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This Game = Not For Kids

Took me awhile to think about it, but this game seems geared more towards adults who are kids at heart. Let's add up the factors:

- All the sexual Double Entendre's
- Booze
- Drugs
- No swear filter

It's why I love it (though we could use more drugs in game with various visual/audio effects). But let's face it, if a parent places their 9 year old on game they'll have a heart attack and if you don't believe me, then I got three words for you.

High Class Hoe.

Posted 51 days ago by Fuga Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • Neopets was heavily moderated to comply with COPPA. Even if you lied about your age, there wouldn't be any objectionable content. As others have pointed out, even if you ignore all the inuendo Glitch global chat is generally not appropriate for kids. (Nor would I want it to be.)

    TS might be able to launch a children's version of the game on a separate server. It would need different plant/animal dialog, swear filters, and heavy moderation of chat channels but they need to get normal Glitch finished first.
    Posted 50 days ago by Lucille Ball Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah I'm not necessarily saying that it is appropriate for kids, but just that an age mention in the TOS doesn't mean there aren't kids here.
    Posted 50 days ago by sextopus Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Kids have lied about their age on the internet since there have been questions about the age of someone on the internet.
    Posted 50 days ago by Chyr Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I just don't want to be worrying about what I'm doing/saying and how it can be interpreted. Not only do I not want responsibility for kids who are sneaking in, but I also don't want to have some parent flipping out on me for whatever reason. Or even asking me to stop. I'm sorry, this is game is for people over age 14. If your child isn't, they shouldn't be here. If you are over 14 (and under 18) but your parents don't like you playing Glitch, then you shouldn't be here. It doesn't matter how good of a parent you are Holly (and you are, don't get me wrong!), the rules aren't there just for you. They're also there to protect me.
    Posted 50 days ago by Lady Cailia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Good thing kids are already not allowed since few want them here.... way to be proactive TS!
    Posted 50 days ago by Divine~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  •  Breaking the TOS rules so your child can play Glitch with you, rather than seeking out a game more suited to their age, that you can play with them, is just selfish. 

    I think thats worth repeating.  This aint for kids, sorry.
    Posted 50 days ago by ☣ elf ☣ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Puzzle Pirates went through this, and ended up having a whole separate "family friendly" server, but if you ask me, it's a huge amount of effort and probably not worth it.  There are a TON of games on the internet for kids.  This one isn't.
    Posted 50 days ago by Aliera Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What If you are 35 in a 13 year olds mind...seriously?
    Posted 50 days ago by tweetypie Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Then you wait a year, and sign up on your 14th birthday. If you have a 35 year old's mind, you should be mature enough to have a healthy respect for TOS rules.
    Posted 50 days ago by Aurora Dellaterra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I don't think that's what "seriously" means.
    Posted 50 days ago by Persephone Pear Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh for cripe's sakes, folks! All this sanctimonious "TOS is the rules, them's the rules, gotta follow the rules" dreck.

    I clicked past those TOS faster than a smuggler on no-no. Did not even KNOW there was an age limit until I'd been playing well over 3 months. The game LOOKS like a kid's game. Even the heavy perviness is relatively light-hearted and non-evil. I'd be MUCH more worried about my kids playing Call of Duty, Halo, or even Skylanders, for goodness sake. 

    (To be clear, my kids are not yet old enough to play by TOS, and I don't let them play, but mostly because we don't need more than one person in this household addicted to this game.)

    Grrr. Argh. Gonna go do something anti-social,

    --Me
    Posted 50 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Heheh, Glitch is different for sure. You'd think it was for a younger audience at first until you get in game and start reading. 
    Posted 50 days ago by Draron Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think sanctimonious is a bit far.
    Many of us are just happy that TS have TOS that say what they say, we want people to abide by them because of two main points.
    1, they protect us from being responsible for messing up a poor kid.
    2, they protect TS from being sued for us or them messing up a poor kid.

    hoorah to that. I doubt any single one of you would like to be the person who said something to make a kid cry and or get a kid metally messed up, go to their parents and complain and get TS and yourself in a whole heap of the brown smelly.

    Great example today from a snap: yeti centepede... seems innocent enough. Followed by comment: whole new way of rug munching. I would have googled all that as a kid.
    Posted 50 days ago by jiva Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 jiva
    Posted 49 days ago by Aurora Dellaterra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • A ToS, whatever game or service you use, is not just "rules" that you can ignore at whim. A ToS is a contract. Like, legally speaking, it's an actual contract. When you "violate the ToS", that's actually breach of contract. Most ToS's have a built-in handling of that by simply stopping service, but if you broke any other contract, you'd be in civil court. Glitch has the kindest, shortest, easiest to read but still legally clear and okay ToS of any game I have ever seen in my life. TS gets a lot of respect from me for that.

