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can we just settle this. family game or not?

i can't really find an official definition for what a family game is or not, but i mean, it's essentially the same as a 'family film' in regards to the use of language. so, while 'family game' doesn't have an objective definition (yet), 'family film' does. it's "a film genre that is designed to appeal to a variety of age groups and, thus, families." i think we all agree that the game appeals to many age groups. i suppose we could also agree that the game is PG-13 considering that a player must be 13 years or older to play (with parental consent). films typically are upgraded to PG-13 from PG when language is used sparingly (generally, less than 4 times) or the movie is especially violent. note that Glitch never uses language and is never violent, so the game really should be PG or even G. Certainly, it would be rated E for everyone with a disclaimer that they cannot control the content experienced online.  

ultimately though, the game has parallels with a family film that's rated PG-13. and as such, we shouldn't use language. 

thank you for your time.

(edit: ToS says 14 years or older, so I guess PG-14 would be more accurate.)

Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink

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  • @ Mr. Dawgg:

    Now who is taking words out of context?  You told me that I was using words to escalate what you were doing into a kind of government-style censorship.  I told you that I wasn't doing that, because you are not that important (i.e. not as important as a government).  As for the "you're not effecting change," I am sorry that you saw that as any change to anything ever.  My intention was to say you are not effecting any changes in TS's target audience or in the community's view of (within reason) cursing on in-game chats.  You could make changes to the latter if you gave good, solid reasons for why this should be, and you've admitted that the number one reason (for the children) is invalid.  You are now making an argument for "decency" and I asked you to clarify what you mean by decency.  I even clarified my view of decency to get the ball rolling, and said I would listen if you gave me a reason not involving children or family.

    I don't know about previous threads.  I didn't go and read every item you've ever posted.  Based on what I saw before I jumped into this thread with both feet, people answered your original question by saying that it is not a family game, and you kept saying that it is, in your opinion, a family game.  Then, stoot came on and said that Glitch is for adults, and swearing occasionally is okay, and you still kept insisting that Glitch appeals to kids and is a family game and we should all never use naughty words.  And at that point, people mocked, because at that point, people began to lose respect for you because you were not being open to discussion.  

    You were trying to hammer home your opinion and trying to get everyone to agree with you.  In fact, although you have pulled the family and kids out of the equation, you are still trying to get everyone to agree that no naughty words should be used ever in any area that could possibly be construed by you to be public, and that furthermore, no one should use any language that could potentially offend people by being perceived as offensive, no matter how inoffensive the individual word (such as "censor").

    I also want to clarify that I was personally offended by your incredibly condescending post asking me to alter my use of "censor" and "agenda."  My agenda in this all is to get you to acknowledge that you cannot ask people to censor themselves without a damn good reason, and to understand that if you want the community to agree with you and respect your views, you need to both provide a good reason to stop the mild cursing and listen to other people's views instead of bludgeoning them with your own.  (See, I admitted that I have an agenda!  It was easy!)
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Xev I hope the thread never gets to the point where it NEEDS to be closed. I don't really think any thread would ever get there. It doesn't make it hard on their servers or anything, so as long as what is said is kept fairly civil there's nothing that would force it to close. 

    I think the TS people are hands off enough that they'll just let us do our thing until they HAVE to step in. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Liza Throttlebottom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Xev, 

    I think people are curious to see if I'll keep replying. The thing is, I'm just bored playing PS3 and I look over here to see if anyone has replied then I reply to them. So I will reply as long as people reply to me.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Holy foo, we've gone to plaid.
    Posted 15 months ago by Jennyanydots Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oooh. Sorry to derail you yet again Mr. Dawgg. If this becomes a drawn out thing I'll do the polite thing and move it but... I really must ask you to elaborate Jenny. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Liza Throttlebottom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @DaveJohn: I totally agree, and that's been demonstrated fairly consistently. 

