats! He even unfriended me so I can't message him. Looks like he may have stolen my stuff. Sad.
  Posted 10 months ago by Clover | Permalink
- You might want to redact the player's name. You are not supposed to call out other players in the forums
  Posted 10 months ago by MaryLiLamb | Permalink
- Consider it redacted! I didn't know that -- thanks!
  Posted 10 months ago by Clover | Permalink
- I know, I posted a warning yesterday. It sucks. This was a guest, fortunately.
  What a pity
  Posted 10 months ago by Jo Jo Ruffledspouse | Permalink
- For what it's worth, while it's not a rule I'd violate, it's not a rule I agree with either. It may occasionally protect innocent players from harassment, but it also prevents innocent players from knowing whom to look out for.
  So I 'll remember the name. I won't harass the player, but I will ask him politely about it should a convenient opportunity present itself. Perhaps the player does actually have a conscious.
  And while I think key sharing and allowing guests in your home is an at your own risk thing, it might be worth reporting anyway. For all we know, others have had issues with the player and this might be the straw needed to ban. And this might be the skeeziest theft I've heard of, earning trust then cutting out.
  Posted 10 months ago by Red Sauce | Permalink
- I'm in total agreement with Saucelah about reporting the player. If they show a pattern of this kind of behavior, staff has documentation that allows them to make a decision.
  What I'd strongly urge against is "asking him politely about it". Sometimes your 'polite' is my 'harassment'. I'm sure Saucelah is more tactful than most, but it is exactly this kind of pile on that the rule tries to prevent. When someone who is not party to the event decides without further investigation to apply "social pressure" to the purported "thief", you get the vigilante thinking that can lead to player-on-player retribution.
  Posted 10 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- WindBorn does have a point. I have, however, done it before and have still never been reported. It really is a matter or approach, asking questions rather than making accusations while not applying social pressure or assuming guilt. Sometimes, it turns out the person really didn't realize their behavior could be interpreted badly or would upset others. I think the person I learned this approach from has successfully reformed, or at least opened the eyes of, a few players.
  All interactions with other players may possibly be reported as harassment, if the person feels like it. Considering some of the things I've seen reported in League of Legends, sometimes by the very person causing the trouble, I'm sure they look at more than just the report.
  Posted 10 months ago by Red Sauce | Permalink
- Oh and PS, and this might surprise you WindBorn:
  I was recently commenting to some friends that despite that you and I have rarely agreed, I hadn't seen you in the forums in awhile and missed your posts because they are always rational and thought-through, even if they don't bring us to the same conclusions.
  Good to see you.
  Posted 10 months ago by Red Sauce | Permalink
- Sauceleh, you'll never get on Jerry Springer with that attitude.
  Posted 10 months ago by Sloppy Ketchup | Permalink
- Saucelah, even if an individual player is able to conduct a dialog without it seeming like social pressure or an accusation, suppose multiple players try to do that. How's a player going to feel the 10th time someone comes up to them and starts asking questions, even if those questions are asked with all possible tact and care?
  Reporting the player allows TS to know if there is a pattern of deception in gaining and betraying trust in order to obtain an advantage -- which would be a violation of the ToS. Before doing anything more, however, we need to keep in mind that we cannot know what actions other players may be taking and what net effects may result.
  WindBorn does indeed have a point.
  Posted 10 months ago by Splendora | Permalink
- That happens all the time in real life, so I think learning to cope with dozens or even hundreds of people asking about an action or belief you are rumored to have committed or supported is just a good life skill to have. I have no real sympathy for anyone that would be upset with that, and indeed, I am willing to answer questions about my position, in these forums or in game, to the next 3,000 people that choose to ask them.
  For the record, there are games without this "no calling out rule," and somehow, the games march on. Still, despite that I object to the rule, I do not violate it. Also important to me, in at least one thread, your post would have been deleted for naming both myself and Windborn, showing that the rule is inconsistent and arbitrary, and that's another thing I simply cannot support.
  And it's naive to think it isn't happening outside the forum -- meaning players with a lot of social connections or too much time on their hands have access to this information anyway. I feel the net effect is making newer or less social players more vulnerable, and I simply don't feel that's worth protecting someone from feeling "called out" -- there are block tools in place for avoiding people that ask questions you don't want to be asked, and there's the report tool for anyone you feel might be approaching you inappropriately.
  But I simply refuse to accept a world where I must never ask anyone about anything negative out of fear someone else has already asked the same question. Even a virtual world. Actually, especially a virtual world.
  Posted 10 months ago by Red Sauce | Permalink
- And ultimately, my point is to give the person a chance to tell their story, rather than just immediately blacklisting them and suggesting the group where I have a vote do the same. I see those as my only two options, and a polite conversation just seems more productive.