    Not to say I don't "click-through" some ToS's myself. I've read WoW's twice, but I've agreed to it every single patch. It's too long to read every single patch. And there are two of them (three with the separate RP realm one). I skip the EULA on Flash and Java because what am I gonna do? Not use the internet? On the other hand, for optional stuff like games, if I find out something I've been doing is against the terms, I stop doing it.
    Posted 49 days ago by Faranae Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Santimonious is a bit far, especially since I was calling some of my favorite Glitchen in Ur that word. Sorry, I was peeved last night for other reasons. Leaving the original post for context, but I apologize for it's content, and would take it back if it hadn't already been replied to.

    Don't think you can mess a kid up mentally by exposing them to the concept of rug munching. Actually, I think it's probably good for them to know more about that. But my kids get their first sex ed books @ age 6, and I've never refused to answer one of their questions, so I'm clearly not a Standard American {tm}.

    (To be clear, words on page <> coming over to the house and seeing all the video cameras of the To Catch A Predator Crew. I think we can all agree that the latter is never acceptable)

    --Me
    Posted 49 days ago by SchWM Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 SchWM for proactive sex ed!
    Posted 49 days ago by Aurora Dellaterra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 to Schwim for your original post - I think all that roolz iz roolz stuff is sanctimonious. I have never read more than a few lines of ToS in my life (so what you going to do if you don't agree with them?) In my opinion ToSs are there to protect the company. "If you use our service and are 'messed up' look it's there in our ToS we told you not to use our service and you clicked to say you'd read them!"

    It's not unusual to put a fake age in on the internet - on facebook my daughter is listed as a 105 year old married man. Anyone who looks at her page would agree she looks very well for her "age".

    The innuendo goes flying over the head of anyone who hasn't come across it, and if you have come across it (ooh missus! - yawn) you get it no matter whether you're 30 or 10. 
    Posted 49 days ago by Momo McGlitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok....theres a few different points to this. First the ToS does have the age requirement, and partially this is for the mature themed game content, partially to protect from suing and adult conversations, and also its a game aimed at adults, and its a way to block trolls. There are MANY games aimed at kids, they do not need to be in EVERY game. Also the children who have been found and reported do get their accounts deleted, the ToS is enforced here on some sites it is not. Children tend to be beggars, they are impatient and don't want to know or bother to learn how to make or find items, generally Glitchen don't mind helping but begging and demanding does not go over well, to say the least. This game takes patience, to learn everything, to make everything, etc. impatient ppl and instant-gratification seekers... kids included get frustrated and don't tend to stay by default, which actually helps the game base overall because those that stay here don't mind taking the time and steps to do things.  Also I have been playing games for years, often I'll try one for about a month, see if i like it, theres very few games that stay on my keep list, so i've seen a lot of different MMO and RPG communities. In those that allow children with no regulation, I've been harassed, stalked in-game, swore  at non stop with no context or point to it, hit on, sexual harrassing comments, and the like.  In any game that I've admitted to being adult or female its 100% worse. For the adult part it was essentially , adults aren't allowed to play games, why are you here, GTFO, etc. Female is sex harrassing comments constantly. And its not occasional its CONSTANT.Last point, those that do all of this, typically ARE 12 yr old trying to show they are big and bad, but regardless in those games that dont regulate kids you DO end up with an aggressive community, and thats the last thing we need here. Yes it does help that there is no combat here as well...ok...im done :D
    Posted 49 days ago by Lyrical DejaVu Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Lyrical DejaVu .. precisely
    Posted 49 days ago by Divine~ Subscriber! | Permalink
  • One of the best things about Glitch is you can admit you're a woman in a gaming community without being endlessly sexually harassed. (I think according to someone's forum post, which is of course not a perfectly accurate representation, there are a lot of women here).  Great points Lyrical DejaVu.
    This "kids shouldn't be playing this game" convo usually drives me crazy because it comes off a little snooty, especially since I am only a college kid and don't feel like a grown up yet at all.
    But the point that glitch is pretty troll and harassment free is very important and shows that for a lot of combined reasons a more mature group of people is playing this game.  
    Posted 49 days ago by Horakely Subscriber! | Permalink
  • What Lyrical DejaVu and Horakely said.