    @Mr. D: Oh, I know they are. I guess what's baffling to me is how it could even be a question. You're never going to stop replying to this thread as long as ANYONE is still posting in it with debatable points. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Xev Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @Xev Exactly. :) I'm content to offer my input when necessary, no matter what stage of the thread we're in whether it's valid points or orchestra troubles, and watch when it is not. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Liza Throttlebottom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok definitely TL;DR, but I just read through some of stoots comments and thought I might have something to contribute.  Until I had heard it from other people, I never noticed anything dirty about massaging then milking the butterflies.  There are a lot of other things I miss in everyday life, and it's not cause I'm blonde!

    The negative association that comes with bad language and innuendos etc is really in the mind of the person who is being offended, because words themselves are just symbols and sounds.  They only hold meaning when we put meaning to it.  If someone cursed at me in Italian I probably wouldn't recognize it was a bad word.  People who let themselves get worked up about bad language, etc, should take a little time to stop, breath, and realize in the big scheme of things getting worked up over bad language is only hurting yourself.  You can't control what other people do or say, but you can control how you respond to it.

    ETA: YoYo, is it necessary to call someone out for having a learning disability?  Just seems a little harsh and inappropriate 
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Ok, at this point I am OUT. Dawggy, your revisionist history may fly on other media, but the proof is in THIS SAME THREAD! You admitted that you had no interest in whether or not Glitch was for kids. you admitted it in your response to me on page 3. You admitted that it was a means to your end, which is to force people to adhere to YOUR PERSONAL STANDARDS. And, no, I'm not going to go back & copy & paste it for you, Do your own homework.
    Speaking of history, I just remembered something you posted earlier about having learning disabilities. Is it possible that your learning disabilites affect your ability to reason? Or to appropriately understand a person's perspective? Or to remember conversations accurately? Is it at all possible that this may be coming into play? If so, then there's nothing anyone can do to change that, and I hope you are able to otherwise function well both in Glitch and IRL. If not, and you continue to chide people in-game for their choice of language, then be prepared for more than a few of them to say, "leave me the fuck alone."
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *applause* Well said, Laurali!
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Jenny is referring to the classic Mel Brooks's Spaceballs.
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza,

    "Then, stoot came on and said that Glitch is for adults, and swearing occasionally is okay, and you still kept insisting that Glitch appeals to kids and is a family game and we should all never use naughty words. "

    "For Adults' can still mean for "Young Adults'. Or Adult-minded people. Which, come to find out, is kinda what he meant. Stewart said, "There's not a better way to say [who we're targeting] than people with above average intelligence and sophisticated tastes"
    Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10449721-52.html#ixzz1YwCAXp1D

    Also, considering that the game allows 14+ to play, it's not that far fetched of an interpretation. Never mind that if you look at Glitch... it looks like a kid's game.

    And for the last time... I never said the game was for kids. Kids Game is not the same as a Family Game. I've said that at least 10 times, at least.

    I also, in the very first few posts, said that I felt some words were ok, like ass. So I have not been black-and-white anti all foul language Ok? 

    http://beta.glitch.com/forum/general/7523/#reply-79036

    "You were trying to hammer home your opinion and trying to get everyone to agree with you.  In fact, although you have pulled the family and kids out of the equation, you are still trying to get everyone to agree that no naughty words should be used ever in any area that could possibly be construed by you to be public, and that furthermore, no one should use any language that could potentially offend people by being perceived as offensive, no matter how inoffensive the individual word (such as "censor")."

    No. See above.

    "I also want to clarify that I was personally offended by your incredibly condescending post asking me to alter my use of "censor" and "agenda." "

    I wasn't asking you to alter it. You have been clearly against me in a very go for the throat fashion. I apologize already for frustrating you. I am not trying to frustrate you. You said you don't like how I communicate. You said you don't agree with me. What else do you want from me? Do you want me to agree with you? Isn't that why you didn't like me in the first place?

    My whole point about those two words was that your use of language was intentionally used to villainize me. I took offense to that. As a person of words, can you at least agree that there might have been some reason for me to believe you were trying to put a certain angle on what this thread is about? 

    "My agenda in this all is to get you to acknowledge that you cannot ask people to censor themselves without a damn good reason,"

    I felt I provided a good reason. It was using parallels with movie ratings, and in hindsight that probably wasn't the best angle. But it was a reason nevertheless. I felt it a decent one.  But you make it seem as if I popped on here and made demands. I didn't. 