  I do it because maybe the person isn't simply described by that one action or that one mistake, or maybe there was a misunderstanding or a false accusation -- maybe the person is worth knowing. But I'm not going to trust them without doing my own researdch, anymore then I would let someone accused of robbing a friend's RL home come to our parties without asking about the issue.
  Posted 10 months ago by Red Sauce | Permalink
- This is the second one of these posts I've seen lately - and there was a reboot with known bugs where stuff went missing - is it possible these are bugs that need reporting rather than theft?
  Posted 10 months ago by snarkle | Permalink
- snarkle: That event was 2 days ago and things missing happened from a specific set of circumstances, I don't believe this is related. (We have restored for those who were online at that particular time and reported to us any problems.)
  Posted 10 months ago by kevbob | Permalink
- Items have already been returned? Mine hasn't shown up in my inventory, but the bug report said to be patient so I just assumed we were still waiting...
  Posted 10 months ago by Csophae | Permalink
- You did not open a bug report for us Csophae- please read the instructions in this top post:
  www.glitch.com/forum/bugs/1...
  thanks!
  Posted 10 months ago by kevbob | Permalink
- This is a public forum that can be viewed by anyone on the Internet. That makes it different from events that happen in the game, which can be observed only by the parties directly present at the same time and in the same space within the game. I do not think it is "calling out" to reference comments a poster has made in this forum by using that poster's name. Nor do I think it is "calling out" to use a poster's name to indicate that comments are intended as a response to something specific that poster has previously written within this public forum. Thus I do not see allowing such references as inconsistent with the "no calling out" policy that TS has adopted. TS does expect those who post in the forum to be civil and honest, and will delete names from this forum when that policy is violated, as well as to enforce the "no calling out" policy.
  I am sure there are games with different policies that work just fine. TS has chosen to adopt policies for Glitch that give players very few ways to sanction other players for in-game behaviours. I see both positive and negative consequences flowing from this, but continue to be curious about how those consequences will play out in the long run. So far, the results have seemed pretty good.
  EDIT (to clarify):
  (1) I believe it's OK in this forum to use the name of another player to respond to or reference a comment that player made in this forum, provided that this is done in a civil and honest manner.
  (2) It's not OK to post the name of another player when describing something they did in the game that was wrong or undesirable. This violates the ToS.
  I see no inconsistency between (1) and (2). I support the ToS and believe it has produced good results for Glitch.
  Posted 10 months ago by Splendora | Permalink
- Awww, sounds like you've been robbed given that they unfriended and took away your key to prevent you from getting your stuff back. How much was it all worth roughly? Send me some mail in game. Maybe I can help replace some of your lost things. : )
  Also mail me the name of the fellow that had they key to your place. I like to stay wary of possible thieves.
  Posted 10 months ago by Melting Sky | Permalink
- edit
  Posted 10 months ago by EarthtoGrace | Permalink
- Splendora, actually that is definitely something that speaks to that part of our Community Guidelines with regards to calling someone out in the forums. So, we do interpret it that way from our standpoint. In this case, we had an accusation of stealing on another player. We do not want players bringing that attention to the forum at large, no matter what the accusation- that is for us to handle when they are reported to us through the existing method. With regard to our policies, we have tools in the game for reporting specific cases of abuse so that they are handled to protect the privacy of both people. We also give the ability to block someone who they do not feel comfortable around.
  If we didn't have this policy, someone who had a personal grudge against another player could make a false claim about them in these forums and leave it for the community to argue it out. That is not acceptable to us and it's not fair to anyone.
  We do want to stress to everyone though, if you give keys of your home to another player, you are giving the rights to enter your home when you are not there, so make sure you can trust that player.
  I'm not saying this to take anyone in this topic to task (edits have been made, etc.), but I do want to clarify our position.
  Posted 10 months ago by kevbob | Permalink
- I see those as my only two options,
  That's a fairly limited set of options: immediately blacklisting someone and also suggesting to others that they do the same.
  Some other options are:
  Suggesting to the original complainant that TS staff are the best people to investigate this.
  Not blacklisting the person.
  Not trying to get other people to blacklist the person.
  There are all kinds of options if you don't take it upon yourself to solve someone else's in-game problems with another player. It is not our job as players to do so. It is the job of TS staff.
  Perhaps the best thing to do is to fill in the inventory gaps created by someone else's bad behavior and help re-create the broken trust bonds. But to see your only options as meting out consequences and urging others to do the same is to overstep your role as a peer player.
  Posted 10 months ago by WindBorn | Permalink
- kevbob, I was speaking strictly about referencing or responding to a *forum comment* by using the name of the poster as you did with me above and as I have done with you here. If you read my earliest comment and the comment by another poster that follows it, I hope you will see what point I was trying to make.
  I am in complete agreement with you regarding such things as making accusations of theft in forum posts. I hope you will read my comments again.
  Posted 10 months ago by Splendora | Permalink