    I got invited to join WOW, but decided not to after my friend explained I had to pretend to be a male player. Female avatars were fine, if played by males, but female players in WOW are just fair game for constant harassment. I really appreciate that it's not like that in Glitch.
    Posted 49 days ago by Vocable Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Vocable, not sure where you get this from....

    I have played WoW since alpha and I have NEVER pretended to be a guy. I have only encountered one perv, once... I called him out publicly and he disappeared never to be heard from again.  Not once have I been harassed.  How odd anyone would tell you that. I have been on RP, Normal, and PvP servers, I have been horde and alliance......always admitting I was female. The funniest thing is "girls? there are no girls on the internets!", but there are tons of women that play and its a known fact. Infact, 3 of the devs over certain classes are women.

    Anyway, you dont have to hide who you are out of fear. Its a game, no matter if its here, or there.  This harassment does not really exist. Harassment only ever hits those that have giant chips on their shoulders, and usually its over the chip, not the issue they think might exist ;)
    Posted 49 days ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hey Innie, I bet you know a lot more about WOW than I do, since I never played it and was just repeating advice I got from one (1) male player I had "met" playing Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean. 

    As for harassment (I think the TOS calls it "trying to piss other people off"), I don't think that is OK even if the motivation is to protest an alleged chip on somebody else's virtual shoulder. I have seen TS make a lot of changes to code to stop people from harassing other players by, for example, poisoning home street trees, snatching up herbs someone had been waiting to harvest, and killing every single wood tree in Ur. 
    Posted 49 days ago by Vocable Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm not sure about that, Innie. I've frequently experienced a very "Tits or GTFO" type of harassment in public-input online venues, be they games or forums (I've never played WOW, so I can't comment on that particular arena). Lots of "hurr durr, what's your number baby" comments once it's discovered that I'm a woman, and then lots of "why can't you take a joke/compliment" when I say that that makes me uncomfortable. I think it's pretty problematic to say that that harassment does not exist, when it absolutely does. Just be thankful that it hasn't happened to you, because it's a very uncomfortable experience.
    Posted 49 days ago by Aurora Dellaterra Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Innie: I would like to direct you to fatuglyorslutty.com/ It includes examples of harassment in WoW, as well as many other game venues (XBox Live is probably the top source). I have witnessed and been the subject of such harassment in many Western games, though I have not experienced it in any Korean MMOs. My Xbox360 is not connected to Live and never will be. This anti-queer and anti-woman culture is not just in MMOs, nor exclusive to the "anonymous" realm of the internet. A female game journalist recently wrote an extensive article on her experience trying to get into the fight night scene (for those who don't know, that's in-person fighting game tournaments and casual play at stores etc). thephoenix.com/Boston/recro... There's Miranda Pakozdi who was tormented by her own team leader: www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/...; Then there are the women trying to effect change in the culture, who have to fear for their lives: www.theglobeandmail.com/new...

    I'm very, very grateful that Glitch is a place where people of all colors, orientations, and anatomies can be who they are openly and without fear.
    Posted 49 days ago by Faranae Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Its possible you were very lucky Innie. I played WoW for several years and was harassed many times, the worst of which was from "friends" I had in a raiding guild when they heard me talk in vent for the first time. To be fair many of the guys told me to outright tell them if I ever felt their jokes were out of line and they would stop, but there were a few that always went too far and they were generally the younger ones.

    I love that this game is aimed at adults. I am guilty of sometimes letting my 4 year old sit on my lap and play with me while I'm doing things in my house, playing the ticket games, or reading The Greedy Street Spirit (she loves that story better than any of her books right now, great job on that TS), I wouldn't let her play in anyway that brings her in contact with another player or out into the world and I close general and any other chat I have open while she is sitting with me. I can't imagine letting her have an account of her own before the ToS allows it because honestly, no matter how well you -think- you know your kid, there are many things you don't know. When I was 10-13 my mother probably thought she knew everything there was to know about me but she really didn't, and had no idea what I did when she wasn't around. My brother and I were good kids, no drinking, drugs, or general breaking of the rules, but even good kids can be assholes on the internet.
    Posted 49 days ago by Terribelle Subscriber! | Permalink
  • As a creator of my own site, I fully understand the purpose of TOS, I agree people do not really look at them, who really does. But if someone broke my rules then I would crack down on them. Due to Coppa law I would have to make certain rules that people have to abide by and that's the same here. Usually theres a form for parents to fill in and send back if they want there kids under a certain age so it protects both parties, in this case there is not so people under 14 should not even be here.
    Posted 49 days ago by Santa Clause Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's simple, due to the legal environment of this country, if you're under 14 then you GTFO, and if you violate the TOS and allow someone under 14 to use your account you get the ax as well. There are NO exceptions to this. I am eminently glad this is the case both because I don't like kids and don't want to be around them (speaking in general, there are some exceptions as some of my friends do have awesome kids) and because I'd just as soon TS not get sued because little Timmy repeated some trollish comment they saw in global.
    Posted 49 days ago by Fauxfire π Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I agree with Fauxfire.  If there are rules, which is what the ToS are, then they should apply to everyone.  There are always people who feel that they can flaunt the ToS cause they think they're special.  I'm curious; do  the devs let their children under the age of 14 play?
    Posted 49 days ago by Cat A. Tonic Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eglesgown Wanks. That is all.
    Posted 49 days ago by Agnes Snatchflannel Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Sextopus - Ugh, I did that too. The weird thing is, they only put on the age restriction for it after months of me being able to do it. I have no idea why they wouldn't allow it.
    Posted 49 days ago by Avnas Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Whilst I accept the TOS and that "them's the rules" or whatever, I can't help wishing TS would provide a version of the game kids could play (and it's not the innuendo that bothers me, more the global chat and player-player - wouldn't want my kids annoying people), although I know it will never happen...