    I gave decent reasons. I concluded that we 'shouldn't' use language. I didn't say we can't, or that we never can again, or anything like that. I didn't say, because I don't like language, we shouldn't use it. Sure, I don't like language, and I don't want it used. But I did provide a reason that had nothing to do with my opinions. Cool?

    Thank you. 
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg,

    Here's my analogy:   Glitch is a huge party going on in a mansion.  Young kids aren't allowed at the party at all, and teens can join only with parental consent and monitoring.  There's dozens of rooms at the party, and all sorts of different stuff is going on in them.  The stuff going on in most of the rooms is actually pretty tame and quiet, but a few of them get rather raucous at times.  The biggest room at the party is called general chat.  It's the loudest and most raucous room there.  It gets a bit blue at times (although actually not all that often), and occasionally someone wanders in who doesn't like the language and attitude of some of the party-goers there.  So they wander out and find a room that's more to their taste.  There's so much different stuff going on in so many different rooms that anyone, no matter what their personal tastes, can have a hard time choosing which room is the most fun to hang out in.  

    Then Mr. Dawgg wanders into general chat at the party and asks everyone to refrain from swearing there because it offends some people.  He's right that it does offend some people, but they've moved to other rooms where they're having a great time.  The people in general chat say, "Hey, wait a minute, we like it the way it is and the people who don't like it have lots of other great places here to hang out.  We don't say naughty stuff in church.  We don't say naughty stuff at work.  We don't very often say naughty stuff in other public places.  But we think it's okay to be a little naughty here, and you, Mr. Dawgg, seem to be the only one who disagrees.  So with all due respect, why do you find it necessary to impose your standards on this room when there are dozens of other rooms that won't offend you?"

    So, Mr. D, that's my analogy.  What do you think?  In truth I would have a lot more sympathy for your point of view if some of the other posters agreed with you.  But I think I've read every post in this thread, and I don't recall a single one (I may be wrong!) taking your side.  I do know that you are not the only one who has ever been offended by something in general chat, but the others have voiced their displeasure and either moved on to one of the other rooms or decided that they could put up with the occasional bit they didn't like.  They have not shown up here to take your side in this thread.  I must say that I find it perplexing that, when your argument appears to be based on community standards, you refuse to acknowledge that the entire community disagrees with you.
    Posted 15 months ago by Hawkwell Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Official ESRB game ratings guide - http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp - The whole PG, PG13 thing is for movies, not games. Just like %2 Milk is a specific for milk, not race cars.
    Posted 15 months ago by Messy Monster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • +1 Hawkwell. :) Thank you for making a well thought out post that refrains from saying anything that could be construed as mean. I personally really like the analogy too, and I think Mr. Dawgg would be very well off taking your advice. :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Liza Throttlebottom Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I am not out to vilify you, or anyone.  I have a very "go for the throat" personality when it comes to arguing my point.  It is not personal, it's just my personality.  Hell, I go for my father's throat in family discussions that end in laughter and hugs.  Perhaps it was like that when I was a child and I learned from that environment, whatever.  I once had a professor who said that she loved having me in class because we could argue over a point and I would go for the throat and not be offended when she went for mine.  

    In short: I am not trying to vilify you, and I apologize if you feel that way, but I'm not changing my rhetoric style to spare your feelings.

    I concluded that we 'shouldn't' use language. I didn't say we can't, or that we never can again, or anything like that. I didn't say, because I don't like language, we shouldn't use it. Sure, I don't like language, and I don't want it used. But I did provide a reason that had nothing to do with my opinions.

    So we agree.  People can use all sorts of language, and you will either stop requesting that they suppress their language, or deal with it if they ignore your request for self-censorship, because no one is obligated to adhere to the conclusion that you unilaterally made that "we" as a community shouldn't use language because you don't like it.

    Cool?  Cool.
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • (Please ignore. Just saying what DaveJohn said better and faster than me.)
    Posted 15 months ago by Ximenez Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hawkwell: well said!
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza is my homeboy :3
    Posted 15 months ago by Messy Monster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Laurali,
    Well said.

    YoYo Mama,

    It was a means to an end. But it still is something I'm interested in. It being the discussion of family gamedome or not.

    As for the kids, I guess I missed what you were talking about. But, I never discussed kids. It wasn't 'for the children.' The use of the movie ratings was used because it's a way of showing, hey here's a model that says this age group shouldn't be exposed to language. That was all. The thing is, some people do care about the kids. Whether I do or not isn't really relevant.

    And for the last time, they're not my personal standards. Social norms. Etiquette. Where do you guys live where you can use crude language in public? I don't get that. I live in a society where when we leave our house we put on decent clothing and behave like human beings. Granted, I've been known to go to through the drive-through in my pajamas, but that's different, I guess. I don't know. I guess yes, they are my standards in that they are the standards of my culture. But, it's not like a just made them up on the fly. 

    Yeah, I have several learning disabilities. I'm not going to discuss them in this thread. But, sure, maybe. But, I don't let them define me at all. I never thought I was disabled or unable to do anything I strived to do. I've always been a very confident and outgoing person. We all have problems. Some of us are pulled down by them and some of us transcend them. I choose to be the latter.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Is Glitch Main Street, USA? Or is it Burning Man? Or is it everything?
    Posted 15 months ago by Lord Bacon-o Subscriber! | Permalink
  • So... I think we all learned here that 1 person's world view is not the same as thousands of other peoples' world view. Great talk, guys. Let us have freedom to do and say whatever we want!
    Posted 15 months ago by Messy Monster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Eliza,

    In another setting, we'd probably be good pals. But, yes, I believe that you weren't trying to vilify me. Learned a new word. Also, thank you for your apology. I wouldn't want you to change your rhetoric style. Normally I'm all for people attacking my idea. But I felt you were attacking me. But yeah, really cool. I'm glad we agree.

    Thanks for your posts.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Thank you for allowing me to stretch my debate muscle (I was in debate club... I also took the LSATs and people continually tell me I should be a lawyer despite my seriously not wanting that, so I understand if I came off as harsh).

    Seriously though, I don't think cursing that is offensive enough to a large enough group of people is really present within the in-game chats, and as we are all supposed to be adult or adult-minded people, it shouldn't be an issue.  

    I have also heard or had discussions involving non-child-appropriate language in public, it just isn't gratuitous.  I do have to say that sometimes, the most innocuous discussions of feminine hygiene products are enough to send parents into a rage (but damn it, if I'm in the aisle, it should be okay!), and the use of the word "condom" in a movie upsets my mother (but not the word "fuck"), and so standards of decency actually are really personal and fluid.

    So it's up to the individual to "leave the room," as Don Draper put it.  I'm glad we're cool now, Mr. Dawgg.
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Don Draper: You're my homeboy too.  :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Eliza Thornybur Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Yo Dawgg, I see you like trolling, so I got you a forum in your game so you can troll while you troll!

    ...I couldn't resist, I'll apologize. Someday.
    Posted 15 months ago by Lady Cailia Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hawkwell,

    Well said. I have actually acknowledged at least once that it is odd that the social norms of this sub culture of Glitch are such that language is considered ok in the most public chat. To me, that seems really odd. In fact, I would have thought more people would have been on my side in this matter.

    As you said, rarely is GC very bad. I totally agree with that. And when someone uses language, it's probably a slip-up. In those situations, I just call people on it like I would face to face. It's more or less like a 'gotcha.' Though, truly, I would prefer no language used, and for the most part it isn't. 

    Also, this isn't the entire community. In fact, I pray that it isn't. If everyone behaves like some of the people who have behaved in this thread. Wow. 