    I know others have said how there are loads of games on the internet for kids but I'd love to know where the decent (comparable to glitch) ones are because I haven't seen any yet. The ones my son plays are consistently awful IMHO. Moshi monsters / club penguin - seem to exist solely to maximise subscription revenue and push products from 'sponsors' on kids. Kizi - even with ad servers blocked my son has to watch an adult-aimed 30s ad before each game and the games are poor quality with little value I can see. Some on CBBC (we're in the uk) are fine but now he's 10 he's not interested. They shut down lego universe... I think glitch would actually be much less damaging and more educational than these games he plays, so where can I find a game like glitch for kids?
    Posted 49 days ago by geekybird Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I really don't know anything about kids' MMOs. I don't have kids, don't plan to have them, and kids games don't interest me, so generally all things "children" tend to get ignored and forgotten. The best I can do, geekybird, is direct you to this column on joystick.com: massively.joystiq.com/categ...
    Posted 48 days ago by Faranae Subscriber! | Permalink
  • -1 to changing the game for children

    As another non-parent, I am non-plussed each time a parent seems to expect applause and support for bringing the 7,000,000,001st person into the world.
    Posted 48 days ago by Janitch Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Why do we have to bring childfree politics into this? I used to support a lowered population until I learned some more about economics. Look at what's happening in Japan, Russia, and even China. But we don't need to insult any other group here. 
    Posted 48 days ago by Reirei Umezaki Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yeah, I like kids but I don't always want to deal with them, and I appreciate that they're not Glitch's target audience.  I agree that the lack of killing and deliberate pace of the game probably helps cause it puts off the most annoying kinds of kids, too.  I'm amazed at how laid-back and mature the community in this game is overall - the worst I've ever felt towards someone was mild annoyance, which is a huge change from other games I've played.
    (Though I'm a mean old hag who thinks young kids shouldn't be playing online games anyway.  There's plenty of time to sit still when you're old.  Go outside!)
    Posted 48 days ago by Tourmaline Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Geekybird, the Orisinal games are pretty good as a whole for kids (and adults):

    www.ferryhalim.com/orisinal/

    they're not MMO, but they are quite beautiful and a number of them are rather addicting. 

    I hope it's okay to post that here - I don't mean to diminish anything from Glitch or TS, but since kids can't play this I thought it'd be alright to point to some good games they can play.

    That said, as mom of 3 I can confirm Glitchybird's experience. There are lots of games out there for kids, but not many good ones. If people are willing to post links to high quality games for kids I'd really love that. At this point they do a lot of Nintendo stuff and the computer is mostly for school. 
    Posted 48 days ago by Adar Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I think we've come to the conclusion that the innuendos are aimed at the adults who haven't grown up ;)
    Posted 48 days ago by Wedwo Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I play this game for the simple fact that are there no kids here, 95 percent of those I meet or run into are over 18. So I dont have to worry about what I say or whether I will get in trouble for corrupting a minor.

    And on the rare occasion I do meet someone under 18, they are usually pretty polite. The game I played before this (cough smallworlds cough) got over run with kids when the game decided to cater to them and forget the adults. And they were rude to no end, to say the least.

    Love that this game focuses on the adults and I dont have to worry about it being over run by a bunch of kids.
    Posted 48 days ago by Serenity's Mommy Subscriber! | Permalink
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