    But yeah, good analogy. But, I still am going to be the way that I am. TBH, I'm not going to be playing much til post GC anyways. So we'll see what happens.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That's great that you don't allow yourself to be defined by your disabilities. But in my experience (and, yes, I have professional experience as a case worker contracted with DCF) it is sometimes more frustrating when those who have certain shortcomings choose to ignore or downplay them. I, for example, have ADw/HD. If I were to deny that it causes me to act out in certain ways, then not only would I be in denial, but that would negatively affect those around me, Only by admitting the full extent of how I am affected by my disorder can I hope to counter its effects. 
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Depends on which part of the world you're from, and which cultural norms you're used to - people experience different things. If you can't get used to understanding other's cultures and practices, then the world will be a very lonely place. People worship different god(s) and use different types of words, and even decide on how using little to no clothing is alright in some countries. Open yourself to differences, and you'll be a free person who welcomes all people and practices. Close yourself off to only that of which you know, and hate the rest of the world for not being as close-minded, telling them how wicked they are for not doing things the same. C'mon, everyone loves everyone here, so let us all do as we please. Foul language is an amazing freedom to have, and if used in an artistic manner, it's even more awesome!
    Posted 15 months ago by Messy Monster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Don, may I please edit one line of your post?
    "People worship different or no god(s)..."
    Ordinarily I wouldn't be so nitpicky, especially of a post with such a beautiful sentiment, but I have a feeling that Dawgg's worldview doens't allow much room for atheists, agnostics, secularists, or freethinkers of any kind.

    Hi Hawkwell!
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • @YoYo Mama - Dude, I love your name, and I really love the musician! Anyways, nice eye - I'm atheist myself :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Messy Monster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • That's all good and well, Don, but I would bank on it that most people playing this game were raised in societies that include some type of etiquette. Part of the etiquette probably included something about crude language and how it's inappropriate in public. *Shrug*

    But cool, freedom art awesome. (I probably shouldn't discuss art though...)

    YoYo Mama,
    Thanks. 

    Eliza,
    It's too bad you missed some of my other threads! But yeah, cool. Maybe we'll run into one another in game.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh My Giants, I can't wait for the game to be open again!.. :)  All the best to each of you that have given your precious time to express so eloquently your hearts and minds regarding Mr. 'I don't have.. like kids' Dawgg's  ridiculous and nonsensical drivel.  I guess I'm just really tired of this thread now.. Not funny anymore, just endless iterations of his sad bullshit.  I guess TS has a use for Mr Dawgg or he wouldn't be staff.  It does scare me a little bit that his opinions are what they are and that he is apparently a "marketing" employee.  I can only hope that Mr. Dawgg's idea of what market should be marketed to does not hurt TS or the game because of his personal biases.

    [Edit 09.25.09 11:09 am PST]
    Jdawg  http://beta.glitch.com/profiles/PIF1SSTQT4T70/, I must apologize to you for confusing you by name with Mr. Dawgg http://beta.glitch.com/profiles/PHVQA2TE9O52F1F/.  I am sure you are a very fine person, if only by virtue of the fact that TS has deemed you to be talented and smart enough to be TS staff in the first place.  Mea maxima culpa :)
    Posted 15 months ago by Joni Mitchell Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Princess Fi,

    Thanks for your post. I'd apologize for your becoming bored by the thread, but I wasn't trying to entertain you in the first place. May I suggest the marching band thread, or one of the other threads that have been made to mock me? Also, to clarify, I am not on the TS staff. I haven't discussed how they're going to market the game specifically. I only said that we don't know how they will, and that it is (in my opinion based on the content in the game) a feasible possibility that they may market it as a family game. 

    edit
    Actually wow. Fi, I believe you were the one who created one of those threads a long time ago. I believe it ended up being locked. *searched* Yep!

    http://beta.glitch.com/forum/general/5085/
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • YoYo, may I please edit one line of your post?
    "Dawgg's worldview doens't allow much room for atheists, agnostics, secularists, or (delete other) freethinkers.
    The inclusion of "other" in the context of this sentence seems to imply that persons of traditional religious practice can not be free thinkers.  I'm a regular church attender and the treasurer of my local C of E parish, yet I believe I can think freely with the best of them.  Yes, I recognize this is unusual, but there it is, nonetheless.
    Posted 15 months ago by Hawkwell Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr. Dawgg....I really am interested in where you live if you can walk around town, to the grocery store, etc. and not hear any cuss words, on a regular basis.  Midwest is very vague.  It seems pretty Andy Griffith...do places like that still exist?

    I tell you what, your social norm is NOT the social norm where I live. There are also many norms where I live, too.  Different cultures, with lots of language diversity.  There is no 1 set of social norms in America...its a melting pot.

    Also, I still think that requesting people to quit using language to communicate is probably the most bizarre request I have ever read.  Until they create the telepathy skill, I kindof dont have a choice.  :P (that was in jest, btw)
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Hawkwell, I don't see where the inclusion of "other" freethinkers excludes those who belong to traditional or other theistic organizations. I think it simply allows for the inclusion of those who think freely and do not fit into one of the previously listed categories (like you). But if it makes you happy, we can change it. It's not a huge deal, and the point is still the same.
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • I'm from the Midwest and I hear cuss words all the time, although I live in a college town, that might be the case.  Although I do agree Midwest does have values that you don't find as much on the coasts!
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • "It seems pretty Andy Griffith...do places like that still exist?" - Don't forget about Mr. Rogers and Pee Wee Herman! /fictional-behaviors
    Posted 15 months ago by Messy Monster Subscriber! | Permalink
  • YoYo, no big deal, I agree.  I was mostly just having fun duplicating the style of your reply to Don.  Didn't mean to be taken too seriously.
    Posted 15 months ago by Hawkwell Subscriber! | Permalink
  • *facepalm* innie... that joke wasn't funny the first time ;p

    I live in a small town in Nebraska. 

    Hawkwell,

    While I'm not too keen on atheists, and I do feel that agnostics should make a stand, I am cool with those types of thinking. I have a good friend who is atheist and transgendered who also wishes he could turn himself into a statue. He's really weird, and I still think he's a good person. I have another friend who is an agnostic who is gay. He can be very abrasive, but we get along with him.

    Yes, I tend to have more traditional views, but I am accepting of others.

     
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh hey, Mr. Rogers had a very very foul mouth, and Pee Wee Herman likes to show his WeeWee...not sure they are worthy of the midwest. (Or so it seems)
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Mr Dawgg, I clicked on your link. I found it very enlightening. I had NO IDEA that in the midwest it is a societal norm and considered proper etiquette to call someone a jackoff. When the game reopens, I will greet everyone i see with the salutation, "dear jackoff!" I really hope I run into you in-game.
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • YoYo Mama,

    Guess what, I can bite. And WindBorn provoked me. Yes, ultimately, I was wrong to do what I did. Which I admitted in that thread. That's been resolved. And around here, it's not really a bad word like it is to some of you guys. It's a bit different in my circle. But, I have since refrained from using it except once in this thread when someone provoked me again.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Jackoff isn't a bad word!  It is kinda rude though
    Posted 15 months ago by Laurali Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's too bad about Paul Reuben. Last I heard he was working on a new movie. *looks* Yeah. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0837156/

    Laurali,
    I thought the same, but I guess to some people it is! And yes, I meant for it to be rude when I used it. But that's done. WindBorn hates me now. I don't mind. Maybe she'll change her mind one day.
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Oh wait, so if that offends me, will you stop saying it?
    Posted 15 months ago by Innie✿, Obviously Subscriber! | Permalink
  • It's...a...bit...different...in...your...circle...but you can't understand why other people have different...oh, I give up. I'm going to say this a different way, Dawgg: Please take a good, objective look at yourself & see if there's something else at play here.
    Between this and Hawkwell (I change it, I don't change it, what do I have to do to win with you? PLEASE JUST TELL ME HOW TO MAKE YOU HAPPY! ;p) I need to finish that bottle of wine sitting on my counter.
    Posted 15 months ago by YoYo Mama Subscriber! | Permalink
  • If what offends you?
    Posted 15 months ago by Mr. Dawgg Subscriber! | Permalink
  • Dawgg,

    Just for the record, in suggesting an edit to a line of YoYo's post I was neither agreeing nor disagreeing with what she was saying about you.  As I since posted, I was just enjoying imitating the style of an earlier post of hers.
    Posted 15 months ago by Hawkwell Subscriber! | Permalink
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